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i've been taking prevagen on a regular basis for at least eight years. for me, the greatest benefit over the years has been that prevagen seems to help me recall things and also think more clearly. and i enthusiastically recommend prevagen. it has helped me an awful lot. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. if it's tuesday, president biden making history, touching down to honor the victims of the tulsa massacre, a white mob killing hundreds of black americans. plus, he's warning democracy itself is in peril. with new battle lines drawn in texas after state democrats blocked i republican bill that
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would have put in place sweeping new voting restrictions. and the latest on another cyberattack breaking overnight. this one targeting the world's largest meat supplier. what it means for our cybersecurity, not to mention meat prices at the grocery store straight ahead. welcome to tuesday. it's "meet the press daily." i'll hallie jackson in for chuck todd. as we speak, president biden is on his way to tulsa, alabama, for the 100th anniversary of the massacre in tulsa. he's the first president to cast such a bright spotlight on this often-ignored memories in history. there are only a few living survivors from that attack 100 years ago and president biden will meet with them in a few
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hours before delivering remarks. that speech coming at a moment of renewed focus on social justice in america, and happening 24 hours after his memorial day address, where he brought up voting rights multiple times with the white house keeping the attention on racial equity. >> democracy must be defended at all costs, for democracy makes all of this possible. democracy. that's the soul of america. and i believe it's a soul worth fighting for. and so do you, a soul worth dyeing for. folks, you all know it, democracy thrives when the infrastructure of democracy is strong. when people have the right to vote, freely and fairly and conveniently. >> the epicenter of the current fight over voting rights right now -- texas, of course. where republicans are promising to fight even harder to try to pass new voting restrictions
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with the governor threatening to defund the state legislature after democrats blocked a bill with a dramatic last-minute walkout. some texas democrats now all but begging the democrats and republicans in congress for their in their fight. but we will begin now with the latest from the white house, and joining us now, shannon pettypiece. shannon, when you look at the way the president is speaking about this issue, voting rights, access to it, what it means for members of community of color, is is he sounding an alarm here? >> well, you have a very pointed remark, a memorial day speech that is oftentimes more ceremonial than a president really delving into current issues that the country is grappling with. president biden has really not held his words at all when talking about how strongly he feels about some of the these voting restriction laws that are being considered in state legislature around the country. he called the texas law we're
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discussing now an assault on democracy. so not pulling any punches there, but when it comes to what the white house can do on this, there is not much. this is an issue for congress. you noted that state legislatures are calling on some action at the federal level, some help. that's not likely coming because there are not the 60 votes in congress to get any sort of voting rights like the john lewis voting rights bill through the senate. i know this is one of those areas where people say, well, let's get rid of the filibuster. it's unclear if there's even the 50 votes among just democrats to get rid of the filibuster. on a national level, this is really stuck and we're probably going to continue to hear the president hammer away and use very strong language on this. but at least in the near term, this is not something on the legislative agenda when we're talking about bills that could come and pass over the summer months. >> yet, shannon, you have the
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president saying things like he did over the last 72 hours or so, calling on congress, for example, to pass the john lewis voting right act, and others. in what world is that going to happen? in what world are republicans going to get on board with something like that, when at this point we've seen things that happened in theory like the january 6th commission and so on? >> i was going to say, the january 6th commission is a great example how democrats and republicans might be able to come together on some things. maybe on infrastructure, kind of. like when we're talking about roads and bridges package. maybe they can agree on that. they did come together on an asian hate crimes bill a bit earlier. there's process possibly on police reform. but i will use police reform as an example, that's something that's been in talk for years. you have a prominent republican, senator tim scott, who has taken that up as his pet project -- i'm sorry, i said years, i meant months. and working behind the scenes
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for months trying to get something through on that. when it comes to big voting rights legislation, there's just not that type of momentum and there's not anyone on the republican side championing it to round up the support. >> shannon, thank you very much. as we talk about what's happening around the country with voting rights, the epicenter is texas. although there are dozens of states that have taken up similar bills. morgan chesky's on the ground for us in dallas. morgan, talk us through this here. for people who may not have been following every in and out of what happened over the weekend, perhaps they were enjoying a memorial day barbecue. where are we now? where does this fight go, particularly with the new threat from governor greg abbott to pull the plug on money that goes to lawmakers if they don't get on board? >> hallie, great question. we will no doubt see the debate over senate bill 7 rise again. the question is when?
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governor abbott has not announced when that special session will be going back. calling on austin to bring it back to the table. democrats not wanting to talk about it in its current form. but we will talk about that in a second. frankly what happened over the weekend was historic. it was a late night and democrats by the way of text message decided to leave the chamber a few minutes before the deadline. and that basically kept them from reaching quorum to make a vote able to happen. in doing so, it essentially killed the bill for that legislative session. there are only four times in texas legislative history that that sort of walkout has been used in that form. very historic in that regard. meantime democrats know they will be facing the house senate bill yet again. let's talk about some of what's in there they have serious problems with. number one, banning the unsolicited mail ballot applications that were used in
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large numbers during the pandemic. they are prevalent through harris county. we saw record turnouts there. and this also adds i.d. requirements for absentee voting, driver's license number, social security number on your request for the absentee ballot and envelope when you mail it in. it also overhauls the thresholds for close elections. and this means if there are fraudulent ballots found, if they feel this could have had an impact on the election, that's enough with this current law were it to go into effect for the officials to call a brand-new election. where as the status quo is they have to prove those ballots were fraudulent and it did indeed overturn the election. it lowers the standard for that. that's why democrats say they have to get creative with whatever they can do when this is called back into special session. in the meantime you have texas
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governor abbott is saying he will not pay them by walking away from their duties as lawmakers. each texas lawmakers makes $6,200 a year, more of a type anticipated. stipend. but if that went through with this upcoming budget, we can see other agencies under that umbrella also not be funded. hallie? >> morgan chesky live in dallas, thank you. let's pick up on that thread he left us with. david fisher represents the san antonio area and helped organize the walkout. good afternoon and thank you for being on "meet the press daily," representative. >> thank you, hallie. >> let me start where morgan, my colleague in dallas, left off. with this threat or vow from governor abbott, do you see it as a threat and what is your reaction to what he's doing here? >> well, listen, we don't serve for the compensation. as you mentioned, it's a small stipend. but you're going to hurt frontline workers, people who serve food and main entertain
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parking garages, lawn care. not to mention professional men and women who operate and make that capital work like lawyers and representatives of counsel. and you can see the lieutenant governor, who also happens to be the speaker of the house, i would think before you maic that threat. >> and i have one of your quotes from "the washington post," in which you said breaking quorum, you described it, this thing to happen that led to the walkout, is about the equivalent of crawling on our knees begging the question and u.s. congress members to give us the for the people act and give us the john lewis voting rights act. is federal intervention here the only tool left in the toolbox? as you see it, is that the only way to stop this bill from becoming effective? >> it may not be the only tool but it is the sharpest tool. i will tell you the assault on
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democracy is right in front of our eyes. they steamrolled voters in georgia and marched down to do the same thing. and once they silence voices in texas, they will march across the country rewriting the rules for elections. make no mistakes, aside from the limitations on voting, when people do not follow these new rules and jump over he's high hurdles, they go to jail. democracy, if it's the soul of america, we're holding the line and need intervention of brothers and sisters to give us the for the people act and give us the john lewis moating rights act. >> that intervention would come through congress. would you certainly have to see them get rid of the filibuster. but even as you know well, some senators are trying to do that. and you have to say john manchin, who has power right
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now, said he will not destroy our government. that was his quote when asked about the filibuster. do you think he gets what you're facing in texas now? what would your message be to him? >> down in texas we say when times get tough, it's time to cowboy up. with all due respect, we ask senator manchin to cowboy up and at least respect you may not want to destroy the country but they are going to destroy the country state by state with harsh voter suppression tactics. this is very tough. sometimes we have to see the greater good. i served for 20 years in the texas legislature. i know what it means to be in a tough situation but for senator manchin, sinema and others who may be reticent about this, the future of the country is at stake and all eyes are on texas, and eyes of the nation on texas and it's, in my view, a now-or-never moment. >> and president biden, do you think he's doing enough? do you want to see more from him
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and the white house >> >> on a saturday afternoon the president took time out of his day to talk about texas and senate bill 7 as being un-american. quite frankly, he fired us up. he led fire in the belly of the men and women i served with in the texas house and we huddled in a room behind closed doors, african-american senior democrats, hispanic senior democrats to pi members and we hugged it out and got emotional. we decided if that's what it took to bring the attention to the country, we will work member by member and aisle by aisle to make sure we had enough votes willing to walk out, and we did. >> would you have done it if the president had not tweeted or put out that statement that he did? >> you know, this is the tool that's always been in our arsenal and i think this has always been part of the discussion as early as april. quite frankly, when we needed a shot in the arm, the president did give it to us. so that is the attention and it told us the national importance of what was happening in front of us and we rose to the occasion. >> the eyes of a country are
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certainly on your state today and will be for the days to come. texas state representative fisher, thank you very much for being on with us. we appreciate it. up next on the show -- a deep dive into this historic day as president biden becomes the first sitting president to travel with tulsa to mark the anniversary of the massacre of 1921. and as covid cases keep dropping, america keeps getting closer to normal. we're heading to vegas, where the iconic strip is back open for business. ♪♪ ♪ and they're always glad you came ♪ ♪ you wanna be where you can see(ah-ah) ♪ ♪ our troubles are all the same (ah-ah) ♪ ♪ you wanna be where everybody knows your name ♪ ♪ you wanna go where people know ♪ welcome back, america. it sure is good to see you.
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when you're born and raised in san francisco, you grow up wanting to make a difference. that's why, at recology, we're proud to be 100% employee owned with local workers as diverse as san francisco. we built the city's recycling system from the ground up, helping to make san francisco the greenest big city in america but we couldn't do it without you. thank you, san francisco. gracias, san francisco. -thank you. -[ speaks native language ] let's keep making a differene together. welcome back. this week marks the 100-year anniversary of the tulsa race massacre. and today president biden is making history, becoming the first president to travel to oklahoma to commemorate this terrible piece of american history. in 1921, angry mobs of white people attacked and destroyed the thriving black community in
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tulsa, known as black wall street. they killed hundreds of black people who lived there, displayed thousands more. before the massacre, you had businesses, theater, doctors' offices, schools, all flourishing in this greenwood neighborhood, making it a symbol of black prosperity, black achievement. afterwards, greenwood was demolished, businesses and homes burned to the ground. every bit of hard-earned black wealth left in rubble. a century later, tulsa is still grappling with the massacre. even today a mass grave is still being excavated in this ongoing effort to try to identify the victims. president biden is set to meet with some of the few remaining survivors of the massacre this afternoon. nbc's trymaine lee is there in tulsa. trymaine, we commend you. very important work to bring this story to the survivors of the community and the rest of us. and i'm also joined by carlos hill, who is a member of the
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tulsa race centennial commission. and former congresswoman donna edwards, now an msnbc contributor. trymaine, bring us on the ground with you there, what you are hearing and seeing in the community. this is history from 100 years ago but still has left a lot with experiences from today. >> yes, that's the history, we see a snapshot, grainy black-and-white snapshot but not in tulsa. the ripples of what happened in 1921 are still visible today. before you reconcile anything, you have to recognize the fact of the truth. for so very long the story of what happened in tulsa had been intentionally buried and the powers that be from the officials were complicit. they weren't teaching it in schools. disappeared from libraries.
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evidence disappeared from the police department. and today we see a divide where black folks carrying a piece of the trauma have been quiet about it for a long time. white folks, same thing, carrying a piece. and i talked to a reverend here who served here and found a newspaper publisher who helped spark the violence. and the white folks carrying a piece of the burden in terms of moving forward. let's take a listen. >> seems like a lot of people right now are trying to rush towards this idea of reconciliation but truly in order to get there, we have to tell the truth and we have to do some repair. so we have this sort of split in the community right now where you have a lot of people, certainly people in the establishment and a lot of white people, quite frankly, would think we're in a period of reconciliation finally after 100 years. then there's a lot of the rest 6 us who believe we need to still tell the truth about what happened and we don't know that truth, particularly as it
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pertains to the white side of the equation, perpetrators' side. then we need to do some repairs, repatriation of some kind to some of the descendants and few survivors who are left. >> without a few grappling of the truth of what happened and recognizing the ongoing pain that those moments caused, a continued ripple of pain and trauma and economic disposition, there won't be much in the way of reconciliation without the truth in order to repair it. >> trymaine lee, thank you so much. we expect president biden to land in oklahoma some time in the next 30 to 48 minutes here. professor hill, i want to bring you in here. and congresswoman edwards, let me start with you. president biden timed obviously this day and trip has unveiled a slew of plans to combat racial wealth inequity, basically.
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there's a couple things in here. we want to put them on the screen, federal government to try to grow contracting with small, disadvantaged businesses. various fair housing rules and housing initiatives. two things are missing here, right? number one, anything related to student loan debt. naacp is out speaking about that. and the other thing is anything involving reparation. i wonder, congresswoman, what you make of that. >> i think the biden administration and the president have done a better job of most, frankly, of connecting things like the events in greenwood and tulsa to the current economic circumstance and lack of equity in the black community. but i think there are still some politicians and the president is not excluded from that, that are unwilling to have a tougher conversation about really what that repair means.
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for so many of the black community from tulsa and rosewood and throughout the south, there are many examples where black communities have been rip add part. they've been destroyed, as black wealth has and that's translated into a generational impact. and i think in order to come to grips with what's happened over generations to black americans, we're going to have to deal with this question. we have to look really closely at our history and connect that with where we are in terms of our economic status in this country and a conversation around reparations and canceling student loan debt is very much part of how we need to think about how we go forward. >> you talk about the generational impact, and professor hill and the live
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reporting from tulsa yes, it is history but very much present day. when you look at the history of wealth inequities and specific insults, i know you're writing about this. you talk about there's always been racial wealth gap in the city but it's migrating in tulsa, a microcosm of what's happening around the country. can you tell us more about that? >> absolutely. i just want to start by saying president biden's visit to the greenwood district is historic for a number of reasons. he's certainly the first president to come to tulsa to bear witness to this history and then at the same time to offer support. it's absolutely historic and to just echo what has been said, the investment program, the historic program that the president will announce today needs to include student loan cancellations as well as reparations. would i say the photograph behind me is a photograph of greenwood 20 years after the massacre. so the community rebuilt itself.
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not only did it rebuild itself, it thrived for decades after the massacre. so the community did that without any support from the city, state or local government. so they were never able to recoup the millions of dollars that went up in flames during a massacre, so some black businesses and homes were able to be rebuilt but not all of them. so the intergenerational wealth that was lost in that moment, some estimate as much as $600 million was lost and never recouped. so the question is, and this photograph helps me to center this question, what would greenwood be today had the city did what it should have 100 years ago, provide restitution to victim survivors and
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descendants? so president biden is here today because those calls for justice went unheard. and the hope is president biden and his visit will join the national and international chorus calling for the state of oklahoma and city of tulsa to do what it should have done 100 years ago and that is provide restitution for survivors in this historic community. nothing less is acceptable. >> and it is concrete. we have met people, we have met them on our air and the president will meet these living survivors, living, breathing human beings who have been through this. i wonder do you think, professor hill, this will make a difference? much has said, and i think you said it well at the beginning of the discussion, it is historic president biden is using his presidential spotlight to shine it on tulsa, when has not always been the case through history. that may just be the beginning.
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how do you extend that longer term to get there based on your view? >> you know, the reason why this visit is so important is not just because he's lending the presidential spotlight to greenwood and to survivors but it marks a real moment, because it can never be said again the world doesn't know about tulsa. the world doesn't know what occurred 100 years ago. it can never be said again. now that we know, now that the world knows, we have a responsibility to act. we have a responsibility to demand justice which is clear, right? it's clear this community was harmed for no part of their sewn. reparation is for victims, and survivors and descendants that are owed, and i'm hoping the intention of president biden's visit and offer will increase the pressure on the state of oklahoma and city of tulsa. at this moment the mayor of
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tulsa more governor the oklahoma has said anything substantive about reparations or even marking the commemoration. so president biden has been afforded this opportunity because of still what the city and state of oklahoma has not done. we just have to, now that we know, it's our responsibility to use our voices to support these victims and survivors and their descendants. >> congresswoman, i only have 30 seconds left but i have to ask you, how important for all americans, not just white americans, to see this not only as a piece of black history but piece of shared history, white history too? >> this is american history. i think it's really important for all of us to see it and to come to know this story and understand how it is interwoven with the story of black americans and white americans in the history of this country and
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the president's leadership in casting a wide lens on this is so important to us today. >> professor, congresswoman edward, thank you very much. we appreciate your time. we have to tell you msnbc will bring you the president's comments from tulsa live when they happen later this afternoon. up next on the show -- new details just in on how probably carried out that cyberattack targeting the world's biggest meat supplier? we have new developments right after the break. with liberty mu, so you only pay for what you need. oh um, doug can we talk about something other than work, it's the weekend. yeah, yeah. [ squawk ] hot dog or... chicken? [ squawk ] only pay for what you need.
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welcome back. in the last couple of minutes we've been on the air, the white house is making its first comments about the cyberattack that happened overnight. they're telling reporters jbs, the company, notified the administration the ransom demand came from a criminal organization probably based in russia. this came a couple of weeks before president biden and russian president vladimir putin are set for a summit in switzerland and less than a month after a different cyberattack also from a suspected russian gang that shut down the country's biggest fuel pipeline. remember that? as for jbs foods, you see some of their facilities here, 84 locations in 14 states and serve customers in more than 100 countries. we will bring in nbc's jacob
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ward with the latest. jacob, the white house is making its first comments on this. not all together unsurprising for those who follow cybersecurity issues but it is notable we have a second cybersecurity attack in less than a month against a huge company. where does this go next, and what are the potential impacts? >> the impacts really could be very far reaching, hallie. the white house releasing the statement not 30 minutes ago to reporters on air force one describing the involvement of the fbi, cisa, offering technical assistance to jbs, and ongoing concern that ransomware poses of threat across the whole economy. it's important to understand just how huge jbs is. that company serves more than 100 countries, does about $50 billion in revenue, and about 50% of that revenue comes from the united states, which makes the impact here so enormous. at this hour, hallie, we are seeing all across the united states messages on social media
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to workers at jbs plants in places like texas, minnesota, iowa, wisconsin, all of them saying stay home, your shift is canceled. what we are seeing here is an ongoing ripple effect. it's not clear yet what the ransomware has actually touched on, what systems have shut down but the beef industry is a highly digitized industry, as all industries are in the united states, which makes this ransomware threat such a big deal, hallie. >> jake ward, live for us there in northern california. we will stay on this story, appreciate it. turning to the ongoing legal cases to rioters who attacked the u.s. capitol in washington january 6th. we've got new developments today in a couple of cases. one against members of the far right extremist group oath keepers and on another case federal prosecutors now say they're dropping. let me bring in nbc's justice correspondent pete williams. take us through both and explain each, please. >> let's start with the latest
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development here, which we think the first time in more than 460, 480 cases the government has brought the government now says in essence, we've got the wrong guy. this is someone named christopher kelly from new york city. he was arrested shortly after the riot. his brother is a policeman there. he did talk a lot about social media about coming down here and saying trump -- the election was stolen, that kind of thing. then a confidential informant posting pictures on facebook saying he was in the building but he insisted all along he was never in the building. there's a picture in the complaint against him of him outside the building but not one inside the building. in any event, the government says this in a court filing today, quote, upon reflections currently only known to the government, the government believes dismissal without prejudice serves the interests
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of justice, and we would like to drop the case. we are waiting to see if a federal judge agrees. i can't imagine they would not drop the case. this is an unusual move because this is the first of these cases we know of that collapsed. in the oath keepers' case over the weekend, they added three new named defendants, fourth person indicted to the massive oath keepers' conspiracy case, which now includes 16 people. with the government's contention here is that the far right group discussed coming to washington well in advanced and talked about engaging in violence. the government has nerve alleged directly the oath keepers' planned to attack the capitol and planned to go inside of capitol. but they said the oath keepers did come here. this is a picture of them in what the government called a stack formation, military-style formation where they stayed close together, one hand on the shoulder in front of them, allowing them to be among the first people to enter into the capitol when the siege began. so at least three were people were added, bringing this case
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to 16. it's the largest of the conspiracy cases. there's a smaller conspiracy case against members of another group called the proud boys. so these are the cases that are farthest ahead and one of the things i would note is today during a hearing in the oath keepers' case, the government said the lawyers for the government were beginning to discuss possible plea negotiations with some of the oath keepers, and, you know, with all of these cases, hallie, nearly 500 cases, the government will have to start discussing settlements in a lot of these cases because there's no way the courts or u.s. attorney's office, they all can take 500 cases at trial. that's just not going to happen. so i think they're going to want to settle a lot of these cases or get pleas in a lot of these cases to focus on the more important ones. >> pete, real quick on the plea discussions that you just referenced, that are happening i guess this week, what is the
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timeline on something like that? how much longer would it be until we know one way or another? are we talking days, weeks, months? what's the time frame here? >> i think it depends on how good the government's officer, how attractive it is to the defense and whether the defendants have something to offer the government. remember, there has been one plea already, one plea deal already with a man accused of being a leader of the proud boys in florida -- or indiana, rather. so both sides have something to gain here if the defense thinks they could get a lesser sentence, if the government thinks they will get information worthwhile, they're interested. but these cases certainly weeks, possibly months. >> pete williams live in our washington bureau. thank you for keeping us up to speed. before you go to break, you probably know what we say around here. if it's tuesday, somebody is voting somewhere. and today that somewhere is new mexico. representative melanie stansbury and mark moors are facing off to
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fill the albuquerque seat evacuated by the secretary. democrats are favored to win and add a seat to the narrow majority in the house. but here's what we're watching closely in this race, the margin. turnout in this election could give us an indication of each party's strength and which play the political winds may be blowing against next year's midterm election. we will bring you the results from new mexico on msnbc and nbcnews.com as they come in. we promise you that. coming up also on the show, massive spike in holiday travel this weekend. promising sign we may be inching closer and closer to some level of normal and it's looking like it in vegas. we are going live to the strip, which is reopening now at full capacity. that's next.
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welcome back. crowded beaches, packed parks,
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traffic on the highways were many ways welcomed signs this weekend. the first time things felt kind of close to normal. you got more than half the country vaccinated. coronavirus cases in the u.s. are now down to the march 2020 levels. in the uk, they just reported zero coronavirus-related deaths in the past 24 hours, none in the last day. that is a big milestone. experts warn, yes, the pandemic is easing but we haven't beaten the virus just yet. the airports were the busiest they've been since the pandemic started. the tsa reporting 7 million people headed through security checkpoints in the last five days. nbc's guad villegas is there now. the world of concrete trade show set to kick off may not be like the biggest convention we heard about but that is a big thing for the city because there are a lot of visitors there. >> right, it's actually super
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interesting once you read into it, but that's a whole different story. >> i stand corrected. let's do a hit on concrete next week and we'll talk all about it, how about that? >> okay, yes. i was going to say, i think a lot of the people who went through tsa came to las vegas. we had crowds come to the strip. this street was filled. if you look across the street right now, all of these restaurants crowded, 100% capacity. the strip is back to the way it was pre-pandemic, although the numbers are not there yet completely. you mentioned the convention. we did speak to the tourism board today. she said they have a lot this year on the books and 2022 is looking good. this is about an $11 billion
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annually before the pandemic. and then, of course, the tourists in las vegas. if you look at numbers, the month of april was already at 2.5 million visitors. that's still about a million below the numbers during the pandemic. rule changers, no masks, no restrictions, everything is at 100%. they also allowed live concerts and these conventions that once again, as mentioned, will change the game for las vegas. >> that is for sure. guad, having so much fun but his live shot taking a hit. i'm very glad you're there and thank you for that live reporting. appreciate it. coming up -- the russian foreign minister issuing a thinly veiled warning with the biden/putin summit a couple of weeks away. we'll tell you about it next. ay we'll tell you about it next riders, the lone wolves of the great highway.
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it should be clear, and deals like this have unravelled in the past, and we are watching another political story developing overseas. fellow senators chris murphy and rob portman met with the opposition leader in lithuania. it comes as the white house plans to draw up sanctions of belarus' government for forcing a flight to land and arresting a opposition journalist. this happens two weeks before president biden is set to meet with president putin. lavrov is saying he doesn't expect any major break through's
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from this month's face-to-face meeting. and joining me is a international affairs analyst, ambassador mcfaul. i think we will be seeing a lot of you over the next couple of weeks. thank you for being with us. >> sure, and glad to be here. >> so no major breakthroughs, is that it? is that right? what are the expectations of the summit and is there daylight between the two? >> i don't often agree with him, but i do agree with him on this assessment. i think the goal of this meeting is to reduce misperceptions. the goal of this meeting is to talk about our differences, and the biden administration signaled that, and maybe in the margins they agree to begin negotiations over things we can agree on. the top of my list would be
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strategic talks, and the treaty will expire in five years' time and maybe having more visas for russians to come to the united states and vice versa, and that's it, that's the extent of the meeting. >> i have covered discussions between former president trump and putin a time or two, and how much of this will be president biden trying to unroll some of the actions and things from trump towards russia? >> well, that would be a good start. the summit between trump and putin was the worst bilateral summit in the history, and you do remember that meeting is where the president of the united states was bending over backwards to become putin's friend. president biden doesn't need to
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be his friend, but he needs to be careful and anytime you get two levels together, and this is incredible hijacking and then putin invited luka shiancoe to come and spend time with him, and this is not a time for happy talk with vladimir putin. >> you talk about the long list of things that putin has done even in the last couple of years, and even look at the last couple months, human rights abuses, you have to have that addressed, and we have cyber attacks that even if russia is not technically behind that perhaps giving the green light for the russian criminals to move forward with.
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where does president biden even start here? >> i think he needs to be tough, and i think he needs to signal to putin that we will develop a strategy for containing putin's russia. remember, this meeting should be in my view just one element of a grand strategy of where to deal with russia. you engage with putin when you can, and you also have to contain him on these other fronts and i hope biden brings that message to geneva. >> it's great to have your expertise on the show this afternoon, and thank you for being with us. clear your schedule from june 10th to the 17th, if you will. >> i have a feeling i might be in geneva, so hope to see you there. >> good. we look forward to seeing you. we appreciate you for joining us this hour. chuck will be back tomorrow for a whole lot more of "meet the press daily," and you can catch me a little earlier on "hallie jackson reports."
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i'm jeff bennett coming to you live from tulsa, oklahoma. just a short time from now joe biden will be the first president to lead our nation in reckoning of what happened 100 years ago today right here where we are sitting. the tulsa race massacre had been largely and intentionally erased from the history books until recently, but not by those who survived the two days of unspeakable atrocities and lived to tell the world about the horror. >> that was one of the worst sights that i can ever remember. >> stays on my mind. has been on my mind all of these years. >> it was covered up and we didn't talk about it. >> in the early 1900s, greenwood was known as the black wall street until the evening of may

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