the federal government's increasingly aggressive approach towards rooting out foreign interference in american electoral politics. the investigation is unfolding separately from a long-running federal inquiry in manhattan that is aimed at mr. giuliani. while the two investigations have a similar cast of characters and overlap in some ways, mr. giuliani is not a subject of the brooklyn investigation. the brooklyn prosecutors along with the fbi are focused on current and former ukrainian officials suspected of trying to influence the election by spreading unsubstantiated claims of corruption about mr. biden through a number of channels, including mr. giuliani. it is unclear whether the brooklyn prosecutors will ultimately charge any of the ukrainians. giuliani, who has not been charged of wrongdoing, has denied that he has worked for any ukrainians. thank you for getting up way too early with us on this friday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. i can't imagine anyone

voting against the establishment of a commission on the greatest assault since the civil war on the capitol. but, anyway. i came for ice cream. >> i call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. thank you. now watch this drive. >> okay. >> miss that guy. >> great moments underscoring your serious political point. >> that was a good swing. >> yeah, you go there to do something and you answer the question, you're kind enough to answer the question, then you eat your ice cream, or you watch him make a drive. it's a good swing. it's like -- >> welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, may 28th. it's friday, everybody. >> it's friday. yay. >> with us, we have prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. white house reporter for the associated press, jonathan lemire is with us. and the cofounder of axios, mike

allen. wait for it. wait for it. how you doing, mike? >> happy holiday friday. >> okay. >> one thing, though, it was not a happy thursday yesterday for a couple of pittsburgh pirates. jonathan lemire, this video has gone viral. it's something to show any 9-year-old kid to tell them what to do. two outs, you get the ball, step on the bag, and the inning is over. if you tag this guy the inning is over. doesn't matter if that guy scores or not. you just tag the runner and he's out, because that's the forced play. and yet jonathan, this is bad news bears break training and go to pittsburgh. i don't think i've ever seen -- i feel so bad for these kids on the pirates.

i just -- i tell you, i've been coaching jack since he was 9 years old and my assistant coach, brian and i, we would have gone crazy -- we would just scream, touch the bag! touch the bag! it's like nothing i've ever seen. >> there were two outs! in clip was everywhere yesterday. it broke through among not just non-baseball fans, nonsports fans. and the same, joe, i'm an assistant coach on my son's 9-year-old team. the huskies, they'd have got on out on this play. and credit to javy baez, the base runner there for the cubs. it's creative, a burst of inspired madness, every instinct is you run to first base. he decides to go backwards and it results in a run when he

couldn't have presented it, and now we have a highlight or a lowlight. >> can you freeze this right here? can we just freeze the ball right there? go back just a little bit. here's the thing. if you don't know baseball. the only thing you need to know with baseball. can you bring it back a couple. i'm not sure -- look at this -- this is all you need to know, the guy by the plate, he is the third out. he is what you call the force out. this guy right here, he's got the ball. gene robinson, if he chose to, he could have just said hi to the guy going past home plate. he could have sat there and asked baez, because he was in the base path, and baez couldn't go anywhere. he couldn't have just held the ball. it couldn't have been the greatest moments in baseball, thanks for running, i'm going to

talk to javy right now about shakespeare. is it hamlet, is it king lear? i don't know. there's so many to choose from. do you like his sonnets? and javy would like either have to sit there and listen to him talk about shakespeare, or just give up and say, tag me, it's over, because the only thing that matters that he just stood there and tagged him! right there. how -- i don't know, gene, please. help me. i'm james brown. i'm falling down on the floor. you need to put a cape on me and walk me off the stage. >> i think we do, joe. you know, jonathan said brain locke. that's exactly what it was. how do you not step on the bag. that's all you had to do. that's all you had to do. just talk to him. oh, my god. >> all right, gentlemen. this has been fun. >> this looks like when i was going to see the atlanta braves

in the mid-1970s when there were 4,000 people there. i called it the pat rocket area, because pat rocket was the shortstop. they were growing chicken weed in the infield. this is about as bad. i think what we should do, we should get a collection, and we know rich people, like people that work at axios, i think we should just pass the cap around this morning, everybody throw in a couple of dollars and buy the pittsburgh pirates and go over there and maybe get a couple of little league coaches and teach them how to do it, mika. >> joe and jonathan lemire can coach them. okay, everybody. let's get to the news. >> okay. >> a new poll shows nearly three-fourths of republicans are ready to close the books on the january 6th insurrection. a new quinnipiac poll shows 74% of republicans say it's time to move on. that's compared to 84 -- >> hold on a second. it's may 28th. this is, what, how many months? four months, five months after

the insurrection? what if like in january of 2002, democrats say, we need to just move past 9/11? >> yeah, yeah, just move past it. nothing to see here. it's -- it's incredible, it's just another example of the sort of fantasy world, dystopian fantasy world that the republican party is living in now and, you know, they don't want to think about that, because that was a bad thing for them and a bad thing for their guy, who incited the whole thing, donald trump. so, let's just pretend it never happened. it's just astonishing. it's astonishing. >> if the tables were turned -- if the tables were turned, they would be telling the truth and also pointing out how this

weakens us around the world, especially our national security. a weakness from within that they could promulgate and grow. it's compared to 84% of democrats and 54% of independents who say the events of that day should never be forgotten. that 74% was likely what was behind a marathon session in the senate overnight, as republicans stalled a crucial vote on the january 6th commission. republicans were on the senate floor until just before 3:00 this morning, debating an unrelated bill to delay the vote. now the vote isn't expected until possibly later today. 60 votes are needed for the independent january 6th commission to move forward. so far, only three republicans, three, have expressed their support. senator lisa murkowski, the only republican backing the january 6th commission bill, as is, and

she expressed her disappointment in her colleague's attempts to block the vote. >> it's important that there be a focus on the facts and on the truth. and that may be unsettling. we need to understand that. we just can't pretend that nothing bad happened or that people just got too excitable. something bad happened. and it's important to lay that out. i think there's more to be learned. i want to know more. and i'm -- i want to know and i don't want to know. i don't want to know, but i need to know. >> there's so much to find out. and there's so much misinformation out there. some of the misinformation is easily dismissed, where you have people saying on the trump right that it was antifa. it clearly was not antifa. and none other than kevin mccarthy screamed and swore at

donald trump as the insurrection was going down, saying, this is not antifa. what are you, stupid? these are your people here. these are your people here. so that lie continues to spread, of course, throughout the trump right. and there are other lies. it was really just sort of peaceful demonstrators. nothing to see here. the ron johnson claim, there was really nothing to be worried about. while police officers were being beaten and brutalized within an inch of their lives. and you have that party of it, too. mike allen, what i don't really understand is, you and i both have been around the hill long enough, we know that a lot of times leadership will say, hey, listen, joe, you know what, i would like to have your vote here. this is a vote of conscience, so you do what you want to do, but really -- that happens a lot of times in votes like this. and certainly, mitch mcconnell said that during impeachment. a vote of conscience, you do what you feel like you need to

do. what i don't understand is, what has changed? why is mitch mcconnell, based on reporting, all the reporting that i've seen, mitch mcconnell is telling republicans, i need your vote. i need your vote. what is it about this commission that he fears? why is it that he's telling -- instead of just saying, vote your conscience like he did on impeachment, why is he now doing everything short of demanding their support? >> joe, it's a little tough to compete with zabruder baseball, but if you look at this, there's two things going on here, and you know with senator mcconnell, he's thinking about one thing. he's thinking, how can i rebuild my majority? how can i recruit the candidates i need to get back the senate majority, looking ahead to next cycles? and so something that most of the republicans that you served

with and we've covered over the years, this would seem like a no-brainer. you've pointed out again and again on the show why this commission is needed. but this is one of the once where they're whipping and pushing, as opposed to vote your conscience. and we have a little new reporting on possible fallout from this vote. so senator joe manchin, everybody is trying to read his mind. and he has been very strong in saying that republicans should be for this commission. we've talked to some democrats who think that this expected vote by republicans trying to kill which commission, that's a new wedge that democrats can use with manchin to say to him, you're being schooled, your being played by republicans. they are not voting, arguing in good faith here. here is proof of it. and because of it, you should soften your view of the

filibuster. move towards a senate where republicans can get their way, instead of right now where you need ten republicans to get something real. >> and he's going to be -- joe manchin will be hearing a lot of that. but really, he's been shermanesque in saying that he doesn't want to, quote, destroy the government by getting rid of the filibuster. i don't think -- i think that's being a little melodramatic. i think -- go ahead. >> joe, at the time he said that, he's still holding out hope for some republican movement and so if you get no movement passed that graphic that you showed, that's where there's an opening to say to joe manchin, look, this is a pipe dream you're going to get republicans on these big questions. give it up. let's pass things that we believe in and need to for our voters. >> yeah, you know, jonathan lemire, i heard -- i'm trying to remember who said this yesterday. i think it was senator bennett

who said, nobody hates donald trump more than mitch mcconnell. he's probably right there. so it leads me, obviously, if you looked at what mitch mcconnell said on january the 6th, if you saw what mitch mcconnell said about impeachment, do what you feel like you need to do on impeachment, if you saw what he said after his vote on impeachment, it's very clear, he doesn't like donald trump. anything he's doing is not to protect donald trump. i'm just wondering, for those trying to figure out why the leader of the senate is doing this, i wonder if the whole thing is, let's get donald trump behind us. i don't want to spend the next year, year and a half figuring out how much trump was laughing at the white house when he was seeing cops beaten up with a flag, i don't want to talk about

donald trump not calling in the national guard fast enough. republicans having to answer that question day in and day out. this would go into 2022, regardless of what the legislation says. you know that a lot of people being subpoenaed would fight those subpoenas. >> and as much as senator mcconnell may dislike donald trump, he likes more the idea of being senate majority leader again. and that's what he's making a calculation here. he's trying to win. he thinks this is best for the republicans in the senate. this is the best move for his caucus, because of exactly what you said, joe. he doesn't want this to turn into a months-long, potentially years-long odyssey, keeping january 6th in the news. we have learned, we have seen this from that date itself, every time we see a new piece of video. every time we hear from a new witness, including -- yesterday, we heard from the mother of the police officer -- the capital police officer who was killed there. it is so heart wrenching and such a difficult day. those are not headlines that are good for the republicans who had senators object to the election

results. and that violence was incited by the former president. that's the calculation mcconnell has made to try to block this. to try to move forward. we know speaker pelosi, as we've been discussing on the show for weeks now, has other option. could be a select committee, could be the power of the subpoena. but the republicans' objections to this is what led to last night, when senator ron johnson, as you mentioned, who said, he would be far more worried if it was black lives matter protesters storming the capitol as opposed to this pro-trump rallies. he's the one who held up the proceedings and didn't get to votes on things like china and other measures, including january 6th, because he was trying to pull a stunt about the border wall. so they're taking their orders from mitch mcconnell, but really it all exists under the shadow of donald trump. that's what they're still concerned about because of the grip he has on the party. >> as they protect donald trump and as we look at these pictures, what confounds me, this event is an assault on our

democracy. it hurts us around the world and it hurts us to our core, given what these people did to our capitol and the threats to our lawmakers. and the people that were murdered that day. and many of them tortured, as you can see, with american flags. these are the people that are being protected on capitol hill while the fbi's hauling them in and arresting them. and i just wonder why smarter republicans, perhaps some of the republicans that are trump republicans that may still have a real republican bone in their body wouldn't want to get trump off their back by allowing this commission to go through. because it would not just implicate donald trump, many times over, but these lawmakers who might have been involved in some way, who may have given tours so people could do some sort of surveillance to see where they could go, to try to hang mike pence or -- >> we don't know if that, in

fact, happened. >> we don't know -- >> so we need a commission. >> wouldn't you want those people out of your party, finally? as jonathan just mentioned, family members -- >> well, you know, let me just say as we're looking at this, it's so strange, growing up a conservative and still being a conservative, but not being a republican. you look at these mobs, look at these people breaking the law. this is what we conservatives fought against and railed against since the 1960s. >> law and order. >> we railed against chaos, we railed against the breaking down och social order, we railed against the very things that you're seeing in this picture. and here you're seeing again, the seat of american government, of our constitutional republic, this exceptional nation being bashed and battered about. and so, again, listen, i don't understand why republicans in the senate aren't allowed to vote their conscience and why

they can't get ten. it seems to me, let me say this again, it's really important to underline, i think it's better that it's a bipartisan, bicameral commission, where you have republicans and democrats working together. that's better, because if republicans vote against that, then you will have the house doing it, just like republicans did with benghazi. and democrats in the house, they have the power, they have the subpoena power. they have the power to call witnesses. and they will have the mainstream media following those hearings every single day. it's not like voting against a bipartisan, bicameral commission is going to create a news blackout. it's only going. again, i've said this before, if i was -- if i were nancy pelosi, i would have three republican and three democratic members on the commission and liz cheney,

adam kinzinger, and maybe one or two others that helped forge the compromise deal in the house would be the third. that would be so extraordinarily powerful. and that would be a bipartisan commission. because with liz cheney, you have someone that is more conservative than any of these yahoos that are trump republicans. >> insurrectionists. >> and with kinzinger, off guy who is also a conservative, who, you know, served his country. >> by definition, they're not republicans. they're trump insurrectionists. it's the insurrectionist party. >> three parties. republicans, democrats, trump insurrectionists. >> as jonathan mentioned, family members and colleagues of fallen officer brian sicknick were on capitol hill yesterday, pleading with republican senators to support a commission to investigate the attack of the capitol. gladys sicknick, the mother of officer sicknick, spoke with reporters about those meetings.

>> does it anger you, mrs. sicknick, to hear senators who do not support this commission and what emotions do you feel when he hear that? >> this is why i'm here today. usually i stay in the background and i couldn't stay quiet today. >> what did you say in your letter? did you call it a slap in the face? >> yes, i did. because they put their lives on the line. >> what are you hoping will be on their minds when they vote on this commission? >> the country. this was to uphold the constitution. and right now they're doing it. >> that's a grieving mother there with brashra comstock, a capitol hill officer and the deceased officer's partner. grieving but doing what she believes she has to do, not only for this country, but also for the memory of her son, who served in uniform to protect this country. >> she's so plainspoken, because it's so obvious.

and her loss is -- >> and to protect -- and to protect the very men and women who are now abandoning him. it has to be heartbreaking for her. >> joining us now, former chief of staff to the dccc, adrienne elrod, she recently worked for the biden campaign and the inaugural committee. adrienne, it's good to have you back on the show. what can democrats do at this point to bring more republicans onboard, at least for this? >> you know, mika, i don't know, honestly. i'm baffled by this. i spent ten years working on the hill back in a time when democrats and republicans worked together, when bipartisanship was the name of the game. it was very constant. and i think he made a really smart point earlier, mika, when you said, this could actually be a chance for republicans to finally start to break free from donald trump, who was holding the republican party hostage, who has continued to hold the

republican party hostage by voting for this bill. it's hard to just not think -- it's almost unthinkable to think about the fact that we cannot get -- the senate cannot get a bipartisan bill passed. when you show those images, which, by the way, i hope the media will continue day in and day out to show these images. we can never forget what happened on january 6th. to turn a blind eye to that and for mitch mcconnell to say, oh, i don't want to deal with how trump will racket to this bill if my caucus supports it for the next hour and a half, he's a coward, he's a chicken. the fact that these guys are not willing to stand up for law enforcement, not willing to stand up for those who lost their lives. it's so emotional to watch officer sicknick's mother, who clearly is a private citizen, but felt the need to come forward and in the name of her son and his life, you know, fight for this legislation to

get passed. so i say this. i don't think -- i don't know what democrats can do. what i will say is we'll probably be looking at a select committee. i think that that -- you know, that there is still plenty of things that democrats and a handful of republicans who may support this can do to try to get to the bottom of what actually happened, but i think we might be able to get a select committee. and sadly, we're not going to be looking at a way for democrats and republicans to come together and make a statement that they stand against anything like this happening, what we saw happen on january 6th from ever happening again. >> you know, it really is another, i think, it's another low point in just how far they've gone apart. and in this case, it's the republicans who can't even come together. sit down in good faith. you don't like how the staffing is set up? let's sit down and have talks. that's how it's been done for over 200 years.

sit down, talk to the other side, compromise. but right now, republicans are being leaned on to vote against a bipartisan, bicameral commission that would get to the bottom of this. listen to her pleading and talking about why she's on capitol hill. >> does it anger, mrs. sicknick, to hear angers who do not support this commission and what emotions do you feel when you're confronted with that? >> this is why i'm here today. >> what did you said in the letter to the gop lawmakers? did you call it a slap in the face? >> yes, i did. because they put their lives on the line. >> what are you hoping will be on their minds when they vote on this? >> the country. this was to uphold the

constitution, and right now , i don't think they're doing it. >> gene, a slap in the face for her, hr family. the memory of her dead son. for the officers that were beaten with american flags. the officers whose heads were jammed into the doors. the officers who were punched and kicked and thrown on the floor, begging for their lives. ron johnson saying nothing happened that day. other trump supporters saying these supporters are qanon. and sitting representatives saying, no, we don't want to know the truth. everybody in the trump insurrectionist party, they have their own different lies. it was qanon. kevin mccarthy called that out as a lie on day number one. ron johnson says it was just

peaceful demonstrators. nothing to see here, move along, move along. no, it was quite different and the american people know that. that's what -- again, i don't get the upside of this political play. i don't get the upside of it. >> i don't get the upside of it either, joe. but this is -- you know, identify been in washington for a long time, so i've seen a lot of cynical things. this is -- it's hard to beat this for sheer cynicism that -- clearly for nothing but raw political reasons and the desire to regain power. the senate is refusing to investigate -- you know, this is the first time the capitol was sacked since 1814, right, when the british sacked and burned

the capitol. nothing like this has happened. certainly nothing like this has ever happened from a domestic mob, a mob of americans. skpr we do need to know how this happened and who was responsible and who was in contact with the leaders of this -- of the insurrection. we need to know all of this. and we will -- we will find out, but it will be probably a house select committee or something like this. the fact that the reputation in the senate simply will not participate in this, for me, it just takes the cake for pure cynicism. maya angelou says, when someone

shows you who they are, believe them. i believe this is what the republican party is now. >> an insurrectionist party. >> so we just have to deal with that fact. and it's a horrible fact, but we have to deal with it. still ahead on "morning joe," russian hackers are at it again, launching another attack targeting u.s. agencies. plus, how a piece of far-right russian propaganda made its way from from pro-kremlin networks to ted cruz's twitter feed. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. k. i've lost count of how many asthma attacks i've had. but my nunormal with nucala? fewer asthma attacks. nucala is a once-monthly add-on injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection.

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government agencies, think tanks, and non-governmental organizations. in a blog post yesterday, microsoft vice president tom burt wrote, the effort targeted about 3,000 email accounts at more than 150 different organizations. and that while organizations in the u.s. received the largest share of attacks, targeted victims span at least 24 countries. and now to this. you might have heard of republican senator ted cruz sharing this now viral video last week, that compared recruitment ads for russian and military -- the russian video, u.s. military -- the russian video showed muscular men doing shirtless push-ups with guns and fighter jets while the u.s. ad showed a girl talking about growing up with two moms and defending their freedoms at an early age. senator cruz tweeted, perhaps a

woke, emasculated military is not the best idea. but according to "insider," experts say the video is actually a far-right russian propaganda. it appears to have originated from an ally of russian president vladimir putin and then quickly made its way to 4chan and other white supremacist forums. joining us now is senior reporter at "insider," tom porter. what more can you tell us about this story? >> so, i was curious to see this on ted cruz's twitter feed last week and i was -- i mean, obviously, it's russian propaganda. it supports the core narratives of the russian state, that russia, that russia is somehow in a position of strength relative to the united states. and i wanted to go back and see if we could actually concretely

link this video to pro-kremlin networks, so i spoke to a brilliant guy at the center for the analysis of the radical right here in the uk, a guy called alexander ross, and over the course of several days, he managed to trace this video back to a network of pro-kremlin, far-right commentators and news outlets in europe. and from this network, it kind of spreads into the u.s. far-right through 4chan, there's a tiktok made out of ift. you can see the tiktok symbol in the bottom right of the cruz video. and it then leaks on to telegram. it's shared by some violent anti-west forums on telegram and makes the leap on to twitter, where it's shared by ted cruz.

>> hey, tom, it's jonathan lemire. i wanted to ask you, this is sort of a truism about russia, that very little happens there without at least a nod and a wink from the kremlin itself, from vladimir putin. and giving them some deniability, say, if it's not a gru-run operation. what is your sense? what is your reporting telling you about how much knowledge, if any they might have had on this. give us some information about these russian-backed organizations we've seen attack the west. how much of them are sanctioned officially or unofficially by the kremlin? >> so with regards specifically to the cruz video, i mean, this is propaganda that's fermented by the russian state, by russian state media. i couldn't find anything kind of concretely linking it to the giu or any russian state actors, but

it comes out of the climate of propaganda that russia pushes and propagates. &it's very much part of this campaign, that goes back a long time now, seeking to portray the u.s. and the open society that the u.s. has as, infect, kind of weakening the u.s. it's a kind of core narrative for the kremlin and they portray themselves as having this traditionalist society. and with respect to the hacks, russia's campaign is conducted on several levels. yes, there's the propaganda campaign, which feeds into some ways mainstream republican propaganda in the united states. and this also the hacking and my understand is there are some

pretty clear linkages between the hacking and russian intelligence, specifically the giu. >> all right. "insider's" tom porter, thank you very much for your reporting. we appreciate it. coming up, pushback against a new law in florida targeting social media companies. our next guest says, it's all about pleasing the maga crowd. "morning joe" is coming right back. maga crowd. "morning joe" is coming right back ♪ na na na na ♪ na na na na... ♪ hey hey hey. ♪ goodbye. ♪ na na na na... ♪ hey hey hey. ♪ goodbye. ♪ na na na na ♪ na na na na...

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43 past the hour. earlier in the week, we told you about florida governor ron desantis signing into law a bill that fines social media platforms for banning the accounts of people running for

office. desantis said the law takes on silicon valley elites that censor conservative views. joining us now, state attorney for palm beach county, dave aaronberg. dave, what's the law actually doing and who does it really target? >> good morning, mika. this law is performance art. it's a show for the maga audience and it's so blatantly unconstitutional that harvard law school may want to take away desantis' degree, because he knows better. he knows this transparency in technology act is just purely political, but he wants to inherit the maga base or run for president in 2024. the courts are going to strike this down, but when they do, he'll blame liberal activist judges, even those most of them are probably appointed by republicans. and at the same time, he gets to bash silicon valley. this is a twofer for him. he can bash judges and silicon valley. it's like a right-wing daily

double. what this is about is about forcing private social media companies to broadcast the speech of candidates, regardless of how untrue that speech is. and the supreme court has made it clear that the first amendment prevents government from forcing private companies to broadcast someone else's speech. it's also a violation of federal law, the communications decency act. social media companies do need to do better. they need the monitor the hate speech and all the threats that go on online, but this law would make it harder for them to do so, because it prevents them from banning candidates to engage in race-baiting, lies and hates and bans cites from doing those innocuous fact checks they did, like below donald trump's tweets before he was banned. and if you want to see how bogus this law is, see that it exempts companies that have large theme parks, which shows that desantis is actually just as scared as mickey mouse as he is of donald trump. you know, it's amazing that the

people who decry socialism all the time keep enacting these socialist-type laws or maybe this is crony capitalism, but either way, it's unconstitutional. >> it's big government, whatever you call it. and mike allen, obviously, even though dave aaronberg believes it's going to be ruled unconstitutional and many other people do, as well. big tech, as you all report just about every day, is a target of both sides. but especially the maga crowd. so even if it's overruled, this is a big political win, likely, for ron desantis, isn't it? >> that's right. he is looking ahead to running for president himself. the buzz about him being vice president, if president trump were to run again. but just the fight is a win for him. he doesn't need the law. the court fight is a win for him. and joe, as i talk to budding senate candidates around the country. they're thinking about what they're going to be talking

about in 2022. i'm told this is a very powerful issue. that it's very resonant on the stand. i think we'll hear a lot of it in the campaigns coming up. >> all right. joe, i'm just curious. ron desantis, i guess in a way, by doing this, is another person banking on trump, instead of getting him off their back. they are sitting here, waiting to see if he's going to run for president again. it just seems to me that there's such clear choices that they could make, and then, by the way, once again, return to their republican roots. >> well, i don't think ron desantis wants donald trump to get off his back. i think he wants to stand on donald trump's shoulders, because he's thinking he's going to be the next republican nominee. and dave aaronberg, you're a florida politician. the talk has been rampant around -- well, all over the state of florida. that ron desantis, that rick scott -- that you fill in the blank, one republican after

another from the state of florida is planning on rung for president. but right now, it's desantis, clearly, who is, if you look at these early, early polls, is the favorite of a lot of republicans across the nation. >> yeah, and these guys are on a collision course, joe. desantis and scott are not being fans of each other. so we'll see how that plays out. also, we have marco rubio who may want to run for president. so you can have three floridians, but desantis is the hot guy in the republican party right now, and he has done everything he can to try to inherit this maga base. it's not just passing these laws that prevent social media companies from banning right-wing companies, it's also purchasing a million doses of the drug hydroxychloroquine, when the former president touted it as a miracle cure for covid. so now the state of florida is stuck with a million doses of a malaria drug, nobody wants.

no other states passed this kind of law, their legislature have passed it, but other governors have vetoed, this social media law. but not desantis. he's waving this around as someone he should be proud of, but he knows it should be unconstitutional, but he's not stupid. he's looking at 2024. that's why he's hoping deep down that trump does get indicted and goes away, because that's the only way he can run for president next cycle. >> you know, i'm just a dumb country lawyer. poor guy, i could only afford to go to state schools like alabama and florida and so maybe i'm just not as smart as those harvard boys or those yale boys like desantis. it's funny, all of these populists and all of these people that have done really stupid things legally, that even i know are unconstitutional, they're all harvard boys. i don't -- i know, dave, you're a harvard boy, too, but i'm going to give you a pass, because you don't -- you know, you don't come on here and talk about unconstitutional things.

but i've got to say -- i've got to say, i mean, adrienne, you're from arkansas. i'm from every state across the deep south, isn't it rich that ted cruz and josh hawley and ron desantis, they all went to harvard or yale or stanford or princeton, you know. they're eating in supper clubs or dinner clubs or whatever those elite kids call it these days, and playing this populist card, and really doing unbelievably stupid things that are like unconstitutional, that make no sense. and it's -- talk about the irony. this is the future of american populism? i don't think so. >> yeah, this is like a reality tv show in real life. i mean, again, it's hilarious to watch, joe, because these guys are so held hostage by trump and whatever decisions he decides to

make, whether or not he's going to run again. and there's this long line of 15 to 20 guys just waiting in the wings, maybe a couple of women many there, too, to see what he does. but the bottom line is maybe what these guys don't realize is, you know, not everyone is going to be able to get in there and just replicate what trump has done. i don't think that ron desantis would be able to hold on to the republican party the way that trump was able to. at least, i hope that somebody like donald trump is a once in a lifetime or once every hundred years-type of president. but i'm a scc girl. >> roll tide. >> go hogs. some of these ivy leaguers that are making some of these really ridiculous decisions. they're not governing. they're simply playing to a base. >> it is government by gesture, time and time again. >> state attorney for palm beach county, dave aaronberg, thank you so much. and mike allen, thank you, as

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what's going on here? >> why are they not telling him? >> like, hey, dude, you've got something. >> lemire at the white house, we want to check you out before -- i see a bug flying around. >> i see something behind you, man. >> that was horrifying. >> awful! >> there haven't been too many cicadas spotted here at the white house. a handful we've spotted in recent days, not like other places in washington that are infested with them. but my god, i can't even look at that. if you see one, please tell me. >> why didn't they tell him? manu raju, you need to tell your friends that they're not friends and your colleagues, they're not friends. they're very excited about this, when this finally attacks your neck. eww! >> friends don't let other friends do hits with cicadas on their neck. >> no, day don't. former house speaker paul ryan weighs into the debate over the future of the republican

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if the conservative cause depends on the appeal of one personality or second-rate impersonations, we're not going anywhere. voters looking for republican leaders want to see independence and meddle, they will not be impressed by the site of yes, men and flatterers flocking to mar-a-lago. >> former house speaker paul ryan warning republicans that they won't be able to hold on to power if they continue to be a party of one. better late than never. >> you know who's glad he said it? liz cheney. she's been very outspoken. you know, you know, let's hope, maybe a thatcher from '75 when thatcher moved towards taking over the conservative party in

britain. she's certainly setting herself apart and you never know what's going to happen in politics. that is good from paul, hearing paul talking about these sycophants that go running down to mar-a-lago hoping to be patted on the head. let's hope that the republican party continues to strengthen and the insurrectionist party continues to get smaller. we need a strong democratic and a strong republican party. right now, the republican party is split in half between republicans like paul ryan and liz cheney and insurrectionists. >> adrienne elrod and eugene robinson with us. and joining us, we have the host and executive producer of showtime's "the circus," from "the recount," john heilemann.

and donny deutsch is with us. he's the host of a new podcast entitled, "on brand with donny deutsch." it's going well, donny. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> john heilemann's my hero and i think he has a podcast, so i'm just following in his footsteps. >> standing on his shoulders. okay, donny. >> well done. well done. a new poll shows nearly three-fourths of republicans are ready to close the books on the january 6th insurrection. like it just never happened. a new quinnipiac poll shows 74% of republicans say it's time to move on. that's compared to 84% of democrats and 54% of independents who said the events of that day should never be forgotten. that's 74% number is likely what was behind a marathon session in the senate overnight, way into the night, as republicans stall ed a crucial vote on the january

6th commission. republicans were on the senate floor debating an unrelated bill to delay the vote. now the vote isn't expected until possibly later today. 60 votes are needed for the independent january 6th commission to move forward. so far, only three republicans have expressed their support. >> so, john heilemann, i was asking last hour, and maybe you can help me out here. i'm trying to sort through it. i understand the majority of republicans out in the heartland, the teeming masses, do not want a commission like this, because 96% want us to move on. i can't believe this, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions. but what i don't understand is why there's such a heavy-handed to not let the ten republicans who want to vote for this, if there are ten republicans who want to vote for this, why

they're not allowed to do that. because you've had, based on my sources, you've had manchin go to mitch mcconnell saying, hey, listen, get out of the way on this. i understand you like having a heavy hand on infrastructure, i understand you having a heavy hand on this like everything else, but this is important to america. and yet mitch mcconnell still having a position where he's leaning on republicans to vote against his commission. i'm right to figure out the politics of it all. doesn't seem to make sense to me. it's not going to help with independents. it's certainly not going to help with joe manchin, who can just change his mind anytime and vote for the democrats and the democrats can run over republicans on everything. i'm sorry for this long question. i'm just setting it up. and i want you to tell me, why do you think mitch mcconnell is taking that chance? >> well, i heard you talk about

it earlier this morning, joe, and i've been thinking about it ever since assuming you might ask. i think part of what's going on, i think the 74% is really important. and i think it's important what the poll reflects. it's important not just that republicans out in the country have decided that they want to move on. i think it's important and it reflects, it reflects a success that republicans have had so far that we are all extraordinarily pained by. which is when the decision happened in the middle of january, where the republican party was really at a turning point, and mitch mcconnell and the others were really on the defense about what they were going to do. when that decision had been made that donald trump had won, in a sense. that he was on the ropes, but reclaimed enough power over the party that they needed to capitulate against him, so you saw mcconnell vote against impeachment, but give a big loud meaningless speech on the senate floor. i think mcconnell at that point joined the crowd that said, it's

important for our politics going forward, at the macro level, is to try to memory hold january 6th. that is going to be -- that is now the fundamental macro me that political objective of the entire republican party. and that 74% is a sign that so far the way that republicans are handling with this their voters, maybe wrongly, and we can talk about whether that's the right strategic objective, but that is what republicans are focused on. how do we get as much of the republican as possible, particularly in our part, to memory hold january 6th. to treat that event like it was meaningless. we don't want it to be thought of as 9/11. and i think the politics of this now are, you were talking before about a select committee and how there's going to be media coverage. if democrats run a partisan process here or the way republicans ran the benghazi process. it's not like the media will go away. there's going to be tons of coverage. we'll get to the bottom of what happened on january 6th.

but from mccarthy's standpoint and mcconnell's standpoint, there's a higher likelihood of being able to tar that process, definitely an attempt, and in their minds, to tar that process as partisan. that if they're looking at two options, one of which is a blessed, republican-sanctified investigation whose results they will have to then stand by, they see no good politics coming out of that. if they see a democratic process that they can attack, they see a slight measure of advantage in being able to attack that process and nah small measure, help them with the larger objective, which is keep trying to memory hole and recontextualize january 6th, particularly among their voters, but then as much as possible in the middle of the electorate to downplay and dismiss and try to minimize the significance of what happened on what we all here agree is one of the most horrible and continually problematic events in modern american history. >> and of course, i believe that

and you just said it. ron johnson said he believes this was much ado about nothing. a bunch of peaceful protesters. donny deutsch, though, given what john said, and it makes a lot of sense that they do want to memory hole this. they want to pretend it never happened. they want to downplay it. we've got the tapes. >> they were there! >> we've got the receipts. we've got kevin mccarthy on the floor of the house blaming donald trump for this. we have mitch mcconnell blaming donald trump for this. we have republicans that were chastened by this when it happened. we've got all the receipts and those videos, those clips are forever. it's -- this is one of the things that i really do believe they're being too clever by

half. this is one of those things, we've got the receipts. we all know what happened. they can try to lie all they want to lie or, you know, the ron johnson way, but they're not going to be able to run away from this and it just seems to me. talk about this in terms of branding. i'm sure you've had examples of cooperations that you've worked with that have wanted to ignore a big problem, that have wanted to pretend it didn't happen and you've had to say to them, listen, you've got to tas this head on and it seems to me, forget about the democrats and everything else, just for the good of the republican party, this seems like something they need to face head-on so they can move forward. i think liz cheney is so right and adam kinzinger is so right. they need to face it. murkowski is right. romney is right. they need to face it straight

on. >> they need to say, there's this real extreme fringe out there, the irony is, if you look at the quinnipiac poll and 75% say there's no big deal here, let's move on, that as a branding i go, the republican party is the insurrectionest party, and the tapes prove it. as a marketing guy, going forward, all i need are those images. we are a world that is more visual than audio. if you think about the awe of the civil war, this is what stays with us. they have to separate -- the very thing you've been touting, that there are two parties, they have to need to say and say,

when in reality, the quinnipiac poll shows it actually is republican party. that's the quagmire they're in. >> you talk about those images from vietnam, the images from 9/11. i remember after 9/11, people said, stop showing the planes going into the twin towers and we got very strict guidance not to show those clips, except under extraordinary circumstances. amount of conservatives complained about that. i complained about it, too. i wanted americans to see the face of evil. i wanted them to see what the islamic terrorists had done to us. i wanted to call that terrorism by its name and have visual representation of that. because we had to stare face to face into the eyes of the evil that did that to us, right? on 9/11? and that was what republicans believed. that's what conservatives believe.

i said last hour, we see that chaos. that we saw around the capitol. yes, as many republicans said during the campaign, that we saw last summer. looting in los angeles. i remember watching police cars being like -- glass being shattered during -- not the black lives matter matter protests, during things to the side of that, where it spun off of those protests. there were people -- it was used as excuses for rioting and looting of it. i was enraged watching that. i was enraged by what happened in portland. still can't understand why those people in portland didn't take control of their streets. most of you will disagree with me on this and i understand that, probably mad. what i'm trying to make you see is ever how a conservative

thinks and that's how i think and that's how conservatives have always thought, so the big question is, of course, you should know what i'm saying next, you should see it coming out of the tunnel, as professor pearson said in my first torts class at university of florida, you should see this coming at you like a freight train rolling out of the mist. so the question is, if that's how we conservatives are wider, then why it is that they want to avert their eyes from police officers being abused by american flags? why do they want to avert their eyes from rioters and insurrectionists breaching the united states capitol, the heartbeat of american democracy, the center, the epicenter of freedom across the globe.

why do they want to pretend that this never happened? look at that. ron johnson, he doesn't want you to remember this happened. he wants you to remember kenosha, and you should remember kenosha, but he doesn't want to remember when the center of american freedom was attacked. when police officers were brutalized. he wants you to remember the looting at a saks fifth avenue in los angeles. again, something as a conservative i saw in the middle of summer and said, what the hell is going on. why aren't these people being arrested. and again, i say that just so you can get into the mind of how a conservative thinks when he sees rioting and looting on

either side. so why is it that republicans, they want you to see the looting and rioting from this past summer. they want you to see the planes going into the twin towers. they want you to see the face of evil. i do. i do. you need to see the face of evil. and this is evil. what you're watching right now. this is evil. this is evil -- these are people trying to undermine american democracy. these are people, that if you look at the statue, if you look at the statute for sedition, this fits the very definition of sedition. but for some reason, these so-called conservatives, they want you to forget about this. as john heilemann said, they want you to put this in the reel. we can't do it. sorry, we can't do it. we love america. and we conservatives, we

conservatives can't -- we true conservatives -- >> republicans. >> those of us who are actually people that learn from margaret thatcher and learn from ronald reagan and actually grow up reading conservative books and reading what russell kirk said. we can't avert our eyes from this. and if you can, my friend, you are not conservative. >> the family members and colleagues of fallen officer brian sicknick were on capitol hill yesterday, pleading with republican senators to support a commission to investigate the attack of the capitol. gladys sicknick, officer sicknick's mother, spoke with reporters about those meetings. >> does it anger you, mrs. sicknick, to hear senators who do not sport this commission and what emotions do you feel when

you're confronted with that? >> this is why i'm here today. usually i stay in the background and i just couldn't stay quiet anymore. >> you sent a letter to the gop to meet with them, did you call it a slap in the face or? >> yes, i did. because they put their lives on the line. >> what are you hoping will be on their mind when they vote on this commission? >> the country. this was to uphold the constitution and right now, i don't think they're doing it. >> as plainspoken as it gets. here's congresswoman val demings. do not claim to support the police and then vote against the january 6th commission. just don't. it's pretty clear, gene robinson. at this point, there's a pretty clear choice as to which party you want to be a part of. and there's a third one. it's the insurrectionist party. how many republicans will choose to be a part of this?

>> most of them. you know, just about all of them, except for three, four, who knows how many votes will be for the commission, but the republican party, right now is not a conservative party. let's just face it. these are not conservatives and we have to get rid of that idea that's so last century. and i don't think we have the right name for it yet. we'll have to come up with a more encompassing name for what the republican party is now rather than insurrectionist or trumpist or whatever, but it's not conservative in any way, really. just failure to support law

enforcement. it's not a party of fiscal responsibility. it's not a party that particularly cares about a strong defense. it's not a conservative party the way it was for most of our lifetimes. the grounds in american politics has shifted. and i don't think we fully understand the contours of the landscape now. but it's different. it's just -- and look, 74% of the constituents of this non-conservative republican party say, just move on and forget about january 6th. that's extraordinary. that's just extraordinary. >> that vote after republicans stalled it all night long made everyone stay up all night should happen later today and we'll be watching that. later today, the will propose a $6 trillion budget plan, which

is expected to include $2.3 trillion in infrastructure spending. yesterday, the president spoke about the need to invest in infrastructure, who are taking credits for legislation they voted against. >> you can see that kind of public investment for much too long. if you're going to try to take credit for what you've done, don't get in the way of what we still need to do. >> joining us now, vice chair of the house, transportation, and infrastructure committee, democratic congresswoman sharice davids of kansas. great to have you on the show. this would be the highest level of federal spending since world war ii. how will the president get it through with republican support? is that possible? >> well, i don't spend every day looking at the world in kind of a polyana sort of way, but i will say that i think that what we need to be focused on and

this is what i think the president is focused on, is making sure rebuilding after the economic crisis we're seeing, because of a public health crisis. we're focused on making sure that we're making these investments in infrastructure. it's how we got out of the great depression. it's how we'll get ourselves on the other side of this so we can get to a thriving economy. we're focused on -- the president is certainly focused on creating millions of jobs and also tackling climate change. i think that these things are only partisan in d.c. my hope is that the republicans will continue to stay at the table and negotiate on some of these really important priorities and issues that the american people want us to get done. >> congresswoman, we have adrienne elrod with us and she has a question for you. adrienne? >> congresswoman, it's great to see you this morning. you know, there are some

concerns as these negotiations continue that perhaps elements of the caring economy, paid leave, child care, might be left on the chopping block. do you see that being the case and if that is the case, do you see something like paid leave being able to be passed later on this year or perhaps, you know, even into next year? or do you think if that is on the chopping block, is this the one time that we can get something like paid leave passed? >> i think this is a great question. i mean, i feel like this leads to some of the bigger picture questions that we're asking ourselves and we're seeing right now, which is what do we consider infrastructure, what do we consider necessary for a thriving economy? and this kind of conversation, in my view, doesn't happen often enough. we need to have structures in place that are going to help us get to our places of work, get to our places of education and i

think that paid family leave is something that we immediate to -- we absolutely need to be working on. we need to make sure that families are able to take care of themselves so they can get to the -- get to the jobs that they want to have. you know, folks want to get back to work. folks want to make sure that we're growing jobs, and we definitely need to be including things like paid family leave in that. >> so congresswoman, you have, geographically, and demographically, a diverse district. parts of kansas city, you have some country there, you have some suburbs. so you're just a great member to ask about the economy. as you go from the more densely populated parts of your district to the less densely populated part of your district, let me just ask you, how is the

recovery coming along? do you feel like businesses are starting to pick up? like small business owners are starting to get moving forward? are family restaurants, are they starting to get the businesses we need to stay open? >> that's a great question. also, the kansas third is definitely a diverse district. we've got tons of amazing entrepreneurs there. in fact, we have a -- i always say that the kansas city area is a hotbed of entrepreneurial activity because of the strong ecosystem we have for the business owners. and we're seeing a lot of the issues i often hear other folks talking about. we need to make sure that folks have broadband, so they have access to health care, so they can stay connected with their customers. and when it comes to the restaurant owners, to the small retail shops, what we're seeing

is definitely, things are picking back up, as we get more people vaccinated, more folks are able to go out and enjoy themselves. this weekend when i was at home, i was definitely -- i went to a few different restaurants and was happy to see that lots of folks were out, patronizing the different businesses. but i also know that it's not -- it's not a light switch, you know? and businesses are still trying to figure out how to recover from that. and on the small business committee, we're hearing a lot about how to make sure that our restaurant revitalization fund is properly resourced, so that we can continue to do everything we can to support our small businesses. >> congresswoman sharice davids, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. >> john heilemann, tell me about the infrastructure. we've got the negotiating over the infrastructure bill. they still seem pretty far apart, maybe they'll move closer

together. obviously, the back and forth haggling on the 1/6 commission, doesn't look like that's coming together. i'm just curious -- and i know a lot of people get irritated when there's too much focus on joe manchin, but i don't know. who are we supposed to focus on? roger waters? no, it all centers around joe manchin. at what point do the republicans -- do their intransigence, does it get to such a point that he gets irritated and says, the hell with it, we'll do reconciliation on three bills, and on these two bills over here, i'm going to go ahead and do an exception to the filibuster rule. right now on the 1/6 commission and a few other things, he's starting to feel like that's a one-way street. >> and i think that's a -- in some ways, joe, going back to our conversation about the

politics of all of this, and what's in mcconnell's head, i think it's the most dangerous game mcconnell is playing right now, is not actually on the kind of macro level we were talking about earlier, but on this level, i think it's perfectly right to be focused on joe manchin for all the practical reasons that we know. and i do sense, and you know, you are probably as well sourced in manchin world as any host on television. my sense of it is that they are trying his patience. they, republicans, are trying his patience. and he is a guy who has both convictions and whatever you think of them, forget what you think about this. it's not relevant in some sense what we think about joe manchin's views about the filibuster and institutional integrity. the one thing i know is what joe manchin's politics are like. joe manchin is in a state where no democrat should ever get elected to anything ever. but in blue years and red years, wherever the man is up for

re-election, he somehow manages to not just win, but win without very much difficulty. he understands politics of his state extraordinarily well. so the positions he takes are calibrated finally towards winning in that state and there are a lot of democrats who say, he's not really a democrat, we can get rid of him. if you lose joe manchin, you'll never see another democrat elected in west virginia for a very long time. the reality is, most things, by and large, joe manchin will vote with democrats most of the time, so i think a lot of people should be attentive to the notion that you want to keep this guy in office and you want to keep this guy on your side. and i think that the question right now is how much whether republicans are about to, in the intransigence you're citing, whether they're about to push manchin over the edge to the point where not just he becomes personally frustrated, but where their behavior factors into his political analysis such that he says, i can now afford to do to

just become a partisan democrat. because republicans are so far out of line, there'll be no penalty, no cost for me to go along with the things that by and large the vast majority of democrats want to see happen. and i think republicans are very, very close to that line right now. very close. >> i think they're getting closer by the day. joe manchin is doing everything that he can do. and you're right, he's in a state that donald trump got 69% of the vote. he doesn't care. because joe manchin, he just wins. and he knows how to win. and he knows how to win in states that democrats don't usually win in so they can keep control of the united states senate. but yooen robinson, joe's got to feel like he just keeps pushing that rock up the hill and it

keeps falling down. this is a guy who is sort of one of a kind in washington for people who don't know joe manchin or what he does. he's got this big old houseboat and you know what, he gets together all the time with the republicans, with democrats, he gets groups of republicans and democrats together. like, he does things that a lot of people don't do these days anymore, because they're afraid to do it. and his singular goal is bringing the parties together and forging bipartisan compromise. that's kind of hard if the republican leadership is basically saying, we're going to kill the 1/6 commission. we're going to kill this bill. when joe manchin says, this is the one thing you need to get out of the way and don't break the arms of your republican members. this isn't about republicans or democrats, this is about

america. >> manchin is kind of a throwback to an older style in washington when there were a bunch of blue dog democrats and members, you know, who had been there for a while and knew each other and socialized and had relationships, you know, to use the across the aisle washington phrase that used to mean something. it doesn't really mean anything right now. and i agree with heilemann that mcconnell is taking a risk in endangering that relationship that he has with manchin. manchin cannot believe him. cannot believe republicans, just on this basic level, that they want to participate in

governance, in a responsible way. you know, he might just change his mind. i mean, it would be manchin-esque for him ultimately to do that. and so i -- so this is a dangerous thing that mcconnell is doing, especially whipping the vote. it would be one thing if he just said, you know, up to your conscience and then would let ron johnson obviously would vote against it, but to whip the vote the way he is doing is really a slap in manchin's face and that's not a good thing for mcconnell to do. >> gene, thank you. john heilemann and adrienne elrod, thank you both as well for being on this morning. and still ahead on "morning joe," amid ongoing questions about the origins of coronavirus, america's top general criticizes china for

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chairman general mark milley called china's lack of transparency, quote, disturbing. as for the fight against the virus, california is getting into the vaccine lottery game. governor gavin newsom announced people could win up to $1.5 million in a lottery as part of an effort to convince more state residents to get their covid shots. ten californians who got at least one dose will split a $15 million pot on june 15th. those already vaccinated will be automatically entered for chances to win a -- to win $50,000. winners must complete their vaccination to claim the prize. so that means you have to get both shots, if it's the two-shot shot. so donny, good branding exercise? they should have done this a long time ago, i think. >> it's great. there's two ways to sell something. if i were to sell this phone, i would say, buy this phone, it's

great, the quality is great. and then there's the promotion. saying, buy this phone and i'll give you a case free or $10 off. and that's simple motivation. there's nothing wrong with it. the difference between a branded message and a promotional message. one final thought, circling back to the last half hour, i was so struck that we were talking about the insurrection and the infrastructure. the most simplistic branding of these two parties, the republicans are construct, the republicans are destruct. build up, tear down. reinvigorate. it's so stunning as we report and analyze how simplistic the two brands are right now. >> yeah, it really is. we want to turn now to the mental health toll of the pandemic. a recent report from the government accountability office found that while behavioral health issues have increased during the pandemic, access to in-person services decreased. consider what's happening in massachusetts. where a shortage of mental

health beds has kept children stuck inside emergency rooms. officials say the average wait time for children for a hospital-based psychiatric care is six days. but many parents report spending weeks with their children in hospital hallways or overflow rooms because psychiatric units are full. joining us now, senior child and adolescent psychologist at mcclain hospital, dr. jilian gayle. she's an instructor in psychology at harvard. also the co-author of "dbt for dummies," which is just out. also with us, dr. dave campbell. >> thank you all so much for being with us. jilian, what's so troubling to me about this, about this spate of stories coming out of massachusetts and i'm sure across the rest of the united states, we've been talking about the mental health crisis, especially in youth growing for some time.

but massachusetts funds mental health far better than most states. if this is happening in massachusetts, how dire must the situation be in so many other states are across the country. >> we're seeing a huge influx in need. we're looking at anxiety in children and adults is up. still struggling to help and support the front line mental health workers through ptsd and teachers. suicide attempts and drug overdoses in the emergency rooms. this is going to be a huge, huge problem for us to tackle. the incidence of boarding is up 200 to 400%. reports on mondays, they says for this every monday, they're saying up to 500 people in the

state, children and adults are waiting in the er, for psychiatric beds that just aren't there. >> so, just putting this in human terms. if you're watching, if your child, if your adolescent is having severe mental problems and you're afraid they may be suicidal or have had a suicide attempt, you may not have a bed. you may be sitting in the emergency room for up to a week. there's another part of this challenge. you have warned us that we could expect the mental health crisis to explode, even among health care workers. even if we had enough beds for these children, for these adolescents, for these teenagers, for these young adults, where would we find an adequate amount of staffing? >> well, that's going to be the next challenge that we'll have to face. we can fund beds in massachusetts is opening beds, really as quickly as they can. but we can't find the staff to

work for them. we can't -- we're short on psychiatrists, we're short certainly on child psychiatrists, nurses, and our bachelor's level counselors that really help hold these units together. you know, what's happening is, those -- people are also getting stuck in these in-patient units, because there's no stepdowns. we're short on residential beds. we have excessive long waits for partial hospital programs. and there aren't enough outpatient therapists to help people in the community. >> so dr. dave, you've been looking into this, and i would say the next place where this problem goes is into the nation's schools. there have been a lot of politicians in the campaigns, presidential campaign, who have been talking about social, emotional training in schools, needing teachers to be equipped with dbt skills, so they can help handle this type of crisis. they're going to be getting students who have been isolated for a year and any problems

they're having exacerbated by the events of the past year. >> that's true. in this mental health crisis has been brewing for two decades. the pandemic, of course, exacerbated it beyond anybody's wildest fears. and when we look at students in particular, we all probably know somebody who's either come home, stayed home, done remote learning. it's been countrywide now for the past 15 to 16 months. and we're looking at the fall where colleges in particular and most schools will be opening up to in-person learning and we'll take this giant population of young adults and reexpose them to the socialization that we've had before that so my interpretation of the research that's out and the experts that

parents and family and friends play a huge role in preparing students to return to school in the fall. it's important mental health professionals are key. it's important to have continuity of care, where healthy professionals and treatment plans continue for the most part, similarly as the fall opens up. but this summer is a great opportunity for families to sit down and rye to teach their kids the skills that they will need perhaps when they go back to college. how to cook. how to change a tire how to do things that will be needed. finances are particularly important for the kids to consider. so we all have a role to play here. mental health counselors, the federal government, the american rescue plan. but parents, families, and friends also, mika.

>> and dr. dave, you're looking at the suicide rate, which is expected to arrive. i'm also told to watch the number of dropouts that we're going to see. >> you know, mika, when we go to medical school, and really, every doctor across the country would realize that part of that we do in treating patients is keep an eye out for those individuals who have some suicide risk. we're all different specialist, i'm a spine surgery, so you would think, what do i know about that. but we all know it's important to try to learn about individual patients, who might have some of the risk factors, whether they're substance use disorders or depressive syndromes or anxiety. things that we learn thousand watch for. but we're not good at it. we've seen that the accuracy rate for predicting suicide,

successful, tragic suicide very is very low. politically you would think, how in the heck will politics into this. the american rescue plan, this $1.9 trillion bill that passed to provide some covid relief has within it some of the factors that may address population-based risks versus the individual risks that we look at as doctors. so i think it's an exciting time. and now we have some of the resources in place to help. and again, back to suicide, mental health crises. clearly, they are all one big problem that we need to pay attention to as parents, educators, and everybody that's many this country has a role to play, mika. >> and jillian, really quickly, tell me about -- let's update -- update us on the mental health worker crisis that you were so concerned about a year ago. are you really starting to see that now or is that something that you think will just be with

us for a while? >> i think this is going to be something that's going to be with us for a while. you know, what mental health workers and front line workers and regular health workers have gone through and endured over a period of time of time has just, it will have tremendous impact. and those are things that we can treat, but they take time. i think we're looking at a couple of years for us to really catch up and support the people in the medical profession that helped us through this pandemic. and i think we'll see a surge in teachers, as well. >> dr. jillian galen and dave campbell. dr. galen is a lead author of the book "dbt for dummies" and we appreciate you both being on today. our next guest is also a colleague who stepped back from the anchor desk to take care of his ailing dad and that's what sparked his new project on what

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during the month of may, we honor military caregivers. and heading into memorial day weekend, we're taking a look at the millions of children and young adults who take care of veterans with a disability in their families. the documentary eye sky blossom diaries of the next greatest generation" takes an intimate look into the lives of these young heros. >> is this it right here, this one? i think it's in one. >> yeah. >> i make sure my grandfather is comfortable at all times, not too hot, not too cold, almost like a little butler in a way. >> here. i got your ears for you. >> put them over here on the table. >> you want them over there?

>> yeah. so i can put them in later. >> okay. >> it's about the love and the care and you just have to make sure that you're showing it. >> i love it. joining us now is the film's director, msnbc's richard lui. great timing for this, as well. tell us what inspired it and what people can learn from this. >> mika, good morning. yeah, as we looked at this film and while we might do it, certainly, the more than 5 million caregivers, family caregivers of military families. and as i was looking at my own care giving journey, as you and i have talked about before, my father is from a military family, my mom is from a military family. what that meant to me, as i was taking care of my dad who has been dealing with alzheimer's for a number of years, how do we talk about this culturally? we don't. we really don't talk about it. so we dove into this five-year project. we were filming for about three years here, mika, staying with five different families.

and you saw in that clip the greer family based in pennsylvania. but we were in the midwest, the south, the east, the west and the pacific islands. what we did is we looked at families that are both latino, black, native american, asian-american and white american and the one thing they all have in common here, mika, is that they all care for people and they all happen to be age 11 to 26. >> wow. young and learning so much. in terms of your journey, as well, i love how much you learned about yourself and your relationship with your father. did you see a lot of synergy with the people that you met working on this project? >> yes. you know, mika, as a family caregiver, you understand this, too. we have this thing. it's a sixth sense. you say hello. it's a virtual hug right now, but if you're there in person, you have a certain sort of handshake. and i certainly felt that way. what surprised me was the support for the very idea.

i knew that we would all care about this, right? but when i sat down with each and every one of these young caregivers, age 11 to 26, i'm kind ooh an older guy. and i wasn't sure when we do these interviews whether we would have that sync. but sure enough, there was that secret handshake, if you will, and they really let out. we didn't use it all. many of them got quite emotional and revealed things you might never expect. but the big thing here, mika, is everybody stood up for the project. it's a not for profit film. over $1 million in inkind donations for this film. it's a $3 million project, but over a million. so we were very, very surprised. and on top of this, this is a topic that is close to your heart on "morning joe" is we did get bipartisan support. we had at the time the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell as well as speaker of the house

nancy pelosi both knowingly signing on together along with ten other members as honorary co-chairs of the film. so it brought a lot of different communities together. >> sky blossom is now available to own on dvd and digital nationwide. its broadcast premier will be tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. richard lui, thank you so much. congratulations for this great work. >> thank you, mika. and still ahead, the mother of a fallen capitol police officer urges republican senators to support a commission to investigate the capitol riot. but did her words have any impact? plus, a debate of much less importance, but what was the talk of people's twitter feeds yesterday? was this the greatest base running move ever or the worst case of fielding ever? that's the question "morning joe" tackles in just a moment. ug joe" tackles in just a moment.

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i can't imagine anyone voting against the establishing of a commission on the greatest assault since the civil war on the capitol. but at any rate, i came for ice cream. >> i call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. thank you. now watch this drive. >> okay. >> miss that guy. >> great moments. >> look at that swing. it's a good swing. >> serious political point. yes, a good swing. >> when you go there, you go there to do something and people ask you a question, you're kind enough to answer the question and then you eat your ice cream or make your drive. >> good morning. it is friday, may 28th. it is friday, everybody. >> it is friday, yay. >> with us, we have eugene

robinson, white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lamere is with us and the co-founder of axios, mike allen. wait for it. wait for it. how are you doing, mike? >> happy holiday friday. >> okay. >> happy holiday friday. i'll tell you what, one thing, though, it was not a happy thursday yesterday for a couple of pittsburgh pirates. jonathan lamere, this video has gone viral. it's something to show, actually, any 9-year-old kid what to do. two outs. here you go. you get the ball, you step on the back and he's over. for those who don't know baseball, if you tag this guy, the inning is over. it doesn't matter if that guy scores or not, the score doesn't count. you just tag the runner and he's out because that's the forced play. yet, jonathan, seriously, this is bad news bears break

training. and go to pittsburgh. i don't think i've -- i don't think i've ever seen -- i feel so bad for these kids on the pirates. i just -- -- i tell you, i've been coaching jack since he was 9 years old. and my assistant coach, brian and i, we would have gone crazy. we just screamed, touch the bag, touch the bag. it's like nothing i've ever seen. >> there were two outs. this clip was everywhere yesterday. it broke through not just among nonbaseball fans, but nonsports fans. there was an hour where it seemed like my twitter feed was nothing but this video. and the same, joe, i'm an assistant coach on my son's 9-year-old team. the huskies, they would have gotten an out on this play. and credit to javi baez. it's creative. it's kind of turning around and going backwards. every instinct that they told

you, run to first base, he decides to go backwards and the pirates first baseman had a brain lock and now we have a highlight or lowlight for the ages. >> can you freeze this right here. can we just freeze it right there. so go back just a little bit. so here is the thing. again, if you don't know baseball, here is -- the only thing you need to know with baseball, can you bring it back a couple where -- yeah, look at this. so this is all you need to know. the guy who is by the plate, he is the third out, right? he is what you call in baseball the force out. this guy right here, he's got the ball. gene robinson, if he chose to, he could have just said hi to the guy going past home plate. and he could have sat there and he could have asked baez -- because he was in the base path and baez couldn't go anywhere. it would have been one of the

greatest moments in baseball history where he's holding the ball, he waves to the guy and goes thanks for running, but i'm going to talk to javi right now about shakespeare. is it hamlet, is it king rear? i don't know. there's so many to choose from. do you like his sonets? and javi would either have to sit there and listen to him talk about shakespeare or just give up and say tag me, it's over, because the only thing that matters is that you just stood there and tagged him, right there. i mean, how -- i don't know, team, please, help me. i'm james brown. i've fallen down on the floor. you need to put a cape over me and walk me off the stage. >> i think we do, joe. but, you know, somebody said brain lock. that's exactly what it was. how do you node step on the bag with the ball. >> just talk to him.

>> oh, my god. >> all right, gentlemen, this has been fun. >> this looks like when i was going to see the atlanta braves in the mid 1970s where there are 4,000 people there. i called it the pat rocket era. pat rocket was a shortstop and they were growing chicken weed in the infield. i think what we should do is we should get a collection. we know rich people, like people that work at axios, i think we should just pass the cap around this morning. everybody throw in a couple of dollars and we should buy the pittsburgh pirates and go over there and maybe get a couple little league coaches and teach them how to do it, mika. >> joe and jonathan lamere can coach them. okay. everybody, let's get to the news. a new poll shows nearly three-40s of republicans are ready to close the books on the january 6th insurrections. a new quinnipiac poll shows 74% of republicans say it's time to move on. that's compared to 84 -- >> wait, wait, wait, let's see

here. it's may 28th. this is, what, how many months? four months, five months after the insurrection? what if in -- i'm wondering, gene robinson, what if in like january of 2002, democrats said, you know what? we need to just move past 9/11. >> yeah. just move past it. nothing to see here. it's incredible. it's just another example of the sort of fantasy world, dystopian fantasy world that the republican party is living in now. and, you know, they don't want to think about that because that was a bad thing for them and a bad thing for their guy, who incited the whole thing, donald trump. so let's just act like it never happened. it's just -- it's astonishing. astonishing. >> if the tables were turned -- >> your political parties to

have lost its mind to that extent. >> yeah. if the tables were turned, they would be telling the truth and also pointing out how this weakens us around the world, especially our national security. a weakness from within that they could promulgate and grow. it's compared to 84% of democrats and 54% of independents who say the events of that day should never be forgotten. that 74% was likely what was behind a marathon session in the senate overnight as republicans stalled a crucial vote on the january 6th commission. republicans were on the senate floor until just before 3:00 this morning debating an unrelated bill to delay the vote. now the vote isn't expected until possibly later today. 60 votes are needed for the independent january 6th commission to move forward. so far, only three republicans, three, have expressed their support. senator lisa murkowski, the only

republican backing the january 6th commission bill as is. and she expressed her disappointment in her colleagues' attempts to block the vote. >> it's important that there be a focus on the facts, and on the truth. and that may be unsettling, but we need to understand that. we just can't pretend that nothing bad happened or that people just request got too excitable. something bad happened. and it's important to lay that out. i think there's more to be learned. i want to know more. and i'm -- i want to know and i don't want to know. i don't want to know, but i need to know. >> there's so much to find out and there's so much misinformation out there, some of the misinformation is easily dismissed where you have people saying on the trump right that

it was antifa. it clearly was not antifa, and none other than kevin mccarthy screamed and swore at donald trump as the insurrection was going down saying this is not antifa. these are your people here. these are your people here. so that lie continues to spread, of course, throughout the trump right. and there are -- otherwise, it was really sort of peaceful demonstrators, nothing to see here. the ron johnson claim, oh, there was nothing to be worried about. well, police officers were being beaten and brutalized within an inch of their lives. mike allen, what i don't really understand is, you know, you and i both, we've been around the hill long enough, we know that a lot of times let him will say, hey, listen, joe, you know what? i would like to have your vote here. this is a vote of conscious. so you do what you want to do, but we really -- that happens a lot of times in votes like this.

certainly mitch mcconnell said that during impeachment. vote of conscious, you do what you feel like you need to do. what i don't understand, why has mitch mcconnell, based on all the reporting i've seen, mitch mcconnell is telling republicans, i need your vote. i need your vote. what is it about this commission that he fears? why is it that he's -- instead of just saying vote your conscious like he did on impeachment, why is he now doing everything short of demanding their support? >> it's a little difficult to compete with zip recruiter baseball, but if you look at this, there's two things going on here. and, you know, with senator mcconnell, he's thinking how can i rebuild my majority inspect how am i going to recruit the candidates that i need to get back the senate majority looking

ahead to next cycles. so something that to most of the republicans that you served with and that we've covered over the years, this would seem like a no-brainer. you've pointed out again and again on the show why this commission is needed. but this is one of the ones where they're whipping and pushing as opposed to vote your conscious. and we have a little new reporting on possible fallout from this vote. so senator joe manchon, everybody is trying to read his mind. he's been very strong in saying that republicans should be for this commission. we've talked to some democrats who think that this expected vote by republicans trying to kill this commission, that that is a new wedge that democrats can use with manchon to say to him, you're being schooled. you're being played by republicans. they are not voting, arguing in good faith here. this commission is proof of it and because of that, you should

soften your view on the filibuster. move toward a senate where democrats can get their way in a 50/50 senate. vice president harris breaking the tie instead of right now where you need ten republicans to get something real. >> and still ahead -- >> no one hates donald trump more than mitch mcconnell because donald trump helped cause the loss of mitch mcconnell's majority and he hates -- >> in the words of senator michael bennet, no one hates donald trump more than mitch mcconnell. so why does the minority leader continue to give him cover? we'll talk about that. but first, here is bill carin wes a check on the forecast. bill. >> mika, i wish i had better news for people, especially on the eastern seaboard. this is an ugly memorial day weekend forecast. i feel bad for all the business owners that were hoping for the restaurants to be full and the hotels. they're going to lose a vltd of revenue. so let's get to it. the storm system we're talking

about right now is in areas heading through the tennessee valley, a little bits in the areas of louisiana and it's starting to move through the midwest. so it's begin to go slide to the east. by the time we get through this afternoon, we quickly see rain breaking out all through areas of pennsylvania, southern new york, virginia, west virginia, and then by about 5:00 to 6:00 p.m., the rain moves into new york city. d.c., rain and thunderstorms by about 3:00 or 4:00 this afternoon. the evening rush hour will be wet with delays and the airport could have delays, also. so not a fun evening for the getaway weekend in the northeast. by the time you wake up saturday morning, the heavy rain is over with, but then it's cloudy and chilly. it will be damp with occasional rain through virginia, richmond, d.c. it's not going to be all that wet in boston, but chilly with a light breeze. and sunday, the rain returns to new england. an ugly weekend. finally, by the 250i78 we get to monday, we try to dry it out for just about everyone. maybe at least monday you can

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jonathan lamere, i think it was senator bennet who said nobody hates donald trump more than mitch mcconnell. he's probably right there. and so it leads me -- i mean, you know, obviously, if you looked at what mitch mcconnell said on january 6th, if you saw what mitch mcconnell said about

impeachment, do what you feel like you need to do on impeachment. if you saw what he said after his vote on impeachment, it's very clear he doesn't like donald trump. anything he's doing is not to protect donald trump. i'm just wondering, again, for those who were trying to figure out why does the republican leader in the senate doing this, i'm wording if the whole thing is let's get donald trump behind us. i don't want to spend the next year, year and a half figuring out how much donald trump was laughing at the white house when he was seeing pictures of american cops being beaten up with american flags, i don't want to have to answer for donald trump not calling in the national guard fast enough.

>> he thinks this is the best move for his caucus because of what you said. he doesn't want this to turn into a months long odyssey. we heard from the capitol police officer who was killed there. those are not headlines good for the republicans who had senators object to the election results.

we know speaker pelosi has other options. it could be a select committee, it could be the power of the subpoena. but the republicans' objection to this is what led to last night when senator ron johnson said he would be far more worried if it was black lives matters protesters storming the capitol as opposed to this pro trump rye yosts. .he's the one that held up the proceedings and didn't get to votes because he was trying to pull a stunt about the border wall. so the republicans, again, they're taking their orders from mitch mcconnell, but it all exists under the shadow of donald trump. that's still what they're concerned about because of the grip he has on the party. coming up, a grieving mother challenges congress to do the right thing. what gladys sicknick says about her fallen son and the continued whitewashing of the rye yost on the capitol. ashing of the rye y the capitol.

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family members and colleagues of fallen officer brian sicknick were on capitol hill yesterday plead, republican senators to support a commission to investigate the attack of the capitol. gladys sicknick, the mother of officer sicknick spoke with reporters about those meetings.

>> hear senators who do not support this commission and what emotions do you feel n with that? >> this is why i'm here today. usually i stay in the background and i couldn't stay quiet any more. >> can you describe what you said in your letter with the gop leaders to meet with them? did you call it a slap in the face? >> yes, i did. because they put their lives on the line. >> what are you hoping will be on their minds when they vote on this commission? >> the country. this was to uphold the constitution, and right now i don't think they're doing it. >> it's a grieving mother. the deceased officer's partner, grieving, but doing what she believes she has to do not only for this country, but also for the memory of her son who served in uniform to protect this

country. >> she's so plain spoken because it's so obvious. and her loss is -- >> and to protect the very men and women who are now abandoning him. it has to be heartbreaking for her. >> joining us now, former chief of staff to the dccc, adrian rod. she recently worked for the biden campaign. it's good to have you back on the show. what can democrats do at this point to bring more republicans on board, at least for this? >> you know, mika, i don't know, honestly. i'm baffled by this. i spent ten years working on the hill back in the time when democrats and republicans worked together, when bipartisan ship was the name of the game, it's very constant. and i think he made a smart point earlier when you said this could away chance for republicans to finally start to break free from donald trump, who is holding the republican

party hostage, who has continued to hold the republican party hostage by voting for this bill. i mean, it's just -- it's hard to just not think -- it's almost unthinkable to think about the fact that we cannot get -- the senate cannot get a bipartisan bill passed when you show those images. we can never forget what happened on january 6th. to turn a blind eye to that and for mitch mcconnell to say oh, i don't want to deal with how trump is going to react to this bill if i pass it, if my caucus supports it for the next year and a half. he's a coward. he's a chicken. the fact that these guys are not willing to stand up for law enforcement, not willing to stand up for those who lost their lives, it's so emotional to watch officer sicknick's mother who clearly is a private citizen but felt the need to come forward and in the name of her son and his life, you know,

fight for this -- this legislation to get passed. so i say this. i don't think -- i don't know what democrats can do. what i will say is i think we're probably going to be looking at a select committee. i think that that -- you know, that there is still plenty of things that democrats and the handful of republicans who may support this can do to try to get to the bottom of what actually happened. but i think we might be able to get a select committee. and sadly, we're not going be looking at a way for democrats and republicans to come together and make a statement that they stand against anything like this happening, what we saw happen on january 6th from ever happening again. coming up, live pictures from new york city where the race form mayor is heating up. we'll get a breakdown of where things stand next on "morning joe."

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he. 33 past the hour. the "new york times" has called it perhaps the most consequential mayoral contest in a generation. new yorkers will vote for their candidate on june 22nd, the primary, and whoever wins that contest will likely be the next leader of america's largest city. kathryn garcia narrowly leads the pack after big endorsements of the editorial boards by both the "new york times" and the "new york daily news." and scott stringer remains a factor with a 10% of the vote, despite sexual assault allegations that led to a string of dropped endorsements. they are allegations he denies.

also with us, susan delpercio and rev rental sharpton. good to have you all with us. >> so good to have you with us on this new york one segment. erin, i've been fascinated by the coverage of what's happened with scott stringer, a guy i don't know and haven't really followed him closely in politics. but i've seen a lot of articles -- i saw yours and then i started looking in the nation, that intercept a lot of progressive publications are saying, wait a second, we jumped way too fast. the nation said rush to go judgment on scott stringer. we cannot flourish and ruins a

30-year career in politics. more information may clarify number webs but as of now we don't have them. they seemed to put the story in the terror read category, casting doubts on the allegations, casting doubts that she knew him before 2001, she wasn't an intern during the campaign, she didn't tell anybody contemporaneously. she gathered signatures for andrew yang earlier this year. so you have people left of center going, wait a second, maybe wuft jumped too quickly and allowed one allegation where there are inconsistencies to up end a 30-year career. talk about your reporting on this. yeah. you know, so after these allegations came out, the working families party, a number of state legislators who are young, progressive, new commerce who have given the campaign some energy pulled out of this

campaign and now some of them -- not all, but congressman bowman, for instance, says said, you know, sometimes i regret it because i did like him. and just as importantly, he was the best progressive shot to actually become mayor. some of these other folks are saying i still think it's the right thing to do. they may still think it was the right thing to do, but now they're saying, wait a second, he was the best shot. the left is not united around another person. they haven't picked an alternative. so now they think, you know, it is more likely that a moderate like andrew yang or eric is going to become mayor as a result of this whole controversy. >> and, susan del percio, believe all women certainly didn't apply to the story of -- i'm sorry, didn't apply to tara reed. there were insistencies in that

story. a lot of people looked at that and said, you know, we just don't know. it may not pass the sniff test. and as liberals, progressives have looked more closely at this the story, they're saying there are a lot of inconsistencies here. everything i see in the "new york times," if they have his picture, sexual assault or sexual allegations, that is the first thing they lead with. you would think this guy has done nothing else his entire career except go around sexually assaulting people and it's been put at the forefront over and over again in a way, let's face it, that it wasn't when it came to the tara reed allegations because, again, there seem to be inconsistencies in both stories. >> yeah. and what's important here is when you're looking at scott stringer, who i have known over the years, there was no follow-up.

when we look at what happened with andrew cuomo, we had the bullying story, then the sexual harassment story, this is all we've heard on scott stringer. there were insistencies and there were questions being asked. you know, it doesn't seem to have completely unpinned him as of today in that his ads are running, he has money, he's running the campaign. it's just that he has now -- maybe he was -- you know, the media has hurt him initially, but other people are overtaking them based on competence. that's what we're seeing in the new york city race. they're looking towards garcia or adams because they have experience without necessarily that luggage. >> yeah. i love you, reverend al. you obviously know all the players here. i'm curious what your reaction is to this nation statement, we

cannot flourish the society. if a single allegation ruins a 30-year career in politics, more information may clarify matters, but as of now, we don't have it. >> i think that many voters are going to look at this and say, well, there's insistencies, we don't know, and that stringer does have a 30-year career that has done certain things. i think absolutely it would be something that they would consider. stringer has even had inroads in the black a community. the photos that you're using of him. i think his competition was mcguire who really established himself as one that has management skills and competence and a lot of black voters are

gravitating that way. but i don't think he's been upended awl, but hinge i say competition is more mcguire than people think. >> he told reporters yesterday what he would do if he did not receive this endorsement. he said, quote, i'm going to be just like my son when he was first born. i'm going on wake up and cry and go back to sleep and cry some more. reverend al, baby, that is some pressure on you. you're not going let this man down, are you? >> well, i mean, you know, my daughter endorsed eric. i've known eric 37 years and he's been there for a lot of issues. but so has ray mcguire. so has miley. i'm going the wait and see what happens. >> wow, that's hard. >> they have not had the last two debates. i'm very concerned, talking about crying, with about how this city comes back after pandemic. i'm concerned that a lot of our

small businesses are growing. so i'm more concerned between those that i've known like mcguire for years or eric who certainly i've known and has been there with us for years. and others. i'm more concerned with who can help dig us out of this mess and manage the city and keep business in the city and jobs in the city than i am about my old friendships. and i respect that i don't want to see eric cry, but i don't want to be crying the next four years if we get the wrong mayor. >> so erin, it's interesting -- >> ouch. >> we don't know yet. he's waiting. >> i know. >> erin, a lot of people that don't know new york city, the poll about the top priorities. very interesting, i've always been fascinated by when it comes to issues, how i think pragmatic

democrats in new york city who many people consider to be wait, wait, wait, wait left of center, they're just not. they're pragmatic. crime at the top of that list, twice as many people interested in crime in the democratic primary as police reform. explain that to people who may not follow new york politics closely. >> yeah. well, you know, there's been a significant spike in shootings and in gun violence recently. and that is foremost on a lot of people's minds in a lot of neighborhoods. people are really not feeling safe at this point. and there's a question of how do you balance tackling the rise in crime with police reform. but if you look at it, theed cans who generally have been doing the best, yang, adams, now kathryn garcia are folks who oppose the defund the police movement. adams in particular, a former

nypd officer himself has been stressing tackling this increasing crime and has been getting traction that way saying, you know, we can't abandon public safety and we need to zero in on this. and democrats in new york city run the gammit from far left and just being concerned about policy and public life. >> susan, it is going to be so interesting with, you know, ranking the choices. and i sit and i wonder, you know, we look at our friend, for instance, mya wylie who we've had on the show a good bit and look at some of the other candidates. and you just wonder, do they have a shot if enough people -- may not be ranking them first, but what if mya or what if some of these other candidates get a lot of second or third place votes? could that make the difference for them? >> it could, joe. number two is going to be very important in this primary. but one thing that i think we

should all be prepared for is that we probably won't know the results of the primary for a very long time. is this going to make iowa look like a cake walk as far as a primary goes. they are not using the algorithms that are provided by computer software. that means all of these ballots are going on be shipped to a warehouse and decided and placed by hand. and you know there's going to have to be a second recount. so we may not know the results of this until sometime in mid-july. >> reverend al, why is it that new york runs their elections from like 1874? seriously. we've been talking about georgia and florida and all these other states, but new york, every friend i talk to in new york has said, how r how is it going inspect no 2020, they're like, oh, i've been standing in line for four hours. why is new york to backwards when it comes to voting? >> because the powers that be

that try to maintain themselves in power were clearly trying to set up a system that would make it as complicated as it is so they can maintain power. and that's why people running against that system have always had a problem. i think it's atrocious that we will not even see -- it is unlikely any candidate will get 50% on yun 22nd. which means they're not going to start counting untilul. we're going to have all kinds of lawsuits and accusations. in the middle of that, people are trying to come out of a pandemic. i think eric adams' strength is he's talked about public safety two weeks after i did the funeral for george floyd, i did a 1-year-old kid's funeral in brooklyn who had been shot in gunfire. so we have real problems here with the powers that be. people are suffering.

homelessness is on the increase. you have people that have mental issues as walking the streets. we need people what can manage and run this city. if you can't manage an election, how are you going to run the city? >> can you imagine if georgia's new voting laws, for example, we're going to take on votes, send them off and you're not going to find out for like a month. our friend in west chester who got elected, the da there, my god, amy rook -- >> mimi. >> mimi roka, i would check in like three years later going i wonder if mimi won that race or not. they were still like 2% of the vote counted. like three weeks later. again, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. nobody from new york state should be criticizing any other state how they run their

elections. like the rev said, this is atrocious. it's a joke. >> new york is the worst run election state in the country. our election process is ridiculous. we have a state board of elections, we have a city board of elections. the two barely talk. the city is run by political operatives, literally. you get one republican appointment, one democrat appointment. that's the way it works. it is absurd that we are still working like this. and i am just saying, this rank choice voting, we probably should have had a better dry run before we did it in the new york city primary. because the stakes are so high. the next mayor -- it's not even going to be this next year. it will be the years after are going to have to deal with so many issues that the fact that we can't even run an vection, what faith are people going to have in our government.

>> eric will be watching very closely. and the coauthor of politico's new york playbook, erin durkin, thank you very much for being on, as well. up next, 37 million people will get away this holiday weekend. the threat of covid has diminished, but it's not disappeared. an update on what that means for the nation, next on "morning joe." at means for the nation, next on "morning joe. hi sabrina! hi jen! hi. so you're the scientist here. does my aveeno® daily moisturizer really make my dry skin healthier in one day? it's true jen. really?! this prebiotic oat formula moisturizes to help prevent dry skin. impressive! aveeno® healthy. it's our nature. my nunormal? fewer asthma attacks with nucala. a once-monthly add-on injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. nucala reduces eosinophils, a key cause of severe asthma. nucala is not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred.

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many americans are feeling confident about travel heading into the holiday weekend with more than 165 million having received at least one dose of the vaccine. nbc news correspondent morgan radford has more. >> finally the wait is over. >> reporter: abigail is a millionaire, just for getting vaccinated. >> i still can't believe it. >> reporter: she became the first winner of ohio's million dollar vaccination jackpot. >> it feels like this is happening to a different person. >> reporter: and 14-year-old joseph costello won a full ride college scholarship. >> i was very happy about it. >> reporter: the ohio lottery, just one of several state incentives to get people vaccinated, as travel ramps up to prehaem levels ahead of the holiday weekend. you feel comfortable traveling right now? >> i do. i have been traveling over the last year. i feel pretty safe, yeah. >> reporter: travel experts predict 37 million people will get away this weekend, with nearly 2.5 million americans

boarding airplanes, up almost 600% from this time last year. >> we expect this week to be 115,000, 120,000 passengers each day. >> reporter: miami international airport offering on-site vaccinations for travelers. this as more states lift mask restrictions across the country. new jersey will no longer require masks indoors starting friday, just a day before massachusetts fully reopens. new york sending mobile vaccination buses to the beach. as connecticut's governor encourages people to enjoy the summer. >> today i'm telling you, get out of the damn house. >> reporter: but not everyone is totally ready to return to normal. >> if people were social distancing, wearing a mask, then i won't be in that area. >> nbc's morgan radford with that report. we want to turn something we've been gearing up towards for several weeks now from the hallowed halls of democracy to the frontlines of the global

pandemic, women over 50, having their moment. that's why "forbes" and "know your value" have teamed up for a special 50 over 50 initiative to celebrate women who have achieved notable success at midlife and way beyond. we shined a light on women like this, bright light. remarkable women from capitol hill to our schools and hospitals, all the way to the boardroom. from the women fighting for human rights to those who are champions for education, working to improve our collective mental health and spearheading the covid vaccine rollout. the women fighting to save the environment, protecting our voting rights, and pushing for immigration reform. and let's not forget those fighting for equal pay or pioneers in the fight for civil rights. the women who are breaking the corporate glass ceiling. it came out of nowhere to get elected, some of them, and they ran for president. for these dynamics women,

growing older is about getting stronger, wiser and better and bolder. next week we're going to meet the inaugural class of entrepreneurs, leaders and creators who will headline the first 50 over 50 list for "forbes," selected from over 10,000 nominees. the women we've been profiling over the last few weeks are not necessarily on the list. that we will find out next week. let's bring in chief content officer of "forbes" media and editor of "forbes" randall lane. randall, i really enjoyed working on this with you. we've learned so much and met so many amazing women. tell me how the response and how this rollout compares to the rollout of some of your much more notable lists. >> this is immediately one of our most notable lists. the reaction's been incredible. mika talks so incredibly about

women having a moment so next week we're going to have several moments to crystallize what's going on here. it's more than the enthusiasm, it's the recognition that finally somebody is looking at this incredible american resource, which is women with wisdom, experience and now increasing time and flexibility to create great things. to honor them, it's been very overwhelming. >> it's been an incredible process for me. i have a lot of women concerned about their age over the years and back when i was in my 30s and 40s, i knew women didn't really want to share their age. in this case we had a lot of women who wanted to be on the list and didn't qualify because they were too young. i envision and i see a new confidence in women over 50, 60 and 70. first of all, try and push us out, and we will run you over. they're confident. they're not to be messed with. they want to get the job done and they're having amazing

impact. really making a difference in this world, across all platform and industries. >> when you talk about impact, what you're looking for the criteria was you had not just your powerful but greatest over 50 and purpose to what they did and scale. and all 50 we have on this inaugural list, have all three of those and more. >> yep. the message for younger women, you got a long runway. thanks to the women we're going to meet next week on this incredible inaugural "forbes" 50 over 50 list. randall lane, thank you very much. we will see you next week on "morning joe" when we reveal the "forbes" 50 over 50 list, complete with key interviews with some of the biggest names who are on the inspiring side of 50. joe, i've had so much fun with this, as you know. >> i know, it's really inspiring. it's extraordinary too and

people assume when they see the list just how the power of these women over 50, something even 20, 30 years ago you couldn't imagine but you look around and people running our economy, running the economy across the world, running the eu, running so many powerful institutions. it's really, really inspiring. so i can't wait and it's -- it's going to be an interesting week next week, mika. we've got a lot to be talking about. we're going to see which direction republicans are going to go, whether they're going to make a deal on 1/6, whether they're going to make a deal on infrastructure, whether they're going to make a deal on police reform. i'm hopeful that bipartisanship may break out and you may have republicans and democrats working together, doing what's best for this country. fingers crossed. right now it doesn't look great on a lot of fronts but hope springs eternal. do it for the country, country

over party. >> we will be working monday morning, so we will see you there and also i'm heading to new york. i'm kind of excited about that. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hi, there, i'm stephanie ruhle. it is friday, may 28th, memorial day weekend is upon us. and here's what's happening now. as we come on the air, the senate is back in session, soon set to take up the january 6th commission vote. as gaveling out just a few hours ago in the middle of the night, republicans still seem set on blocking it, despite pleas from officer brian sicknick's family to back it. and breaking news overnight about those russian hackers behind that massive solar winds hack. guess what? they're still at it and targeting 150 u.s. government agencies. and the rails, beaches and skies will be