morning, so we will see you there and also i'm heading to new york. i'm kind of excited about that. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hi, there, i'm stephanie ruhle. it is friday, may 28th, memorial day weekend is upon us. and here's what's happening now. as we come on the air, the senate is back in session, soon set to take up the january 6th commission vote. as gaveling out just a few hours ago in the middle of the night, republicans still seem set on blocking it, despite pleas from officer brian sicknick's family to back it. and breaking news overnight about those russian hackers behind that massive solar winds hack. guess what? they're still at it and targeting 150 u.s. government agencies. and the rails, beaches and skies will be packed this

weekend. the first holiday weekend with half of americans vaccinated. we're covering all of that with our reporters coast to coast. but i want to start in washington, d.c., sahil kippur on capitol hill, yamiche alcindor, white house correspondent for "pbs newshour" and "washington week." and carol leon ig, her new book just came out, "the rise and fall of the secret service." let's start with what's going on on capitol hill, gaveling out at 3:00 a.m. what's going on in the senate? >> chaos, i can think of other words but let me walk through it briefly. they were set to vote and a chinese competitive package that was written by chuck schumer the democrat and todd young the republican. it has deep bipartisan buy-in from the start. the senate faced a number of

curveballs yesterday that delayed passage. the first was from republican mike crapo who demanded a vote on an amendment and finally got it. it looked ready to pass when out of nowhere another curveball came from senator ron johnson, the wisconsin republican, demanding an amendment he involving the border that has already failed. this was highly frustrating for senators was this was not seen as a good-faith effort. this was siege as kind of a wrench in a bill that looks inevitable to pass. the only question is when. the democratic leadership in the senate have always intended to pass that bill and then to vote immediately on cloture, the procedural vote to advance the january 6th independent commission. that still looks likely to happen once this china bill is done, but, stephanie, it is increasingly likely to be headed to a filibuster. it has a majority vote in the senate but led by republican leader mitch mcconnell, many republican senators have decided they're not going to support this and it appears headed for a blockade. >> carol, make us smarter here.

mitch mcconnell has been dead set against this january 6th commission for a while now. and he repeated his basic argument yesterday. i want to share what he said. >> there's no new fact about that day. we need the democrats' extraneous commission to uncover. they are in multiple investigations. i do not believe the additional extraneous commission that democratic leaders want would uncover crucial new facts or promote healing. >> is he right? what could this partisan commission do that other investigations can't? >> stephanie, he's not right. it's not extraneous. unfortunately, the department of justice's focus is on the felonies that happened that day on the capitol hill grounds.

their job is prosecute -- first investigate and prosecute people who committed crimes. it is not to suss out intelligence failures, security planning failures and perhaps most important to americans, what ceded this attack on democracy? one of the darkest days we've seen in the nation's capitol. something that was threatening to kill the vice president, something that was basically forced everyone to run for their lives. this is something that's not going to be discovered by the department of justice. and without a january 6th commission, this fact-finding just is not going to happen. gladys sicknick, the mother of the officer who decide, you know, said i think correctly, this is a slap in the face of the officers who protected those lawmakers that day. of course, they were battling nearly 10,000 people and their job was impossible. there was no way they could really hold that group back

physically. there were maybe 160 right on the west lawn. however, they did put their lives on the line and she's saying as many capitol hill police officers are saying, as many people in the military are saying, let us find out what happened, and that won't happen without the january 6th commission. >> it would be one thing if the environment that led to the january 6 and insurrection changed in some way, but it hasn't. a poll that was done in the last month found that 61% of republicans still think the 2020 election was stolen, and more than half of them say that trump is the current president. absolutely absurd. but that's how they feel. it's one thing if republicans don't want to talk about what happened in january, but there is a clear and present danger at this moment. >> that's right, stephanie. you look at january 6th, there was a feeling maybe in that week

at least this was the end of something, this was the apex moment, deflection point where everyone in the country, democrats and republicans, would say we have to stop and really think about what are the lies that are poisoning people's minds to the point they want to break into the u.s. capitol and try to hang the vice president and try to kill the speaker of the house. that's a bipartisan effort to try to kill elected officials but we saw instead after january 6th was sort of trying to retell the story. so we look at the polls that, of course, ones that say the election was rigged, those are the same people who also believed antifa carried this out and these were all actors who are trying to make former president trump look bad. so what you see here is republicans not wanting to look at the truth and a lot of that based on my reporting is they know this is going to make the republican party look bad. there are big questions about what the president knew, what was a mindset, how were these insurrectionists corrected to some republican lawmakers.

how do they know what was in the building there? so many big questions apart from what carol just laid out about the felony issues that could be happening. what are the people governing, who are still in the capitol right now, what did they know? and in some ways it's a political risk that republicans are willing to make. >> but logic and politics don't live in the same house, sahil. yeah, you can see, sure, mitch mcconnell is going to want to understand what happened here. his own wife, elaine chao, was trump's transportation secretary. she resigned from his cabinet post with two weeks left in the administration over trump's mishandling of the insurrection. logic would say republicans are definitely going to want to get to the bottom of it. but here we are, sahil, they don't. are democrats really starting to appear naive? how many times do we have to hear they think republicans are going to come around, and then they don't? >> this does, by all accounts, appear to be a political

decision, stephanie, by republicans to oppose this commission. part of the reason we know that is pretty much everything they asked for in the negotiations at the house level on the january 6th commission, they ended up receiving. when it came to the senate, they said oh, there's some staff components beyond simply that equal party-based appointments, they want staff to be equally empowered through both sides and ended up getting that. and senate republicans still don't want to support it because of that. some of the holdout such as senator rob portman of ohio, i asked him yesterday if gets what he wants on the staff run, will he support this? he wouldn't say. bottom line, they think this will be bad in the 2022 midterms. the fact donald trump's supporters carried out this attack are an awkward fact for the party that don't want to visit or give the bipartisan to. and surveys have shown the last decade or so, democrats are more incline to want compromise,

republicans are more inclined to prevent it. surveys show democrats give up what they want, overstanding their ground and republicans support the opposite, stand their ground even if it means little or nothing gets done. that's how you end up in a situation where members who send out to stapped their position get what they want. like the china bill, a very bipartisan bill from the beginning end up getting wrenches and curveballs by certain senators who end up wanting to scuttle the big at the last minute, stephanie. >> this should be about national security, not politics. as a reminder, those insurrectionists who were donald trump supporters were not supporters of many of those republicans who are now voting against this commission. yamiche, we heard time and again it's a campaign promise for president biden. he wants to work with republicans. but could this be his tipping point? if you cannot get republicans to get on board for this, is there any reason to believe anything

bipartisan is going to happen in the next few years? >> when i talked to white house officials, they really do underscore this idea president biden is interested in trying to work with republicans no matter what he has to hear and go through when you think about the fact many of these republicans still say, yes, president biden is the legitimate president but they won't actually say he was legitimately elected. that's who he's dealing with on a daily basis but from what i hear from white house aides, he ran on the idea of bipartisan and that's what he will try to give. that being said, chuck schumer and bernie sanders talked to the parliamentarian already about infrastructure going through reconciliation, which is the process democrats can go it alone with only the votes they have in their party. so while president biden is publicly saying he wants bipartisanship, there's also this red line where he says i'm not going to do an action -- and i'm not going to waste time, from what i hear from my sources at the white house. this deadline, it's not exactly sure if it's a date, but in their minds they know they have

only a little bit of time before these midterms come and they can lose power likely in the house and that would, of course, complicate everything. they're working on borrowed times and democrats know they have big plans to get passed. >> you have to get real. they're interested in working for republicans. i'm interested on being on the cover of "sports illustrated" swimsuit edition but that ain't happening and clearly republicans don't want to play ball. carol, here's what i want to ask you about, your whole book is about people who put their lives on the line for this country, people like brian sicknick. his mom came to the capitol, you mentioned it, to beg republican senators to back this commission and most are going to say no. what does that say to all of the rest of the people still trying to protect lawmakers every day? and how do republicans continue to call themselves the party of law and order if they don't exhaust every possible avenue to get to the bottom of what happened?

>> it's really hard to countance a republican party who insists they're the party of law and order when they're essentially not defending the actual officers who defended their lives. it's really hard to countenance they're the party of law and order when they are behind the scenes privately telling reporters and colleagues they know the election wasn't stolen but they continue to tell their voters that. it's really hard to see them as the party of law and order when they watched rioters on film taking flagpoles, pipes, batons, bear spray to law enforcement officers while secret service officers were spiriting a mike pence out of the hideaway to save his life, and a noose hung outside and rioters were coming up the stairs chanting, "hang mike pence." i find this moment the 9/11

moment domestically. there were attackers, unfortunately, there are many, many people in the country who have been stoked to believe those attackers were doing something patriotic and republicans have played into that. and they've added fire to that. they've allowed donald trump to continue to say that without stopping it. and unfortunately, they're not willing to take the political hit. there is some political pain here to take in kmags and what it might find for the betterment of the country. >> it was obviously not patriotic. it was an attack on our democracy. yamiche, carol, sahil, thank you all so much. we've got to move on. breaking overnight, microsoft sounding the alarm that the solarwinds hackers are at it again. this time they're targeting 150 organizations, most of them here in the u.s. they say a russian-backed group launched the attacks after hacking into email marketers used by a u.s. government aid

agency calling it, quote, an active incident. nbc's chief white house correspondent kristen welker joins me now. kristen, i'm so happy to see you on your last day before you leave us for maternity leave. good to see you this morning. but we're not talking about good news. explain what's happening here. >> steph, you're so right about that. thank you for having me. it's so good to be with you. thank you for all of the love and support. to this breaking news overnight, this latest hack could not come as a more perilous time at the white house gearing up for that high-profile meeting, steph, you and i have been talking about between president biden and russian president vladimir putin. here's what we know. the russian government is saying this morning it had no information about the hack, but, of course, it has supported attacks like this in the past. overnight microsoft alerting that hackers from the russian-based group nobelium infiltrated a system used by the

state department agency for international development, and this basically targeted objections doing human rights and also humanitarian work. it's hit more than 150 groups in 24 countries. so this is widespread. but it really focused on the u.s., steph. the russian hackers burrowed into those workers by genuine looking phishing emails. microsoft said it's the same group behind the solarwinds hack that hit american companies last year. a spokesperson for cisse, the agency tasked with overseeing cybersecurity, saying in a statement moments ago -- we're aware of the potential compromise through u.s. aide through an email marketing platform and working with the fbi and u.s.aid to better understand the extent of the compromise and assist potential victims. steph, we've reached out to the white house, and so far, no reaction. >> kristen, stay close. if you hear anything else on this, please come back.

this is a very disturbing story. our own kristen welker. great to see you, my friend. >> thank you. we're following several new developments this morning. one in california over that rail yard shooting that left nine people dead, including vigils taking place to remember each life lost. >> paul was a wonderful husband and father full of love. >> he was my dad and much more than that to me. he was my hero, my idol. >> his colleagues told me that your brother is a fighter, and when he heard the shots, when he saw that everybody's life was in danger, his first reaction was to tell other people, hey, run to safety. >> give your love ones a kiss good-bye. because that was the last i got. >> at this hour -- it's hard to talk about this.

at this hour police are getting a better picture of the moments leading up to the shooting, including a possible motive. jake ward is in san jose. jake, this is a rough story to cover. you've been out there for the last two days. what are authorities telling you? >> well, stephanie, at this hour new surveillance video seems to show the shooter crossing the rail yard. you can see him in the top corner of the image there. that's this place, vta, valley transportation authority, the light-rail facility that serves san jose. our local nbc bay area affiliate kntv is reporting the attacker turns out to be facing a disciplinary hearing on the day of the attack related to racist remarks he evidently was making at work. and "the wall street journal" is reporting, in fact, he was stopped after a 2016 trip to the philippines by customs and border patrol related to books and supposedly terrorism-related manifestos in his possession, along with handwritten notes

stating that he hated working in this place. meanwhile, this vigil that you mentioned was extremely emotional. i think it's also worth mentioning here, stephanie, san jose is the most diverse, big city in the united states. so these nine victims coming from all walks of life, mechanics, bus drivers, train drivers. they really represent the strength and diversity of america, steph. >> jake, this is a rough story to cover. thank you, and please stay on it. we want to learn more about the extraordinary lives lost. jake ward. still ahead -- millions of americans have their bags packed this weekend, ready for the most normal holiday since the pandemic started. what they could see from rental car lots to car venues. plus, president biden's first formal budget proposal is due out in a matter of hours. get ready, it's going to be a big one. i will be talking to the director of national economic council brian deese about that

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developing this story, good news for the first time in more than a year, holiday travel is expected to reach pre-pandemic levels this memorial day weekend, and we've got reporters across the country on what you need to know before heading out before the holiday. let's start with blayne alexander at hartsfield-jackson airport in atlanta. this is going to be the first time many americans have flown in more than a year. what do they need to know before heading to the airport? >> steph, the first thing they need to know is the wait is back. crowds are once again coming back to the airport. so the long tsa lines and tsa checkpoints, you can expect those to return so make sure to plan ahead. let's talk about the numbers. triple a is expecting some 37

million americans will travel at some point over memorial day weekend. in fact, tsa has already put out numbers for thursday. they processed about 1.85 million passengers through checkpoint. that's the highest number we've seen since the start of the pandemic so we're talking about a 60% boost from last year. a lot of traffic at the airports including here at the world's busiest. but the vast majority of people are actually going to be going by car. so that's part of the story. let's go to cal perry. cal? >> hey, blayne, from the air to trains to on the ground, one of the weak links this holiday season could be rental cars. there's a run on rental cars and it's because, look, these rental car companies sell the cars once a year. they replenished their fleet. they're unable to do so. there's a semiconductor shortage and labor shortage means prices will be higher and it could be harder to find a car in warmer locations, las vegas or hawaii, where we heard horror stories of people having to rent u-hauls

around the islands. another place to rent the car, florida, where we will find my colleague shaquille brewster. >> people are taking rental cars and planes to fill beaches like this. we're here on south beach in miami, florida, where you see it's fairly empty right now. last year it's because these beaches were closed because of the pandemic. this year it's because it's 9:00 a.m., so you can expect that to change. officials are preparing for pre-pandemic crowds to fill beaches like this. here in miami, they've got a hypothetical of that just a couple of months ago when there were clashes between law enforcement and vacationers trying to avoid that curfew. this time around, there's fewer restrictions in place and more people here. officials also emphasizing vaccinations. we can expect to see vaccination clinics at places like the airport, places like here on the beach and even some of the shows we expect to see later this weekend. for more on what you can expect up and down the east coast,

let's go to kathy park on jersey shore. >> hey, shaq, thanks. new jersey was one of the last few holdouts in lifting the indoor mask mandate. that goes away today. so does the indoor and outdoor social distancing requirement. this certainly is a big turning point for the state of new jersey and jersey shore. you might remember this time last year, this community was crushed by the pandemic and holding on to tourism. this year they had to get creative. they usually hold hundreds of concerts in person every year. that went down to zero and they had to go virtual, but good news, we're told there will be live concerts starting this weekend. and later on today governor murphy will be in the area to promote vaccinations. right now about 4 had the 1 million new jerseyans are fully vaccinated but the target, the goal is to get 4.7 million new jersey residents vaccinated by the end of june. steph, i know the weather is going to take a turn this

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this morning we're following those sharp rise in anti-semitism across the country. the anti-defamation league reporting incidents here in the united states were up 75% in the wake of the violence in the middle east. new york governor andrew cuomo just announced he will deploy state troopers as security at jewish facilities. in brooklyn, three men were charged with hate crimes after they harassed people outside of the synagogue and attacked two jewish teenagers. in st. petersburg, florida, police investigating graffiti that included a swastika painted on the holocaust museum there. in response to all of this, a group of jewish democrats sent a letter to president biden urging him to take stronger action and calling out members of their own party.

one of the people behind that letter, minnesota congressman dean phillips, tweeting this -- i'll say the quiet part out loud. it's time for progressives to start condemning anti-semitism and violent attacks on jewish people with the same intention and vigor demonstrated in other areas of activism. the silence has been deafening. congressman phillips joins me now. good to have you here. this is a very serious topic. you're calling out members of your own party. can you explain your frustrations? >> stephanie, this is deeply, deeply personal. i'm 52 years old, and this is the first time in my entire life i have felt compelled to speak up, to stand up, and do it as loudly as possible. i don't have the platform that some of my progressive colleagues do on social media, and i'm asking for some empathy, some compassion and recognition this is real. stephanie, i promised my great grandparents when i listened to their stories about the poe

grams they escaped in western europe, the holocaust, my hometown being the most anti-semitic in the 1940s. we're accustom to swastikas painted on synagogues and cemeteries defaced, but when i see violence in the streets and jewish people being attacked for simply being jewish in our country, the united states of america, darn right, i'm going to speak up and ask with compassion and vigor that my colleagues speak up. and i want to say this to, what i'm seeing on the right, marjorie taylor greene talking about nazis every other day. i saw the confederate flags and hitler shirts in the united states capitol january 6th when we were attacked with the insurrection. we got a crisis of compassion and empathy in our country. i'm going to do everything i can to bring attention to it and implore that my fellow countrymen and women want to do something. >> how frustrating is it, right, you said just moments ago you don't have as big of a platform as some of the more extreme members of either party really.

how frustrating is it for you that headlines looking for compassion and care don't get as much attention as the full-blown crazy. >> well, stephanie, i think we have to have a national discussion about just that. i'm concerned about extremism wherever it comes from, any side of the aisle or political perspective. it doesn't trouble me that my colleagues have bigger platforms, they've earned that. i'm not going to condemn them for that. but i ask that they use those platforms to bring us together, to point out where we can be more compassionate to one another. i'm not trying to dissuade them from speaking their truth with authenticity and they have a lot of good to share. i'm asking for a little bit of recognition to that during a time in our nation's history when so many minority community u.s. are under attack that we unify, rather than further divide, and that's my mission and i'm asking anybody who has those platforms to take a breath and recognize how important this is to a community that has long found a home in the democratic

party, mind you, since truman, hubert humphrey, a dear friend of the jewish community. but the jewish community in this country is feeling awfully uncomfortable now for many reasons as you can imagine based on just the litany of the attacks you referenced on your show. >> what you're saying is pretty serious. you're putting colleagues of yours in the hot seat, basically saying how come some progressive members are quick to criticize israel and slow to show concern about anti-semitism? i mean, those are serious accusations. have you gotten any response? >> sure. you can imagine the response i've gotten. a lot of it positive. i've gotten a lot of condemnation, which frankly validates my whole point. i want to refer to ritchie torres, a wonderful new member from congress, progressive, gay man for new york city who has a great fondness for israel because he recognizes it's the most progressive nation in the middle east. he knows only in israel can gay man not only survive but thrive.

only israel. the population afford rights including arabs -- in fact, arab citizens have more rights in israel than countries in the middle east for goodness sakes. these are truths. women's rights are protected. look, the netanyahu government has plenty i disagree with, quite distinctly, and that is absolutely fair game. if you notice, a lot of people condemn leaders of other countries, putin. kim in north korea. all around the world except in israel, it's the country that is often condemned. that's troublesome to me. that's where i link anti-semitism to the condemnation of israel rather its leaders. by the way, we had a president too who drew the ire of many of us. it was he that drew the ire, not the united states of america. that's the difference. i want to point out that connection, looking for empathy and understanding and most importantly, stephanie, understanding of history including 20th century history. >> let's go more broader in

terms of policy in influence and politics and really across the democratic party. we know there are an awful lot of americans across the country that are moderate. moderate democrats, moderate republicans. earlier this week i was asking jake sherman from punchbowl news about the infrastructure deal, about why we don't hear more from moderate democrats? are they behind all of the spending initiatives? he said you're not going to hear from them, they're wimps. >> huh, well, jake loves to throw that at us. frankly, it inspires us a little more. stephanie, you asked me a question earlier about how our country responds to condemnation so much more than cooperation. the work of my colleagues on the problem solvers caucus, moderates on both sides of the aisle, we're workhorses, not show horses. we don't raise our hands to be on tv every single night or massive social media platforms. we're doing the work behind the scenes, meeting with one another

so this is nonsense to say that somehow it's a failure. >> congressman, what does that work get you in terms of policy? >> ultimately, stephanie, if the united states of america and american voters believe that the path to prosperity and peace and security is through two sides further retreating to corners, throwing political fire bombs at one another and franth on each side essentially being the voices of the entire republican and democratic party, if that's what america wants, well, we're getting that right now. i would ask and i would implore and i would invite people who are watching right now to take a breath and really reflect on where we want to go and what types of dispositions we want to see in our united states congress and statehouses around the country. i'm not condemning my own party. i'm not condemning the republican party. but i'm encouraging thoughtful, like-minded americans, no matter your politics, to recognize we've got to start breaking

bread together before we destroy americans' comprehensive faith in golf. i'm trying to do that work quietly in a way i was taught to do it in a manner becoming a member of congress. that's not how some of my colleagues act. i'm trying to encourage better behavior. i think that is a path to policy. time will tell. >> any day you want to take a deep breath, you can always do it here. it's how this show gets through the day. and we do believe all americans are just trying to get better and smarter and take care of their families and communities and we're certainly trying to do that here. congressman, thank you for joining me. have a very good weekend. still ahead -- president biden expected to unveil a $6 trillion with a t budget later today. as negotiations continue over infrastructure. the director of the national council joins us next. first, i must introduce you to our hero of the day. ron melvin is an air force

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today we are still grappling with the worst case of racial violence in u.s. history. this weekend marks 100 years since a mob of white people attacked black residents in tulsa, oklahoma, including an air attack by private aircraft. the riot destroyed the city's greenwood area known as black wall street, which was one of the richest black communities at the time. my friend and colleague trymaine lee caught up with survivors and community members. he joins us now with more. how is the community doing 100 years later, and remind us of what happened and what an important piece of american history this is, even if so many people don't know it or didn't learn it in school. >> good morning, thank you very much for having me, stephanie. as you mentioned, 100 years ago this weekend in 1921 the greenwood community, one of the most wealthy black communities in this country, what attacked by a white mob. an estimated 300 or so killed, 10,000 left homeless. the white mob literally

proclaimed over this community and dropped bombs on churches and homes and schools. others were gunned down in the streets. largely because this community was too prosperous for their own good. if you ask this community how they're doing now, in some ways they're grappling with the violence of 1921 and violence of jim crow, violence of segregation, urban renewal, gentrification and so on. but this community has resolve. i met up with them over the past few weeks and it's striking what they had to say. let's take a listen. >> houses destroyed, businesses destroyed. yeah, we are resilient. we rebuild. but i can imagine how they felt. i can imagine where we'd be had it not happened. our family has been destroyed. >> repair me. repair me as a person. repair me as a citizen. whatever that takes, whatever that looks like. looking at something going on four generations of tragedy.

>> torrey tyson, the woman you heard from first with tears in her eyes, talks about the what ifs? she was a third generation business owner at greenwood avenue. because of the latest push of gentrification, she's been pushed out. so many people in this community are experiencing the violence of 1921 in a different form. they have resilience and resolve, but they are weary, stephanie. >> they deserve to be. trymaine, thank you. i urge you at home, watch trymaine's reporting in the documentary "blood on black wall street." it airs sunday at 10:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc and it also be on demand on peacock. i will say it's must-see viewing. coming up next -- a really important conversation. we're talking money. director of the national economic council brian deese joins us live. from the world's number 1 selling nerve care company. as we age, natural changes to our nerves occur which can lead to occasional discomfort.

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the bottom line is this, the biden economic plan is working. we had record job creation. we are seeing record economic growth. we're creating a new paradigm. one that rewards work, the working people of this nation, not just those at the top. >> that was president biden yesterday in cleveland, ohio. if you like the economic plans coming out of the white house so far, get ready, there may be more where that came from. according to "the new york times," the budget he's going to unveil today will total $6 trillion for the next fiscal year alone. over the next decade, it would take federal spending to levels we have not seen since world war ii. all at a time when the country is opening up and the economy is set to take off in a very big way. i want to bring in brian deese,

director of the administration's national economic council. brian, always good to see you. explain this to me. incomes are up, consumer spending is up. for people who are able to work from home this year, we've seen them save money and they're spending. we know a record amount of amou stimulus money is out there it seems like the recovery is well under way. it is rebounding, and the focus on getting the pandemic under control. and an economic strategy that is driving a strong economic recovery. the question that we have now and the question discussed yesterday is how do we wild for

longstanding term and durable growth. they will increase the productive capacity on our economy. make us more competitive, and will do so in a fiscally responsible manner. so the piece that you're missing here is all of the president's plans will be fully off set. he is pairing a very high deficit with tax reforms. >> how do we know that it is fiscally responsible, right. i think about all of the money that we spent in the last year until now. if the proposal goes through the government will have spent $10 trillion. what are we doing in terms of oversight? we still don't have a commissioner for the cares act oversight committee and we both lived through the financial

crisis ten years ago. oversight is hugely important. >> first i want to separate out as you know we can't just throw around big numbers without separating what they are. there has been near term crisis response efforts. there is broad economic support that if you don't take care of those they will end up in the long term. if you look at the american jobs plan you're talking about less than a percentage in a eight year gdp period. we have to do all of these with a focus on oversight and focus for the oversight. we focus on trying to do the

work after being sure the programs are being implemented. seeing them as a partner in this effort rather than firing them or sidelining them. we'll hear more from that going forward, but that is a priority and we know thousand do this. the president knows how to do this and we have to separate out what we need to do right now which as you say is working to get the economy going again. get it really driving toward full employment and couple that with a longer term investment that we fail to make in the last 15 years. >> take some of that rescue money and redeploy it for these long-term investments. how do you pay for the american jobs and the american family, take some of the money and move it there. we heard from democrats that said that money has already been spent, but has it? when the american rescue plan was passed we were in crisis. fast forward a month and we're reopening. people are spending, businesses are reopening.

do we need to assume all of that money is spent or can we use it on long-term solutions. think about businesses and schools that came out this year way ahead of budget because they were remote this year. >> well, part of the reason we're in such a better place now is because we passed the american rescue plan and those investments are working as intended. part of the reason that schools are reopening much more quickly now is they now have access to the resources they need to do so safely. part of the reason we're seeing restaurants and small businesses expanding now is because we provided direct support to them that is still ongoing. part of the problem that we need them to focus in on is what are we specifically talking about. do they believe that we should take money away from restaurant

owners. take away money from small business owners that are counting on that money? take away money from schools? from middle class family that's are expecting a tax cut that will begin to be delivered in july. we need to be more specific so we can understand what they mean when they say there is money here that we can just take out. we believe the american rescue plan is doing exactly what it was intended to do. >> where do you stand on working with republicans on their infrastructure counter proposal. see said that it isn't even serious. the senior staff said they don't want to go discuss on the rek election. where does he stand at this point? >> the president has been saying for two months now that he wants to pursue a bipartisan

infrastructure if it is all possible. >> how likely is that? >> we're working on it, you know? we got this proposal yesterday. today the after its will meet to go into more detail. we have more that we need to understand. there is new elements in there. we're going to get into those details today. there are places that we remain far apart and the clock is ticking as president biden said yesterday we need to wrap these up shortly. i anticipate we'll be hart at work in the next few days, the weekend, and next week. next week will be a hard at workweek here even as members of congress go home to their districts. >> i have to wrap up this hour, but i could talk infrastructure and economics all day long. brian, always good to see you. have a good weekend. that wraps us up, hallie jackson

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