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washington on an important day in america's history as the tulsa community acknowledge the race massacre that led hundreds dead, areas in ruin and a stain on our country. president biden traveling there now. he will be the first u.s. president to mark this university from tulsa, one day after a stirring speech from arlington national cemetery including a warning that democracy is in danger from your current divisions, including racial divisions. governor greg abbott is threatening to dock the salaries of lawmakers who walked out, blocking passage for now for voting regulations cutting back
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voting for, primarily, people of color. and naomi osaka's decision to withdraw from the french open, building from her mental health from 2018. thank you all for joining us today. the book "the victory of greenwood" examines a number of items and how they came back after a horrific charge on the black community. how is this sparking more calls for reparations in oklahoma.
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>> today this has been years in the making, this centennial. it has been weeks on the ground engaging with folks about what this means, engaging with the past, unearthing hidden truths that had been buried for so long. i had a chance to talk to a number of black people who dealt with the inherited pain and crime of this. also i talked to a few white people, what it meant for them to carry a piece of this legacy, including a reverend, a co-founded newspaper that-- sparked some of this. let's listen. >> you have people in the establishment, a lot of white people, quite frankly, who think -- and a lot of the rest
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of us who believe we need to tell the truth about this and we don't know what it pertains to the quite side of the equation, and we need to do repairs of some kind to those who are the descendants and even the few who are left. >> repair and reparations, the call for reparations is growing louder because there has been a specific kind of injury dealt time and again. as the reverend mentioned, folks are still grappling with what the truth is and the context of that truth, but the call for reparations is getting loud and clear. >> and legislation that didn't emanate from tulsa, the congresswoman from texas has been working on it, and has been gaining steam even before the focus on tulsa. it's part of a larger narrative.
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let's talk about that, what we expect to hear from president biden today, will he endorse reparations, is he taking this on? how will he handle pressure from the office and other democratic progressives. >> this is a question i have been asking the president for days. will the president push for specific reparations on behalf of the three survivors of the massacre with whom he will meet in a couple hours time. they say the president has not changed his reason, that he supports studying it. and there was a study that said financial reparations was warranted for these survivors and yet not a single penny has been made. hopefully they can work on that
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as a means of making them whole. they are between 100 and 107. coinciding with the president's visit, the white house has announced a couple other measures aimed at closing the racial wealth gap, one would be for minorities to be able to gain government contracts. and a couple weeks ago there was a black couple who spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to put on the market. they got a home appraise al and believed it had been low balled. the couple believed there was a racial element in that. they got a second appraise al, had their white friends come in and pose as the homeowners and the second one came back $500,000 higher and only weeks
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had passed between the first and second appraise al. the only difference was the white stand-in homeowner. that's why hud is focused on this issue. we know that home ownership is the key to financial success, whether you are white, black or what have you. that is how the administration is focused on the equity piece of this as the president becomes the first u.s. president in history to come to tulsa on this anniversary and shine a spotlight on what was one of the most overlooked instances of racial violence in history. >> i was having a deja vu moment. as geoff was talking, one of my first reports as a young radio reporter was to send out two teams, one black, one white, to buy a house in a suburban
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neighborhood. our black team of reporters couldn't get a house on the same street that my partner and i, colleague were immediately given a series of liftings. that was 1968. tell me that nothing has changed. in san francisco of all places. we are not talking about the deep south. how is that possible in this country? >> andrea, you pointed out something that greenwood residents still struggle with today. there was a housing ordinance passed in the year 1916 by the city government. what this housing ordinance did was racially segregate the city of tulsa by law. this ordinance said 75% or more white families lived in a neighborhood, then a black family could not live there. that ordinance was not repealed until 1963.
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we are but one generation away from legal housing segregation in the city of tulsa. the city of tulsa's own economic equality report shows in 2018, 2019 and 2020, that black families are half as likely to own a home as a white family in this city. these are the things that citizens in tulsa have been dealing with for generations now having their generational wealth stolen from them in 1921 and again during the urban renewal era. and those policies and harms against the black community in tulsa still reverberate today. >> professor, let's talk about this history and how americans can be so ignorant really.
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bhiet americans, maybe some black americans, ignorant of what happened 100 years ago. >> there is a willful ignorance. we don't want to tell ourselves the truth. connect this around the 1619 project, critical race theory, governors trying to punish school districts teaching anything divisive with regard to our history. we don't want to confront anything we have done because we are comfortable with who we are. we clutch our pearls when we have moments of revelation. is this who we are? of course. those of us have lived under the brunt of it all. in two years we will have the anniversary of rows -- rosewood,
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another event of massive massacre. as brian stevenson said, first you have to tell the truth which is a precondition for reconciliation which is the basis for repair. we have to confront what we have done, andrea, honestly, so that we can finally imagine ourselves differently or we will stay on this hamster wheel for another generation. >> but some of this is that it is wiped out of history books. i grew up in a family very involved and aware of the civil rights movement in the '60s. until i met the pastor from the church in tulsa, until i happened to meet him on an airplane, i did not know about tulsa myself and was deeply engaged in the history of the civil rights movement. in the '60s when i was still in
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high school was well aware, it was in my hometown, a northern suburb, desegregation orders in my town. and did not know about tulsa. that's my fault, but i was deeply read. it's not in the history books. there has been a scrub of this. >> this is why i call it willful ignorance. when i was a young student on the coast of mississippi, in my eighth grade history class i was enamored by the civil war and i was attracted, of all people, general stonewall jackson. why? because of the way it was taught to me. there are redactions in our history in order to uphold the
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myth of who we tell ourselves to be. that america must be the shining city on the hill. in order to keep that, we have to turn a blind eye to the ugliness we are. it is not to beat ourselves on the back. it's just to confront the truth of our history. >> carlos, you have written the history book -- >> i am not originally from tulsa. i am originally from the san francisco bay area. i moved to tulsa in 1998, not knowing myself anything about the history of tulsa or much about the history of oklahoma. i knew about the land run but that was it, and i learned about that from the movies. i really was just eager and curious and hungry for all information i could get. as it turned out, in the late
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'90s and early 2000 i was doing a lot of freelance work for a black newspaper in tulsa and the tulsa starp which had existed since 1913 here in tulsa. i really learned quite a bit from the elders who were around at the time and the publishing family, the goodwin family who owned "the oklahoma eagle" and learned from state representative don ross and max -- maxine horner. this is a reflection of the greenwood taught to me by the elders 20 years ago when i was working for the newspaper. it really is much more than a history of just these two days
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in greenwood. greenwood has a very, very rich history before the 1921 massacre, but even after. the community rebuilt in in 1927 and redefined. there were many other national and even worldwide influences that the people of greenwood really deserved their stories to be told, their influences on this city and country, to come out into the light, and for those stories to be just as prominent as any others in our city's history and country's history. >> thank you so much, carlos. jermaine lee, your documentary is online. geoff, you are on the ground.
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what will we see on your show at 2:00? >> we will have reverend turner who oversees the church. we will be here live as president bide enl shows up and walks into the heritage center to talk to those three known living survivors of the massacre. >> say "hi" to the reverend for me. it's such an important conversation. thanks. and naomi osaka, four time grand champion, pulled out of the french open with mental health issues. tal health issues.
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texas republicans are vowing to push ahead with some of the toughest voter restrictions in the country after democrats derailed a bill by staging a surprise walkout. texas governor abbott is threatening no pay for legislators if they continue on a bill that is expected to pass eventually. there are new restrictions on in person voting in the proposed bills. any indication when they can expect final approval. the governor said he would sign it, but it still has to pass. >> you are right. all eyes go to when the special session will be called by texas
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governor abbott. he said this is a must-pass item. no word on when that session will be starting, but as far as what provisions are in senate bill 7, they are significant no matter what side you are on. republicans say they need that to keep voting intact and democrats saying it discourages black and brown voting. end drive through and 24-hour voting. we saw a rise in that, particularly in harris county. and no sunday voting before 1:00 p.m. they think it could be tougher forget out the vote effort at churches through the area.
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houston and dallas are more democratic centers voters are known to frequent. and this adds requirements for absentee voting requiring a driver's license number. and it makes it easier for judges to overturn election results. this is a key sticking point. it shows that if you find fraudulent votes that could impact an election, it allows officials to recall a brand new election instead of proving those ballots were indeed fraudulent. >> a sweeping bill. thanks so much, morgan setting the stage. joining us now is the democratic caucus chair who organized that surprise walkout. first of all, how did you pull that off? people were leaving one by one or two by two in this late night
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session? how did you pull off such a big surprise? >> andrea, thanks for having me. this was a collective decision by the majority of democratic caucus. i give credit to them and we have been unified all session long in fighting these bills republicans continue to push. several members had already left and walked out. we were trying to extend debate on the floor to push the vote closer to the midnight deadline. that was the hard deadline to pass any bills in this legislative session. about 10:30 it was clear that republicans would attempt a procedure maneuver to force a vote and cut off debate. and it was at that point the rest of us left the house chamber. >> tell me, how are you going to deal with the fact that the
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governor is threatening to dock your pay and call a special session. the lieutenant governor wants it sooner, coming up, not just in the fall. what will you do now? >> a couple things. i saw the governor's tweet yesterday and it will be interesting to see what he's talking about. legislators in texas receive $600 ap month. we receive a per diem during the session. but the idea that the executive branch with defund an equal branch of government is absurd. i think it is a silly thing he said. we expect him to call a special session at some point. we will have to have one as far as redistricting and expenditure
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of funds thanks to president biden. we will have to appropriate those funds in a special session. if we are going to have it, we should have a session to expand health care and medicaid, to cover more people in texas. let's have a special session to address the gun violence epidemic. but if the governor decides to put voter suppression on the agenda -- only he gets to decide what is on that -- if he does that, we will fight him every step of the way. >> what are you expecting or hoping from from president biden and democratic leaders in congress? >> i thank president biden and vice president harris for their outspoken opposition to the vote
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suppression bills in texas and elsewhere across the country. what democrats in the texas house and senate are asking for is for congressional leadership and u.s. senate leadership to take out the john lewis voting rights act, h.r. 1, pivotal pieces of legislation to protect voters in this country and elsewhere. we need strong robust to guard against discriminatory redistricting maps. it is vitally important that that be addressed this year and get multiple bills to president biden's desk. >> he said yesterday that our democracy is at state weaving together all of these things. is it important, if necessary,
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to change the filibuster rules? >> i can only speak to what happens here in texas. when the texas senate pass something, they adjust the rules however they need to to get it done. on an issue as fundamental as voting rights where the right to vote is at stake in this country, i don't think that a tradition of a filibuster which has its roots in a segregated era of this country should stand in the way. i hope the bill will pass, whatever it takes. i defer on the proceed yawl specifics, but we need a bill to pass. that's the bottom line. >> that is indeed the bottom line. good to hear perspective from the front line of voting rights struggle in this country. breaking news from the
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full time on campus work after the july 4 weekend. 500 staff work in the greater white house complex. that is good news and will make governmental work more smooth i suspect. a major development from the supreme court. declining to hear an appeal from johnson & johnson on a verdict for women who say they developed ovarian cancer from using johnson and johnson talc. >> this $2 billion which turned out to be 20 women of the 22 who originally sued. they will stand. they said using two johnson and johnson products including talcum powder caused it. they won in the trial but
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johnson & johnson didn't get a fair trial because these women had different varieties. some had a genetic predisposition of getting the cancer, came from different states. putting them together in a single trial violated its right to a fair trial. and the punitive gajs were way over $2 million was way over the actual damages. that's what they asked the supreme court to take. the supreme court would not take that. whether the product caused cancer was not before the supreme court. the issue arises because talc is mined from the ground and so is asbestos. sometimes these occur close to each other. it is a known production issue
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to keep asbestos out of talcum powder. asbestos is a known cancer causer. >> a complex case but a big impact on the people who were victimized there, the alleged victims as well as a lot of other consumers. thanks very much. thanks, pete williams. and joining me now gardner harris who covered johnson & johnson for about a decade in both "the new york times" and "the wall street journal" and is writing a book on the company. let's talk about the origins of this. i am not asking you a legal question, but are we talking about negligence here from johnson & johnson or resistance to being more consumer friendly once they knew of the problem? >> so the history here, andrea, is the history of the company johnson & johnson itself.
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baby powder is really one of the original products that founded johnson & johnson. they began selling it back in 1894. it became clear into the 1950s, the documents that have come out of the litigation, that the company started to realize in the '50s and '60s, that they had a real problem, that there was asbestos in their baby powder. test after test from the company shows they knew there was asbestos in there. they became so worried they hired a dermatologist with the university of pennsylvania to inject asbestos into 11 black prisoners at a prison there to see what would happen to the asbestos in these prisoners. in one of these infamous trials that hasn't gotten nearly as much attention as it should, the
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company, as 1968 unfolded, it was a real moment in the company's his terror where its founder died, it became clear the asbestos was a true danger. the company had to make a choice at that point. does it this iconic product that general johnson thought was the most important for johnson & johnson or does it live by this credo the general had written about, being ethical. they made the decision to keep the baby powder as talc. they owned a lot of talc mines. they had enormous investments in talc. inside the company they said let's make this cornstarch. generic baby powder is made for
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the reason that talc can be dangerous. the company decided to stick with talc. and now it's facing one of the largest onslaughts of lawsuits in history. >> back when this started, they said we are confident in our talc and does not cause cancer. the supreme court has ruled these people can sue and the judgment should stand. >> the case that just got appealed to the supreme court comes from the summer of 2018. if you go through the transcripts -- i have part of them here -- this is one of a dozen or two dozen cases i have been going through over the last
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two years since you and i spent time at the state department together as the white house correspondent and diplomatic correspondent for "the new york times." in that case their main defense was the fda looked at this for decades and didn't find any asbestos in their talc so the jury should be confidence there is no asbestos. a year later fda came out after testing it and said actually it did find asbestos in the baby powder. that destroyed the biggest defense the company had in these cases. so the problem johnson & johnson faces going forward, even in this case, it faces now up to $2 billion, it faces that fine. it will get harder in the future
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because its main defense that fda has never found asbestos in talc is gone. the fda did find asbestos in talc and that is why some six months after that johnson & johnson finally removed talc from its baby powder. >> it's a product used so intimately for more than 100 years. this is incredible. >> almost a third of all babies born in the 20th century in the united states had their by bottoms powdered with johnson & johnson baby powder. they knew for decades there was a problem there. >> gardner harris, incredible reporting. thank you so much. and tennis grand slam champ naomi osaka has withdrawn from the french open.
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larger context about why those news conferences are required by all slam players, win or lose. >> that's right. as mentioned in her statement, she talked about struggling with anxiety and depression. she often is seen wearing headphones because it helps dull her social anxiety and she said those pressers aren't good for her mental health and it makes her nervous. officials threatened to expel her, suspend her, slapped her with a $15,000 fine. for more let's listen to mary. >> she didn'ted want to do press. and, frankly, she is a media darling as you all know. the press loves naomi osaka. this is the highest paid player
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in history. when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. >> naomi says this is who she is and in order for the focus to rightly stay on the court in tennis, she needs to step back and take care of herself right now. >> do we know if she will return for wimbledon? do we know anything more about her future? >> we don't. but wimbledon is just in a few weeks, right here in the uk. you have the olympics in a couple of months. she was one of the highest japanese star athletes in the country. at the end of this tournament she said she would talk about how to make it better for the press and players. so i think we will hear more from her. >> that's important for athletes as well as everyone else, to pay attention and stay strong.
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are pushing the biden administration for answers and for proper care that they believe that they need, that they've been targeted with something called directed energy from an unknown source. it is called havana syndrome. i have been covering the it last couple of years, after first affecting u.s. officers at the cuban embassy in 2016. it's now affecting employees in china, russia, western europe and even reportedly here in the u.s., with a suspected incident occurring near the white house. u.s. intelligence sources said they consider russia the chief suspect, with moscow denies. joining us, a cia agent for 25 years that retired june 2018 after suffering chronic headaches. his new book is "clarity in crisis: leadership lessons from the cia."
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i first met you back in december 2020. we talked. we did a story about it because you told me while in a moscow hotel working for the cia in 2017, suddenly, you couldn't stand up, you were falling over, nauseous. you had ringing in your ears. tell me, how are you feeling now? >> andrea, first and foremost, thank you for covering the story. it's critical the press follows this because it forced the u.s. government to take notice and action. in terms of feeling well, i still have the same headache, and it's been three years. a physical toll and takes a mental toll as well. but i was fortunate to get treatment at the walter reed center for excellence and they gave me two things, tools and hope. it's a journey. i'm getting better, but i have a long way to go. >> you had to plead with the cia to send you to walter reed. you were out on disability. but that care was really critical. >> so the place is remarkable.
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i get emotional talking about it. i don't know if i would be here today because i don't know if i would be here without their care. it's a one-month program. i was there for other members of the u.s. government, particularly agents who had the symptoms as well. but at the place where they believed me and i first got a diagnosis of tbi, traumatic brain injury. and after an exposure event. after battling the u.s. government for some time when they didn't believe me, i finally went to a place where the doctors look you right in the eye and say, we understand what happened and we will help you feel better. >> last week a large number of diplomats sent a letter to the state department saying this havana syndrome, that sufferers are still being denied proper care. why do you think russia is involved? >> well, first and foremost, vladimir putin gets up every morning with one thing on his mind, and that's how to do
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damage to the united states. he considers us the main enemy. you know, even though the u.s. government is certainly pivoting towards china, in terms of looking at our existential threat. russia is still there first and foremost. no doubt in my mind vladimir putin and russians are capable of this. going back to the state department, i really sympathize with my state colleagues on this. i went through the same things they're going through now. i wrote a book on leadership. ultimately leaders are responsible for their people. that's the first thing you do when you wake up in the morning. i really want to see just how they are taking it seriously, i would like to see my state colleagues receive that same type of care. >> there's also talk that something happened to someone from the national security council near the white house. other incidents in the u.s., in the continental united states, on american territory. do you really think that a russian weapon could have been deployed that close to home?
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>> look, i think what has come out over the last several weeks and months is there's private sector companies who are experimenting with directed energy weapons. one i know well, it's being considered and produced by the u.s. military in anti-drone technology. the russians had this for decades. it's not the question of being implausible or technology not being there, it's just willingness of an adversary to use it. i think that's something we should take very seriously. there was a lot of press, a lot of concern about the two national security council staffers being hit. i would just say the modus operandi, symptoms, everything i know about those attacks, we should take this seriously. they're hurting. they deserve medical care and certainly deserve our government pursuing the ends of the earth who did this. >> we have 30 seconds left. what should president biden say to vladimir putin when they meet
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just on the 16th of june in geneva? >> you know, i have concerns about this summit. some of my former colleagues from the agency who work on russia, the same, it's a bit of a reward for putin. but if we're going to meet, biden has to be tough. russians understand only one thing and that's brute strength. i believe biden should address this issue and because ultimately, people are doing harm to our diplomats and intelligence officers overseas. in my view, it's an act of war, and it has to be stopped. >> marc, thank you so much. please take care. thank you for being with us today. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." i will be on assignment the next few days. ment i will be coming in, checking in with all of you so keep an eye out on facebook and twitter @mitchellreports for where i may pop up. up next, "meet the press daily" only on msnbc.
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