♪♪ welcome to friday. it's "meet the press daily." i'm chuck todd. we begin with news from capitol hill where senate republicans have just blocked the bipartisan agreement to establish a commission, an apolitical one, to investigate the january 6 siege on the capitol. needed 60 votes. it got 54. just six republicans breaking

ranks with mitch mcconnell and donald trump by extension. 11 senators missed the vote. nine republicans, including two who voted to convict the president and two democrats. we are expecting chuck schumer to hold a press conference to discuss what happen and where democrats go from here. senator schumer reacted to the failed vote. >> this vote has made it official. donald trump's big lie has now fully enveloped the republican party. it's the defining principal of what was once the party of lincoln. republicans chose to defend the big lie because they believe anything that might upset donald trump could hurt them politically. >> we have not heard much reaction from senate republicans after the vote with the exception of one of their members who back the commission. >> ask the american people, are

they more likely to trust an independent commission, not composed of members of congress, or are they more likely to trust one hand picked by speaker pelosi? clear who they will trust most. i think this is as much as anything about building trust with the american people. >> give senator cassidy credit. he tried to make an argument that he thought fellow republicans might be persuaded by. we have a lot happening in washington. let's dive in. turn to our reporters. joining me now is leigh ann caldwell, jake sherman. i know we have a lot of moving parts here. leigh ann, on one hand this was not unexpected. on the other hand, why not -- what is the next move by senate democrats? what it does sound like is they're not going to bring this up for a vote again. a part of me wondering, if you are senator schumer, why not bring this up for a vote once a

week if they're not going to vote for it? >> reporter: chuck, just right before we came on air, senator schumer sent a letter to his democratic colleagues saying that he reserves the right to bring there commission up for a vote again. so we could see it. even though republicans and mitch mcconnell said that he does not want this commission to happen, he has publically cited the politics of it and privately i'm told by many sources that politics is driving his decision here, the politics of this is not going away. democrats do not plan to shelf this and never talk about it again. we could see schumer force republicans to vote on it again. also in that same letter, chuck, he said that an investigation will happen. that perhaps is an open door to perhaps a select committee or

whatever form that democrats want to take to investigate what happened on january 6. the point that senator cassidy made that i have heard from some other republicans as well, including senator lisa murkowski, is that the most bipartisan way to investigate is with this outside independent commission. now there's some concern among republicans that they have -- that the party has put this in the hand of democrats to completely control the narrative, not only this year but next year as the midterms approach. chuck? >> i want to play what mitch mcconnell said yesterday. jake sherman, what was astounding is he didn't hide the reason. he basically used politics as the rationale. take a listen. >> if we set up this commission, i think that the basic goal of our democratic friends is to keep relitigating in public what happened back on january 6 rather than getting to a quick

solution through arrest of those who did it and securitied ajutmea -- adjustments to make sure it never happens again. >> did he hurt himself by committing a mccarthy? he said democrats want to relitigate. we haven't litigated yesterday. >> he has been saying this since wednesday. he has been saying this on repeat that this would be a political loser for republicans, because democrats want to keep relitigating the attack on january 6. i don't know if it's -- it's not a gaff. he means to say this. i would add, the irony of this is, there's going to be an investigation into january 6. there's no question about it. either nancy pelosi will do it through her standing committees, one of the investigating committees she has stood up, or they're going to create a select

committee. there's no way out of this congress, chuck, without an investigation. the difference is those investigations are not going to have republican involvement. republicans have ceded their environment. they are betting the investigations are partisan, one party, nancy pelosi selecting the people to investigate. i agree with leigh ann. i think schumer will bring this back up. i don't think he will bring it back up every week. that would be a time suck for him. i do believe he is going to bring this back up again. although, i don't anticipate there will be any difference. >> that's what i wondered, leigh ann. look at the 11 missing senators. there's two convicters, pat toomey said he would have voted for the commission. two democrats missing. 58 votes. you are two short. roy blunt is retiring.

he is on the list. is there -- is there an opening here if republicans see how poorly this plays with normal americans? >> reporter: well, senator toomey was not at the vote. he put out a statement saying that he had to leave for a family reason. if he were here, he would vote for the commission. there's one vote there. as you point out, that's still short of the ten votes necessary. they're not going to get the ten republicans unless mcconnell comes out and says and gives them the leeway to do that. mcconnell has made his decision. sources near him say he is willing to sacrifice the short-term pain of opposing this commission for perhaps what is the long-term political gain of it. i just had a conversation with

senator manchin before the vote took place. he said that mcconnell is making this extremely difficult. i know manchin has been in the senate for a while. he was governor before that. he is not new to politics. he seemed mystified for some reason that what he said mcconnell is just playing to the raw politics of the situation. unless mcconnell sees a political reason to change his mind, what he is seeing in the polls, what he is seeing what will gain him back his majority next year, i don't see the ten votes in the senate coming, happening. >> look, mcconnell is the ultimate transactional politician. boy, jake sherman, this is the ultimate putting party over country. party over institution. i mean, it is -- i know his skin is as thick as anybody's on there. people like to compare him to a

tortoise. he has a hard shell. nothing seems to penetrate him. you know, he is a long way away from the mitch mcconnell that essentially gave his speech to convict donald trump without voting to convict. >> well, you know, i would say that the institution and mcconnell have probably both changed. i would concede that to you, chuck. i think that -- listen, we're in an environment where everybody is trying to win the next majority. i think that's the reality of it. i agree with leigh ann. i don't think the political calculation for mcconnell will change at all. i think that this ship has sailed. there's not going to be -- in my estimation based on my reporting talking to these republicans, there was some misnomer there were a large group of republicans in the last week or so that were open to voting for this. i don't think that was the case. i think everyone had their mind made up. i don't think that mcconnell had

to do much there. i think people saw it as a partisan exercise and they weren't going to be involved. i'm not sure -- i don't think that's going to change. >> well, part one of the story has to do with getting to the bottom of january 6. if we can't get to the bottom of january 6, does this become a story about the beginning of the end of the filibuster? with that, i want to turn to senator michael bennett, who is on his way to the airport himself. he waited to cast his vote, unlike 11 of his colleagues. >> by the way, chuck, i'm not by myself. this is a carpool. john hickenlooper is back there. there he is. >> we have a caucus. we have a caucus of two. hello, senator hickenlooper. are there two votes to get rid of the filibuster in that carpool right now? >> i can't speak for john. i can say for myself that the

country can't endure another period of obstruction like the one that mitch mcconnell brought when obama was president of the united states. there's too much to do with respect to building an economy that works for everybody, not just people at the very top, to make sure that this democracy can compete with the chinese government's policy. it goes on and on and on of the need for us to get our act together. i don't know what the reform of the filibuster -- what form it will take. i don't know -- i think we should not perpetuate mcconnell's bastardization of the filibuster. >> with the january 6 commission vote, as a citizen, i would like to have heard the 35 republicans make their argument as to why they are voting against this rather than just cast their vote and run to the airport. how could you reform the

filibuster to at least force them to have to publically defend what they're doing? >> force them to stay today. there's some combination of forces -- [ inaudible ] >> you must be headed to dulles. >> sorry about that. >> senator bennett, i think our connection is not going very well. i appreciate you making the effort there. i'm going to turn to the press conference with chuck schumer right now. let's take a listen. >> unless people in his own party stand up to him, it's bad for the party, it's bad for those individuals, but most of all, it's bad for the country.

i hope that will change. now, just reviewing our last work period. we have had a really productive may session. our committees have advanced critical issues in the president's build back better agenda. we confirmed many of the president's nominees. we came together on a bipartisan basis to advance historic and wide reaching legislation, the u.s. innovation and competition act. the most significant investment in science, technology and american manufacturing in an entire generation. this is one of the most significant pieces of legislation that's come before the senate in a very long time. it's going to have huge affects down the road. it doesn't get the attention it should. i said for three reasons. number one, because it's bipartisan. there's no fighting. i know you guys like fighting. number two, because it is going to take affect not immediately, although the chips part will.

in general, it won't take affect but will have dramatic affects 4, 5, 10 years from now. i forget the third reason. what is it? what? yeah. it's positive. not negative. okay. it's a positive piece of legislation. okay. anyway, we're very proud of it. exercising our authority over the cra. the congressional review act. we reversed several egregious trump error rules that hurt our environment and gave big corporations more power over american workers. it circumvented protections for consumers. we witnessed president biden sign the covid-19 hate crimes act. it's a piece of legislation that originated in the senate. it's critical to combating the wave of attacks against

asian-americans. those were all good things done on a bipartisan basis. at the same time, we have seen the limits of bipartisanship and the resurgence of republican obstructionism. despite three months of regular orders. the input of no fewer than six committees, dozens of republican amendments accepted to the bill, 21 voice votes on amendments, a vote out of the two major committees 21-1 and 24-4, senate republicans sought to delay the inevitable passage by two weeks, even as american manufacturers are experiencing devastating semiconductor shortages and pleading with us for help. it was only when this morning, when the five or six republicans who were holding up the bill saw all 50 democrats on the floor that they realized they couldn't roll us and they accepted our agreement. it ensures that it will pass as soon as we resume legislative

session. maybe worse, certainly worse, senate republicans at the personal request of leader mcconnell continue their attempts to whitewash the attack of january 6 by filibustering the house passed commission, even though speaker pelosi and i agreed to changes proposed by senator collins. they were still only able to get six votes. senators should rest assured the events of january 6 will be investigated and that as majority leader, i reserve the right to force the senate to vote on the bill again at the appropriate time. senate democrats are doing everything we can to move bipartisan legislation where the opportunity exists. but we will not wait for months and months to pass meaningful legislation that delivers real results for american people. looking ahead, when the senate reconvenes on june 7, we will force a vote on hr-7.

that's the paycheck fairness act. equal pay for women. it's a long overdue piece of legislation. it's supported by all 50 democrats. it was filibustered by republicans. it's common sense legislation. i have promised it will receive a vote in the senate. in a couple of weeks it will. we will also begin to confirm president biden's judicial nominees, including very famous judge jackson. the senate may also -- i may also ask the senate to consider gun legislation and lggtq equality legislation. in the last week of the june work period, the week of june 21st, the senate will vote on s-1, the for the people act, legislation vital to defending

our democracy, reduing dark money, that influence of powerful special interests and stopping the wave of republican voter suppression happening in states across the country in service to the president trump's big lie. in addition, the senate democratic majority will continue to make progress on president biden's build back better economic agenda. we had two things going at once which shows you we work bipartisan where we can. the ground transportation -- the road transportation bill, but at the same time the senate finance committee reported historic clean energy legislation that will begin to fight climate change. that passed and was voted in

committee 14-14. that was not, obviously, bipartisan. as the president continues to discuss infrastructure legislation with senate republicans, our committees are going to hold hearings and continue their work on build back better with or without the report -- the support of republican senators. we must pass comprehensive jobs and infrastructure legislation this summer. the american people gave us a democratic senate to produce big and bold change on the major issues confronting us. that is what we are doing. ready for your questions. start here and work -- usually, you are over here. >> how much time should you give bipartisan negotiations on infrastructure? you sound frustrated with working with republicans. >> we were frustrated when we did the most bipartisan bill, i think -- check it. there were more amendments on this bill than in several years

of mcconnell's entire tenure as majority leader, certain years. it is frustrating when you go bipartisan -- we take a lot of tough votes on republican amendments that they -- not just that they try to block it, but mcconnell is nowhere on the floor, nowhere around trying to prevent that from happening. it's frustrating. that's not going to stop us where we can from working in a bipartisan way. that's the preferred way to go. it's not possible in many different areas with this republican senate. it won't stop us from acting. >> you didn't answer the question. how long should -- >> look, i have -- the president and my beliefs are the same. we will try to go bipartisan. it shouldn't stop us from bold action. i have faith in the president. we talk all the time. he is going to try to pursue bipartisan where he can but not let it stop him. >> no, no, no. we are working our way around.

you can wear those jeans but you have to wait your turn. >> what are your views on -- [ inaudible ] >> look, it should be investigated. it would be better to do it in a bipartisan way. that's what this bill did. better to investigate with a select committee than not investigate. >> you had exchange with senator collins ahead of the january 6 commission vote. i want to see -- >> i will be brief about it. senator collins wanted to make sure that senator portman new that i supported her amendment. i told many senators, including manchin. i told her i would. i told him and he voted yes. [ inaudible ] >> surprise, surprise, surprise.

>> just yesterday he said the president's team should sober up on big plans. >> let's take the boldest thing we have done, the arp. supported by 75% of the american people and 60% of republicans. there's a huge dichotomy, as president biden has pointed out, between republican voters and republican senators and congressmen. 60% of republicans support arp. 0% in the house and senate vote for it. unfortunately, they are under the thumb of donald trump who wants nothing done. that's not where republicans really are. yes. >> you are scheduling a vote on s-1 without the support of joe manchin. is your bet he comes around by the end? >> we have had two very good, strong and intense discussions in our caucus as recently as wednesday. we are continuing to have them. at those caucus lunches, it was

made clear how important it is to the country, to our democratic majority and to individual senators. those discussions are ongoing. i have a lot of faith in them. yes. >> senator, where are you then -- you say you are open to working with republicans. where are you on the reconciliation process if that doesn't come together? >> look, as i have said, we try to work with republicans where we can. we need big, bold action. reconciliation is a serious consideration to get that big, bold action if we can't get it with republicans. next. >> filibuster of the january 6 bill today and any of the actions that surrounded this china competitiveness bill make you feel more willing to -- or open to the idea of filibuster reform? this is a big call -- >> i think the events of the last few days probably made every member of our caucus realize that a lot of our

republican colleagues are not willing to work with us on a whole lot of issues, even issues where we try to be bipartisan. somebody was -- i'm trying to get everybody here. >> you mentioned you talk to president biden. do you sense impatient on his part or his staff's part with republican -- >> he is a very patient fellow. he is a persistent fellow. he will keep talking to republicans when he thinks there's an opportunity to get something done. he is not going to let it get in the way of getting the big, bold action he and i believe america needs and requires and wants. >> would you change the deadline for the january 6 commission if you were going to have -- >> i'm not going to -- right now, leader mcconnell, we know twisted a lot of arms not to even move to proceed. if we were to get a vote to move to proceed, we could begin to discuss aspects. >> thank you. you said that you are open to a select committee in the house.

would you encourage your chairman in the senate to do this. two members skipped the vote. was that okay with you? >> i'm not going to get into individual members. we made sure we would have enough votes. on the first issue, i have a lot of faith. senator klobuchar and peters are looking at what went on on january 6. i have faith in what they are doing. they are working together. occasionally, they reach out to other committees like intelligence where they need expertise. no, no, no. you got two. that's more than one. >> if the house does move toward a select committee, democrats push this forward, how quickly should they move on that? are you worried it would lose credibility if it's not bipartisan? >> we prefer bipartisan. every democrat voted for bipartisan. facts must come out.

next. >> senator schumer, yesterday republican senators stood where you are standing and proposed using leftover covid money, appropriated for pays out, to pay for infrastructure. is that a red line? >> we need -- i'm not going to get into the specifics. we need big, bold action. we need significant infrastructure money along the lines of what president biden proposed. go ahead. he went like this. i hardly saw his hand. >> do you have a budget resolution -- [ inaudible ] >> i said previously that we would look to do this in july. this is june. next. >> why did you want that in the -- [ inaudible ] >> chairman widen who sometimes has the power of a president

over certain matters -- we were in touch all the time. there were some objections to that provision. from the administration. >> you said on the floor last hour, you hoped that this wasn't indicative of republican obstruction on other bills. why would you not think this is the beginning of the end for the filibuster? >> look, i said it over and over. we have to have big, bold action. we have to -- we cannot fail on key things to our democracy like s-1. everything is on the table. we will continue to discuss it as we move forward. >> it sounds like you think -- >> that's all -- everything is on the table. we hope we can get bipartisan support. so far, we have not seen any glimmers on s-1. if we don't, everything is going to be on the table. last one. the patient one.

>> will you guarantee you will bring it to the floor. >> it's one of the things we are considering on lgbtq. we believe there it. it's a busy june. we are looking at it. what was the first thing? >> will you guarantee a vote on a policing deal -- >> senator booker briefed me. they are making progress. i will not set artificial deadlines. i would hope they can come to a good bipartisan agreement. have a nice break. i will not use the words for you, patience. >> as a journalist watching this, i appreciate the speed dating version of answering questions at that presser by schumer. the big takeaway is he plans to bring up the january 6 commission bill again for another vote. he doesn't sound optimistic that there will be numbers there. he said that -- after that, he

expects a select committee propped up by house democrats who end up being the vehicle that investigates january 6. i think the questions on the filibuster and his answers are going to be eye of the beholder answers. many of the answers he gave are many he gave before. more senators keep seeing who wants to work with us, who don't. the end of the day, it does sound as if you combine the words of senator bennett, they don't have 50 votes to reform the filibuster or they would start reforming the filibuster. keep that in mind. up next, a potentially game changing week in the fight against climate change. the courts are calling on big oil to make changes. microsoft reveals what may be an ongoing cyberattack targeting government agencies again. we will dig into what we know and whether there's anything that can be done to stop it.

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welcome back. there's been a lot of news this week. don't miss what happened in the fight against climate change. some consequential actions. big oil is facing climate reckoning. there's calls to change the business model entirely. this week alone, two of the world's largest oil companies faced successful rebuke for stalling on climate initiatives. exxon elected two members to serve on the company's board. it was a blow to management and a directive about clean energy's role. over 60% of chevron shareholders voted in favor of a petition making chevron responsible not just for their own emissions but to products they sell to customers as well. a landmark case overseas.

a dutch court decided that shell is individually liable for their role in climate change. it ruled the company will have to speed up the rate at which they cut carbon emissions. to discuss the impact of this big week, i'm joined by professor stokes, assistant professor of climate policy at the university of california and robinson meyer, climate reporter. robinson, i want to start with you. am i over hyping this? was this as consequential as it seems when it comes to engaging the private sector and oil industry in becoming part of the solution instead of part of the problem? >> you are absolutely right, it's a huge, huge week. i think there's really two big reasons for that. the first is that investor groups have been making noise for a long time about how they

are concerned about climate change and they want to see companies take more of a stand on it. mostly, that has remained in this proxy petition mode, has remained in -- they ask companies to do things in a non-binding way or expressing concern. in some ways not that far from the senate. this is the first time with this exxon vote where they changed the makeup of a company's board of directors, the most powerful people at the company, because the company was not acting fast enough on climate change. what we know is that -- with this exxon vote, specifically, we know that two directors on the exxon board were elected to these activist directors, a third may still make it on the board. there's still a sword over the company. they won two directors this week. next time, these shareholders

have acted, next time they could replace the full board. that is the power that we saw. >> professor, practically -- usually, when you see the private sector pressured on something, they end up acquiescing, realizing there are market forces and -- i would argue, there's a market to be on the side of fighting climate change that can be economically -- it bears economic fruit for an industry. what do you expect this can do? what are some of the practical impacts of the sort of corporate punishments that we saw this week? >> well, i think in terms of the practical impacts, we have to look at the shell case. that was even more important in some ways. what the dutch court said was that shell has to be aligned with the paris agreement and

with what scientists say are necessary. the company has to cut its emissions by 45% by 2030 and also do that when it comes to the emissions from the product that it sells. that's a very transformative change for an oil company. right? they are selling fossil fuels that fundamentally create pollution. that could shift the business model of a big oil company. >> robinson, could exxon fight back here? let me go back to exxon or shell. how much will they acquiesce and how much do you expect them to fight? >> i think -- at this point, the climate activist directors do not control a majority of the board. you could imagine a kind of ongoing skirmish. i think it will be harder for them to fight back. this is a real rebuke for the ceo. it's also just -- the fact that

the large index investors have taken the step to start evicting members of the board of directors, this is -- they have rung the bell. they will now keep doing this until they start to see results they like. one thing i would add is that the market in some ways has already started to punish some of the companies. exxon and other big oil companies, we are already -- we are minting money. if they were the most productive, most exciting part of the economy, i don't think we would see this. what has happened over the past ten years is that energy -- the oil sector is actually the smallest of the s&p 500. the market has punished the oil companies. in some ways what we are seeing is these big institutional investors starting to react to

that. >> professor, should we expect to see other country court systems -- obviously, royal dutch shell was based in the netherlands. there was -- that's why that lawsuit was there. do you expect copycat lawsuits around in the rest of europe and should we see -- could you imagine success in the courts against the oil companies in this country? >> well, it's not really just shell that's come under regulation in the eu. it's also bp. they have had not a court decision, but policy saying that that company also needs to be cutting emissions. we are seeing oil companies facing this kind of pressure across europe. in the united states, there have been efforts to hold fossil fuels accountable -- sorry, fossil fuel companies accountable through a variety of ways. young people activists have been suing the federal government or trying to say the federal

government isn't doing enough on climate change. there have been attorney generals taking up specific cases. one in new york, another one in massachusetts, trying to hold companies like exxon accountable for things like saying, we are really going to transition to new clean fuels when they are spending more advertising that policy than actually investing in the clean fuels in their company. there's a court strategy around this. i don't know if we will see as landmark decisions in the united states as we saw on wednesday with shell in the netherlands. this is a strategy that people are pursuing. i think it's a really important strategy that's part of the climate fight. >> robinson, would you chair it to the tobacco company lawsuits? is that where we are headed? will the oil companies try to stay ahead of american lawsuits and try to make some changes before the court case -- before being taken to court?

>> yeah, it's a great question. definitely in the u.s., these cases have been modelled off the tobacco company lawsuits. one thing we have seen -- a key difference between the u.s. court system and other court systems around the world is that the makeup of the supreme court is what it is right now. one thing we have seen from lawsuits trying to compensate from that is to try to make it so it stays within state courts, which might be more -- less right leaning and more friendly to climate claims. i think we could eventually see a kind of broader federal lawsuit against oil companies. there's been a lot of documentation that indicates that the oil companies, like the tobacco companies, were aware of climate change as they were selling their product, that they were not disclosing it to customers. it's very hard to imagine that kind of legal case being

successful in the united states without a friendlier supreme court. maybe down the road, if there are a number of international rulings like this, it could set an expectation this is something the u.s. might move on. if the makeup of the supreme court were to change, we could see it happen here. >> the tobacco cases were in many cases state-based. i could see -- >> exactly. >> keeping it in the states might end up being the more effective tool. professor, robinson, thank you for making time. glad we got to explain the relevance of what feels like a big week in the fight against climate change. thank you both. coming up, as the white house gears up for a meeting with putin, microsoft admits there's an active ongoing act from the same russian group that was responsible for cyberattack that's been taking place over the last year on government agencies. the stinging. my skin was no longer mine.

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welcome back. in an overnight alert, microsoft announced what appears to be another hack attack by the same russian-based group that executed the solarwinds attack. they are targeting 150 organizations, including several government agencies. this has been ongoing since at least january. house intelligence committee chair adam schiff released a statement saying that it appears russian is undeterred. mark warner released a statement insisting that we have to step up our cyber defenses. i'm joined by kiersten todd, she served on president obama's national cybersecurity commission. microsoft made this announcement late last night.

forgive us for wondering, what aren't they telling us. this coming right before memorial day weekend. it felt like one of those, to us political journalists, like a late news dump of something perhaps we should have known about sooner. what can you tell us about this? >> we know same criminal actor group that was responsible for solarwinds and other attacks was responsible for this attack where it took advantage -- it gained access to a trusted technology partner called constant contact, which is part of a -- a legitimate mass mailing services infrastructure. it took advantage of that company's vulnerabilities and then it infected its customers. now as we have seen continuously, it is undermining our trust in the technology ecosystem. we are still -- it's ongoing. we are figuring it out. 3 thousand individual accounts were compromised, as you said,

about 150 organizations. we are seeing 24 countries exposed through this breach right now. >> they said it was a phishing attack. which is sort of just -- they send out emails in the name of the agency. you can give -- describe the level of that kind of, quote, hack versus what we saw with solarwinds. these are two different attacks, are they not? >> very much so. solarwinds, we saw it as an incredibly sophisticated attack by russia, with a criminal actor group. very precise, going after infrastructure. they were in our networks for nine months before they were detected. this was much more pedestrian, almost for entertainment. we can speculate as to the reasons why we think this group

went after this type of attack in this way. i can speculate, you can do the sanctions, i can still get into open networks and you are vulnerable based on simple tactics. i think it calls into question again human behavior, the lack of training and education across the board on some of the basics in cybersecurity. in addition to education and training, i think we need to be calling upon our technology partners to help prevent these types of very basic attacks that we are seeing across networks. >> can the russian government shut this down if they wanted to, in your opinion? >> i think they could. i think you bring into a very important question, which is that we absolutely have to be working with our like-minded partners to look at what are the clear rules for conduct in cyberspace and what are the consequences? as long as we go back and forth with action and retaliation,

we're never going to compel nation state adversaries to deter their behavior. there's no reason because there are no consequences for their action. this has to change. i think we have seen language from the biden administration. we see leadership in the leader executive order, the cyber executive order that was released a couple weeks ago, and it is now incumbent upon the united states in collaboration with international partners to really create action and ensure that there are consequences, significant consequences, for this type of malicious activity. >> all right. what does that look like? i sit there and i take a deep breath because sanctions. we hear about sanctions. and it seems like there is always sanctions. there's always somebody who is sanctioned. putin's chef gets sanctioned and it doesn't deter anything. what does deterrence have to look like if economic sanctions aren't effective. >> chuck, i think we need to

look at more significant consequences. i was talking to a colleague who was part of the obama administration just yesterday and we were talking about the election interference, and this is before we knew about this hack. when we respond with a proportionate response, what we're learning from russia is that there will just be a tit for tat and we're not making any progress again in deterring this behavior. so we can assume that more significant consequences, and again, not just by the united states alone, but a global code of conduct for what rules of the road are with outlines and consequences for that, and i do believe it has to go beyond sanctions. >> kristin todd, cybersecurity advisor back during the obama administration and cybersecurity expert we like to turn to quite a bit, thank you for coming on and providing that perspective. >> thank you. coming up, the country prepares to mark 100 years since the worth incident of racial violence in american history.

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