of lbj's great society of the 1940s, president biden wants to spend $6 trillion on next year's budget, pumping cash into programs aimed at boosting public health and help for the poor. so, how's that going to be paid for, and what is the point when republicans called the proposal dead on arrival? plus this. >> we just can't pretend that nothing bad happened or that people just got too excitable. >> republican senator lisa murkowski on voting for a commission into the january 6th insurrection attempt, 54 of her conservative colleagues think otherwise when they see this. we're going to look at how this one vote could be the wedge that drives the two parties even further apartment. and. >> it was definitely tax fraud. there's definitely tax evasion. and you know, i think that there's just a lot of -- for the first time, they seem really nervous. >> a key witness into the

business dealings of donald trump, i'm going to ask jennifer weisselberg, the ex-daughter-in-law to allen weisselberg, to elaborate on that very comment and whether she's been contacted by a newly established grand jury. also this hour, we're going to take you to tulsa, oklahoma. nbc's trymaine lee is there talking with descendants and current residents about the massacre that happened 100 years ago and how to this day, it is still reshaping not just lives but the way politics operates across this country. plus, my friend and colleague, richard lui, introducing us to the next greatest generation as a half million kids at home are taking care of a veteran with disabilities in their families. it is a story that you do not want to miss. we want to start with the budget. president biden was -- has a fight on his hands today unveiling the administration's $6 trillion budget. kelly o'donnell is on it in wilmington, delaware. good to see you once again. lot of republicans already speaking out, which we're not surprised about.

>> exactly. this is the kind of dynamic that we expect when the budget drops. it is incredibly important for any white house to be able to put into writing in the context of how to spend money all of the priorities and the agenda items that support the things the president as a candidate and now a few months into office has put his focus on. and it does include big spending, the kind of spending not seen since world war ii, in part because the president argues there's been a lot of neglect to infrastructure, to the american economy, to different ways of influencing how the economy is supported for job creation. things like the president saying that child care, elder care are important parts of making workers more able to be productive by supporting them and the real-life needs they have. now, many democrats are on board for this. some of the more moderate or conservative democrats, there will be a fight, but republicans, of course, are

already pushing back. that's not a big surprise, but lindsey graham, republican of south carolina, says this budget is dead on arrival, and he notes that's pretty much true for every presidential budget. the reason for that, of course, is the president can lay out his priorities and put numbers to them, but it's congress that gets to spend the people's money. and that's where the negotiating starts. it's still important to look at the budget to know what the president stands for, what he believes is worth fighting for, but the real nitty-gritty will take place on capitol hill. part of what we've been seeing in this big $6 trillion number is the infrastructure plan the president is supporting and that's something where he's already come down on his overall figure a bit, trying to make some sort of common ground with republicans. they've come up a little bit, but the question remains, and this week will be pivotal, the president biden and one particular republican, shelley moore capito of west virginia, can they reach some kind of an

agreement to get those ten republicans needed to advance something in the senate? that will be a big sticking point. yet, republicans say publicly they would like to have some kind of hard infrastructure spending, something they can brag about back home and something they believe the country needs. but will they get there? that's the big question. so far, they're still apart, not only on numbers but on some key definitions of what they're looking to achieve. yasmin? >> hey, kelly, while i have you, just quickly here, talk to me about this impending meeting between russian president vladimir putin and president biden and the possibility and/or the assurances, of course, that the russian cyberattack is going to be talked about. what type of impact is that going to have on the meeting? >> reporter: well, this is certainly going to be a major highlight of foreign policy when president biden and vladimir putin meet next month, just a few weeks away. part of the president's first overseas trip where he'll be stopping in the united kingdom

and in belgium for the nato conference and then meeting with vladimir putin. there have certainly been key issues that are raising tensions and causing problems related to that relationship. president biden says he wants to have the meeting because he wants the u.s.-russia relationship to be steady and predictable, and things like the cyberattacks complicate that. some would argue it might even be a testing that the russians are doing to try to get a sense of where the u.s. stands on some of these things before biden and putin meet. it will have an influence on the meetings, but it has not been sufficient for the president to say he wouldn't want to go forward in one of the events at the white house i was able to ask the president about that, if he thought some of the steps that russia is doing with amassing troops and these cyber incursions, if that is enough to cause him to rethink meeting with putin and he said at this point, no. and that he wants to have that face-to-face to try to get a better handle on u.s.-russia relations.

it will be significant. it will be much watched all around the world next month. yasmin? >> all right, kelly o'donnell for us in delaware, thank you, good to see you once again. let's talk january 6th commission for a moment. turning to capitol hill with that where democrats are working on their next steps to investigate the capitol riots after republicans blocked the creation of an independent commission yesterday. senate majority leader chuck schumer saying he may force a vote on the bill again in the future. >> senators should rest assured that the events of january 6th will be investigated and that as majority leader, i reserve the right to force the senate to vote on the bill again at the appropriate time. senate democrats are doing everything we can to move bipartisan legislation where the opportunity exists. >> amanda golden is on capitol hill for us. talk to me about kind of the impetus here or the reasoning as to why schumer would force a

vote yet again onjanuary 6th commission knowing full well many of his republican colleagues will not change their mind on that. >> reporter: that's exactly it, yasmin, because there were so few republicans that were willing to support democrats with this commission, this proposed motion that could move it forward to establishing the commission, schumer says it's within his right that he could bring this out for a vote again but he full well knows there are still not ten republican senators on board that could break that 60-vote threshold for the filibuster. so, at least having them called out to make that vote yet again, he's calling out the political consequences by which republican senators, many of them felt that they could not move forward to support this legislation because of the potential repercussions as they looked for what the commission could find and how it could impact their 2022 midterm elections as they look ahead. so, there were six republicans who voted in favor of this commission. lisa murkowski, rob portman, ben sasse, bill cassidy, susan

collins, mitt romney, and there were very strong words that came from nancy pelosi as a result of not seeing enough republicans on board for this legislation. i'm going to read you part of her statement. she said, quote, mitch mcconnell asked senate republicans to do him a personal favor and vote against the january 6th commission. in doing so, mitch mcconnell asked them to be complicit in his undermining of the truth of january 6th. and as to what happens now, though, the next steps, like you said, schumer could bring this commission back for a vote but it doesn't have a very optimistic future. what house democrats can do is look to establish a select committee that would give them that partisan power to investigate the events leading up to and through the attack at the capitol on january 6th, and in a partisan way, be able to issue subpoenas, have people come in to testify, as well as set scheduled hearing dates so they could establish what they're going to exactly look into. there was a push from congressional leadership to want to do this in a bipartisan way. now that that's not seeming like an option, this is the other avenue for house democrats. and i want you to hear some of what congresswoman madeleine

dean said earlier today about the potential for this select committee that house democrats could do when she spoke with our own ali velshi earlier this morning. >> we should have done it by way of an independent commission. sadly, it will have to be now through oversight in the house. with subpoenas, with getting at the truth, collecting text messages, phone calls. we'll find out who was a part of this, but it would have been -- it would have served our country better to have seated an independent commission. >> reporter: so, even while this commission is effectively dead on the senate side, the house's could be inching toward a select committee. that's something nancy pelosi has indicated in the past she would be open to if bipartisanship was not an option to move this forward. don't expect democrats to back down on this. this is not a topic that is going away any time soon, yasmin. >> all right, amanda golden for us on capitol hill, thank you, amanda, good to talk to you once again. let's break all this down. jonathan lemire, white house reporter for the associated press, and an msnbc political

analyst, carlos, former republican congressman from florida and msnbc political analyst, and jonathan allen, senior national politics reporter for nbc news digital and coauthor of "lucky: how joe biden barely won the presidency." welcome to you all, guys, appreciate you joining me on this saturday afternoon. jonathan lemire, let's talk first about the budget. i think there's two topics we want to cover here. first is the budget and second is the january 6th commission, which is essentially dead in the water, not happening. let's talk first budget here and when we piece through this whole thing, you got massive spending mere, $2.3 trillion infrastructure proposal, $1.8 trillion education and families. when you look at discretionary spending, let's bring this up for folks to see. much of it is for healthcare and education, jonathan, and then you move on from that, right, how is this country going to pay for this massive change, this massive bill, and it's tax hikes for the wealthy, tax hikes for

corporations, so to drill down on how is this going to affect, jonathan, americans if it actually becomes law? >> well, what this is, yasmin, is reimagining of the role the government can play in your average american's life. it is a dramatic expansion of the social services safety net. it is an extraordinary sort of, you know, increase in terms of what the government will do and whether things like family care and child care to indeed what we can think of as hard infrastructure like roads, bridges, and so on, and that's just a piece of this. and the president -- as the president is fond of saying, and i believe he quotes his father when he talks about this, he says, you know, a budget is a statement of priorities. it reveals your values. and that's what he is showing here, he and his aides say, look, he feels he's a classic big government democrat, that he believes the government's role is to help, to lift people up, and he believes -- we've heard him say this a number of

times -- including just this week in cleveland, i was traveling with him then, i'm here with him now in wilmington, where he talks about they need to prove that democracies can still work, especially coming out of this pandemic, prove with a nation that's obviously been in turmoil now for years, prove that democracies can still serve its citizens and compete economically in the 21st century with the rising autocracies across the globe, namely china. so, certainly, we feel like the administration has made it clear the next two weeks will be crunch time in terms of whether the infrastructure deal can be worked out, whether it can be any sort of bipartisan agreement, but that is just a piece of the overall budget for this white house. >> so, you actually wrote about the infrastructure deal and i want to read from your piece. president joe biden wants to wrap up infrastructure negotiations soon with senate republicans and is looking ahead to june action in the house after finding their idea of tapping leftover covid relief funds to pay for the investment unworkable, a white house advisor said on friday. where are we at this point,

jonathan, when it comes to infrastructure? >> well, the white house is signaling that, first of all, they're just pleased that there is some bipartisan dialogue, so a lot of issues, of course, we know, in hyperpartisan washington right now, that's not happening at all. infrastructure and policing are the two things that are the exception. they were hoping for more from republicans in their counteroffer that we saw at the end of last week. there's only about $250 billion or so in terms of new spending, and what the republican offer is, it's to tap into the unused covid relief funds to fund a lot of the infrastructure program. white house is saying that's not going to work. first of all, 95% of those funds have already been allocated and secondly, they want to keep the rest of the reserve just in case they're needed for something related to the virus. the white house is sticking to the idea, this should be funded through a tax hike on the wealthiest americans and particularly an increase in the corporate tax rate. they've shown some willingness to compromise on that, to bring down that number a little bit. they've shown some willingness to compromise in terms of the size of the overall package.

there's still some hope here that this can be done, just the hard infrastructure part could be done with some bipartisan support, and then they turn to the rest of the jobs program, the family program, the child care and such, by reconciliation, democrats alone. but if they can't get a deal soon, and the president has been clear he wants something to sort of have real progress the next couple weeks, they may turn to a party line only vote even for the infrastructure part and that could be hard because they still have to reassure some of those moderate democrats like manchin and sinema that they've tried to bring republicans on board. >> carlos, so, where do we start when it comes to republicans? i'm sure you've been speaking to some of your former colleagues here, and obviously, listening to some of the reporting that i have heard from kelly o'donnell and that republicans are definitely not on board when it comes to this budget. they're citing money and citing the budget deficit that is going to continue to balloon here.

and yet they had no problem with spending when it came to trump-era policies so is there any hope here, especially with both the biden budget and biden infrastructure that they can come to some sort of consensus? >> yasmin, during my time in congress, i learned that the party out of power is always the party of fiscal discipline, so we shouldn't be surprised to see republicans now complaining that democrats are overspending and of course under the trump years, it was president trump himself and a lot of republicans who were perfectly comfortable with deficit spending. i see no hope when it comes to the budget. i think what this budget is going to do is going to push republicans back to their more traditional arguments before donald trump about how the size of government and the role of government should be more limited. on infrastructure, i do still see a sliver of hope in the senate. i know they're a group of republican senators who are working in a very sincere way

with the white house and would like to have a bipartisan victory. but if the white house insists on these tax hikes for pay fors, i do think it's going to fall apart and democrats will have to take the path of reconciliation, and i'll say, i think there's some peril there for the biden administration. i think they do need to show at least one or two big bipartisan victories, because joe biden did run as someone who could help heal the country and help bring both sides together. >> john allen, i want to talk about the vote on the january 6th commission and essentially how it's not happening. i want to remind folks, this would have been a bipartisan appointment of an independent investigative body. instead, you are going to have, some would argue, a partisan investigation, and democratic-led investigation into the january 6th riots, right? i don't understand how this benefits republicans and why they would not have voted in

favor of a january 6th commission full well knowing the democrats will move forward no matter what. here's what "the new york times" says. the vote was a stark display of loyalty to former president donald trump and political self-interest by republicans determined to shield themselves from an inquiry that could tarnish their party, john. >> yeah, i mean, in some ways, this mirrors what you see on the transportation infrastructure effort and more broadly what you have seen since 1994 from republicans in congress, that they don't believe that if they give any votes to democrats, that they're able to draw sharper contrast and it doesn't matter whether you're talking about a substantive policy issue or if you're talking about an investigation into the storming of the capitol. republicans look at this as whoever comes out of it, whether it's bipartisan, whether it's partisan, they're going to end up talking about what happened on january 6th more and that's not good for them. they would like to be able to cast it as partisan, so i think that's why you saw so many republicans voting against it,

although i will say, you know, these were significant bipartisan line crossings we saw in both the house and the senate, given how little of that you see at all in these days, so republicans basically don't want to talk about it anymore. i think if you talk to most democrats, they would tell you that the republicans in the senate are acting as accessories after the fact to the january 6th riot because they're basically giving cover to the rioters by not doing a commission at all, and particularly not even being willing to do the kind of bipartisan commission that would require republicans to be there for a quorum, would require republicans to sign on for any findings, you know, this was done in that sort of 9/11 commission type of way. >> john allen for the win with that view. man, oh man, if we could all be hanging out there right now. that looks beautiful. enjoy your memorial day weekend. jonathan allen. jonathan lemire, yours isn't bad either, but seriously, the other john, he wins this one.

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welcome back. the evidence and accusations against former president donald trump continue to pile up amid new reports that a special grand jury has now convened to hear evidence and weigh potential charges in the probe into trump's organization. it's the latest development since the manhattan d.a. and new york attorney general joined forces. at the helm of the probe is allen weisselberg, who prosecutors have been trying to flip into cooperating when it comes to the former president's financial records. he is one of several witnesses from trump's inner circle that investigators have heard from along with his former

daughter-in-law, jennifer weisselberg. trump's former lawyer michael cohen and his two sons who still work as executives at the organization. and now, after continuing to salespeople out about the ongoing probe and what she knows, one of those witnesses and my next guest, claims that she is facing threats and retaliation as well. i want to bring in jennifer weisselberg, former daughter-in-law of trump org cfo allen weisselberg. thanks for joining us on this memorial day weekend. appreciate it. hope you're doing well. let's talk first about the grand jury. have you been -- have you been reached out to for testimony by the grand jury? >> at this time, i cannot comment either way, but i expect to be. it's best that i, for safety reasons and otherwise, legally, i really, really respect cy cease investigation and it's so sensitive but i'll let you know. >> you'll let us know. okay. talk to me about the eviction. i imagine you're sitting in your apartment now.

from what i understand, you are being evicted. >> right, well, it's actually not a trump apartment. as per my divorce, i had to -- allen became the guarantor on the apartment because i was not attached to any money, and he withdrew that guarantor after i spoke out with michael cohen and stephanie winston and sort of connected the dots between what allen was doing in the state -- what allen was doing at the sdny when allen weisselberg was orchestrating with the presidential inaugural committee, it just seems like we took it one step too far, and the retaliation was an immediate and swift serve the following day to vacate. >> and what have you done since then to combat this, to counter this? >> i have to hire another lawyer. you know, this is like my sixth lawyer. i've got the civil case that

allen weisselberg has been running against me with his son, barry, since i got back from the inauguration and decided to separate myself from the family. once i realized that criminality was going on, i wanted to immediately divorce myself from this kind of activity. that's not who i am, not willing to be a part of that. there have been so many lawyers, but now i have to get a real estate lawyer on top of it and try to fight, even though there's a moratorium on covid and i have spoken to the attorney general's office about it, it doesn't matter. rules don't apply to the trumps or weisselbergs. donald trump knows the owner of my building. they do real estate deals together for decades, 40, 50 decades, and so they have the influence to say, we will withdraw all future real estate deals with you and your management company if you do not do what we say. that's the same kind of threats we get on a micro level here in new york, that we see in the senate and the macro level. there's nothing different with

their behavior. >> why are you continuing to speak out if you are now getting these threats? >> well, i mean, at this point, i am involved in it. i didn't speak to the press for years. the revelations about the tax fraud and tax evasion and the issues are something that i have known about for four or five years. it's just now coming to light. the investigations take time. you know, they're complicated. but the real reason i'm speaking out and i appreciate you asking that, is something that i can't talk about at this time. when i think every mother and every woman in the world, not just this country, will absolutely understand why i'm doing this when the details come out, but they put a gag order on me to not talk about it because it's that bad. >> when can you talk about it? >> we're -- they tried to put -- they tried to put me in prison for talking about the children's

tuition. i mean, they're -- right now, i'm fighting with that four or five lawyers. i literally had to liquidate my entire 401(k), my entire future every time i have, and i'm being outresourced by allen. i'll be able to talk about it as soon as we can get this gag order and then now contempt charge removed in the supreme civil court. >> jennifer, before i let you go, i just want you to comment on what we heard from allen weisselberg's attorneys. we reached out to them regarding your claims of being evicted and they basically said, no comment. what does that mean to you? >> they don't comment. i mean, guilty people don't comment. people that are free and haven't done anything fight. i mean, it's impossible to fight in the dark. what it means to me is guilty. if they wanted to say something, a statement like he says through his lawyer now, the new, you

know, ploy they're using is he's not involved in legal, he's only involved in accounting, that's what he's using with the d.a.'s investigation into his own probe. not true, not true. we're discussing now and the d.a. knows that his name goes to all legal bills. another email goes to all legal bills, it's all financed by him. not true. i say if you want to speak out, you're free, you're innocent. for those who don't, they're hiding. that's typical of allen. i've seen that my whole life with him. >> jennifer weisselberg, thank you, and i wish you the best of luck, and i do hope that you come back and speak out even more. >> thank you for having me. >> thanks. i want to bring in john flannery to dive a little deeper into all this. he's a former federal prosecutor from the southern district of new york. thanks for joining us. i appreciate it. let's talk about the grand jury and possible witness testimony that we could see coming out of the grand jury. i'm sure you just heard the

interview that i had with jennifer weisselberg. >> i did, yes. >> and i asked her about whether or not she had been contacted by the grand jury for testimony, and she said she couldn't necessarily comment on that, but it seems to me, and i want to get your opinion on this, that she would be a perfect witness testimony for grand jury considering the fact that she is now alleging that she is facing threats from inside the trump organization because she has been speaking out. >> it does suggest that what she's saying is hurting the trump organization, trump, the family, and the fortune. and what we learned in america, particularly when you go dancing against the trumps, is that freedom of speech is a prepositional freedom when you're dealing with them. you have freedom of speech. you don't have freedom after speech. what they're doing in terms of compromising her ability to live and looking for ways to stop her from speaking suggests that she is submitting herself because she feels so strongly what she has to offer is important in a

prosecution sense, but she's suffering for it. and we've seen this happen over the last four, five years in a whole variety of contexts, in any case in which you decide to duel with trump, when you argue truth against slander and power. and so, it's not surprising that what she's experienced is going on. it's sad. it's unfortunate. also, unlike the federal system, where we have a more liberal way to deal with obstruction, we don't have that kind of liberality in the state. for example, the kind of obstruction that we run into is if you should interfere with the law enforcement officer, and i don't mean resisting arrest, something else, and so we don't have something similar for citizens who get into this bind. now, whether you can argue it's consciousness of guilt as an evidentiary matter before the grand jury is something else. some prosecutors tell individuals not to talk when they appear before the grand

jury. i think you and i are more likely to levitate if she's not appearing before the grand jury already or sometime soon. >> looking at a future trial here, right, let's just for a moment kind of do that, future forecasting. >> yes. >> and thinking about a witness like jennifer weisselberg. is she the type of witness that a defense could really kind of drill down on, considering, i should, her vulnerabilities in all this, right, being an ex-daughter-in-law, an ex-wife, and it seems obviously that there are children involved in their dispute, that her motivation would make her a vulnerable witness. >> no question. what compromises her credibility will be discussed. but the flipside of that is as the daughter-in-law of weisselberg and intimate in the family with all the goings on, that also gives her credibility. so, she's in a position to know things nobody else knows, and she has documents that she's

provided to the d.a. and maybe the a.g. as well, and so, the corroboration you get is between what she says and the documents she's presented that corroborate what she said. so -- and you know, being married to his son, allen weisselberg's son, gives her further credibility because of the intimacy. so, you know, every witness in a criminal case is attacked in some way or other, and it shouldn't surprise us that somebody as close to the trump family would be attacked as well. we've seen it with the other witnesses, other people have come forward on hearings on the hill and trials that have been held. >> just quickly here, john, before i let you go, how quickly could this investigation go? at this point? >> i'm not sure it's an investigation rather than a presentation of evidence to the grand jury. i know everybody's calling it an investigation. >> got it. >> but i suspect, because the

grand jury has some very severe rules in new york to assure that what's true or not before the grand jury and sufficient and credible is that the reason they might be meeting three days a week out of the five is to present the evidence they have to present to protect the indictments that they may return from any attacks after they are presented. i, myself, as a defense counsel, once attacked an indictment that way. >> got it. all right, john flannery, thank you as always. great to see you. coming up, everybody, people are hitting the streets to mark 100 years since the tulsa race massacre and the destruction of black wall street. nbc's trymaine lee is in the streets with how people are remembering the massacre. streets with how people are remembering the massacre

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>> repair me. repair me as a person, repair me as a citizen, whatever that takes, whatever it looks like. we're talking about going on four generations of tragedy. >> reporter: the what ifs here, yasmin, are still plaguing folks who didn't get the opportunity to inherit any of the wealth of their ancestors but also inherited the trauma and the hurt and the pain, they're still trying to sift through that and be made whole, yasmin. >> lot of emotion there. trymaine lee for us. good to see you. be sure to watch his special, by the way, blood on black wall street, an in-depth look at what happened in the tulsa race massacre, airing here on msnbc or catch it on demand on peacock as well. coming up, everybody, with police reform slowly making its way through congress, nbc's craig melvin sat down with a few black police officers to hear their unique perspective on the subject and how it's impacted their lives. you don't want to miss that

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. welcome back. amid the racial reckoning in america, this strikes emotional nerves as the country grapples with a long history of violence against black americans. monday marking 100 years since the tulsa massacre when a whiting mob destroyed what was known as black wall street. may 25th, marking the one-year anniversary of the police killing of george floyd, a death reigniting a nationwide fight for police reform. and this week msnbc anchor craig melvin spoke with black police officers reflecting on the past year and what it means to be a black officer in this country today. >> what has it been like being a police officer over the past year? >> you know, i will say this. it's been hard, right?

and those hard times have not existed solely within the last year. but being black and seeing the police misconduct, the feeling has been the same and that feeling has been heavy. it's been disbelief and misunderstanding. at times it's hopeless. >> i became a cop because i was arrested. on my way to lockup, his partner asked him what happened to you back there? he told the partner, he just snapped. 17-year-old kid handcuffed, hearing two officers saying that he didn't know, but he had the power and authority to take my freedom. from that point on, i was on a

mission to become a police officer. i wanted to change on how to impact within my community. >> when i was a young man and growing up in harlem, i would -- i used to live directly across the street from the police precinct. and i would see how the police interacted with the community. and there was always one police officer who always stood out to me in my community. when i decided to become a police officer, i wanted to be that guy. i wanted to be that guy that the community can trust and believe in and have an opportunity to talk to. >> detective, i want to come back to you for a moment here. >> yes, sir. >> how old is your season? >> my son is 27. >> 27 now. when he was younger, what did you tell him about how you should interact with the police? >> well, with the organization that i participate in, i would

hold seminars on how to interact with the police, not just for my son, but for all black and brown kids that would come and listen. the interaction would be to mitigate -- your goal is to get away from a situation unscathed, alive, not hurt, or whatever, to comply with the police officer and adjudicate the situation at a later date. but after the george floyd case, i can no longer hold this conversation because he complied in all forms. he did all he could to mitigate the situation to get out of it, and yet he still lost his life. so now that question comes up. i can't answer it because there is no answer. >> the skepticism that has long existed between communities of color and law enforcement, how

do we go about continuing to bridge that gap? how do we go about healing -- healing those wounds? >> your leaders, obviously your police and sheriff's around the country have to realize we don't have all the answers. >> when you defund the police, you take away the security of those who want stability in a neighborhood. this is -- when i hear the phrase defund the police, i think it's the most ludicrous thing in the world because it implies that certain communities don't want police protection, which is far from the truth. >> george floyd opened a discussion about more real, genuine transparency. when you wait a year, two years to release a video, it's just --

adds to anxiety and emotional distress with an community, adds to the complete distrust of government and makes our jobs even more difficult. >> when we heard the verdict for derek chauvin, there was a sigh. i will say that. but by no means did i take this as an indication of the system being fixed. >> thank you to msnbc's craig medical have i been for that. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm yasmin vossoughian. thank you for watching. more news after a quick break. [truck horn blares] (vo) the subaru forester.

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good evening, and welcome to "politicsnation." on this memorial day weekend. tonight's lead, a monument to traitors. right now, as we enjoy this unofficial beginning to summer, half the country is vaccinated and economists predict a boom coming for the nation. it's the inverse of our last memorial day when covid seemed uncontrollable. our cities were shuttered and republican lawmakers were calling for every punishment for