want sort of to feel like they're attaching or not attaching themselves to president trump. they will book somewhere elsewhere they don't have to have the conversation. embassies, a big, big, big business in washington, especially luxury hotels, same thing. it's a political choice it feels like whether or not you stay at a trump hotel. it's easier to stay at a competitor. >> jonathan o'connell, thank you for bringing us your reporting. thanks for watching this hour of "hallie jackson reports." right now, our coverage continues with my friend chris jansing. good morning. i'm chris jansing in for craig mel sin. we have our eyes on the white house. there's a larger conversation, a

push in congress to make a temporary policy from the president's american rescue plan permanent. to stop child hunger. that's the literal name of the act. congresswoman hayes is part of that push. she will join me in a matter of minutes. does her bill have a chance of passing? today, the big question is if congress can come together on another item, infrastructure. the president is meeting with republican lead negotiators in a matter of hours. the ball is in the white house's court after the gop released its infrastructure counterproposal. the difference in the price tag is gaping. the runway for getting this done is shrinking. it has the president sending new signals on the direction he sees his agenda heading. he is tapping vice president harris to tackle voting rights and drawing a line in the sand with his party over his agenda as time slips away.

with two specific democratic senators to be exact. he is not naming names, but they are getting the message. a lot to talk about. first, infrastructure and president biden's larger agenda. we have a great team to dig into this. nbc's mike memoli is at the white house, leigh ann caldwell on capitol hill, heidi presbala at a crumbling school and eugene daniels. he is an msnbc contributor. good to see you. mike, in a couple of hours, president biden will sit down with the lead republican negotiator. take us through where both sides stand on this. could this meeting be a -- be a make or break opportunity to get something done? >> reporter: absolutely. this is only the latest meeting between the white house and key republicans as they try to find a bipartisan path forward on infrastructure. it may well be the last.

that's because after weeks of offers and counteroffers, we have seen the white house move their price tag down to $1.7 trillion, republicans move up to north of $900 billion. there's other differences in how to pay for it. the white house wants to increase corporate taxes. republicans want to repurpose covid relief money as well as user fees, something the white house called a red line. there's differences in the substance of the proposals.s was on traditional roads and bridges. the white house wanting to improve things like water systems. as the white house deputy press secretary put it to me yesterday, when i asked her about this as we traveled with the president to tulsa, this is a critical week as she put it in terms of deciding whether there's going to be a bipartisan path. it's significant that this is a one on one meeting. the president with shelley

moore-capito. then there's a deadline ahead in terms of what's happening on capitol hill next week. that's when the democratic-led infrastructure and transportation committee has scheduled the first markup of their own infrastructure plan, something that will look much closer to what the president proposed than what republicans have. white house is seeing that as an important date on the calendar. this week, why it's so critical to determine whether republicans are ultimately going to move enough in their direction to justify a bipartisan deal. >> leigh ann, shelly is critical to this. what's the mood among democrats and republicans on the hill? what are they seeing as feasible? what's the time line for potentially passing a bill? >> reporter: chris, so, republicans and democrats are if -- are in this wait and see period.

there's three things that republicans and democrats have to agree on on any deal, especially infrastructure. that's the top line number, that is how you pay for it and that is how you define the legislation. in this case, infrastructure. of course, we know that republicans define infrastructure in a very traditional way. as for the pay for, this is something that is going to be extremely difficult. what president biden wants to do is unravel the 2017 republican tax cut bill to pay for it. what the republicans propose is basically unraveling the just recently passed 1.9 trillion covid relief bill. all the money that's allocated from 2022 to 2031 that was given to a variety of issues. they want to redirect that funding to pay for infrastructure. it's going to be very difficult for the two sides to come

together in any sort of negotiation on any of these three issues. we will be watching really closely. republicans know that this is going to be a critical week. they're watching to see what shelly says coming out of this meeting. democrats are extremely impatient. they are laying the groundwork behind the scenes to moving on infrastructure alone through this process known as reconciliation. they say that they are not afraid to use it. they are waiting to get the smoke signals from the white house on which direction to go. >> i know you have to take off to do more reporting. thank you for being with us. that brings me to heidi. as both of them pointed out, mike and leigh ann, infrastructure has a lot of definitions, very different between republicans and democrats. one of the big implications for one part of american life is what's going to happen with schools. you are outside a philly school that's one of the most decrepit. talk a little bit about it, what

this infrastructure bill could mean as well for a school like that. >> reporter: good morning. residents of this community would tell you when we talk about failing infrastructure in this country, we don't talk enough about the health and safety risks posed to our children in decrepit schools like this. it was built in 1912. some of the health and safety risks the philly federation of teachers have documented inside the school are exposed asbestos, a condemned fourth floor and mice infestation that pose asthma risks. even the principal told us, he doesn't feel safe inside. take a listen. >> biology class, there's a hole in the ceiling. there's a bucket at the bottom where water would drop and

trickle down basically. >> look around, it's like, this does not look like america. it looks like we're in a third world country inside a building. that's safe. it's sad they're not getting the full experience of the american education system that we're providing. >> reporter: this is not just a philly problem. we got our first look at the state of infrastructure in u.s. schools in 25 years late last year. what they found was 36,000 different schools are in need of hvac updates. it has implications for air quality and mold. to your question, chris, about whether the covid relief will credit, no. in the fine print it says that that funding should not be used for long-term renovations, the type that would be needed here. covid is just exposing this problem that has been decades in the making because of the way

that we fund our schools. this is an epidemic in inner-city schools nationwide. >> eugene, you note the president is serious about a deal and note, by elevating the talks to a one on one with capito, he risks taking more of the blame if they fall apart. if they fall apart, eugene, how does that change the political landscape for this white house's chances of a deal moving forward, talking about the stakes of the conversation that's going to happen later today? >> i mean, if that does happen, if these talks don't follow through with him and capito doesn't come to a deal, there's a huge risk. one of the issues to add to what mike was saying is that they aren't just different in money, they are also different in new money, what the republicans want to offer in money that's new versus what democrats want in

new spending. that's another aspect of this. in this meeting, biden will have to prove that he is this deal maker that he has talked about and that we saw for 36 years in the senate and eight years as vice president. there's a lot of pressure on him to get something done from his own administration, from himself telling the american people that he wants a bipartisan deal. if that doesn't happen, all eyes go to the people he was throwing shade at yesterday in his speech, manchin and sinema. let's get this done. they are running out of time. not just from any potential markups next week but the legislative calendar. there's not a lot of time where the senate and the house are in session during the summer. they are running out of time to

get something done. this meeting is going to be huge. i don't love to say make or break, but it feels like we are close to that time. >> i don't want to go in our last couple of minutes without asking you, eugene, since you are in tulsa where the president gave that speech yesterday, about a couple of things. one is, obviously, you have a vice president who has a full plate. now added to that was voting rights. the speech was noteworthy not just for what president biden said about voting rights but also for what he didn't say, reparations. many black leaders saying a critical way to rebuild the middle class is to cancel student loans. talk about the priorities as you see them for this administration and the will to get what is a pretty ambitious program done. >> yeah. absolutely. when it comes to race and equity, this is a white house

that has talked about it a lot and they announced initiatives this week to tackle and narrow the racial wealth gap. there is a frustration among people in tulsa but also those who say, why didn't you come out with a full endorsement for hr-40 that has gone through committee that would simply study, create a commission to study reparations? they say a lot of people i talked with say the white house and this administration, they are happy that the president came here. he was the first president to actually come to tulsa in history, to come to tulsa and mark this occasion and this massacre. they are happy he came. they want more. they say that no matter what happens on capitol hill, they have to have the president speaking out in these things. when it comes to pry o prioriti

voting rights is huge. they talked about narrowing the racial wealth gap. kamala harris is leading on voting rights, which is not an easy task. you have hr-1 and hr-4 that are -- >> understatement. >> exactly. not really easy issues to deal with. you talk to people, these jobs that she's had, whether it's the diplomatic relations with guatemala or the new voting rights job, most can't go through reconciliation. that makes it more difficult. you have people that tell me because the issues have been so hard to fix, even a little bit of a change from the status quo would be welcome. she would be applauded for that. there's that part. >> eugene, great to see you. mike, heidi, thanks to you. higher prices and a potential meat shortage. how the massive cyberattack on

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we are following breaking news. medina spirit has once again failed a drug test. an attorney for the horse's trainer says a second drug test confirmed the presence of a banned steroid. officials are allowing their team to have another lab analyze the sample. the trainer says the substance came from an ointment used on the horse, not an injection, which they believe the third test will confirm. this does significantly increase the probability the horse's derby victory could be overturned. grocery stores and restaurants are bracing for potential meat shortages after the cyberattack at the world's largest meat processing plant. right now, jbs is still scrambling to get back online. production plants in several states were forced to shut down. the company says it expects the vast majority of its beef, pork and poultry plants to be operational once again today. the hack was raising critical

questions about cybersecurity. this is the second major cyberattack to affect our infrastructure in less than a month. jbs is pointing to russian hackers as the culprits. the former director of the u.s. cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency had a warning for other companies. >> if you are a corporate executive or a state and local government agency head and you thought that you would be spared, that criminals wouldn't go after you, guess what, they went after gas and after our hot dogs. no one is out of bounds here. >> they went after our gas and hot dogs. jake ward is in california at a cattle ranch that's been affected by the attack. jake, we know the white house has been in touch with jbs. take us through what we are seeing in terms of this attack and how it's affecting production and getting stuff on our grocery shelves. >> reporter: you know, chris, it sounds like a very abstract

problem. touching on a company. it turns out when you are in the deeply centralized system of food production in the united states, just attacking one company can have a huge affect. i asked the owner of this particular ranch, scott stone, why it is that in a country that 50 years ago had a butcher shop on every corner, that just this brief interruption in the process will affect his ranch. have a listen. >> there's four companies that control 80% of the market. what we need to see is a regulatory environment that actually favors business development for more processing, for livestock. we have a very fragile system. these kind of events bring that to the forefront and show people how critical it is to have a safe food supply. >> reporter: chris, looking out

across the 15,000 acres and 700 head of cattle at this ranch, you get a sense of how fridge -- fragile the whole system is. drought, fire, supply and demand problems. at this point, we have heard that in massachusetts, the steamship authority that runs the ferry service, even that has been attacked. i could be standing almost anywhere in america and be showing you a place that's vulnerable to these kinds of attacks. that's what we are learning in this new area of ransomware. >> thanks, jake. there has been another cyberattack that disrupted ferry service in parts of massachusetts. it's the massachusetts steamship authority. it was targeted by a ransomware

attack. they operate the largest ferry service to and from nantucket and martha's vineyard. the authority says a team of i.t. professionals are trying to figure out the extent of the attack. some ferries have been delayed. we will keep you posted on that breaking news. new surveillance video could be a critical piece of evidence for investigainvestigators. you may find the video difficult to watch. it's a new vantage point that shows the attackers shooting 23 people, killing two, in just six seconds. so far, no word on any potential suspects. sam brock has been following this story for us from miami-dade. i understand you got a new statement from the police there. >> reporter: we do have a new statement from miami-dade police. it's worth noting, chris, the only video police confirmed so far is surveillance video from this alley over my shoulder that originally showed the three

suspecting running out of the suv with assault rifles firing and going back in within six seconds. here is the statement on the new video that we just got from miami-dade pd. we are aware of the video circulating on social media platforms. detectives are investigating the possibility of multiple shooters. nothing further for now. the camera angle you referenced, we have a source confirming its authenticity. you can see in the video that there's a second car 45-degree angle away at the other end of the parking lot from where this took place. it looks like gunfire and a pan getting inside of the vehicle. what that means in terms of the investigation and how they are pursuing the suspects is not clear at this point. we know, 23 people were shot, two of whom have been killed. there have been seven plus shootings in the last week here, two mass shootings in miami within a week. we spoke with the commissioner who sponsored a piece of legislation that would look into things like mentoring for kids and jobs for at-risk youth,

about the importance of those measures right now as communities are being torn apart. here is what he said. >> this is a learned behavior. you don't -- you are not born as the police director said with an ak-47 in your hand. because you have that, doesn't make you bad. you can have a firearm and use it responsibly. that's not what you are seeing here. what you are seeing is someone taking a firearm and causing as much damage as possible to innocent people. that's not something that we should accept in the united states of america. >> reporter: chris, right now, the miami-dade government is reviewing a peace and prosperity plan that would interrupt the cycle of violence before kidding decide to pick up a gun. chris? >> sam brock, thanks. we appreciate your ongoing reporting there. free beer, scholarships and million-dollar prizes. states and businesses getting creative with incentives to convince more folks to get vaccinated. west virginia, well, we will

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president harris are getting a briefing from the covid response team. the president will address the nation open how things stand this afternoon. a white house official telling nbc news he will announce june as a national month of action to get more people vaccinated by the 4th of july. it's going to include a major push involving celebrities, athletes, businesses and thousands of volunteers across the country. we have seen some businesses step up in a big way. just this morning, anheuser-busch announcing they are teaming up with the white house to offer vaccinated adults a free beer if we hit the president's target. krispy kreme his 1.5 million doughnuts given away. west virginia is rolling out incentives. get a vaccine, and you might get a gun. you heard that right. west virginia will give away ten to folks getting a vaccine dose.

the governor is hoping to turn around the state's slowing pace of vaccinations. we are following this. there are other insensitives as well. custom trucks, college scholarships. what are you hearing from people there about these prizes for getting a vaccine? >> reporter: we have seen those more traditional incentives. there's a number of other things. officials are trying to make a wild and wonderful approach to the incentive program. hunting and fishing is big business here in west virginia. they are giving away a free lifetime hunting and fishing license. they are giving away things like two ford f-150s. they are giving away trips to state parks like this one here. there's more than 30 across the state you can go to. and they are giving away guns. five rifles and five shotguns

every week starting june 20th for the remainder of the summer. that has critics concerned. they say a vaccine program like this shouldn't involve one of the states that has one of the highest gun death rates in the country. officials say they know what the people here want. they think that's what's going to get folks vaccinated. some of the folks i wanted to this morning weren't so sure. >> a lot of gimmicks. it's taxpayer money. to me, it's going to the wrong places. >> i'm 84. what would i do with a million dollars? >> hearing about the incentives, trucks, guns, things of this nature, if this is something for the public good and public health, why do you have to incentivize it? >> reporter: all three of the folks i talked to told me they were unvaccinated. not a gun or a million dollars or a visit to a state park was going to change their mind. they are not alone.

about 28% of vest virginians are unwilling to get the vaccine. >> wow. all three not vaccinated. i want to bring in dr. ramirez. he is the managing director of opportunity labs as well as an emergency physician. great to see you. let's start with what we heard from west virginia. the non-profit gun violence archives says there have been more than 18,000 gun deaths this year alone. a 20% increase from 2019. we are only halfway through the year. we know west virginia is trying to increase covid vaccinations. the governor says he knows his audience. on the other hand, critics say you are trying to incentivize people to save lives by giving them a weapon that could take a life. what do you make of where we are right now where there does seem to be this growing push to have to incentivize people to get their vaccination?

>> it's definitely pretty interesting. there's interesting data from the kaiser family foundation that showed last week among the people who are holding out for the vaccines, the thing that seems like it makes the biggest difference is the vaccines being fully approved by the fda, not any of the gimmicks. that's the first thing i would say. once we get to full regulatory approval, that's going to be the biggest push. the interesting point about west virginia, i think they are right to try to meet people where they are. i think we also have to acknowledge the gun violence that's been going on over the last few months, even over the last few years. rifles and shotguns are not in the same category as other fire arms. i have my own personal beliefs. i'm not sure this is the right way to go. my hope is that hopefully the fda approval is going to be the biggest game changer. >> as you step back -- you are an emergency room physician --

and see some of the successes, what are the lessons you think that we have learned? i live in new york city. i was here when there were refrigerated trucks, there were so many bodies. now the announcement today that yesterday was the first day zero deaths from covid. the transmission rate, lowest since they started tracking, testing, under 1%. when you look at st stories lik this -- we are at 55% vaccination -- what are the lessons or are there lessons? is it impossible to take a new york city and extrapolate it to someplace like west virginia? >> i think there will be plenty of lessons that we will look at in the years to come. there are a few things that i look back on right now. the first, i think, is that vaccines make a big difference. new york has one of the highest

vaccination rates in the country. what the data would show is that when we look at populations and we control for the people who are vaccinate and pull them out of the sample, the disease is still spreading efficiently in people unvaccinated. the lesson there is that vaccinations are what are saving lives here and people following public health directives. >> let me ask you about a very important public health directive. ohio becomes the latest to lift its mask requirement. we know the cdc says you don't have to wear a mask if you are fully vaccinated. only half of all adults in the country are. which means we are still far from the idea of herd immunity. does it seem to be the right time to be lifting restrictions? one of the things i hear a lot is, should i trust that person next to me who is not wearing a mask that they actually are vaccinated? >> i think that brings us to the second big lesson, chris, that we can take away from this event, which is that public health authorities have not been

well empowered in most jurisdictions here in the country. when we look back at ebola response and looking to this pandemic, local health authorities often do not have the enforcement mechanism and have relied on other civil authorities to try to give regulations about what people should or shouldn't be doing. i think that's really been a key lesson in this pandemic is that when local health authorities have needed other authorities, whether that's mayors or governors to step in and offer guidance, it's been lacking. i hope that is something we fix for the next pandemic. the immediate answer to your question about, is it safe for people to take off their masks when we don't know what other people are doing around us, data shows if you are vaccinated, it's highly unlikely you will get infected and more unlikely that you will end up in a hospital if you do get infected. you have to acknowledge that there are critical holes in our

response architecture to this, primarily around what public health authorities can and can't do in a crisis like this. >> something we have to look at for the future. dr. ramirez, thanks so much. appreciate your time. just ahead, house democrats just added one more member to their slim majority after last night's special election in new mexico. steve kornacki is at the big board to check out the numbers. most of us are ready to ditch everything about this pandemic. staying inside, not seeing family, no restaurants. one congresswoman says, not soa the pandemic that she wants to make permanent. the congresswoman will join me to explain. woman will join me to explain

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stansbury will fill a seat. steve kornacki is at his post at the big board. it's amazing to be in the same studio with you, steve. tell us about this special election. >> great to be back with you. seems like old times. here we go. post-election at the big board, special election in new mexico. when we look at special elections, we are doing it with an eye to the next midterm election. is it some clue about the political temperature as we start to approach election season? we haven't had many special elections in the early part of the biden administration. this is the cleanest look so far. the democrat wins this election, this is albuquerque. not a shock the democrat wins. this went for biden strongly back in november. biden won this district by 23 points. you mentioned deb.

she won this. what would the margin be for democrats? maybe they don't win the seat. republicans were hoping, maybe we can get this to single digits. we can send a signal, with bide. >> announcer: -- with biden in the white house, there's a backlash. they played up crime, thinking they might get traction there. they were looking to keep this thing ideally in single digits to say, if we can get to single digits in a district like new mexico, that will set us up in a lot of other districts arndt country to win. instead, you see the margin here actually comes in not just higher than the deb margin, higher than the joe biden margin for democrats. they will win this by 23 points. this is about as close as you will see balance of power in the house. with this last night, there are

four vacancies. 220 to 211, it's not going to make many seats for the republicans in the midterms to get back control. one thing republicans have on their side is history. we go back to 1950 here. look at the red ink. what is that? that's the party in the white house, that's how they have done in midterm elections. these are house seats. losing 40. obama's democrats lost 63 in 2010. bill clinton's democrats lost 54 in 1994. generally, almost always the white house party loses seats in the house. frequently, they take a bath. we just showed you with the balance of power that close, that narrow in the house, if anything like we have seen in history happens again in 2022, that's it for the democratic majority. republicans take back the house. what democrats are trying to prove here, what they are trying

to show is they can buck history, that they can defy history in 2022. it's rare. it happened twice where the white house parties actually picked up a few seats. they will point to that result in new mexico and say, we did better than biden in this district. that suggests maybe we could defy history in the midterm in 2022. if democrats are going to hold on to the majority, they will have to do an awful lot better than history says the white house party does. they have a little piece of evidence last night in new mexico. that's only one special election in one district. we don't have a lot else to look at. that's the first data point. 2022 starts to come into focus. >> a lot of uncertainty because of redistricting and some folks who don't know exactly where they would be even running. steve, we will have an interesting next, i don't know, year or so. >> it's just getting started.

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the year. it's great to have you here. it's timely and important. you wrote in your op-ed, about the 40 million americans experiencing food insecurity even before the pandemic. the president called this the largest summer food program in u.s. history. post pandemic, why is it important to continue, in your view? >> first of all, thank you for having me. i think everyone should see this as an important issue, march of 2020 before we could have a conversation about closing schools in the middle of a pandemic, the first question was how will these kids eat. my bill looks to make this summer program permanent so whenever kids are out of school more than five days, they will

get this money added to their snap benefit to ensure they are having healthy meals. i was in a classroom for over a decade. i know what it's like when kids return after a long weekend and haven't had a good food weekend. >> so you know what it looks like. you were also a snap recipient at some point. talk to me about what people maybe don't get about why this is important from your experience both as a recipient but also inside the school system. >> this is deeply personal for me. i think people don't get who snap beneficiaries are. when i was a young mom i worked two jobs and was going to school full time and still qualified for snap. we have to make sure that --

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estimates. i think senator murray said this program would cost about $8 billion. the usda estimate is more like $12 billion. many times the pushback we hear about programs like this is the bottom line. give us a cost-benefit analysis of this. >> we have a moral responsibility. there is a cost to feeding hungry children. there is a cost associated with it. but everything we do in congress has a cost associated with it. we appropriate dollars. and it is valuable for children, to invest in their education so they can become members of society and hopefully someday not be on the receiving end of age. we need make a choice that it is worth that cost to ensure that

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