and getting them where they want to be. faster. vmware. welcome change. thanks for watching the beat. the reid out with joy reid is up next. joy? >> thank you very much, ari. have a wonderful memorial day weekend and a long weekend so enjoy. >> you as well. thank you, joy. >> thank you very much. all right, good evening, everyone. we do begin the reid out tonight with the cowardice of senate republicans. as we speak they're planning to block the creation of a bipartisan commission to investigate the january 6th attack on our capitol and our democracy. and that vote could take place at any moment. for the first time in his legislative session republicans are set to deploy the legislative filibuster, the jim crow era rule that allows the minority party to obstruct the

rule of the majority, requiring 60 votes rather than 51. republicans have no interest in getting to the bottom of the siege that nearly decapitated our government even as the number of people charged in that attack now approaches 500. as president biden suggested earlier today the republican opposition has no credible explanation. >> i can't imagine anyone voting against the establishment of a commission on the greatest assault since the civil war on the capitol. >> i should note that republicans are willing to block this commission despite the sacrifices of the three officers who died after defending them that day. brian sicknick who lay in state with honor in that very capitol as well as two others who took their own lives after the maga insurrection. in fact republicans heard from sicknick's mom and his long time partner who personally lobbied them to vote yes.

>> this is why i'm here today. usually i stay in the background, and i couldn't stay quiet anymore. >> i think it's very disturbing that anyone would not want to support this. i mean why would they not want to get to the bottom of such horrific violence? it doesn't matter that brian's cause of death was natural. he still died defending them that day. and officer levinegood and officer smith, they died as a result of the trauma that day. >> republicans won't just be ignoring the trauma of those officers, their vote against the commission will also be an affront to the staffers including in their own offices who lived through the violence of that day. as roll call reports some congressional employees are shaken by what they see as whitewashing of the attack by republican lawmakers. one even said when i see those members in the hallway or in the basement i think to myself that they wouldn't care if i was

dead. this comes as a new quinnipiac poll today found a majority of americans, 55% say that the events on january 6th were an attack on democracy that should never be forgotten. that seems to be a pretty obvious reason to support a commission. however, 39% say it's time to move on and that clearly is what republicans like mitch mcconnell wanted to do. mcconnell admitted he doesn't want to be talking about the insurrection by the time the mid-terms roll around next year. and here's what he said about those who support the commission on tuesday. >> they would like to continue to debate things that occurred in the past. they'd like to continue to litigate the former president into the future. we think the american people going forward and in the fall of '22 ought to focus on what this administration is doing to the country. >> according to politico mcconnell was even more blunt in a closed door meeting where he

warned republicans approving the commission could hurt the mid-term message. in other words, mitch mcconnell knows the results of a bipartisan commission would make trump and the republicans like himself look bad. and given the 35 republicans in the house passed the bill over the objections of kevin and other members of the gop leadership last week, mitch is desperate to keep his caucus in line. in fact, cnn reported mcconnell has even made the unusual move of asking wavering senators to support filibustering the bill as a personal favor to him. perhaps most disingenuous, however, was mcconnell's laughable assertion he doesn't want to focus on things, quote, in the past. even as the maga base of his party and the state party obsess over trying to overturn the long over presidential election in the united states. many rank and file republicans don't want to probe into the insurrection. that's because they're defending

and profiting off the big lie that inspired it. here's senator johnson just this morning. >> well, he certainly is president. >> so you don't think that biden legitimately won the election? >> i'm saying he's the legitimate president of united states. he's the president of the united states. >> well, that's the fundamental problem. >> i don't know what all happened. i don't know. >> would a commission help? >> not this commission, no. >> with me now is senator chris van hollen of maryland. we get the republican play book here. they want to move onto attacking the biden administration and pretending the biden administration are a bunch of communists. they wanted that messaging. but we're going to keep talking about this because this was an attack on our country. what i don't really get to be honest with you is where your fellow democrats are coming from. this is joe manchin criticizing republicans for opposing the

commission. this was just this morning. he said there's no excuse for any republican to vote against this commission since democrats are agreed to everything they asked for. mitch mccomhas made this his political position so they continue to live in fear. that sounded pretty good, and then he said this later today. >> would you be willing to break the filibuster in order to get this passed? >> you have to have faith there's ten good people. >> that seems laughable to me. the tae. to destroy our government happened january 6th. have you had a conversation with manchin and what is his deal? >> first, i have. when joe manchin said republicans were essentially engaging in a dereliction of duty for refusing to support this january 6th commission, he's right. and we should remember that because later this evening it

will if things don't change mean that all of those appeals that brian sicknick's mother made to republican senators today -- and by the way, also appeals made by some current capitol hill officers today directly to those senators will have fallen on deaf ears. so joe manchin's absolutely right about that. he and i disagree when it comes to the issue of the filibuster because i believe the filibuster needs to be gotten rid of. i do think right now it is standing in the way of protecting our democracy especially the importance of passing hr1 and s1. and we're going to have that continuing conversation in the democratic caucus, you know, and i hope we'll build momentum to ensure that we stop those state legislatures who are trying to put up those roadblocks to our democracy.

i will say for this evening he and i are on the same page on this issue. >> well, not really, though. because the thing is i guess what worries a lot of rank and file democrats and even non-democrats there are a lot of sort of old school versions of republicans were worried, too, that our democracy is on a razor edge. and rather than focus on saving our democracy what the extremists that now form the base of the republican party are doing, and what people like ron johnson are doing to our democracy, setting up to potentially steal future elections. people like joe manchin are talking about preserving artifacts of the senate -- is there enough urgency in your caucus to save our democracy from what republicans are trying to do with it? >> i think there is. we just had a senate democratic

caucus discussion this week devoted to exactly this issue. now, the first thing to do is to get all 50 democratic senators onboard. s1, the for the people act, in order to establish those nationwide minimum standards to protect the right to vote. that's step number one. step number two is to make sure that we have all 50 democratic senators recognizing that saving our democracy is more important than a senate rule that, frankly, is blocking democracy. and in fact in itself is an anti-democratic provision of the senate rules. and so this is a process. i agree with you about the urgency of the process because there are state legislatures, they're going forward. and i also completely agree what republicans are doing tonight in blocking this bipartisan commission is clear evidence of

their dereliction of duty and the fact they'll go to all lengths to prevent the truth from coming out. this is cynical ploy by mitch mcconnell as you said to take attention away from what donald trump, republicans and others have done. and they're violating their oath to the constitution. they're violating their obligations to brian sicknick's mother and to all the other officers, and they're betraying the country. so this should be a moment when all americans including all senators recognize thedes to which mitch mcconnell and republicans will go for political purposes. and we do need to summon the will to take that on. >> absolutely. i will not argue with a urd word of that. senator, thank you very much. have a great memorial weekend. jason johnson contributor for the greo and professor at morgan state university.

jason, my friend, senator chris van hollen is obviously very sincere in what he was saying and that they have to get democrats and all the 50 democrats onboard to make sure we defend our democracy. here's my challenge. if you can't get -- susan collins put out her little amendment, if you cannot get ten republicans even to agree you should investigate the attempt to hang mike pence, decapitate our government and threaten even their own staffers to the point where their own staffers are saying i'm not sure these people care if i live or die. if they won't be on the side of capitol police, there is no bipartisanship. isn't this a dead argument? >> it's a dead argument. and i want people to understand also, joy, the context here for joe manchin and what this really may be about because he said he can't take the heat and he count want to destroy the government. joe manchin's not getting re-elected.

okay, he's not. the guy got elected by 49% of the vote in 2018. he's not going to keep his job. he's going to get knocked out next time. so what we're dealing with here is someone who's primarily concerned with their own legacy and own reputation because the electoral consequences are moot. he's not going to get re-elected. the first thing the democrats might naed to do is convince him do the this for legacy sake because you're not going to win back in west virginia. i believed all along that joe manchin is roughly like the susan collins of the democratic party, that eventually he'll change his mind. and i still think he might do that when it comes to hb1, senate bill 1, the for the people act. but the idea he'll still spout this nonsense in the face of an attempt to murder him and everybody with a "d" in their name is disturbing to me. and i don't see the value, honestly, at this point in democrats treating him with kid gloves. personally if i were a senator

van holland, i would say, look if you aren't in favor of the commission you want me dead as much as republicans do. i don't understand the recaltrance on the part of one or two senators simply getting rid of the filibuster in this particular instance to do something, because i promise you and this is not because we want this to happen. ask any security expert, it's going to happen again. the people who did this will simply try again, and this commission's the only way to possibly prevent it. >> they'll try again, susan, and next time they might succeed because they're setting up in the states to make it only republicans decide who wins. senator mitt romney made a suggestion i think should be obvious. you're a political strategist. i think the perception is on the part of the public the january 6th commission is just trying to get to the truth of what

happened. i don't understand how mitch mcconnell and friends think that they're going to just get the silence of what every capitol police officer, every staffer inthey're going to need a lot of people to not talk about january 6th entered for his strategy to work and to move on saying biden's a commie which no one is going to believe. why does he think he can survive the ads in theory? >> it all comes back to the source. it comes back to donald trump. i think there was only so much he was going to go against him, and now he's falling in line with everyone else. just to follow up on what jason said, you know, joe manchin, if you can't get bipartisanship on protecting our democracy, you're not getting it for anything, and you should use this as the reason, and it will be -- make sense to everybody why we must get rid of the filibuster because there's literally no chance of anything else

happening. >> go on. >> there's also one other thing that's been on my mind lately is mitch mcconnell's out there, and he is moving his conference. he is speaking as if he was still majority leader. i am wondering where is chuck schumer's voice? where is the insistence, the urgency? i can ask you guys. i just don't understand for a man who wanted that position for so long why he's laying low. and i do believe it's just because the administration says, oh, let this play out. there's a reason. i'm not sure what it is, but he's got to get onboard and he's got to start using his voice. he's the majority leader of the united states senate, and we have heard boo. >> well, jason, there is a sense that manchin is also out of control and think he's the majority leader. manchin is exercising control as

if he's in charge of the senate. doesn't that have to stop? >> yeah, yeah. this flex he's going on here, it's not impressive. it's not making anybody happy. it's not him, not his drip, whatever. and quite frankly just on some eco level stuff if i were chuck schumer, why don't you act like you're the boss? the democrats have this conflict between what they think is supposed to be the way government works and what the people actually want. the the american people want an answer. if joe biden can go out and say, hey, look, there are a lot of republicans running on this recovery act they voted against i don't know why chuck schumer and elizabeth warren and all the leadership aren't running around the country saying the republican party wants you to die, and they want your whole government to be decapitated. that should be the answer out of

chuck schumer's mouth every single minute of every single day over susan collins saying i'm concerned the party that's been acting for the last 35 years continues to act that way. >> what we're hearing from even the president is we're going to work with them. really? because they literally were going to allow the government to be decapitated even if they themselves to be killed and mike pence to be hung. that's what y'all should be talking about. >> they don't want to work with him. >> they don't. and the message they want to pivot to is that biden is a communist and that all of his policies are communist. that's what he wants to do. anyway, jason and susan are staying with me. up next on the reid out marjory q. greene pushes back against puppet kevin because she knows she speaks for the base of the republican party and he does not. and as we near the 100th anniversary of the tulsa race massacre we're going to talk

about history and the importance of being honest about all of it, including the evil many on the right want to conseal. the reid out continues after this. conseal. the reid out continues after this i've got moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are getting clearer. ♪ ♪ i feel free to bare my skin yeah, that's all me. ♪ ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand nothing on my skin, ♪ ♪ that's my new plan. ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ achieve clearer skin with skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months.

of those, nearly 9 out of 10 sustained it through 1 year. and skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. ♪ i see nothing in a different way it's my moment ♪ ♪ so i just gotta say... ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms such as fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches, or coughs or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ now is the time to ask your dermatologist about skyrizi. tex-mex. tex-mex. ♪ termites. ♪ don't mess up your deck with tex-mex. terminix. here to help.

are the color cartridges in your printer ready for. another school year? (boy) what's cyan mean? it means "cyanora," honor roll. (mimics missile dropping) the ink! dad!!! dad!!! i'm so hosed. yeah, you are. (shaq) the epson ecotank printer. no more cartridges. it comes with an incredible amount of ink that can save you a lot of trips to the store. get ready for the dean's list. who's dean? the epson ecotank. just fill and chill. ♪welcome back to that same old place♪ ♪that you laughed about♪

♪well, the names have all changed♪ ♪since you hung around♪ welcome back, america. it sure is good to see you. look...if your wireless carrier was a guy, welcome back, america. you'd leave him tomorrow. not very flexible. not great at saving. you deserve better - xfinity mobile. now, they have unlimited for just $30 a month. $30 dollars. and they're number 1 in customer satisfaction. his number? delete it. deleting it. so break free from the big three. xfinity internet customers, take the savings challenge at xfinitymobile.com/mysavings or visit an xfinity store to learn how our switch squad makes it easy to switch and save hundreds.

it's unfortunate that he took this route, and he didn't even text me or call me, which is really a shame. and then sadly, you know, elise stephanic or new gop chair followed suit of course right along and i think steve scalise and others, and they shouldn't have done that. >> it doesn't look like the qanon barbie is getting sent to the principal's office and the trump haunted republican dream house anytime soon. and even if she was what would kevin even do? who like her mentor donald trump has a way of throwing gasoline on conspiracy theories while adding heaping piles of racism and islamaphobia and anti-semitism on top only to light them on fire with

apocalyptic nonsense which her base gobbles up like barbecue? just like trump puppet kevin and the gop can't seem to do anything about it, which explains their silence, which only emboldens her. but also because they created her. that is who marjorie taylor greene is made up the far right wing ideology we should have buried long ago. one axios poll showed that 23% of republicans, that's nearly 1 in 5 now believe -- okay, brace for this -- that the government, media and financial world in the u.s. are controlled by a group of satan worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex trafficking operation. that's right. almost a quarter of republicans are qanon cult believers. so maybe puppet kevin doesn't have a marge ae q. greene problem. he's got a whacked out

republican base problem. and that base let's face it will never see him as their leader. susan, you've worked for politicians. since when does the house minority leader have to call you, marge? she says he should have called me like she's his boss. we used to debate back when i was a seminormal republican party. we used to debate about tax policy. people will never believe that. look it up. it's all over youtube. now this is a poll by my friends at the public religion research institute. and do you agree with this statement. because things have gotten so far offtrack true american patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country. 28%, that's more than a quarter of republicans believe that. they're qanon supporters. they're in a completely crazy cult, susan. what happened to your party? >> well, what happened was

donald trump was the least of the problems. trumpism and what it represents is what has seeped into the republican party. at the state level especially. and that's who's putting up these candidates. it's the state parties who are going for these qanon and others, and they win primaries. but here as a strategist i'll give kevin my free advice, this is the perfect time for him in the conference to turn on her and turn on her hard because at least they can look like they're fighting something bad. and it doesn't have anything to do with donald trump. it's not matt gaetz and being trump's boy. this is marjorie taylor greene who's on her own island as far as i'm concerned, and they should push for a censure. i would be a smart move for them

because it would also help with their own fund-raising which they're getting killed on by corporate donors. they're losing mainstream corporate money. by getting rid of her -- you can't get rid of trump. i get that -- well, i don't but i get it -- by going on and turning on her, it does give a little bit of an out to say there is a point we will not cross. >> first of all, kevin doesn't have the range. he's not going to do it because at the end of the day, "a," the tea party wasn't any better. they were also doing all these loony things, hanging president obama in effigy. axios ipsos poll this week do you agree with this statement. among white americans 48% agree with that. the tea party had a very big base as you know, jason, in the freak out over a black president. marjorie taylor greene also has a bunch of racist stuff she believes, the qanon thing. the problem is you have a certain percentage of white

america that cannot accept it can lose elections, that black people can win elections. i don't see you how you fix that. it ain't about margey. >> you can't fix that. she's like a mixture of sarah palin and stacey fleck. the real issue is not what the republican party needs to do about her, honestly how democrats need to respond to her. it's the fact people need to stop tweeting her. people need to stop treating her as if she's competent. if she wants to run around with matt gaetz and hang out some of his friends after they're done with theeraly that's perfectly fine, but she doesn't need to get as much attention as she gets. and the second thing is get together and tell the sergeant at arms and say follow her every single place she goes in congress. because what you can't do when she's not spending time causing chaos at her local l.a. fitness,

she's running around and terrorizing people in congress. let her be one of 145 people who don't get anything in congress. but don't make her a superstar when she can't pass legislation, can't raise money -- >> i completely disagree you. he talks about republicans spent a majority of their money in the last election calling democrats extremists. most of their ads had the words aoc or the squad in them. they nailed democrats to these people who are actually really great young legislators who have a lot of important policy ideas. they're not nutsy coo coo like marjorie taylor greene. i say paste her on every single one of them. they're afraid of her. she is the boss. she is the party. i totally disagree. the base of the party are qanon. susan, your ball.

go for it. >> one thing with jason. she raised $3 million in the first quarter, an obscene amount of money. she can raise money i mean bar none. so that's what actually i think scares kevin mccarthy about her. but i agree. if i were the democrats i would make every republican marjorie taylor greene. >> everyone of them would have to own her and ron johnson -- i'm sorry to interrupt you. because they are more representative of the base of the republican party than kevin. if you showed a picture of kevin mccart a eto a 100 people on the street don't nobody know who he is. he is a nobody. and the bottom line is the party are qanon. they have gone full tilt, man. i don't know how you ignore that. if you're the democrats you need to say that every day. >> well and if i was -- jason, i think you would make a really good point if this was the same

society we were living in so i think that would be a great point not to give her the oxygen. i agree. that's why i suggested throwing her out, censuring her. because she's going to be way worse for republicans than the aoc was for democrats. >> every single republican right here and right now when you show mitch mcconnell's face, when you run against everybody you have a morph that turns from their face to donald trump to the insurrection. you don't need to create more bad guys. she's already a bad guy. but if you ask the average person who's not politically involved living outside the major cities they don't necessarily care about marnl r.a. taylor greenu but they know trump is evil, and they know who tried to overtake the

government. >> and she's carrying the cape. all of them are carrying the trump cape around putting -- the only reason they exist is because of him. they are the party. these people are the party, that's what i'm saying. anyway, we can debate that on twitter later. 100 years after the tulsa race massacre we are now debating whether or not to teach our children the true unvarnished history of the united states. should history studies be about learning from the past or just about making some people feel a little less racist? we'll be right back. little less racist we'll be right back.

during photosynthesis, plants convert solar energy into chemical energy, cleaning the oxygen we breathe. plants clean the air. when applied to stained textiles, plant-based surfactants like the ones in seventh generation detergent trap stains at the molecular level and flush them away. plant-based detergents clean your clothes. it's just science! just... science. seventh generation. powered by plants. tackles stains.

pain? yeah. here. aspercreme with max-strength* lidocaine. works fast and lasts. keep it. you're gonna need it. kick pain in the aspercreme this is the greatest idea you'll ever hear. okay, it's an app that compares hundreds of travel sites for hotels and cars and vacation rentals like kayak does for flights. so it's kayak.

yeah, like kayak. why don't you just call it kayak. i'm calling it... canoe. compare hundreds of travel sites for thousands of trips. kayak. search one and done. we in america are having this big debate right now about history, and fundamental to that debate is a question. what is history for? what is its purpose? the answer is that it depends. history as john meacham has said on this show can either be a bedtime story meant to buck up your patriotism and make you feel good, or it can be a lesson, a caution and an instruction on how to avoid the perils of the past and how to achieve repair. when it comes to the racial history of this country there's a real fight going on. lots of americans particularly on the right want the bedtime

story. they're insisting on it, and so they're in a knock down, drag out fight to shutdown intellectual pursuits like critical race theory which simply asks how our racial history intersects with the construction of our laws, or journalistic historical reck ngz like the 1619 project. too many people want to keep americans blindly numb to the raw, racial violence in our collective past. they want americans to just shut up and feel good about america's founding and sing from the hymnal so they don't even have to think about dealing with the repercussions of our true history and the need for repair. they want to keep comfortably living off the profits of what rightly calls piracy with no one ever asking to examine the contents of the loot box. but the past just won't die no matter how hard the daughters of the confederacy fight to rewrite slavery as happy blacks singing in the field in our textbooks

and how persistent the gauzy myths about the slave holding fathers remain. many americans needed the watchmen to teach them about the 1920 race massacre in oklahoma in which a white mob burned, shot and used military planes to fire bomb the greenwood district where black families had created a successful community decades after enslavement. an incredible visual that show how profound the loss was, the theater, the barbershops, the bakeries, stately homes and stores that were burned to the ground because white tulsans hated the fact that black people had built something of their own. they used the same lie that launched more than 4,000 lynchings in that era, accusing a black man of assaulting a white woman as an excuse to wage war on american town. if the massacre that wiped out the community nicknamed black wall street were just a one off, it would be tragic, but it wasn't a one off. tulsa was one of dozens of

similar atrocities across this country in the decades after the civil war and the collapse of reconstruction. in memphis, tennessee, in 1866 some black families burned to death in their homes because the racist mobs who attacked them wouldn't let them run outicide after setting them on fire. in new orleans that same year black freedman attempting a peaceful march were met by a mob of former confederate soldiers and dozens were killed. the spark for the wilmington north carolina race massacre in 1898 was a creation of a white, black fusion government which was violently cut down. the early decades of the 20th century were an era of pure racial mayhem as war was waged on the formerly enslaved and their children and grandchildren in the south and in northern cities where blacks were fleeing and seeking work and a decent life. four years before tulsa there was a series of race massacres in east st. louis, illinois, in july of 1917 in which more than 100 blacks were beaten, shot and

lynched by white mobs angry over labor competition. 1919 was a particularly hellish year with black, men, women and children mass murdered in chicago, illinois, washington, d.c., and elaine, arkansas, where black sharecroppers were massacred for daring to try to unionize. two years after tulsa in 1923 came the race massacre that wiped out rosewood, florida. and that's just some of the history. there are dozens more of these i can tell you about, and you've probably never heard of any them because america doesn't do history, we do bedtime stories. that's why we don't understand the way we are, the gun violence unique in the western world, the racial mistrust, the poverty that breaks down along racial lines. the persistence of violent white nationalism that today threatens our national security. these things have deep, ugly roots inextricably tied to slavery and its aftermath. and we'd be better off just

unearthing it and airing it out if we really want repair. and coming up next we'll talk about tulsa with my friend tiffany cross and a descendant of one of the greenwood families. of one of the greenwoo families to support local restaurants, we've been to every city. including little rock and even worcester. and tonight... i'll be eating the chicken quesadilla from...tony's tex mex...in... katy. (doorbell) (giggle) do ya think they bought it? oh yeah. ♪♪ it's velveeta shells & cheese do ya think they bought it? versus the other guys.

♪♪ clearly, velveeta melts creamier.

needles. essential for sewing, but maybe not for people with certain inflammatory conditions. because there are options. like an “unjection.” xeljanz. the first and only pill of its kind that treats moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis, or moderate to severe ulcerative colitis when other medicines have not helped enough. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections, like tb and do blood tests. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b or c, have flu-like symptoms, or are prone to infections. serious, sometimes fatal infections, cancers including lymphoma, and blood clots have happened. taking a higher than recommended dose of xeljanz for ra may increase risk of death. tears in the stomach or intestines and serious allergic reactions have happened. needles. fine for some. but for you,

there's a pill that may provide symptom relief. ask your doctor about the pill first prescribed for ra more than seven years ago. xeljanz. an “unjection.” is your family ready for an emergency? you can prepare by mapping out two ways to escape your home, creating a supply kit, and including your whole family in practice drills. for help creating an emergency plan, visit safetyactioncenter.pge.com a little preparation will make you and your family safer in an emergency. a week's worth of food and water, radio, flashlight,

batteries and first aid kit are a good start to learn more, visit safetyactioncenter.pge.com next week marks 100 years since the tulsa race massacre destroyed what was known as black wall street. last week the three remaining survivors of that massacre testified on capitol hill calling for justice. >> i was so scared, i didn't think we could make it out alive. >> because of the massacre my family was driven out of our home. we were left with nothing. we were -- >> we lost everything that day, our homes, our churches, our newspapers, our theaters, our lives. no one cared about us for almost

100 years. we and our history have been forgotten, washed away. this congress must recognize us. >> joining me now is tiffany cross, host of the cross connection right here on msnbc. christy williams, a tulsa massacre descendant, activist and chair of the greater tulsa african-american affairs commission. and scott elmsworth, author. thank you for being here. tiffany, i want to go to you first. this breaking news this evening. the department of homeland security has issued some warnings about safety and security that have caused the remember and rise event supposed to feature john legend and stacey abrams to be canceled. i want to get what we know about just for our audience i want to read this. in a memo the department of homeland security says they haven't seen any threats -- what

do we know about -- what prompted the commission to cancel? >> you know, there are a lot of things, joy. the commission is not a part of the community of greenwood. the descendants are not closely affiliated what's happening with the commission. the commission has a bunch of white conservative republicans which has raised $30 million and the commemoration continues with justice for greenwood. these are the defendants of greenwood, the keddants of greenwood. this is not, you know, a -- and

there was a lot of concern and even outside of the homeland security threat there was a lot of concern about how this mission was coming together. so people who had contributed money to this commission started asking questions, well, wait a second we didn't know. we thought this was going to benefit to people. no one wants this to be a disneyland park to commemorate what happened. as those companies started asking questions, as the people who were they invited to participate started asking questions, then the commission started wavering and now they say because of a homeland security threat it's canceled. i'll be here with members of the community talking to the actual descendants of what happened here in greenwood. >> and thank you for that

clarification. and we do have christy williams and you're a descendant of survivors as well. let me play this clip really quickly. >> descendants, what would our lives have been if we weren't robbed off our generational wealth? i often sit back and ponlder about that. i ponder about laurel strafered with her father having the nicest hotel as a black man in the world. he could have been a hilton. he could have been a marriott. and also bedingfield randall who testified before congress. she said i live much of my life poor. they raised more than $30 million as she mentioned and refused to share any with me or the survivors. is that accurate canceling this big event that's not going to impact the community and not so much about safety but more about i guess theft?

>> you know, tiffany cross, was right. the community is supporting the legacy fest. our only black city councilman is supporting the legacy fest. this community has been -- we haven't been connected with the centennial commission and its effort. we kind of never planned to be a part of those events in the first place. but our honoring our ancestors and legacy and history will continue with the black legacy fest. >> let me play another piece here. this is tiffany's interview with nia meyer frank who's a founder of the black wall street times on just the fact people don't even seem in tulsa to know about the massacre. take a listen. >> i had not learned about the massacre i will i was in college. >> why do you think you never learned about it? >> i think the reason we never learned about it is because why

would our enemies want -- why would our enemies want to teach the children of greatness, right? why would they want to teach them how great they could become once again? >> scott, it is a conundrum, right? you have this commission that is essentially white tulsa saying we're going to raise all this money and do some of our own commemoration that ends up being canceled and then seems to be disconnect because it doesn't seem white tulsans are addressing the history here. it's not even taught in the schools. people don't even know about it who live in the community. what do you make of what's going on? >> i think we're at a point now, a new inflection point to see what's going to happen. the real reason when he was speaking about why he didn't learn about it, the real reason was that the story of the race massacre and the story of

greenwood prior to race massacre was actively suppressed. official records were stolen and destroyed, articles cut out of newspapers. tulsa daily newspapers refused to write about it for more than a half century. people researching it had their lives and livelihoods threatened. so for 50 years it was buried and it's taken another 50 years to get this story out. >> yeah, and tiffany, i know you interviewed the 107-year-old viola fletcher, who just seemed so lovely and gave her testimony. she was like 7 years old when this happened. were you able to talk to any white descendants? because the thing is that the grandchildren and great grandchildren of the people who burned greenwood to the ground, presumably some of them are still around, some of them are still alive. they must know in their own families that they were a part of this. >> joy, that's the crazy part. i have to tell you seeing what

happened here on ground in tulsa -- so north tulsa is predominantly black. and the way the black tulsans here live is a stark contrast. there's so much investment that could happen there that doesn't. i've heard from a lot of black people i do want to hear from the white people. where do they stand on this? and unfortunately a lot of that evidence has been destroyed, and so the descendants of the people who did this are still in power. they still run the city of tulsa. so ostensibly the black residents here work, live, eat alongside the descendants of their murderers, the people who snatched their lives and livelihoods still control the pact to the ballot box, economic power, still controls political power. so it's really a testament to what black people survive, the trauma that we normalize and the fact people can be here and not randomly, you know, confront some of these people they know have a direct connection to the

devastation of their lives that still continues to impact their life today. so the short answer of it is, joy, no, i've not talked to the white keddants of the people who did this because no one wants to come forward. evidence has been destroyed. i did have an interesting interview with the mayor who's adamantly against reparations, a trump acolyte, but wants a big celebration. and i'll talk to the defendant of white people who enslaved people, and they weren't tulsans, but they will talk about confronting their own history. so i think white people can have an important role in this. >> and christy, you are a descendant. what do you make of that? the fact is you are living among people who did this to your community and they have all the power still. >> yes, they still have all the power. and even scott elseworth on this

panel tonight, and no offense but he's done some great research about the history of greenwood and has written many books. so you see a lot of white people who still profit from our pain and oppression. and i serve on the mass graves investigation committee with scott, they listen to him more than they listen to us. so it is still those white people who are in power, and it's important that we control our own history, we tell our own history, and that, you know, we have to make it clear that what we want for our community. and as we honor our ancestors, we have this greenwood rising history center coming up. but they never did engage with the community on what kind of history is in that museum. our museum has always been the dreamwood cultural center, and that has been taken from us. and the community feels really

slighted on this. and i'm also a creek descendant. my family had over 460 acres of land and we lost that when oklahoma became a state. and the first law was jim crow and they lorded white guardians over our property. so it's a double-edged sword for a descendant like me and for a lot of descendants in tulsa and these stories are just not being told. >> what are your thoughts on that, because that's just sort of real talk, but what do you have to say about that? >> well, i mean i know christy. christy is a member of the public oversight committee who actually directs my committee and the work our scientists are doing. so, you know, she speaks often at the meetings, always welcome to hear from her.

the idea that just because i'm somebody who's written about this that i have some larger sway, that's an issue for your group. but, look, i think there's a couple things here. first of all, there's no question whites in tulsa don't want to discuss this. that's been the case. i've been writing and researching about this for 45 years. that's the simple fact of the matter. the other issue here is that the tulsa race massacre is the part of american history. it is not just a black story, it's a white story as well. >> absolutely. >> and that's why it's a part of all of our pasts. >> absolutely. and just one many of these massacres in the country. tiffany, christy, thank you very much. and be sure to catch tiffany's special on saturday at 10:00 a.m. we'll be back after this. ial on saturday at 10:00 a.m. we'll be back after this nergy. great tasting ensure with 9 grams of protein, 27 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients to support immune health.

age before beauty? why not both? visibly diminish wrinkled skin in... crepe corrector lotion... only from gold bond.

♪ ♪ look, if your wireless carrier was a guy you'd leave him tomorrow. not very flexible. not great at saving. you deserve better... xfinity mobile. now they have unlimited for just $30 a month... $30. and they're number one in customer satisfaction. his number... delete it. i'm deleting it. so, break free from the big three. xfinity internet customers, switch to xfinity mobile and get unlimited with 5g included for $30 on the nations fastest, most reliable network.

♪ sometimes you wanna go ♪ ♪ where everybody knows your name ♪ ♪♪ ♪ and they're always glad you came ♪ welcome back, america. it sure is good to see you. that's tonight's reid out. all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in." >> usually i stay in the background, and i just couldn't stay quiet anymore. >> the mother of a fallen police officer pleads with republicans. mitch mcconnell begs senators to kill the january 6 commission as a, quote, personal favor. >> i can't imagine anyone voting against the establishment of a commission on the greatest assault since the civil war on the capitol. >> tonight the republican