[ applause ] no one -- no one should work 40 hours a week and live in poverty. live below the poverty level. and we ought to pass the protect the right to organize, p.r.o. act supported by union workers. look, let me close with this -- [ applause ] you know, it's an overused phrase these days, but it's still accurate. put an inflection point -- we're at an inflection point in american history. it happens every several generations. we have a chance to seize the economic momentum in the first months of my administration not just to build back, but to build back better. and this time we're going to deal everyone in. everyone has been left out. and breathe new life into the middle class and new hope into those struggling to break into the middle class. we have a chance to make

investments that moody's, not a liberal think tank, wall street, moody's says my plan will increase the size of our economy by $4.5 trillion, moody's, $4.5 trillion over the next decade and create well over 16 million new, good-paying jobs. if we make these investments now, in 50 years people are going to look back -- not even that long, your children or grandchildren will look back and say this was the moment when america won the future, won the future. folks, said it 1,000 times, i mean it from the bottom of my heart. there's not a single thing america can't do when we do it together. never. we're the only country in the world that when we set our mind to something, that never, ever, ever failed. this is an opportunity for the wealthy to stay wealthy, the

poor to have a shot at the middle class, and the middle class able to breathe more easily. that's what this is about. but this time bringing everybody along, everybody. thank you, and god bless you, and may god protect our troops. thank you. [ applause ] thanks. >> good afternoon, everyone. i'm here in new york. that was president biden just wrapping up his speech in cleveland, ohio, talking about the impact of his administration's efforts to get the economy back on track after the pandemic. he also took the moment to call out republicans who touted the benefits of his rescue plan for their home districts after they actually voted against it in congress. the president also saying that he had to fix the pandemic before he could fix the economy. watch. >> from a year of darkness,

we're now emerging into the light. >> now the speech comes amid more evidence of an economic rebound. the government says that 406,000 americans filed first-time unemployment claims last week. the lowest number since the start of the pandemic. meantime, the u.s. intelligence community says today that it still does not know where, when, or how the coronavirus was initially transmitted, but that elements are split between animal-to-human transmission and an accident in a lab in wuhan. this as the president commits to release the entire report on the origins of the outbreak after the intelligence community finishes its review. >> will you pledge to release the report in full after 90 days? >> yes. unless there's something i'm unaware of. >> meanwhile, on capitol hill, it is still unclear when the senate will take its initial vote on a bill to create an independent bipartisan commission to investigate the

january 6th riot. the effort got a push today from the mother of fallen capitol police officer brian sicknick who spent today in the halls of congress urging republican senators to support it. >> usually i'm staying in the backgrounds, and i just couldn't stay quiet anymore. >> we have a very busy news hour to get to starting things off for us, jake sherman, founder of punchbowl news and an msnbc political contributor, and nbc news white house correspondent kelly o'donnell traveling with the president in cleveland, ohio. kelly, i'll begin with you. the president as we noted at the top of the program taking a dig at republicans who at one point voted against his relief plan but are still touting that success of the bill. tell us a little about that in his speech. >> reporter: good to be with you. the president certainly frustrated by that sort of not matching action with words in the political realm. and the president here at cuyahoga community college to

make good on a visit that was canceled because of the pandemic when he was candidate biden in 2020. and also here to talk about a multistage plan for the economy that deals with things like getting the country back open step by step with vaccinations, various steps that people have taken, and seeing how that is affecting the job economy and people going back to work. frustration, of course, when republicans voted against his plan to rescue the american rescue plan as the biden administration talks about it. but also they acknowledge some of the benefits that have been felt in their own home states and districts. the president is also saying there's more that needs to be done for the economy, and that will still be a hard sell for a lot of republicans. on the infrastructure piece, can they reach an agreement? there's some progress there to report. but also concern about how to pay for it. you heard the president talking about ways that he believes corporations and wealthier americans can contribute more to pay for some of the programs

that he thinks are necessary for investing in infrastructure and developing a broader approach to jobs in order to get the economy back working again. you heard the president talk about ideas like expanding education, including community college at no cost to those attending. and also talking about raising the federal minimum wage to $15 and strengthening unions. those are classic joe biden principles, and they're big in the democratic party. that's part of what he outlined today. and what the white house considers a major speech on the economy coming at a time when there are signs of this rebirth after covid or coming out of the worst phase of covid, but still a lot of work yet to be done. >> kelly, as we begin to look at the light at the end of the tunnel with the pandemic, the administration and others are starting to look at the origins of the pandemic. what do we know about what led the president to ask the intelligence community specifically to take another look at the origins of this outbreak or the coronavirus. where does it stand now, what

was that process like? why not the scientific community as opposed to the intelligence community? >> well, one of the difficulties has been the u.s. getting information in china where we know the illness originated. and the question is what info. can they get that can be credible and can help to explain the origins. and there are those two working theories that it went from animal-to-human transmission or that because wuhan has a virology laboratory that has done work and study on a range of coronaviruses, the whole category of coronaviruses, was there some sort of accident in a laboratory where some of the persons working there became ill in advance of the first known date of covid-19, as it was ultimately identified. what the president is saying and the intelligence community is directing them to do this report, and right now what he finds is that the intelligence community is split.

the majority think perhaps it is the animal to human, but another segment of the intelligence community says it is possible that it's a laboratory accident. but with either of those scenarios, they don't feel there's sufficient evidence yet. now that the worst of deaths and illnesses has receded, the president is giving more focus to this. there's been political pressure to do so. and some of the theories related to the lab leak were written off months earlier as some kind of conspiracy that was a part of something that was not based in -- based in fact. now the administration saying there is evidence to pursue. he wants to get answers and is committing to make whatever is found public based on what information the intelligence community provides to him with this additional report. >> jake, let's head to you on capitol hill. west virginia senator joe manchin put out a strongly worded statement on the january 6th commission aimed at his republican colleagues. he said in part, "there is no

excuse for any republican to vote against this commission since democrats have agreed to everything they asked for. mitch mcconnell has made this his political position, thinking it will help his 2022 elections. they do not believe the truth will set you free, so they continue to live in fear." pretty strong words. senator manchin said he would defend the filibuster. . he defend it for this you, you think? >> yes, he will. the only recall is to say he'll blow up the filibuster unless republicans give this up. he's not said that. as you note, he's doubled down and said he will protect the filibuster, the only reason why the january 6th commission is not passing because -- two reasons, republicans are not for it, and the filibuster is in place. so yes, a harshly phrased statement from joe manchin but with very little bite because republicans are going to vote en

masse today, you might have a couple of people who vote with the democrats, but republicans are going to vote en masse to sustain the filibuster basically, to not break the filibuster. and then that january 6th commission, at least as currently envisioned, that january 6th commission is no longer going to be operative. >> despite that, jake, gladys sicknick, mother of fallen u.s. capitol police officer brian sicknick, she's med with nine republican senators today. have you gotten any reporting from your sources and anyone else whether or not she's been able to change any minds on support for the january 6th commission? >> no changed minds it doesn't seem like. it's obviously an extraordinarily emotional visit to capitol hill for ms. sicknick. but quite frankly, republicans are pretty firm in their belief here. they believe that the -- the commission as envisioned now, the one that nancy pelosi put together with republican help on the house side, the one that 35 house republicans voted for, is not proper for the moment. there's all these criminal investigations and other

investigations that are going to take place. by the way, we are still going to see an investigation on capitol hill. no doubt about that. nancy pelosi's either going to create a special commission, or she's going to empower her existing committees to investigate that day, january 6th. i just don't imagine that we're going to get out of this congress without some sort of investigation. >> all right, jake sherman on capitol hill, kelly o'donnell traveling with the president. thanks to the both of you for starting us off this hour. and staying on the january 6 for a moment, here's what happened when reporters tried to ask senate republican leader mitch mcconnell about the commission bill this morning. >> are you working with members -- >> joining us now representative stacy plasket, a democrat who represents the u.s. virgin islands. she was also an impeachment manager during donald trump's second impeachment trial earlier this year. representative, thank you so much for your time. speaking of mitch mcconnell and making his position clear as we just played there, here's what he had to say about it just two

days ago. watch. >> what would an additional report be about? i think at the heart of this recommendation by the democrats is that they would like to continue to debate things that occurred in the past. they'd like to continue to litigate the former president into the future. we think the american people going forward and in the fall of '22 ought to focus on what this administration is doing to the country. >> so as senator manchin noted, democrats already accommodated republican fears of this sliding into 2022 by requiring a report before the end of this year. what's your reaction to mitch mcconnell invoking next year's election to avoid this investigation now? >> it's just further evidence that mitch mcconnell is solely concerned about power. he's not concerned about the truth, nor is he concerned about

protecting americans and protecting our democracy. part of this commission's charge was not just to litigate or investigate what happened but to come up with mechanisms and recommendations as to how we ensure that this does not happen again. how do we better protect the capitol, how do we better protect our democratic process in the same way that the september 11th commission was able to do. his being intransigent about this just shows that he is not about our democracy. he is about republicans gaining power, and he becoming the majority leader of the senate. >> congresswoman, i'm not sure hoe close are you following the 445 people who have been arrested and charged in connection with the january 6th riot, but there is an interesting dynamic here. federal judges are using donald trump's recent statements on the elections as justification for keeping some of the accused rioters still locked up when they want to be released on bail pending trials.

what do you make of this? do you still think that there is a potential and concerning threat? >> i think there's an ongoing threat. we see that so many of these groups continuing to operate with impunity right there and individuals right there on the floor of the u.s. capitol. when we have members of congress who will make anti-semitic, racist remarks on regular bases and the floors of congress. there is a continuing threat, and as it's been said by other members of congress in some instances, the threat is among us. and so we must continue to look -- listen, i have great respect for the speaker and her saying that we will have something done, means something will happen. and if that means a select committee, that's what we're going to do. these are the same republicans and the same leadership of the gop who have benghazi which

looked for years trailing after the secretary of state, hillary clinton, for quite a number of years. we were willing to make concessions and engage in a bipartisan effort to support and to defend our democracy while the gop is not. and unfortunately, it appears they're going to act this way not just about january 6th, not with regard to election, police reform, but it appears even with infrastructure and with jobs. this has become the party of no, and i don't see how we're going to get around that with either just going to on our own with reconciliation or removing the filibuster. >> and speaking of that threat, i want to read some data for you and bear with me for a moment because this comes as a new survey from prri has some disturbing findings about the prevalence of the qanon conspiracy theory generally among americans. 15% of americans and 23% of republicans agree with this

statement that the united states government, media and financial worlds in the u.s., are controlled by a group of satan worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex trafficking operation. 20% of americans and 28% of republicans agree with this statement -- there is a storm coming soon that will sweep away the elites in power and restore the rightful leaders. and 15% of americans and 28% of republicans agree with this statement -- because things have gotten so far off track, true american patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country. what do you think that says about the state of affairs in our country right now? >> well, it says what i have been saying and i said even better the impeachment trial, that we are in a cold civil war here in this country. and that's a war of idealogy and a war that's going to determine the direction of our country. it also shows that while words sticks and stones, while

divisiveness and lies may not break your bones, it may break our democracy if it's said often enough and with -- by individuals who are supposed to be our leaders and those in charge of us. so we have got to speak truth to these lies. we've got to expose them for lies. and at the same time, we need work on creating an equitable america here and ensuring as biden is doing that all americans get a shot at the american dream. >> all right. congresswoman, thank you so much for your time. i greatly appreciate your insights. the cease-fire in the middle east seems to be holding, at least for now. qatar helped broker the deal and is pledging $500 million in support for rebuilding gaza. next, qatar's foreign minister joins me to talk about his hopes for the cease-fire and how qatar can ensure the aid won't fall into the wrong hands. (vo) ideas exist inside you,

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breaking news this afternoon. the u.n. human rights council voted to investigate whether war crimes were committed during this month's israel-palestinian violence. the investigation will bring an unprecedented degree of scrutiny to the violence in the region. the u.n. says 242 palestinians were killed in strikes including 63 children. ten israeli citizens including two children were killed by rockets from gaza. the united states is not a member of the group that voted today but warned that the vote

threatens to imperil progress in the region. now the u.s. pledged upwards of $350 million in total aid for gazette during secretary of state blinken's diplomatic mission to the middle east. amid a slew of meetings in the gulf region, blinken made it clear that partner countries will be key to diplomacy between israelis and palestinians going forward. one of those countries is qatar which has pledged half a billion dollars to restore gaza's infrastructure. and it's historically one of the few nations to have an open dialogue with hamas in gaza. joining me now from doha is the qatar prime minister. mr. minister, thank you so much for your time. i know you've spoken to anthony blinken about qatar's regional diplomacy. as someone who helped brokr the cease-fire how are you going to make sure we're not back in this cycle of unless in another few

years? >> well, first of all, thank you for hosting me today. what we have seen in the cease-fire that's been brokered recently that egypt and qatar has worked closely with the u.s. on, that it's temporary, and it's not addressing the root cause of the issue which is the provocation that took place in jerusalem and ultimately the absence of the prospect of the peace process between the palestinians and the israelis. so right now we see there is a sense of urgency to make sure that we are safeguarding this deal by stopping the provocation, allowing the palestinian people muslim and christians to practice their worship without provocation, stop the eviction of the people who are living there, and address the issue that the damages that have been -- that happened in gaza because of the war and the bombing of israel

over there. so also making sure that the humanitarian assistance are delivered as soon as possible to the people who are in need over there. >> let me ask you about that for a moment. i know the state of qatar pledged $500 million to that effort and to rebuilding gaza. as you know and we all know, hamas is the authority in charge there. and there's concern among american officials and others that how do you make sure the money goes to aid the people in need, as you just said, and not used for weapons or any other violent means? >> well, first of all, ayman, i think we need to acknowledge that the palestinian people are not only hamas -- we cannot reduce the palestinian people who are living under occupation and -- concentrate in one group. there are 2.1 million people living in gaza who are in

desperate humanitarian need. there are people who are suffering and suffered from this war. there are a lot of children who has been killed in that war. in qatar, we have been performing our assistance for aid or for the reconstruction in the past ten years and a very tight process, making sure that the projects are delivered, and the humanitarian assistance is delivered. for example, the projects of the reconstruction, qatar has built over the last ten years 42,000 housing units, hospitals, roads, the hospital which is for rehabilitation. only in 2020 has done 70,000 medical services which, unfortunately, have been damaged by the bombing -- the recent bombing. the operator of the crescent who's doing a lot of humanitarian activities over there also being bombed in the recent attacks. now on the last three years,

qatar delivers its aid in a very clear process that is agreed between qatar, the united nations, the israelis are agreeing which is very clear because they are the only passage which was open, 50% of this aid has been going for buying fuel to provide electricity for the people. we have increased the power supply in gaza from two hours to 16 hours per day. and the other 50% goes to the poorest families in gaza for 150,000 from the poorest families over there in gaza, $100 u.s. per family. i don't think $100 per family who are in a difficult humanitarian need is a contribution to produce missiles or any weapons or supporting a group which doesn't -- which lived there because of the circumstances. and just trying to not -- taking

that there are 2.1 million people living under siege for more than ten years. >> can i ask you, mr. minister, about qatar's role in diplomacy here? as you know, qatar has a dialogue with hamas. it also plays very important roles with dialogues for the united states and afghanistan with the taliban. how do you walk that line where there are some who are criticizing qatar saying you're enabling conflict by continuing these relationships with these groups, but at the same time fostering the diplomacy, as you see it? how do you walk that line? how do you explain it? >> well, qatar has been a trusted mediator throughout the years. we have done different successful mediations in the region. our relation with the different parties is benefiting the stability and the security of our region. whether it's with hamas or with taliban, as a friend, as an ally for the united states, you need to have a friend to talk to with

adverits to your opponents. this is where qatar is serving as a platform. we have seen the benefit of qatar talking to different groups. we have helped in brokering the cease-fire, and there have been like a lot of cease-fire been broken in the last few years that qatar has been working actively on between hamas and the israelis. and u.s. and taliban, we have stopped the conflict between them, and we are carrying out right now the dialogue between taliban and the afghan government. so this is where qatar can play a role in providing the platform for the different adversities to talk to each other and try to solve -- resolve all these conflicts peacefully. >> all right. mr. minister, thank you so much. i appreciate you staying up late for us this afternoon. thank you. >> thank you. thank you very much. and authorities are

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welcome back, everyone. we have breaking details about the shooting at the santa clara valley transportation authority. the sheriff says the gunman fired 39 shots and appeared to target some of the victims. according to the reporting of the "associated press." now the suspect, the suspected shooter, seen here on security footage leaving his home was an employee at the rail yard. now the santa clara county sheriff says the man shot and killed nine people before killing himself when police officers moved in on him. this new information comes as managers and employers -- employees, excuse me, at the rail yard tried to process what actually happened. >> some of us get training on what to do when there's an

active shooter event. but not about the aftermath. and yesterday i was at the family assistance center, and i saw that aftermath. >> they talked about what they remembered about the nine colleagues who died. there is a vigil tonight at 6:00 p.m. to honor the fallen and the survivors who are grieving. joining me is msnbc anchor lindsay reiser live in san jose. you've been covering this since the tragic news emerged. what is the latest from san jose? >> reporter: hey, ayman. we have new information from the sheriff of santa clara county, lori smith. she tells our nbc bay area affiliate kntv that the shooter in this case had three semiautomatic handguns, originally we were told two. the number is now three. and that the shooter also had 11 magazines and each of those magazines could carry 12 rounds, and that is considered a

high-capacity magazine, and those are currently banned in the state of california. so some updates that we're learning about the shooter here. we know that when officers came here yesterday and ran toward danger, that shooter was still firing shots, went from building to building because the victims were found in two different buildings. he worked here. he knew where people were, where he could inflict the most damage. the sheriff's office is right next door. police is down the street. and so there was a very quick response. but, of course, so much damage and tragedy done in such a short amount of time. at the same time that that shots fired call was taking place here, about a ten-minute drive away at the shooter's home, neighbors were calling in reports of a fire. and right now the sheriff told savannah guthrie on "today" they're operating under the belief that maybe the shooter had detonated something inside the home to set it ablaze or maybe had someone else do it. but somehow had some method to set that fire. we know that back here at the scene of the vta facility,

bomb-sniffing dogs were launched. they made a hit on a locker that investigators believe was the shooter's, and it contained the precursors to bomb-making materials, detonator cords and the like. at the same time, we're learning more about what happened. we're learning more about the victims. they range in age from 29 to 63. many of them working for the v at that for 20 -- vta for 20, 30 years. they were part of a family. listen to evelyn tran describe what they're going through now. let's listen. >> we get up every morning safe in the belief that when we go to work that we would come home to our family and our loved ones. that did not happen for adolv, adrian, alex, jose, lars, michael, paul, tamdeep, and

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reports the grand jury is progressing and witnesses are getting ready to testify in the trump organization criminal probe. now the ex-daughter-in-law of the former president's longtime cfo, alan weisselberg, jennifer weisselberg had this to say about her involvement in the case. watch. >> have you been summoned to testify before a grand jury or told to prepare for such testimony? >> i anticipate being contacted, but not -- i have not as of yet. >> all right. joining me is former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official chuck rosenberg. great of to you back on the show. the manhattan district attorney added a former organized crime prosecutor, mark afa pomerantz, to its commission of the family business. as an observer what have does that say about the approach of prosecutors bringing in someone with that background? >> he has a wonderful reputation, well respected in

our field. i'm sure they're throwing lots of resources at this. whether they charge or who they charge, you're going to put together the best agents and forensic analysts you can find. in this case they brought in an outsider. that's a little bit unusual, but it's not unheard of. it makes sense to me. as i said, you want to get it right. >> i want to ask you about alan weis weisselberg. he's a different trump witness than what we're used to seeing in the past. he was never a spokesperson for the campaign. he was purely a numbers guy. how does that factor into the prosecution's strategy when you think of just how institutional he was to the institution? >> sure. great question. he's a little bit of a different witness than perhaps what the media is used to, but he's not very different from a prosecutor's perspective. i mean, often we rely on insiders. the trump organization we know is relatively small, at least in terms of personnel. mr. weisselberg, as i understand

it, has been there a very long time. he's the numbers guy. and so if you want to understand how an organization works and how its money moves and flows, he's the guy to talk to. and so at least from my perspective, he's a very typical, very ordinary witness,al be in a very high-profile investigation. >> when you look at the scope of challenges trump's facing, i want to just go over a few of them for you because the other legal challenges that he faces including the former president's onetime personal lawyer, rudy giuliani. they're urging a judge to dismiss a lawsuit against them filed by congressman benny thompson and ten other house democrats over the capitol riot. and trump's lawyer is basically arguing that trump has absolute immunity from civil lawsuits over his official actions while he was in office. how viable do you think that argument is going to be in a court? >> well, you know, that argument has been tried by mr. trump. if you recall, this may be an

obscure reference for some. gene carroll had sued him for comments on actions that he made and took, and he said in a press conference, he disparaged ms. carroll, made ugly comments about her. i think they were untoward and unfair. but claimed that he had absolute immunity because holding press conferences and answering questions from the press are part of his official duties. that was dismissed. look, each thing turns on its facts, ayman. i don't blame him for trying. that's what people in litigation do. they try. and that's why you have judges to make these is determinations. in the end i don't think it's going to succeeds. but your question also underscored another really important difference that i think your viewers probably understand but let me reiterate. some of the legal challenges that mr. trump faces are civil in nature. those tend to be about money. other challenges that he faces are criminal in nature, that tends to be about liberty. you know, the chances that he or someone else could go to jail. and so civil cases are

troublesome, there's things they have to address. but he's not going to jail in a civil lawsuit. in a criminal case, of course, the consequences and the stakes are very different. mr. trump has a whole bunch of fires raging on the legal front, civil and criminal. >> all right. chuck rosenberg. always appreciate your insights and analysis. thank you, chuck. still ahead, president biden orders a closer look at how the pandemic may have started including the possibility that it may have come from an accident at a chinese lab. if the chinese government isn't actually cooperating, how can the u.s. and other countries properly investigate it? we'll talk to a virus hunter about that challenge next. what's the #1 retinol brand used most by dermatologists? it's neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair® smooths the look of fine lines in 1-week, deep wrinkles in 4. so you can kiss wrinkles goodbye! neutrogena®

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here are the latest facts on the coronavirus pandemic at this hour. according to data compiled by johns hopkins university, the daily average of covid-19 cases are less than half of what they were at the start of the month. their data shows the u.s. reporting 23,000 new infections each day over the past week. that is down from more than 49,000 on may 1st. that is a 53% drop. and ohio has picked its first winners in the state's lottery. adults who got their first doses of a covid-19 vaccine were eligible to win $1 million and teenagers the opportunity to win

a full ride scholarship to any state university. president biden commented on it last hour, as well -- >> i hear that as last night's vaccine lottery, ohio has a new millionaire. [ laughter ] i tell you what, who would have thunk it? the mother of the scholarship winner joseph costello described how the lottery impacted the timing of when they got vaccinated. >> we had been planning on getting all our children vaccinated by the end of this month, but the contest initial entry date essentially accelerated our decision. and we got them vaccinated before that. also president biden said that he plans to release the full u.s. intelligence report on the origin of the covid-19 pandemic in wuhan, china, which he ordered due in about 90 days. this afternoon, the office of the director of national intelligence released a statement that elements of the

intelligence community are currently split between whether it started through contact with animals or by some laboratory accident. nbc news' janis mackey frayer toured the lab. >> reporter: there are evolving questions questions where they study some of the most dangerous pathogens on the planet. at first the lab leak or accident theory dismissed as fringe with most scientists saying that the virus wasn't engineered and most believe that this was naturally occurring, not a spillover from animals to humans. there's no evidence yet on how, where or when that happened. so now 16 months after we first learned of this outbreak in wuhan president biden is appealing to the intelligence community to come up with some answers. a lot of this lab leak theory is being revived because of reports

saying that three people working at the lab hospitalized with an infengs and contradicted what we were told when we visited last august saying that nobody at the lab had been sick or connected to the lab had been sick. today chinese officials were quick to respond to president biden's statement why the embassy in washington releasing a state criticizing thest for its fixation on what it calls lies and here in beijing they say that politics and science don't mix. >> a trap that china doesn't want to fall into is deliberate accusation as if they have a predetermined mind set that china created the virus or released the virus from the laboratory. so we are talking act two very different things. one is the scientific pursue of

the real origin of the virus. the other is one sided political accusation without solid scientific background. >> reporter: china is also urging a wider investigation into other labs and facilities around the world, in particular in the u.s. so now it is a matter of the theory fighting the fort dietrich theory. president biden given 90 days to the intelligence community for something to steer the investigation in a better direction but the's no indication that china is willing to allow investigators from the u.s., the w.h.o. or anywhere on the ground here to explore the avenues. ayman? >> all right. our thanks to janis mackey frayer in beijing. how does the u.s. investigate this? let's bring in a virus hunter,

dennis carol. it's great to have you back on the show. let's pick up on the point there from my colleague janice. this is an abrupt shift for the administration because they had support of the w.h.o.'s investigation but it seems now they have shifted. what do you think? >> i think the w.h.o. investigation didn't provide the answers we were hoping for. part had to do with the limited access they had. so the end result was that investigation ended up general rating more questions than offering any real answers. so as noted earlier 16 months into this pandemic, we still don't have the kind of evidence that tells us when and where and under what circumstances this

virus made the way to the human population so i think president biden is trying to take a step to bring clarity to that question. >> i wonder if the intelligence community is the best place for this investigation. can you have a meaningful investigation without full transparency and should they lead this and not scientific community members? >> if we're going to get the answer as to the origins of this virus we really need to be in china and examining the different options. again, the role, potential role of laboratory release or the natural spillover as part of wildlife trade. you can't do it by remote. you can't do it by looking at documents. you have to go into the field and you have to do the kind of

forensic analysis to make a determine nation. it is possible. but we need to have it on the ground at the sites where the investigation needs to take place. >> we are almost a year and a half out. maybe 14 months out since the first reported cases and the various shutdowns in this country. explain why is it so important to find the origins of the coronavirus? what would that do to the understanding of what happened and going forward? >> the covid-19 pandemic or the virus associated with that is not a one-off event. there is at some point in time another opportunity for one of these viruses to make the way into the human population. understanding how this virus moved from wildlife populations into humans is going to be critical towards our ability to be able to better prevent and prepare for the next pandemic

event. so understanding is the first step to being empowered to make sure this never happens again. >> the big question then becomes looking forward how likely is to happen again? >> what we do know is that there are significant numbers of viruses circulating in wildlife that have the potential to infect human populations. cause epidemics and pandemics. the spillover event into human is happening with greater frequency. largely because we live in a much more populous world and as that pressure and encroachment into wildlife areas that is really disrupted the equilibrium between viruses and the natural habitat and us. 21st century is very much a period of intensified increased frequency of the events so

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