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msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to "alex witt reports." we're beginning with breaking news out of texas. lawmakers in the house chamber are expected to pass one of the most restrictive voting laws in america. it was approved by the state senate this morning. it was debated all night. it approved by the house, governor greg abbott is expected to sign it today. >> i think the intent, and i'm not in state legislature, is to restore confidence in the elections that fraud isn't taking place. now, you make a good point. it's federal prosecutor, in a court of law, you know, that havents really been borne to air. this could be restoring confidence issue with american people. in my state i actually do

believe there was tremendous fraud. >> texas law is shameful and republicans in texas and throughout the country want to make it harder to vote and easier to steal an election. >> on capitol hill democrats are plotting their next move after senate republicans blocked a bipartisan commission to investigate the january 6th capitol hill riot. democratic leaders plan to meet this week to discuss what can be done and fast. >> i am sick of playing the game of whack-a-mole with gop members in the congress. every time we address one of their concerns, another one pops up. this is pressing, growing and we need to address it with some timeliness. >> the clock also ticking on infrastructure. president biden set memorial day as a soft deadline to reach a deal. there is not one in sight but some have hopes of reaching one, like senator shelley moore capato. >> i think we can get to a compromise. the president told me himself,

let's try to get -- let's get this done. we realize this is not easy. i think we bring every idea on the table into the negotiations to see how we can achieve this and get it across the threshold. >> and marking his first memorial day as commander in chief, president biden spoke a short time ago at an event in delaware on honoring fallen soldiers as well as his late son beau who died six years ago today. helping us break down the headlines, msnbc's monica alves at the capitol. monica, the president having taken a bit of a break to make his first memorial day remarks. what all did we hear from the. the? >> his first, exactly, alex, as commander in chief. he participated in an event in delaware he's attended for the last 40 or so years as senator, vice president and now the president and this is a day that does carry a lot of extra weight specifically for him and his family given it is the six-year

anniversary of the passing of beau biden, who died of brain cancer. it's something the president acknowledged right away in his remarks. of course, hon herring service members ahead of memorial day tomorrow and speaking to the sacrifice at large that so many have suffered. this is a president who, of course, is all too fa many with grief and loss. he tried to extend that to the gold star families in attendance saying one day he hopes the memories of those who have been lost either in the line of duty or since as veterans would bring a smile to their lips before a tear to their eye. something we've heard this president talk about as the consoler in chief for months now. but what was also interesting is he did frame this as a bigger moment of reflection for the country on everything we can appreciate from our own service members. take a listen to what he talked about at this event in delaware today. >> folks, we're unique in all of

history. we really are. those names on that wall and every other wall and tombstone in america of veterans is the reason we're able to stand here. he can't kid ourselves about that. and so i hope, be i hope that the nation comes together. we're not democrats or republicans today. we're americans. we're americans who have given their lives. [ applause ] it's time we remind everybody who we are. >> reporter: that call for unity at least on this topic hopefully, a bipartisan one. alex, the note did venture into politics at the end of the speech. he talked about his upcoming summit with russia's vladimir putin. he said he was going to press him specifically on the issue of human rights abuses in russia. so, he did want to make sure that was a part of his remarks.

of course, book ending all of this, given the anniversary of beau biden's death, the president also attended church in wilmington this morning and visited the grave site where beau biden is beard alongside the president's former first wife and his young baby daughter killed in that car accident decades ago. we should remind everybody who may not know that beau biden served in iraq. in is deeply, deeply personal for this president who tomorrow will be going to arlington national cemetery to participate in the laying of a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier as so many past commanders in chief have done. >> the president working with a heavy heart, no doubt. we appreciate it, nonetheless. thank you so much. the democrats weighing options after republicans blocked that vote to investigate the january 6th riot. it's the first bill to die by a minority filibuster since the president took office. new polling shows more than half republicans do not believe trump

is to blame for inciting the attack. let's go to nbc's amanda golden on capitol hill. amanda, what are the options that remain on the table? >> reporter: the likeliest option is for house democrats to pursue a select committee. that's something they could establish to investigate the riot at the capitol on their own. that wouldn't need republican support in order to establish that commission, which is something congressional leadership did not want to have to pursue initially but this is an option house speaker nancy pelosi is open to. she's indicated previously she would consider it. now it's going to be a choice up to house democrats how they want to proceed. some of what this potential select committee could do is give house democrats subpoena power as well as the ability to schedule hearings to bring witness testimony and drive that investigation into what happened on january 6th, as well as evaluate former president trump's role in potentially inciting the violence we saute

place. the reason this is now the likeliest option is because senate republicans did block that vote that took place on friday from moving forward in order to establish an independent bipartisan commission. there were only six republican senators who ended up joining with democrats to support this legislation when they needed at least ten in order to be able to break that 60-vote threshold in order to move on beyond a filibuster. that was met with a very harsh statement from house speaker nancy pelosi as to the political calculation of those republicans who did not join in. i want to read you part of her statement. she said, quote, mitch mcconnell asked senate republicans to do him a personal favor and vote against the january 6th commission. in doing so, mitch mcconnell asked them to be complicit in his undermining of the truth of january 6th. now some republicans and democrats want to move forward with an vegs of what happened on january 6th with the select committee the likeliest option. i want you to take a listen to what we heard on the sunday shows from both democratic rep

jeffries and republican rep barbara come stock. >> we have to get to the bottom of why it happened, how it happened and how we prevent something like that from happening again. we'll re-evaluate what the way forward is in the next few days. >> i would have preferred that be an independent outside investigation that was nonpartisan. i think that would remove it from the political sphere ask allow republicans and democrats to return to working on the issues that they all say they want to work on. but i think now it will be an investigation in congress. >> reporter: so now what senate majority leader chuck schumer has indicated is he could put that independent bipartisan committee back on the floor for a vote. he has that power to do so but there still aren't at least ten republican senators that would vote in unless mitch mcconnell were in some way to instigate his members to change their vote. but as we've seen this play out now, the biggest option on the

table is really for house democrats to move forward with their own select committee in order to investigate the events leading up to and through january 6th. >> let me ask you about gladys sicknick, the mother of the late officer brian sicknick, who has been trying to lobby senate republicans. what has the reaction been? >> the mother of brian sicknick, the late capitol police officer who did die as a result of the attack on january 6th, she came to capitol hill to personally lobby republican senators to try to get them to vote with this democrat -- with the democrats for the independent bipartisan commission. she spoke candidly, that she said the meetings were tense but she did not expect them to ching their vote. wanted even the mother of a late capitol police officer could change the fate of this independent commission here. >> amanda golden, thank you for that. joining me right now,

congresswoman madeleine dean. with a welcome to you. tell me what is the next move for your caucus when it comes to investigating the capitol riot? >> it's good to be with you this memorial day weekend. it strikes me it's a lack of shame. the setting was the leadup to memorial day weekend. we're witnessing a republican majority in the senate no longer capable of feeling shame or smelling the hypocrisy. as you reported, brian sicknick's mother and partner went door to door in the senate, draped in their own grief and asked, please, pass the independent commission so we get to the facts of what happened and how my son was killed and how others were injured. what did the senators do? they rejected her. they voted no. the majority of republican

senators voted no and then returned home to their districts to lift up and to honor those who fought and served and died protecting us. can they not see the hypocrisy? can they not feel the shame? we will move forward. we will caucus this week. we have obviously oversight we can do in committees. we have the possibility that the speaker will seek a select committee. all of which would be fine and offering of testimony, facts and circumstances surrounding the most han nous attack on our democracy, but an independent commission was the what i to go. shame on the republican senators who couldn't vote for it. as i say, they don't seem to feel shame. >> i've got to tell you, it's rather stunning listening to you put it in the perspective of the vote, timing this week, voting this down and going home to their districts and saying, memorial day, we honor our fallen soldiers. it is remarkable when you think about what gladys sicknick and she said the response was by

republican senators. she said they were insincere. it's as if they were playing lip service. that's heart breaking in itself. in terms of your position as house management in donald trump's second impeachment trial. how do you square the evidence your team presented to the senate then with republicans fridays voting to block this panel? >> that's very much the same framework, isn't it? nearly the same vote. six republicans only voted with the democrats in order to try to pass the independent commission. here's the difference. i understand constitutionally, we understood what we were up against. in terms of seating an independent commission should not be a part of filibuster. that is not what our framers and founders wished for. they envisioned a simple majority vote for most things, unlike impeachment.

the use of the filibuster to defeat this, even though there was a majority vote, we have to look very, very seriously and remind ourselves that they did not wish for majority. it was a majority elected by the citizens. >> speaking of citizens, there's a new poll that shows one in five republicans view the capitol attack as a justified act. i mean, fair to say, that's something an investigation cannot fix, but your fellow republicans could by condemning it. do you see any willingness among your gop colleagues to do that? >> not at all. you see what has happened. even in our vote on the independent commission, a vast majority of republicans couldn't do it. they need to do what is necessary, which is to tell the truth. it is not surprising -- it's sad but not surprising that poll result, but where did it come from.

it came from disinformation and lies of elected officials from the very top. remember, before the election, then president donald trump was calling into question the results of the election that had not even taken place. complicit it him was then attorney general barr. so, these people, these would-be leaders owe the truth. it is not surprising. it's sad, but it is not surprising that poll result where many think it might have been justified. there can be no justification but elected leaders, who know no shame, really have to face the truth and bring the truth to their constituents. >> loet me ask you what's on the dockett. don mcgahn will be testifying before the house judiciary behind closed doors. i know you're on that committee. what kind of questions would you like him to answer? >> well, i am on the committee, i'm vice chair, so i'll be pleased to be there behind closed doors. what we'll finally be able to

ask him is about what donald trump did in terms of possibly obstructing justice. you remember mueller report, volume 2, detailed many incidences of what appears to be obstruction of justice by the former president. don mcgahn testified, as was reported in the mueller report, that the president came to him and urged him to direct rosenstein to fire mueller, special counsel mueller. in fact, trump said to him, call me back when you have done it. obstruction of justice. that's just one incident. another incident that he testified to, and appears in the unredacted portions of the mueller report, is then trump went to him and said, change the documents, change the paperwork around this exchange. mcgahn wouldn't do either of those things. we want to hear from mr. mcgone about those kinds of practicings by a sitting president to try to obstruct justice. >> thank you. congresswoman dean, thank you for spending time with me on the

holiday weekend. i appreciate you. back to breaking news in florida. a deadly mass shooting overnight in miami-dade county. happened outside an entertainment venue. police say it was a targeted act of violence involving three suspects who jumped out of an suv and open fire outside that concert. one parent described the horror of getting the phone call that his daughter was injured. >>. >> don't let it be mine and then turned out to be mine. so you never know what it feels like until you have something jerked away from you. >> nbc's sam brock is joining me once again. what more can you tell us about what happened and where do things stand on this sunday? >> reporter: so many parents walked into last night thinking their kids were going to enjoy a concert or a rap album release

party. one of the two. we're still working on details of that. it happened over my shoulder in this run of the mill shopping center in northwest miami-dade county, an area that folks who live here say has never experienced violence on the scale like that until now. talking to parents, i just spoke with angelica green, whose son, 24-year-old, was here last night. he called her, apparently, his mom just before 1:00 in the morning. imagine being a parent and getting this phone call and he said, i've been shot. mom, i'm hurt, i'm hurt. she's on the phone line with her husband listening to this and they're trying to stay, stay with us, stay with us. we can get you through this. he ended up going, according to the mother, with several friends in a car, self-transporting to a hospital here and then had to go to a trauma center for surgery and chad harris, the father you heard from a second ago when he introduced the segment, also describing his daughter undergoing surgery as well. there are many other parents right now in that exact same position, as we know there were 20-plus people shot, 2 killed so

far because another person is in critical condition as well. we are efforting more information from miami-dade police, expecting to speak from the director in the next hour or so. so many questions right now. thesis three men police say came in an suv, popped out and started firing. why were they targeting this particular venue and how many bullets did they discharge? some evidence markers show they're in the 80s or 90s. does that mean there were 90-plus bullets fired last night? so many questions and a void for parents. this is what we heard overnight and now today. >> i've lived here for 21 years and i've never experienced this. all we can do is pray because this can happen anywhere. it's not the neighborhood. it's the way whoa live. it's society. everyone owns a weapon. >> alex, just for context, it is notable the gun violence

archives which tracks mass shootings and considers it four or more people shot or injured, looked at the numbers. right now we're at 237 for 2021. it was 417 in 2019. it was over 060 in 2020. we'll be talking with every town for gun safety to find out whether or not this is actually going to outpace last year if there's more activity over the summer. what we should be expecting. there's no question about one thing, there is a gun violence epidemic in this country and we're seeing it play out once again, inexplicably, here in miami. >> it's terrifying the way you report what parents are going through. i exchanged a glance with my floor director, anna. we're both parents. it's their worst nightmares. it's unbelievable it's happening to this extent. sam brock, thank you for bringing it to our attention. what's happening in tulsa this weekend is more than just remembering the horrific massacre more than 100 years ago. people want action. also, thoughts from legendary news anchor dan rather

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right now the city of tulsa is gearing up to mark 100 years since the race massacre in the greenwood district. the heinous attack was carried out by a white mob on may 29, 2921. they targeted the prosperous black community nicknamed black wall street. nearly 200 businesses were demolished. some 10,000 black residents displaced. all of it without a shred of accountability. now a century later, they are

trying to shine a light on families and their victims. let's go to antonio who is there. welcome to you. what's the mood there? i know it's not celebratory, but at least a sense of optimism or hope that the focus is going to bring some change? >> reporter: hi, alex. so, i'm right in the middle of the greenwood district, this historic area called black wall street. there's really a mix of emotions here right now. there's some joy, some hope. people are happy they can come here as the pandemic eases up and be around each other in this black community, patronize black-owned businesses, visit black entrepreneurs, enjoy live music. when you look at their faces, there is some of that joy and that hope but there's also tension in this city right now and anger. looshgs the mayor of tulsa has come out and said, he does not supported reparations at this time but what we have heard from

descendants and survivors that there is no healing without restitution. it's hard to move forward from the events that transpired 100 years ago when many people can point to their family members. they point to refugee stories of their great grandparents or grandparents fleeing the city. i want you to take a listen to some of the conversations we had. >> i think the centennial of this race massacre is a moment to heal as a community. >> people here in tulsa did everything that was asked of them, and then the result was, it was destroyed with the help of the government. and i feel i neededed to be here to be with my ancestors to say, we think you should be paid after 100 years. it's long overdue. >> it can never be too late.

there's always restoration. it's healing, it's a healing process. it's like a wound. if you cut and you bleed, it takes a while to heal but it will heal. >> reporter: i want to show you what i mean when people say it's hard to move on from what happened 100 years ago. right in front of me you can see plaques. these plaques show you clearly businesses right here, owned by families that historians, that residents here still know. right here we have a former shop -- this was a cigar store. next to it, this was a former billiard shop. behind me, barbershop, bakeries. it goes down this block right here. across the street from me, there is a shop that has an original facade with bricks from -- dating back to the time of the massacre. for black people that live in this community, they walk in their neighborhood, in their community and they're reminded

of what they lost constantly. so, what they want to make sure is this isn't just a festivaling, isn't just a party. it's a move to put political pressure on the powers here in the city and in the state to not just make this a celebration and remembrance but to take action and, in their view, make the black people who live here in tulsa whole. >> i'm so glad you showed us those plaques because that puts in perspective how literally those residents every day are reminded of what they lost 100 years ago. historical perspective is always key. thank you so much, antonio hilton. tonight all of you can catch outstanding special on the tulsa massacre called "blood on black wall street" tonight at 10:00 p.m. on msnbc and catch it on demand from our streaming service peacock. you should check out podcast into america. episode one is available. new reaction to the decision by senate republicans who on

friday blocked an independent commission to investigate the january 6th attack on the capitol. jason crow telling "meet the press" it's hard to remain optimistic. >> the impact of fear, the fear of donald trump, and the impact of power, the desire for power by certain elements in the gop is overriding, you know, that patriotism, that desire to do what's necessary for the good of the country and it's, frankly, very depressing. >> joining me now, dan rather, former anchor of "cbs evening news" and now president of news and guts media. it's always an honor to have you. you're an optimist, so what do you make of this fear of trump did the overshadowing the republican party, even at this stage, months out of office? >> well, it's hard to know what to make of it. i agree, while i have an

optimist, it's difficult times will remain optimistic about any number of things. there's a thread running through what's happening in our country the last 48 hours and in it the coming 24 hours. we have this memorial day where a member of the people, sacrificed our liberty. and then you have things like the republicans saying, no, no, we're not going to investigate. we don't want to investigate. we don't want to know what happened. one of the most severe if not the most severe attacks on our capitol in the history of the country. and then a reminder of racism of the 1920s in tulsa, and then the texas senate passing outrageous, no other way to put it other than racism laws. there's a thread running through this. that is our country right now is unsettled. we're in a perilous time.

donald trump is wielding enormous power over his party. you have to ask yourself of those republican senators who voted against the independent commission, where were the words of patriotism, honor, duty, country above politics? are those things they learned in civics class in maybe the seventh grade? they simply weren't there. it is a difficult time to be optimistic, but this much we know, alex, that deep down and in the inner soul of the country, people know this is outrageous. i have to believe that sooner or later things are going to swing around. but i have to say right now it's pretty hard to make that case. >> i'm curious, darngs why do you think this country, when we see poll after poll reflecting the really enormous number of people that believe that this was a justifiable attack on this country, why do you think

americans still are so divided over it? what is it about our culture that's allowing that to persist? >> well, a couple of things. in no particular order. number one, there's been a demographic shift in the country. as you know, our demographs have changed over the last 50, 60, 70 years since the immigration reform act. this scares a lot of people so outright fear is one of the things. then we have politicians like donald trump. in fact, donald trump specifically who are adept at exploiting those fears. and fears of the future of the country in such a demographic changeover with so many black people and people of hispanic origin rising up and challenging for power. leadership makes a difference, alex. we've had the quote/unquote

leadership for donald trump with four years. what he inflicted on the country with his divisive acts can't be done over in weeks or months. it will take a long while and will take dedication. i think it's frightening. i like to think, fear nothing but god and hurricanes, but it is frightening to think where the country may be going if, for example, we were to have an economic downturn. does not look like there's any economic downturn in the foreseeable future, but if we were to have a severe economic downturn on top of all of the racism, the outright racism being exhibited in the country today and the divisions led by donald trump, as i say, it's a difficult time to be optimistic, but i'll cling to it for whatever chances there are. >> i'm glad you will, sir. i'd like to get your take on a couple of people, matt gaetz,

marjorie taylor greene. how often have political characters appeared on national political scene and to what effect? >> first of all, on our political scene, these characters have appeared pretty regularly over the course -- time after time, we've had some real characters. have we had any that matched these two? i would be hard-pressed to say yes to that. our system allows for a lot of strange characters to come into political power. now, each of them -- at least for a short time in historically such characters have had their followings. that can be dangerous in any given congressional district or any state or senate, but usually they flame out. they get 15 minutes of fame and they flame away and flame out. in some cases, george wallace, for example, they're able to build on what they start out with in a small way and become national figures.

i'm willing to bet that neither one of these two actually last as national figures for too long. >> well, from your lips to god's ears. let me ask you one last question before i let you go. your take on the new white house. give us your report card on the biden/harris administration so far? >> first of all, i'll try to do that. let's remember, it's still very early. we won't have that excuse very long, but it's still very early. i think president biden gets very high marks for the way he's handled the coronavirus, making that a priority. he's done a very good job of that. he's done a very good job of introducing his new infrastructure bill, but i will say that i get the feeling that his administration has slowed down, i wouldn't say bogged down, but slowed down some, been slowed down by mitch mcconnell and the republicans. and everything -- i won't say everything, but much depends on whether he's able to get any

infrastructure bill worthy of the name through. as of now, i would say the chances are 50/50. you have to give him on the early basis a b-plus, probably an a-minus. >> duly noted, that grade from you, sir. let me remind our viewers, as i thank you, you are the creator of the steady newsletter on substack, the co-author "what unites us: reflections on patriotism" and one of my late father's favorite books. always a pleasure, dan rather. >> thank you, alex. it's always an honor to be with you. >> thank you. we thought we'd never see this again. the return of the sun, sand, surf with no vaccines needed, if you got your vaccine. we'll show you another sign things are getting back to normal. that's next. >> i am fully vaccinated, so i feel like i'm out here protecting myself. >> i'm super excited to be around people. everybody is -- there's an energy now. everybody's so excited to be out. i'm ordering some burritos! oh, nice. burritos?! get a freshly made footlong from subway® instead.

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we've seen a slew of people come throughout the morning, just stopping by to get that vaccine. this is now all in partnership with iu health and with the folks at the motor speedway. actually for months they've been vaccinating people in a drive-through manner. about 88,000 people they have been able to vaccinate by driving through the speedway, get your vaccine and go on with your day. this is a similar situation. you can walk right up and get your vaccine at the first aid center. i want to tell you about some folks we talked to this morning. here you go. >> i'm not for it, but if it means getting everybody else back to normal, you do your part. and my kids will quit getting yoen to me. >> i think it's the right thing to do. i mean, you know, we're all in this together, mankind. we've got to take care of each other. >> one step ahead to no mask. which quoo be really nice. >> pretty cool, yeah. to say that i was vaccinated at the indy 500. >> reporter: this is all about

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weisselberg. "the washington post" has reported the manhattan's d.a.'s office has been putting pressure on weisselbergweisselberg, divi personal and financial affairs. joining me is jennifer weisselberg, former daughter-in-law of trump organization cfo allen weisselberg. first, i have to ask your reaction when you heard the reaction from a special grand jury had been convened. what went through your mind? >> oh, i lost my breath. i was in shock, actually. i didn't realize it was going to happen this soon. i did happy it happening, but i was shocked. >> and part of the reason you anticipated it happening, perhaps, is because i know you have spoken with investigators, correct? i'm curious how many times. can you tell us the nature of the questions and do you think you'll be called as a witness for this grand jury? >> i was called originally by the attorney general's office which has now combined efforts with the d.a. back in september

after allen weisselberg was deposed in 2020. the d.a.'s office reached out to me in november and i was subpoenaed in april for more documents. it's ongoing. the subpoena requires me to turn over every document in my ongoing divorce post judgment case. any financials, any information about the lawyers and the resourcing of the civil cases against me, and the new york city contracts. >> so that's documents, jennifer. have you spoken with him about what you have heard, what you heard at the family dinner table or sort of the ether of the trump organization to which you were privy for those years while part of the weisselberg family? >> right. so it's been 28 years and so, yes, part of my value to the d.a. has been -- and a.g.,

character witness, the type of control, the relationship between the trump organization orbit, the families. yes, i did meet with the d.a.'s office already as a witness with my role, anything i had to do with the trump organization itself or the players that are being looked at and then also one meeting was about weisselberg and his role, specifically about compensation. questions they had about tax -- possible tax exemptions, compensation and perks and a separate meeting with the big guns was about allen weisselberg. >> i want to take a listen with you to part of the exchange i had yesterday with the former trump organization executive barbara rez. take a listen with me. >> who do you think trump is most worried about now? who should he be? >> weisselberg, absolutely. because, you know, they're going after weisselberg's sons and that in itself -- if it weren't enough to be afraid of going to

prison, which i think it would be, allowing your child to go to prison is something i don't believe weisselberg -- i know him a little bit. i knew him years ago. i'm sure he's changed with all the fame and fortune, but he's not the kind of person to allow his soul to be punished of his own deeds. >> do you agree with that? is your former father-in-law the person donald trump should be most worried about? and what do you think he'll say about the trump organization's financial deal sngz how forthcoming will he be? >> i think barbara is correct. but i do think -- i read something else she said. i think it had been a while since barbara had been around. as she said, they have changed. they changed dramatically when they came into power with the presidency. it really went to their heads. they were extremely enabled and had no accountability so weisselberg does lie. he has perjured himself with

most depositions. looks like he was trying to avoid the inevitable but now that there's a personal criminal probe on him and they are going hard on his children, i agree with barbara. he's going to flip. >> he will flip. how hard is that going to be for him given the lifestyle that paralleled his work with the trump organization? i presume it's a very pleasant, comfortable lifestyle and that there may be a sense of loyalty to donald trump, certainly. >> we started with fred, fred trusted him with keeping his books and then he taught donald the business and so it's his legacy. i think when it comes down to being 75, you have to look at what's best for your own family. donald has aspirations for the white house. i think it's best if we all just worry about our own family. the organization has major issues and i don't think -- i

know i wouldn't have gone to the grand jury over a former president if it wasn't serious. >> does your former father-in-law like donald trump? >> yes. oh, yeah. oh, yeah, they're close. they're friends. that's why you see them at weddings, oh, yeah. yes. he absolutely likes him. this is probably a really difficult situation. i just think there needs to be accountability with the crimes and taxes don't lie. yes, yes, they like each other very much. >> all right. jennifer weisselberg, this has been very interesting. thank you for your candor. i hope to see you again. breaking news today in the sports world that involves one of the biggest stars in tennis. there's a lot of controversy over why the french open is fining her today. reaction to why this might be happening and whether it was fair. that's next. ether it was fair that's next. we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit,

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tennis superstar naomi osaka find $15,000 at the french open today. and the reason? she refused to speak with report irs today following her first round win. osaka was threatened by all four grand slam tournaments with stiffer penalties, including being defaulted if she avoids continuing to meet with the media. dave, put this into perspective here. how did it get to this point? because osaka gave a heads up, she told before the tournament, everyone, she wasn't going to talk to reporters. why not? >> yeah. naomi osaka leveled a very long missive that she sent out to the press and made public that she was dealing withmental health concerns, and that the press, at these tournaments, and this is not the first time this has been said, certainly by women athletes in particular, that there is a tremendous amount of pressure that's put on these players by the media themselves.

particularly in france. and so naomi osaka was saying, i'm not going to do media. she's certainly not the first pro athlete to do this. in the nba, kyrie irving made a lot of noise. but the response to him, not speaking to the media, was a regular set of fines. he wasn't threatened with not being able to play or being shut out of the tournaments all together. and he certainly didn't have to deal with mocking tweets from the official account of the french open, for goodness sake, and this letter that you mentioned from the four major tournaments. it's brutal. it's like, you're not bigger than tennis, we can take you or leave you. so no sympathy, no empathy, no effort to find common ground. i find it shocking. >> me, too. with regard to defaulting her, do you think they would do that? the fans love her. she's a fan draw. come on.

>> this is so crazy. if you had asked me this question two hours ago, i would say of course they couldn't default naomi osaka. she's arguably the biggest name in tennis. having read the letter just before coming on the air, it's so dismissive and arrogant of the very real concerns that she's putting forward. she's not saying i don't want to talk to the media, i'm only going to produce my only media and release it on my twitter page. she's talking about very real mental health concerns, and her ability to play the best possible tennis. i think there's all sorts of ground in her statement, where she's trying to find some middle ground to say i want to be there for the fans. i also need to worry about myself, particularly in the context of this tournament. and their response is to say yeah, you can go home or not, we don't care. >> look, dave, i'm sure you've been if a post match or postgame, and a lot of times their focus is, why did you lose? where did you know that you had

lost the tournament or lost this match? how do you come back from this? it's brutal. that said, there will be people who watch this and say okay, she might make a million dollars by play thing tournament. so what we want to know is the psyche of a professional athlete. we want to hear about this. how is that going to play out, do you think? >> i've also heard from several members of the media, of the tennis media, who put forward this point of saying when you go to a place like france, it's incredibly important among local media, smaller outfits. but remember, tennis is huge in eastern europe where they send the one newspaper to get the quote from naomi osaka. so this is important to spreading is gospel of tennis to small towns across the world, really. so i get why they see it as that important. but i also think naomi osaka would be willing to work with these publications and figure out how to speak about the post

match. she just doesn't want to be part of the scrum. and rather than -- i'm not saying they have to totally honor that. but rather than working with her to figure out a way to be at her best for the tournament, i'm much more interested in the tennis that be how she feels afterwards. it's really stunning. it's almost like they want -- this is what it felt like to me read thing letter, that they're putting a line in the sand saying not only will we accept this from naomi osaka, but we won't accept it from anybody. >> dave, good to see you again. i'm glad you scrambled here on a holiday weekend. this thing just went down this morning. we were like, what? thanks, dave. good to see you. >> >> there's also breaking news that raises the possibility that israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's days may be numbered. more on that coming up, straight ahead. , straight ahead.

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