your memorial day weekend. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." ♪♪ welcome back, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. we are on the scene of america's latest deadly mass shooting, this time in miami-dade. we have the very latest on the conditions of the victims, how it happened, what we know about it. plus this. >> we clearly have to get to the bottom of what happened, why it happened and how do we prevent something like that from ever happening again. we're going to reevaluate what the way forward is in the next few days. >> i would have preferred that be an independent outside investigation that was nonpartisan. but i think now it will be an investigation in congress. >> democrats and republicans not

shying away on the fight over an insurrection commission. a look at the next logical step in this process, and who a majority of republicans believe is to blame for what happened on january 6. you won't believe it. investigating donald trump as prosecutors ramp up their investigation into the former president. another name always comes up, doesn't it? rudy giuliani. could the former mayor end up in prison? also this -- >> people here in tulsa did everything that was asked of them and then the result was it was destroyed with the help of the government. and i feel like we needed to be here, you know, to be with my ancestors and say we think we should be paid after 100 years. it's long overdue. >> we're going take you to tulsa, where commemorations are under way to honor the lives of black americans killed 100 years ago. the commission established to educate this country on why this dark chapter in african american history should never be forgotten. and balancing your health

private stoy the safety of others. a discussion about vaccine passports. the laws being passed to stop them. and knowing when you're safe around strangers in the middle of a pandemic. but i want to begin with that breaking news out of florida. the search is under way in miami-dade county for three shooters after a mass shooting at a concert hall. that's where we find sam brock who is on the scene and has been talking with police. good to see you this afternoon. thanks for joining us on this. what more do you know? i know you've been speaking with the miami-dade police department. >> a lot more now than we did, yasmin, even an hour ago. i sat down with the director of the miami-dade police department to find out what happened here, what they know, what they don't know. at this point in time, the three suspected gunmen in this case are unknown, their whereabouts. they're putting all resources and efforts they have in miami right now to find them buffet we do know this, yasmin. when this happened this morning between 12:00 a.m. and 1:00 a.m. when that car came in, the suv police were describing, it was here for a matter of minutes, maybe more in the parking lot before that gunfire started. and i am told from director

ramirez that the individuals who fired were targeting a specific person or persons, and that everybody else who got hit with that crossfire was collateral damage. we also learned that there was crossfire returned from folks who were at the banquet hall, which if you look over my shoulder right now is at the far end of this shopping center next to a child care. you can see some yellow police tape and a row of cars right in that area. this all unfolding in the middle of the night. gunfire exchanged. there is also a lot of yellow markers around there, somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 or 90 of them. i asked the director if that means potentially there were 100 rounds of ammunition exchanged. he said yes, absolutely that's possible. these men were using stault-style ak-47 style weapons according to director ramirez, and they are very concerned right now about the violence they're seeing. 20 people were shot and injured. two have deceased since. but there are now three people, yasmin, this is also new information who are in critical condition. which means we may be looking at five total fatalities should those three not be able to

battle through their injuries. it is a very dire situation. the director calling this the worst mass shooting he has seen in his 26 years in miami-dade. here is a snippet of our conversation. >> i think that it was probably targeting a specific person at that event, and they really didn't care about who was standing around. they were determined to do what they were going to do. and as a result, innocent people were shot and lost their lives due to the actions of these criminals. and unfortunately, even though as you see the last few months our homicide rates have been going down. but you see situations like these, these strategic attacks that we've been experiencing with people with assault rifles, these would really put law enforcement alarmed in our community as well. and that's why it takes both of us, all of us together to put a stop to this. >> yasmin, part of the reason right now that you are seeing troopers over my shoulder, they weren't standing here for most

of the day. the reason they're there now is because family members, people who identify themselves as loved ones, victims have chosen shone up and tried to gain access to the actual crime scene and have been denied as investigators continue to process it that is ongoing. and again, we do not know where the three people who started this fight have gone. and all resources are being dedicated to that right now. but what a terrifying prospect for these parents who told us today like angelica green that she heard from her son, 24 years old shot in the stomach, and he was describing to her how much it hurts to her over and over again. and she and her husband were telling her son stay with us, stay with us. he was one of those who was hospitalized and underwent surgery. there are so many families right now. more than a dozen of them that are experiencing something in that vein. we're going to continue to stay on top of this. >> wow. devastating update. sam brock, thank you. i want to turn now to capitol hill where democrats are weighing their options for

investigating the january 6 riot after republicans blocked legislation this week to create an independent commission to look into the attack. this is new polling reveals that a majority of americans believe former president trump is not at all to blame for the riot. instead blaming left wing protesters. nbc's amanda golden is on capitol hill for us. amanda, good to see you. what are the options for democrats, and what reaction are you hearing from those on the hill? >> well, yasmin, the likeliest option now is for house democrats to establish what's called a select committee, and that would allow house dems to be able to investigate january 6 on their own. they wouldn't need republicans on board in order to establish this select committee to look into the events leading up to and through january 6. and part of what this would allow house democrats to do is have subpoena power, to bring in witnesses to testify as well as be able to schedule hearings and really drive that investigation into the events that led to january 6, as well as former president trump's influence into the attack that we saw take place. the reason this is now the

likeliest option on the table is because of that procedural vote that was blocked by senate republicans at the end of the week to move forward, that bipartisan independent commission that did not reach enough republican senators to support democrats with this commission in order to break through a senate filibuster. only six republican senators joined with democrats when they needed at least ten to hit that 60-vote threshold. and now that they are moving into this potential select committee that could be just democrats, there is some very strong words coming from house speaker nancy pelosi as to the political calculations that she feels some of these republican senators took by not joining democrats in support of the independent commission. i want to read you a portion of her statement. she said, quote, mitch mcconnell asked senate republicans to do him a personal favor and vote against the january 6 commission. in doing so, mitch mcconnell asked them to be complicit in his undermining of the truth of january 6. but of course democrats want to investigate what happened on january 6 now with the potential of the select committee.

we heard some from congressman jason crow earlier today on "meet the press," both what he saw unfold with the commission being blocked and now what the potential select committee could do in moving forward. take a listen. >> we think there were a couple more people that would have voted for it had they been present. so the question is can we get those three or four additional votes or are we just delaying the inevitable. and that is are we going to have to take up a select committee. but this has to get done. i am sick of playing the game of whac-a-mole with gop members in congress. every time we address one of their concerns, another one pops up. >> senate majority leader chuck e. cheese -- chuck schumer says he has to put that back on to the senate floor. but at this point there is no indication that ten republican senators would come on board unless mitch mcconnell were to do something to incite members of his own caucus to come along

with this commission. it does go to house democrats to move forward while congressional leadership did want this to be bipartisan and independent in the commission's nature. the only option forward really does seem to be the select committee led by house democrats, yasmin. >> all right, thank you, amanda. good to talk to you. i want to bring in my panel of experts, emily postman, and former vice president of campaigns for the center for american progress. daniel litman, political reporter covering the white house in washington. david jolly, former congressman from florida and an msnbc political contributor. i'm having some allergy issues, guys. so if i start cough, someone jump in and start talking, okay? it's a really bad allergy season for me. danielle, i'm going to start with you on this one. let's talk about some of the options that amanda just laid out for us. and considering the select committee essentially that's the only option for democrats to move forward here. chuck schumer saying he is going to call for a vote once again. but we know the results are

going to be the same. what does that look like considering this will likely be seen as a more partisan investigation than what would have an independent investigation? >> so that select committee would have subpoena power. it would basically operate as an independent commission, except it would be seen as a naked partisan exercise by many americans. so it would undermine the credibility of the committee's findings. and that would make it harder for them to suggest changes for congressional security, for how the pentagon played in this insurrection. and also, democrats are pointing out that this is basically the first major disaster in the last 100 years where we did not have a bipartisan commission. after pearl harbor, jfk's assassination, after 9/11, there were all these types of commissions. and now because of the republican party's loyalty to trump, that's off the table.

>> emily, i want to read for you from a piece on the hill about the january 6 probes being labeled partisan. any congressional investigation into january 6 risks appearances that the process will be partisan and the findings will be dismissed by conservative voters as a result. yet gop leaders are labeling even the independent commission slanted despite the bipartisan agreement to create it and the equal party divide among its members. i can't help but think, emily, that this may have been a strategy from republicans. had they come out of an independent investigation, the results would have been seen as bipartisan, right, because they both would have been appointed by both republicans and democrats. but now they can look at a democratic investigation as completely and utterly partisan as a strategy on their part. >> absolutely. look, it's an attempt to fix the result by fixing the rules as you go into it. if they're not going to like the result of an independent

commission, then just change the rules or don't agree to independent rules in the first place. it's exactly what the congressman was saying. it's whac-a-mole. this was actually the topic of my podcast this upcoming week about connecting donald trump and the big lie and the republicans willing to go along with it with the legislative changes they're either blocking in congress or attempting at a state level. republicans are trying to change the rules in voting once again at the state level based on it and trying to block any changes like an independent commission, like the for the people act, the democracy reform bill that's up in the senate and at every level we're seeing it because of this loyalty to trump. look, we're sick about talking to trump, and believe me i am sick about talking about trump. but the republican party is so complicit in him right now and staying committed to him, they're not willing to have the hard conversations with their supporters because they're afraid of losing their own seat of power. and so we're seeing republicans start to go further and further

down the road of just supporting trump at every level to the point where we're really seeing chipping away at what we know of a democracy. >> david jolly, i want you to weigh in on some of this polling. i think it's astounding. poll on who to blame for the capitol riots, one in four say trump is to blame. 52%, over half say trump is not to blame at all. and that left wing protester, 73% saying this, are trying to make trump look bad. 73% say left wing protesters were trying to make trump look bad. i go on ipsis poll. over half of republicans believe trump is the true president, david jolly. >> yeah, look. republicans votes are not making these decisions in a vacuum. they're listening to republican leaders. let's be very clear. it was republicans that stormled the capitol.

it was not democrat leaning activists. donald trump is responsible for the event january 6. his political organization issued the invitation for people to come to washington on january 6, and he spoke at the rally and said go to the capitol with strength, not with weakness. i will tell you regarding the january 6 commission, though, i think the politics on the republican side are just getting warmed up. they want this to be a democratic-led special committee in the congress because i wouldn't be surprised if they refused to testify, even though the committee will have subpoena power, now that it's a house committee, if kevin mccarthy is called to testify, he will likely invoke privileges that are afforded certain members to not be subpoenaed by a committee. who knows how that turns out, but we know from the don mcgahn testimony is this could be litigated for years. this is all about the politics of 2022. republicans are gambling that the american people will care less about them filibustering an independent commission than what they could learn from an

independent commission. i expect republicans to continue to forestall this as long as they can and paint it as a democratic investigation solely for partisan measures. >> daniel lippman, talk to me about the filibuster. this was the first filibuster for the republicans. we certainly know it's not going to be the last. how does this filibuster debate loom over this larger conversation especially major spending legislation the biden administration wants to get through. the republicans have already been vocal they're not for. >> it just gives much more ammunition to the democratic senators you were saying enough is enough. we can't have these types of fake filibuster, where it's not even a real filibuster. it's just basically not a talking exercise where senators are speaking for 24 hours straight. this is more just in the senate rules as adopted. it's not in the constitution at all. and democrats are getting tired of having this block their

agenda in terms of voting rights, gun control, other issues. and so i think they're waiting to see if they can reach a infrastructure deal. if they can't, they'll pass that to reconciliation. it give morse energy to people on the left to say this is not democratic. >> emily, let me read for you from "the washington post" talking about the filibuster and saying listen, it's not essentially that easy. and even if the democrats were to get rid of the filibuster, they would still need to have a majority. and they have some outliars, joe man chan, republicans and some democrats argue it's not that easy, and advocates of getting rid of the filibuster don't acknowledge another problematic reality for the party. seven democrats don't currently have the majority needed to pass parts of the biden agenda, even if they scrap the 60-vote threshold. a real reality for the democrats. >> that always becomes the argument, and it's real. but getting rid of the

filibuster, there would be incentive to bring moderate democrats to the table and bring moderate republicans to the table, because they might actually see pieces of their agenda get into the eventual legislation. so it actually does bring them there. the way that the lack of the january 6 commission going through i actually think heavily plays into this -- and by the way, it's not just manchin and sinema who are not for getting rid of the filibuster. it's broader. it's angus king. it goes beyond. those two get a lot of heat for holding it up. the way i think it plays in, they're saying one, the filibuster brings the possibility of working with republicans and bipartisanship together. they're waiting to see as dan pointed out, they're waiting to see if that plays mount the infrastructure bill. i think the total nonpartisan commission failing kind of undercuts waiting to see if

anything happens on infrastructure. but the other argument they make is that anything that is done to us will come become to us tenfold. so they're worried if democrats scrap the filibuster, republicans will take over the senate in the next election, and then it's going to be total mayhem. that is also a little bit outdated as an argument at this point after the supreme court. like republicans won't agree to anything. they said yes to five minutes ago. anything they supported under the trump administration, they can't even get to on principle under a biden administration. and pushing through holding up their own nominees. so that's kind of outdated. i think the inability to move forward with a bipartisan commission does kind of kill any arguments that are left. and i think may end up pushing some of these moderate democrats over the line into killing the filibuster. >> dave jolly, i got to read for you from "the huffington post." this reality is astounding,

especially when you think of the midterms in the next presidential election quite frankly. and you think of the law, sitting essentially on the governor's desk in texas. it's not sitting there yet, but the governor vowing to pass it. will the coming elections be undermined by the new laws that make it harder to vote and easier for republican officials to override rules in jurisdictions run by democrats? will proponents of the stolen election myth run races and refuse to certify elections won by democrats? as it looks now, the insurrection did not end on january 6. it was just the beginning, david jolly. >> yeah, that's a very fair opinion. what republican legislatures across the country are doing is giving additional tools to republicans for future elections to try to undermine the results. we can look at these new state laws being implemented in georgia, florida, texas, and elsewhere through two lens, yasmin. one is traditional voter suppression. we know they're making it harder to vote and likely having a disparate impact on making it

harder to vote for communities of color. the other lens we can look at this is they're taking away the fair arbitration of elects from nonpartisan objective decision makers. traditionally secretaries of state or division of elections. we're seeing that in georgia, and last night in the bill that passed through the texas senate, it actually says if sufficient number of fraudulent ballots are discovered, those ballots don't have to be opened to see who they voted for. if there is enough that covers the margin between the winner and the loser, a judge can void the entire election. in other words, they don't have to look further to see if those fraudulent ballots for candidate a or candidate b. the notion that sufficient inspect of fraudulent ballots are identified are enough for a judge to void an entire election that is a different administration of an election than what states have typically done, and these interest tools that republican legislatures believe will aid them in future elections.

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welcome back, everybody. this week marked an aggressive new phase into the criminal investigation into former president donald trump. hours after state prosecutors in new york convened a special grand jury in the years' long probe into his organization, trump lashed out, slamming it as a continuation of the greatest american witch hunt on his website. multiple new reports this week say some witnesses have already been contacted or asked to prepare for testimony as the investigation escalates. joining me now to break all this down is msnbc contributor and

former u.s. attorney joyce vance. joyce, great to see you this afternoon and thanks for joining us on this. i spoke with allen weisselberg's former daughter-in-law jennifer weisselberg yesterday who was served an election notice this week according to her in retaliation for cooperating with investigators. let's take a listen to what she had to say. >> now i have to get a real estate lawyer on top of it and try to fight, even though there is a moratorium on covid, and i have spoken to the attorney general's office about it. it doesn't matter. rules don't apply to the trumps or weisselbergs. donald trump knows the owner of my building. they do real estate deals together for decades, 40, 50 decades. and so they have the influence to say we will withdraw all future real estate deals with you and your management company if you do not do what we say. >>, you have if this turns out to be true, are there any reper indications, implications for

allen weisselberg essentially retaliating against her for speaking out, or is that a really difficult thing to prove? >> retaliating against a witness is something that prosecutors take very seriously and stat statutes in new york give good tools to use in this regard. it's easy to understand why prosecutors take this seriously. if witnesses can be intimidated with this sort of conduct, then it becomes more difficult for the criminal justice system to get to the truth of the matter. so if this bears out, and if the linkage between this action and her cooperation with manhattan d.a. cy vance can be established, i would expect it to get serious attention. >> we have the special master combing through giuliani's electronic devices the same way they'd did with michael cohen. giuliani's attorneys are saying the evidence should be exempt because of attorney/client

privilege when him and the former president. what is the likelihood this type of evidence will be used in court? >> this is a pretty extraordinary interpretation of the attorney-client privilege. it's narrow. it applies only to confidential advice and communications between an attorney and a client. so if any third parties are involved, the privilege has evacuated. if, for instance, i'm your attorney, but you and i simply have some conversations that aren't related to me giving you legal advice, then that information isn't covered by the attorney-client privilege. so to prospectively claim that just a broad variety of information is covered is unlikely to be successful here. there is after all a special master who will look at this evidence on an individual basis. more than likely, one communication at a time, sometimes breaking down segments within a single communication. and ultimately, the

interpretation of what's covered by the attorney-client privilege will be far narrower than what giuliani is suggesting that it is here. >> i want to talk quickly here about the timeline of this investigation over all the trump investigation overall. we've got the grand jury seated. we also know that cy vance is retiring at the end of the year. where do you expect this investigation be right now? at what point do you expect it to wrap up? and quite frankly hour, do you hire for a job like cy vance's when he is in the midst of this major investigation into the organization of a former president? >> new york voters will have a choice to make in that regard, and it will take someone to fill cy vance's shoes. he has many years of experience. he has in some ways been controversial. people haven't always supported his decisions, but experience matters. and fortunately, new york voters have lots of good choices in this regard.

crystle balling the timeline is tough to do because my expectation is even the prosecutors themselves don't know exactly when the case will be ready. often and particularly in something complicated when you're trying to flip witnesses, you just can't tell. you have to let the investigation come to the point where you're ready to make a prosecutive decision, whether that's to prosecute or to let the matter go because you lack evidence. you know it when you get there. but really, you don't know it this far out. and, you know, the job of the investigation is to establish these basic questions, who, what, when, where, why. the investigators have lots of documents. they have the tax documents that vance fought so hard for in court. so they likely know everything except for the who at this point. they know what happened. they know when it happened. they know why. they have proof of what happened. what they need to know who was involved and who directed it. and that's likely what this end stage of the investigation is

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welcome back, everybody. if you're vaccinated, you may be able to see that big summer blockbuster at the movies without a mask. amc cinemark and real cinemas are announcing those who are fully vaccinated can sit at their theaters without wearing a mask. but ask those who are not fully vaccinated to continue to wear one. adding that social distancing measures and cleaning protocols will remain in place. so in the country's strive for a life reminiscent of the times before the coronavirus pandemic,

from ending mask mandates to loosening cloud limits, questions loom what that looks like. my next guest is here to help answer one of the burning questions at this stage of the pandemic. it okay to ask health care providers if they're vaccinated. with me now is kwame anthony appiah. he is the ethicist columnist for "the new york times" magazine. he is professor of philosophy and law at new york university. kwame, thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate it. in your piece you put two scenarios out there. one of them is for instance going to your chiropractor who says they don't necessarily believe in vaccines and won't be getting the vaccine. another is sitting in a dental chair or a dentist chair i should say and having the dentist assistant essentially say they don't want to answer your question if you ask them if you're vaccinated and your mouth at this point is wide open. you're not about to bail with your mouth wide open and you've got all those tools on the inside of your mouth. so what is a person to do? what's the right answer here as

to whether or not we can ask our health care providers if they've been vaccinated? >> if you've been vaccinated, i should be clear i don't think the risks to you are very high even in circumstances like that. nevertheless, it's for you to judge. and in deciding whether you want to take the risk associated with having someone breathing over your mouth, it's relevant for your decision to know whether they're vaccinated or not. so i think it's perfectly reasonable to ask. they may refuse to answer and you may make your inferences. but i think if someone's vaccine status is relevant to a decision you have to make, then you're entitled to ask it. >> you say clinicians who tell you that vaccination is a personal decision as if doesn't affect and concern anyone else are making an all too common mistake. can you expand on that? >> right. so both wearing a mask and getting the vaccine do two things. one is they have an impact on the probability that you will

get sick. and if you're vaccinated, you're very unlikely to get sick and even less likely to be seriously ill. but they also affect whether you can transmit the disease to others. again, both masks and vaccines affect your -- what kind of risk you pose to others. even a person who is vaccinated can in principle transmit the virus to other people. and even a person who is vaccinated could in principle get the disease. again, these things are both pretty unlikely. but it's up to people to decide those things i think for themselves. in order to do that, they need no know what know what other people are doing. the cdc says you can go safely into a space if you're vaccinated with other vaccinated people. in order to apply that device, you have to know whether people in the space are vaccinated. >> we've also got this idea of vaccine passports when it comes to travel. a lot of us want the get out and travel. it seems we have the light at the end of the tunnel, so many

folks being vaccinated. you have at least ten states with bills or orders banning passports. you have ted cruz wanting them banned on a federal level. when does health outweigh the politicization of this thing, of this pandemic i should say? and what is the ethical argument surrounding vaccine passports? >> so i grew up in ghana where my father was from, and i traveled regularly to england where my mother was from as a child. and i carried with me a yellow document produced by the w.h.o. to record the vaccinations were vel vent in the decision whether or not to admit to those countries, yellow fever, smallpox and so on. those aren't required anymore because smallpox is gone and yellow fever is quite rare these days. but those are reasonable measures to keep track of who is traveling and whether they're vaccinated or not. so i think there is no sensible reason for denying the use of

such vaccination evidence for people who want to look at it. and that might include an airplane where you're traveling on a long flight with a lot of other people. while again, the risks are very low, especially if they're vaccinated and if everybody on the plane is wearing a mask, still, it makes a difference whether everybody on the plane is vaccinated or not. i think the main argument that's been made that i have some sympathy with is a vaccination something that's easier as it were for the rich and powerful to get and therefore this puts less powerful people at a disadvantage? i think that given in this country we have made the vaccination free and we have put vaccination sites as much as we can as close to people as possible and we've asked businesses to allow people time off to get vaccinated, it's not reasonable to say that even the

most disadvantaged people in our country don't have access to the vaccination if they want it. i don't myself think that's a very compelling argument. it might be an argument for communities, poorer communities, communities of color that are poor in the cities. there might ban argument for offering them as an option this vaccine passport to make their lives easier as an incentive to get vaccinated, which would be good for them, and as i say for their communities because vaccination is good for you but it's also good for the people around you. >> all right. kwame appiah, thank you so much for your reporting on this it. getting the shot today was as easy as grabbing a burger and beer at the indy 500. details on that coming up next. e cheeseburger on ciabatta, no tomatoes.. [hard a] tonight... i'll be eating four cheese tortellini

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welcome back, everybody. president biden will travel to tulsa, oklahoma, this week, where people are paying tribute to the lives lost 100 years ago in the deadliest race massacre in american history. on may 31st, 1921, a white mob fueled by rumors stormed the neighborhood of greenwood,

burning homes and businesses and murdering an unknown number of actual sans. in 1997, the oklahoma state senate forced the first investigation into what happened. they were charged with finding out the basic questions of what happened. who and how many died? where are they buried and are reparations appropriate? 24 years later, we still don't have answers. i want to welcome hannibal johnson. he chairs the education committee for the tulsa race massacre. thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate it. i want to take people through the a, b, cs here and specifically how the massacre began. and it was part of essentially this inflammatory article that was published by the tulsa tribune, talking about an assault accusation made on an elevator operator, a woman. can you talk to us about that? >> sure. i think we first have to look at the national context in which the 1921 tulsa race massacre

happened. sociologists and historians talk about the nadir point of race relations in america, referring to the early part of the 20th century. we know that red summer occurred summer and fall of 1919. red is a metaphorical reference for blood that flowed in the streets from 24 major so-called race riots in america. this is also the time in which lynching was proliferating across the country. lynching really is a form of domestic terrorism. so it's in this national context that the event here in tulsa occurred. and tulsa was on its way to becoming the oil capital of the world during this period. so a lot of attention around the nation was focused on the city. the black community in the greenwood district, fondly called black wall street, was situated on a parcel of land that was desired by the railroads and other corporate interests. in addition, the klan had a huge presence in tulsa and in oklahoma during the 1920s.

so tulsa was kind of a tinderbox or a powder keg. then really the catalyst or the igniter was this elevator incident involving two teenagers, dick roland and sarah page. dick roland was 19. sarah page was 17. they met on an elevator. something happened that caused dick roland to bump into sarah page. she overreacted, screamed. the incident was later reported out by a newspaper called the tulsa tribune. it really fomented hostility in the white community with respect to the black community. and that really is the origin story of what is known as the 1921 tulsa race massacre. >> as i was coming to you, we talked about the commission established in 1997, this investigation. the commission was charged in finding out the names of folks that died, the numbers of people that died, and so much more. and yet we still don't have any of those answers. where are we in efforts to find

out who died, how many died, and where they are? >> some of those answers we probably never will have. one of the lingering questions with respect to the massacre has been whether there are mass graves in tulsa. there's a mass graves investigation process under way currently. we believe that somewhere between 100 and 300 people were killed, most of them black. there have been persistent stories, oral histories and eyewitness accounts of bodies being summarily buried in mass graves. so our mayor, g.t. bynum, undertook really the continuation of a mass graves investigation a couple of years ago. now, recently the remains of 12 individuals were found in oaklawn cemetery, which is near downtown. so there's still work that needs to be done. an exhumation of those remains, identification and all that. in addition, there are a couple of other sites that are possible. mass grave burial sites. those have to be investigated as

well. there are some lingering historical questions that we need to answer, and we need to just be committed and persevere until we get the answers we're seeking. >> hannibal johnson, we appreciate you joining us. i wish we had more time to talk because i do have so many questions on this, and you seem like a trove of information that we could really tap into. but we appreciate you taking the time today to join us. thank you. and thank you for your efforts and work on this. don't miss, by the way, the special "blood on black wall street" with trymaine lee. he explores what really happened in 1921. tune in tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern. that wraps up the hour for me, everyone. i'm yasmin vossoughian. thank you for watching. there's more news after a quick break. and phosphate - helping keep teeth strong, white and protected from sensitivity. new pronamel mineral boost i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein.

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