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bring the for the people act to the floor later this month for a vote. it can't come soon enough, as republican led legislatures across the country have introduced nearly 400 bills that limit voting access. an anti-voting wave that this country has not seen since the end of reconstruction. ari berman writes that much of what we're witnessing is a concerted attempt to end the second reconstruction which began with the passing of the voting act in 1965. the republican party is rewriting the rules of american democracy to protect conservative white political power from the rising influence of new demographic groups. unless something is done now, the damage could be irreparable. tuesday, president biden, signaling a new phase in the pressure campaign, he called out

two obstinate members of his own party. >> this sacred right is under assault with an intensity and aggressiveness that we have not seen in a long, long time. it's simply un-american. i hear all of the folks on tv saying, why doesn't biden get this done? because biden only has four votes in the house, and a tie in the senate, with two members of the senate who vote more with my republican friends. >> one of those members, kyrsten sinema, called herself a happy warrior for bipartisanship. she repeated her refusal to budge on the filibuster. >> to those who say we must make a choice between the filibuster

and "x," i say, this is a false choice. the reality is, when you have a system that is not working effectively, and i think most would agree the senate is not a particularly well-oiled machine, right, the way to fix that is to change your behavior. not to change the rules, but to change your behavior. >> the other unnamed senator, joe manchin of west virginia, told reporter to keep the faith in this damn senate, and we'll make it work out. we'll make it bipartisan. keep the faith in what? last week, the bill to create the january 6th commission was killed. there will never be ten senate republicans willing to overcome a filibuster because of what their leader told us.

>> 100% of my focus is on standing up to this administration. what we have in the united states senate is total unity from susan collins and ted cruz, in opposition to what the new biden administration is trying to do to this country. >> 100%. that leaves us frankly confused as to why manchin and sinema care more about the will of the republican party than about the will of the american party. joining me now, al franken, former senator and host of the al franken podcast, and christina greer. senator franken, i have not worked with these people, i don't know these people. but i can't think of an explanation for what manchin and sinema are doing unless it is that they actually prefer that republicans control the process and maybe that republicans control the senate. or they themselves maybe don't

plan to run for re-election and are looking forward to their next thing, they're just preparing themselves to be the smoking man on "the x-files" and let the other guy win. do you understand this? >> this is an existential threat to our democracy. what the republicans passed nationwide, and look at arizona. where not only are they suppressing votes, something they traditionally do to try to get people they don't want to vote, to vote. what they're actually doing is trying to give the authority to republican officials in elections. in arizona, they've given the authority to the attorney general, taken it from the

secretary of state. that expires in january of 2023, because they don't know who will win the attorney general, and who will win the secretary of state. this is different. this is not whether, you know, to cover orthodontics in the aca. this is democracy. and i would make the case to joe manchin, especially on this bill, because i hear sinema is for it. but also on the filibuster, obviously, that we either need to get -- joe said he won't get rid of it, sinema said she won't get rid of it. we've been working on a modification that i think would work in stopping this. and i'll let the professor weigh in here so i don't, you know, talk too much. >> no, we want you to talk.

the thing is, christina greer, kyrsten sinema knows everything that al franken just said, she knows what is happening in her own state. i can only conclude she wants it to proceed. she says she's a co-sponsor, but i cannot conclude other than what she sees happening that republicans are doing, she's for it. because she's not for changing it. she's not for stopping it. i don't know what else to conclude. >> well, two words, joy. primaries matter. because just as you said, she will be more than happy to show up in particular communities when the primary season comes around to talk about certain legislation that she mealy-mouthed supported. but with with our democracy, she's been adversary to the democratic party.

and we know there is great ideological diversity in the democratic party. but we cannot have democratic senators who are actively working against the american people. and that is what we're seeing with sinema and manchin, when they refuse to support their democratic colleagues when it comes to assessing what the filibuster has done, and how it prevents, especially with mcconnell and his caucus, how it prevents the american public from moving forward in a substantive way. the fact that they're voting against the january 6th commission should be proof enough to let us know they're not interested in the health, wealth, and continuation of the american democracy. >> you have vice president harris who will be leading the administration's efforts. you have the naacp preparing to meet with manchin.

they're basically throwing the full african-american coalition at manchin. because right now, it's senator cory booker that is out there. reverend warnock out there. they're throwing -- i don't see how that moves him. he doesn't need african-american votes to win. it's a 7% black state. does that work? i don't see how it works, but tell me if you think it's different. >> let me describe what we've been working on for 12 years now, and we've modified the modification. right now, if you look at the vote on the january 6th commission, they only got 35 to stop it. but they didn't need 35. they didn't need any. they needed one, i guess. they needed someone to show up. >> yeah. >> but we needed 60. this modification is, they have to show up. and there have to be 41 votes.

they have to keep the filibuster going. but not just that, they have to stay there. it has to be a talking filibuster, and they have to stay there. and they can stay there a day, they can stay there two days. there's 50 of them. 41 have to be there at some point, all day, all night, by my math, each of them would get five hours off. you do that for two or three days, chuck grassley gets a little tired of that. mitch mcconnell gets a little tired of that. plus, the american people get to hear them debate. and they get to hear the republicans take the pro side on why it should be a crime to give someone a glass of water or give them water in a line. i want to see that debate.

i want to have the american people see that debate. and i want to make jim inhofe and mitch mcconnell be there. believe me, i've been in this body. they don't want to stay there, and they're not going to. and this, you know, before filibusters were people like strom thurmond, were for the exact opposite reason, for bad reasons. this is about our democracy. if we allow this to overturn elections, elected officials, elected republican officials to overturn elections, our democracy goes away. it wouldn't be hitler, wouldn't be tojo or the confederacy, it would be mitch mcconnell who ended our democracy. >> and manchin and sinema, sorry. i can't not fault them.

i think this is a great idea. filibuster, it started out that you needed two-thirds, then it's down to 60. is there a reason it couldn't be 55? democrats could do the math, how many votes can we get for a january 6th insurrection, 55? that's going to be the number from now on. because manchin, sinema, they can't deliver ten votes. maybe they can get five or six. or maybe just change it, i can't believe those people don't have to explain on television why they're voting against the bill. at least make them do that. is that something that could a change, that i don't know, it could happen and would help? >> right. and i think what we'll see, we'll circumvent the rules, and have some sort of task force

where we'll have a conversation about it, but it won't be the official vote. which is what it needs to be. i want our democratic senators to be a little bit more firm with our colleagues. i think mitch mcconnell will stay there for five days, ten days, if it means taking away democratic freedoms from the american people. i don't think he will tire of that. i think he's shown himself. he wants to make sure that joe biden is not successful, and that the democratic party does not have any wins. and i don't think that he keeps the larger vision of what american democracy should look like. he's unmoved and unbothered by the circumstances that we find ourselves in. i want our democratic senators to stop pretending that their republican colleagues will ever think about american democracy the way they do. republicans are not willing to work together. they're coming to this knife fight with everything in their

arsenal, and democrats are still like, well, shucks, maybe if we smile a little more, they'll like us. this is not happening, and the strategies need to be a little more firm and direct with their republican colleagues moving forward. >> we're out of time. but al, do you agree that mitch mcconnell would stay there for ten days? >> no, he wouldn't. but you said it used to be two-thirds, that was two-thirds present and voting. >> right. >> now it's 60. and there's a difference. because present and voting means they have to be there. and they're not going to be there. >> they could do it from home. think about it, they can filibuster from home. al, christina, thank you. up next, she's one of america's top defenders of democracy. arizona secretary of state katie hobbs has called out republicans for their fake election audit in

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are looking at ballots. hundreds of volunteers continue to paw ballots in search of bamboo fibers, cheese dust, and nonexistent fraud. secretary of state katie hobbs says experts have seen concerning practices in the audit, and data was sent to a lab in montana, but did not specify what the lab would do, or what this lab was even was. this is terrifyingly anti-democratic, but today a delegation of republican state starts toured there, and received a brief from the so-called forensic team. and one of them had spent tens of thousands of dollars to bus

protesters, if you want to call them that, to the capitol on january 6th. katie hobbs joins us now. what is happening in arizona is probably the scariest of the states right now. how out of control is this process, and is there is way to get it to stop? >> we really hope there is a way to get it to stop. we've been working on different avenues to do that since it began. but we've also been saying since the beginning that they are writing the playbook to take this to other states. everyone watching should be extremely concerned about this. it's an attempt to continue to undermine election integrity. and lay the groundwork to steal future elections. >> it's also costing taxpayers in maricopa county money. you said the voting machines

that have been tampered with are no longer good. it's going to cost millions of dollars. and arizona, this is called ohpi, a power ranking among arizona figures. it says you are number one among arizona registered voters, number three among democrats. does that popularity across the board give you kind of a public forum to be able to speak against this? what has been the result of you trying to talk this down? >> well, i certainly think it speaks to where arizonans are on this audit. they're tired of the partisan politics, and i've had the chance to show leadership and stand up for the integrity of our elections. and that is what we're seeing right now, arizonans want leader

who will stand up on the side of what is true and right. >> you're now running for governor. if you win, do you just assume that the republican state legislature will say, no, you didn't win, and refuse to seat you? >> they certainly have proposed laws that would allow them to overturn the will of the voters. fortunately, this year, those laws didn't get passed. but i could see them continuing to propose these kinds of laws in the future. i think anything that was passed in the next legislative session would go into effect too late to impact the 2022 election. but that will not be the last election we have. >> if they wanted to do it to you, they couldn't do it right away. have you had a conversation with your senators about what is happening in the state? >> yes. yes. >> and what do they say?

what do they say about it? >> you're talking about our u.s. senators? >> yes. >> yes. yes. i've talked to senator kelly, he's extremely concerned about what is going on. and we talked at length about it just yesterday. >> what about senator sinema? >> i have not had a conversation with senator sinema. >> mark kelly has been very quiet. he's an impressive guy, he hasn't really spoken publicly about what happened in arizona. can you understand why? and sinema has said nothing. all she's said is, i love the filibuster, that's it. >> i've been working to share my concerns with our senators. and i know their constituents have been reaching out to them, too. i'm not going to tell them how to do their jobs. but i will continue to do my job and stand up for the integrity

of our elections and protect the voters of arizona. >> do you expect to get support from republicans who are sick of this? have some come up to you and said, i'm done with this? >> i've certainly talked to republicans who are supporting my run for governor, and supported me in my run for secretary of state. i'm working to get the support of arizona voters across the political spectrum. >> when you're running, going back to what you've had to tell maricopa county, are you concerned that the physical infrastructure that would be required for even your election and all of the elections in 2022 is so broken, it won't be possible to have a clear result or a free and fair election in arizona in 2022 or 2024? >> this is why we reached out to the county and told them we would need to know what their plan is for the election equipment.

we're already well into preparations for the 2022 election. this so-called audit is completely disruptive to those preparations. and, you know, we're already working towards that. so we -- the reason for reaching out to maricopa county now about the equipment is so we can make sure that there is a backup plan in place, and that we're ready for the 2022 election. not to be ready is not an option. >> absolutely. in that state, especially. god bless you, and good luck. your state is frightening the rest of the country, it's a potential future that we don't want. good luck, katie hobbs. thank you. >> thank you. here's a question for a certain fox news host. next time you're thinking about comparing vaccine passports to jim crow laws, don't. just don't. tonight's absolute worst is straight ahead. every day unilever does good

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in bars, comedy clubs, dance competitions, in the state of new york. medical jim crow has come to america. if we still had water fountains, we would have separate ones. >> nurse, we have another case of victim status envy. these people have decided that being a victim of cruelty is somehow desired, and they want a piece of the action. republicans apparently want so badly to blur the lines, they're trying to claim that, no, no, the anti-voting laws are not jim crow style suppression, it's anything that prevents them. people screaming that jim crow

was created by democrats, like that's some kind of drop the mic argument. saying democrats created jim crow the first time it was used is not an argument that you are using it now. since black people created rock and roll, you can't all elvis a rock and roll artist, because that's a thing only black people did. see how horribly that would work out? and here we go again. having to explain to republicans that at the time the democrats were doing jim crow, they were the conservative southern-based party, and republicans were the more liberal northern-based party. pop quiz, who is the confederate flag-waving party now? the parties switched ideological sides. history is weird. and i doubt this heckler is a biden voter.

>> i came out to give y'all a statement, and say this is a powerful moment. >> it's a communist moment. >> we know who else has been called a communist? they called martin luther king a communist. you're going to stand behind me and sing dixieland. ♪ look away look away ♪ >> it looks like the idiots who stormed the capitol. tucker needs to hear this, but requiring people to wear a mask or carry a card isn't jim crow targeting the vaccine refusers and anti-maskers, any more than no shirt, no service targets naked people. no, they shouldn't be served. you should be able to exclude

naked people. but you can't exclude people on characteristics like race, gender, or sexual orientation. jim crow laws, just like the current anti-voing laws, were massed mainly in the south, to exclude black people from social life. jim crow laws back in the bad old days that most republicans think was the good old days, the constitution doesn't allow that. they said, in order to vote, black people had to meet these very hard to meet ccriteria, lie passing a literacy test, reading a complicated passage, or reciting a passage from the constitution from memory. and can't anyone who ought to be

voting have to do that? it's about preventing voter fraud. that's what they said. and closing the polling place at a time when sharecroppers couldn't make it on time, because of the long hours they had to work. and like the current version, the old jim crow laws even caught up some white people who might vote the wrong, meaning liberal, way, too. in georgia, black voters who lack state i.d. are already being disproportionately excluded. and using violent mobs to overturn elections that black people won or participated in. sound familiar, maga fans?

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despite the fact that covid restrictions are being eased across the country, many in the gop are still waging a crusade against masks and vaccinations. it's not just tucker carlson appropriating the victimhood of african-americans. marjorie taylor greene talked about what jewish people faced in the holocaust. >> they were put on trains and

taken to gas chambers in nazi germany. >> that was equally absurd and offensive. when a lady in tennessee started selling star of david patches against vaccination. it's not jim crow, and it's not a pogrom like the nazis unleashed on jews. but the republicans prefer to stoke the fire, rather than put it out. and that's why this candidate literally burned a mask on a video yesterday. joining me now, kurt bardella. i need for you to explain to me

why republicans have vse, victim status envy. why do they want so badly to redirect historic, especially racially-based wrongs, and make them the star of the show and be classed as victims? >> it's a mania, joy. because there's such a cognitive dissonance here. on one hand, the right likes to pride themselves on quote-unquote owning the libs, and calling everyone snowflakes. but they're claiming to be victims, they're delicate, they're weak. we're supposed to feel pity for them. how horrible that they're being infringed upon and attacked in the radicals and all the things they litter out there every sing day. but obviously none of that is rooted in reality and none of that is true. but it's the only thing they can do. it's the only fallback that they

have. they know when the playing field is level, they can't win. they know that in a conversation about actual public policy, about the things that truly impact people's day-to-day lives, they can't win. in a conversation rooted in fact, reality, truth, historical accuracy and context, they can't win. so they put this b.s. out there, and they're hoping beyond hope that anybody who aligns with them won't have the intellectual curiosity or ability to do a simple google check and fact-check them on their nonsense. >> the least macho thing in the world is self-pity. you've talked about anti-asian violence, how it's impacted you. i'm a black person, so, hello, 1619 and on it's been rough. but the whining, you don't see

that from people of color. they're like, they're making me wear a mask, i want to cough on you in costco. is this a measles blanket thing from the puritans? why do they seem to want to spread covid? >> i go back to, it's this mania. there has got to be a mental health explanation for the irrational desire not to wear a mask, go to superspreader events, infect their loved ones, parents, grandparents, watch them die. and claim proudly it's their right to do that. that it's somehow wrapped in this misguided sense of liberty and freedom. those are the buzzwords, liberty, freedom.

>> right. >> and republicans have been using those words and the blanket of patriotism, and so this is the game that they continually play. and this wannabe macho party, the strong man act they pull, these people are the most mentally fragile, weak, scared little children in a corner, hiding people that you will find. when push comes to shove, and they get caught and pulled before court, they're crying to the lawyers, oh, i had fox psychosis. i can't believe this happened. they fold immediately like a house of cards when they get called on their b.s. >> speaking of whiny, probably

the most whiny person out there is donald trump. his blog only lasted about as long as michael flynn was his national security adviser. on the last day, it only got about 1,500 shares. talk about the demise of the blog. >> it's not just a blog. it's a major multimedia platform that will change the political conversation, it will lead a revolution, joy. this thing, it's like four scaramuccis, it lasted. this is a success. we live in a world where up is down, down is up. donald trump is not a loser. he didn't fail. he had the most successful -- it was so successful, he had to shut it down. the servers couldn't handle it, he had to close it up for

everyone's own good. >> and ronna romney mcdaniel, she's upset because they done like in advance the way the debates will work. they want to pick the moderators, and they want them to be from oan. what is going on here? >> joy, you and i both know, if you set up a debate with two people and it's fair, and equal, that's just unsportsmanlike if you're a republican. we can't let that happen. of course they're going to try to shut that down. that's ridiculous. we can't have two people have a conversation steered by policy and actual questions. they're scared to death of going outside their little fox bunker into the real world, with real questions. >> yeah. >> this is just par for the course. >> that's why they just want to rig elections instead. thank you, kurt. up next, america is slowly recovering from the pandemic, but it's an uneven recovery. what is being done to help out

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♪ sometimes you wanna go ♪ ♪ where everybody knows your name ♪ ♪♪ ♪ and they're always glad you came ♪ welcome back, america. it sure is good to see you. for weeks now republican governors across the country and only republican governors have been racing one another to kick millions of americans off of extended unemployment assistance on the american rescue plan, complaining the aid is a deterrent to work. >> human nature kicks in.

do i want to get the same amount of money by going to work and working hard or get the amount of money by sitting at home. we want to avoid the inclination of human nature. >> we can't continue to pay people to stay home. >> unemployment is a safety net and it should be there for the people when they hit a rough patch but it shouldn't be a career choice. >> maryland republican governor larry hogan saying he will end benefits next starting next month. 25 states led by republican governors plan to end federal pandemic aid programs early. the pandemic laid bare a host of economic disparities in america and now there is a new push in congress to tackle a critical issue, poverty. the third reconstruction is aimed at addressing the needs of poor and low income americans including an update to the way that poverty is measured and what a living wage should be and also aims to create a federal

jobs programs that prioritizes low income americans. please explain what it is that you are trying to do, and do you think it is something that can actually pass, not so much the house but the senate and become law? >> well, whether anything can pass the senate is anybody's guess at this point. one of these bills, whether it is gun safety or hr1 and voting rights or the john lewis act. there will be construction legislation. one of them will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. we will have to get through the filibuster. so, look, america is coming back because joe biden and kamala harris are leading us and making a real investment in the american people. but we have to rectify serious

inequalities and injustices that have grown up during the trump period, and before that, the way forward for america is always been reconstruction. you know, i was thinking about revolution. the american revolution brought us back to where we were in terms of slavery and social relations. it did give us a great new constitution. but reconstruction is the american way forward after the civil war, again in the 1930s and 1960s where we have the second reconstruction with the civil rights movement and it is time for a new reconstruction in america so we can uplift more than a hundred million people living in poverty for many years now. >> yeah. if we can stop doing the redemption part that comes afterwards. bishop, there is a study the "new york times" talked about finding the stimulus checks, the first thing the biden administration was able to get through, a new analysis of the census bureau argues the two

latest rounds of aids improved americans ability to buy food, reduced anxiety and depression with the largest benefits going to those poorest households and those with children. so, that happened. what do we need to do next to make it sustainable? >> the bottom line with the resolution is that the congress persons are finally taking up the agenda of the movement. we must have the resolve. there is not a scarity of money or a scarcity of idea. the scarcity is political consciousness and social will. we need to change how we measure poverty and a living wage of at least 15. we need an infrastructure that targets those communities, health care for all. we need full and protected and

expanded voting rights. we need them made permanent. we need the tax code, child tax credit. these have to it be a part of the full reconstruction. can't be a piece here and there. we have 140 million people living in poverty before covid. 8 million more after covid. billionaires made $2 trillion. poor folk got sick the most, died the most and have gotten the least out of the recovery. can it pass? no. not without a massive movement and voting rights. we will be in 47 states, june 21st we are launching a mass assembly of poor people and workers and we are calling for 365 days of mobilizing towards june 2022 for a poor people assembly low wage workers march on washington.

we are not going back on this. we are talking about 43% of the american public and 30% of the american electorate that are poor and low wealth. >> you know, the republican party won't even investigate the insurrection. i don't know how you do anything with them still there. they are not going to move on voting rights. they just aren't. >> well, the republican party is a minority party. it is a shrinking party. they understand that. so, their recipe for survival is voter suppression. and disenfranchisement for as many people outside of the republican party. we so more than 360 bills to end

early voting and weekend voting in georgia to make it a felony crime punishable by a year in jail for passing someone a bottle of water that is waiting to vote. that is the republican strategy. you know, in democracy in america, he noticed in america democracy is growing and expanding or it is shrinking away. now we have one party that is all about the strategic reduction of participation and voting. and i hope that another party driven by the great movement to expand democracy and make it work for the people. in the democracy, the government has to be the instrument for the common man and woman. >> what would you say if you could get sinema and joe manchin to listen to you about the filibuster. >> why would they be stuck on a practice not constitutional and has been against every piece of civil rights legislation against women and labor.

i want to make them do this. the reason they are fighting is because they are losing. voter suppression, it is not just a black issue. nor is it just jim crow. it is james crow esquire, they want to shut down young people, women. if they want to shut us down, we must refuse to be shut down because we must have the power to send them home. we need a movement and resolution. >> the reason people may not be going back to work, they may not be child care. i want a quick detour. we have something called the moment of joy. it involved one of the two of you and also involves tulsa where there has been so much pain and also this moment of joy. take a look.

♪ ♪ i'm going to keep on walking and talking walking out to freedom way ♪ >> amazing. thank you congressman and bishop william barber. thank you very much. that is tonight's reidout. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all-in. >> it is excite to see arizona leading the way. i think it is the first domino that is going to fall. >> the arizona contagion spreads. >> a delegation from pennsylvania coming to arizona to meet with our legislature and hopefully we will see action in pennsylvania. >> arizona senator shrugs her shoulders. >> i have long been a supporter of the filibuster because it