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live right here before he heads back to the white house for the second meeting with republicans in 48 hours on infrastructure. but it's a single democrat who may make the most difference in whether the president gets it done or not and it looks like not. we are live with that guy, garrett haake in virginia with this interview the kingmaker pumping the brakes and a timely guest joining us live later in the show, the guy in charge of the nation's infrastructure transportation secretary to talk about that and more. good morning. i'm hallie jackson with the nbc news team. mike memoli outside the white house. garrett haake in west virginia and ron insana. this was really anticipated. you are looking at 559,000 jobs added below where the expectations were, right? something like 670,000. the unemployment rate fell.

people are making more an hour from frill to may and overall what we have seen in the trend of the past year. unemployment is still high for people of color. more than 9% for black workers. and it comes to who's hiring leisure and hospitality doing good business and education. that's a backdrop to the remarks to hear from president biden in if he is on time in 15 minutes from now. >> reporter: a big if you remember well. you remember how much the white house was put on the defensive by the weaker than expected jobs report. this report short of expectations but much more in line with the broader trend and what the white house is choosing to focus on here. in fact we just got a tweet from the president saying he added 559,000 jobs in may. created 2 million in the first 4

months. america is on the move again. that's the message from the president arguing as white house officials have that we have now seen the strongest job growth first four months of an administration than any time in the history which they of course attribute to the work they have done. the american rescue plan, the covid relief bill and shots in arms and checks in wallets as they put. we can expect to hear from republicans that the falling short of expectations is sign that this white house needs to tread carefully. the economy risks overheating but you know the president is sort of a man in the middle here. you might be able to hear me leading progressive organization with a protest outside the white house. their fear is that the president is giving too much in to the republicans here. i want to also highlight a pandemic focus here that we might also expect to hear from the president and that's that yes this jobs report covers may and the period of the data

collected is before that big may 14th annoyancement about the new mask guidance. there's a psychic boost, the fact that americans and the economy is reopening in a big way now sets us on a strongest growth in the months ahead. >> ron, can you explain some of these numbers and what it means for the job market, the economy overall? >> sure. look. it is interesting that republicans might balk at the numbers shy of expectations and warn that the economy is overheating. this summer to a certain extent is a goldilocks number. it is on pace. if we grew at this number for 14 mpts we would be back at full employment. no one wants to see it take that long but when you think about september, when schools reopen fully and kids go back to classrooms the 2 million women that left the workforce may come rushing back in because they don't have to stay home as we we

have noted. you look at september when the pandemic benefits start to run out. there's incentives to return to work. there are wrinkles in the data of late. some individuals made far too little money working in a restaurant business. they make $2.13 in salary and tips pushed them to $7.25. the current federal minimum wage and some people reluctant to go back because of the virus and others benefit from slightly larger checks to stay home for the time being. i think september is the real month and maybe october when we see the economy start to rip. we are growing very fast. labor market has some other anomalous problems to deal with over time. >> can you also putt into perspective before i turn to garrett in west virginia, some of the republican arguments, you

talked about how they may go after president biden own the numbers out. on this infrastructure bill, can you explain kind of an economic points, the argument i should say that some in the gop are making? the idea that they don't want to, for example, have any impact on inflation if they take the measures relates to more taxes, more spending. >> if they worry about something it might be the 2022 budget which is $6 trillion and a lot of nonpay fors in there. infrastructure by the nature reduces inflation increasing both the productivity and the efficiency of the economy and ignored this for decades. whether it is roads and bridges and tunnel es and if you live in the northeast that's true. if it's universal broadband that's internet access to people who have not gotten it.

improving the electrical grid is also something that is coming whether the government wants to play or not. in my mind there is no argument against infrastructure spending. funded or unfunded. might be arguments down the road about other spending priorities to ingender inflation. this is not one of them. >> garrett, west virginia's two senators manchin and capito. capito talking with president biden today related to infrastructure and senator manchin who is i guess you could say the news out of him is that he is not changing his mind staying where he is. >> reporter: yeah. that's right. i think the headline from manchin specifically on infrastructure was that the president better keep talking to his colleague shelly moore capito because he is not interested on an infrastructure

package on only democrat votes, not now and perhaps not ever and he said it needs to be done on a bipartisan basis. the sub headline is progressives including those protesting the president. you push me to be someone i'm not. to back away from the filibuster and support the voting rights package. manchin said he is not going to change. here's what he told me. >> i represent the state of west virginia. that's who hired me. i represent them the best possible fashion i can. and i am not -- not going to get in a situation where i'm placating to different people that want different things why it is my state and the people. i'm not changing. so for them to expect me to be different than i'm not, it's not who i am. >> reporter: now, you hear it there. manchin's stance on the filibuster, the voting rights package makes progressives want

to yank his hair out. he said he represents west virginia and should be done on a bipartisan basis. where he finds the ten votes for those that aren't infrastructure is a different discussion but as it relats to infrastructure hiss message through to us to the president is keep the conversation going. >> thanks to all three of you. we'll keep the conversation going later in the show. but for now turning to breaking news on capitol hill. it's taken two years but house democrats are questioning don mcgahn because right now he's arrived on the hill. see him there in the green tie. testifying behind closed doors in front of the house judiciary committee. democrats trying to get that testimony as part of the investigations into former prump. looking into whether he tried to obstruct justice in the russia

investigation. now that the house democrats are getting his testimony what are they going to do with it? >> reporter: that is a good question. they are -- will have a lot of questions for him. let's take a step back and for years, two years don mcgahn defied subpoenas from the judiciary committee to come testify about the trump administration. don mcgahn was a former president's closest advisers until 2018 so he knows a lot. his name was mentioned hundreds of times in the mueller investigation. don mcgahn is also someone who the president had told to fire robert mueller but who did -- but mcgahn pushed back against that instance so what the house judiciary committee wants to know is what exactly don mcgahn's role was, what he knew,

what the president told him. did the president obstruct justice? and what sort of other things that -- they have so many questions about the mueller investigation including what was happening with ag barr and the decision in that instance about not saying that the former president did not collude with the russians so this is a long awaited testimony from don mcgahn. when are we going to hear the transcripts or what happened from that? they say it could take up to seven days for the transcripts to be released to the various parties but we are going to be asking what happened behind the scenes of course and will let you know if anything comes of it. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. staying on top of what's unfolding in delaware. president biden talks jobs and the economy ahead of that important infrastructure meeting. but first, this transportation secretary pete buttigieg will join us live. are republicans holding all the

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remember back on january 6? former vice president pence sprinting to safety. no call from the then president to check on him in an attack where rioters chanted hang mike pence and forced him and the family by the way to evacuate the senate chamber. now for one of the first time we hear publicly from pence acknowledging that day saying it was a low point for the country and what else he said is news. listen. >> january 6 was a dark day in the history of the united states capitol. president trump and i have spoken many times since we left office. and i don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that day. but i will always be proud of what we accomplished for the

american people over the last four years. >> here's something else he and donald trump may not see eye to eye on. who should be the gop nominee in 2024. it is believed that mike pence wants that to be him but donald trump with the party's base still firmly in the grip is teasing a run with the speech tomorrow in north carolina and a summer of rallies to follow. with me now is kelly o'donnell and former congresswoman barbara comstock. kelly, let me start with you because it is an insight into the pence strategy here moving forward what we heard overnight. one hand acknowledging what sort of has to be acknowledged. right? what went down january 6 and then saying that he went on to say i will not allow democrats or allies in the media to use a tragic day to destroy the aspirations of millions of americans so making a turn to

attacking the media, kelly. in essence politicizing the aftermath of january 6 seems to be the way he wants to thread the needle move forward. trying to embrace donald trump. >> reporter: absolutely. those of us you and i and colleagues fluent in pence speak is notable that the former vice president distanced himself from donald trump. but what is also notable is that he did it in the glossiest way perhaps possible. to say never see eye to eye is a big chasm coming to pence and trump relations but what he is really doing is making an appeal to those voters that supported them in the trumpbl administration and as candidates before that and will come out of this one way or another. donald trump will assert himself as a candidate or won't but

those voters remain and pence is trying to find a way to relate to them at the same time donald trump has been beating him up publicly in his public statements again and again. saying he wished that the former vice president acted differently january 6 with respect to the certification. pence also stood for his constitutional duty and made clear that he feels good about that. but it sort of putting january 6 in a box, disagreement with donald trump, the events and saying he did the duty and he is about the trump/pence years and accomplishments. please don't look at what happened on january 6. it is more crocheted than threading the needle with twists and turning there and will it be successful? hard to know. certainly mike pence wants to bond again with the voters that had once supported him but many of them have listened to and believer donald trump in his

distancing publicly between himself and pence over january 6. it will be a fascinating thing to watch as the republican party begins to try to form late the list of front-runners or holding and freezing the field as donald trump may want to do. >> kelly, thank you very much for that. congresswoman comstock, i cannot overstate how angry people in pence world were about not just what happened on the 6th but the response of then president trump. and yet that is six months later here largely buried. pence criticized the biden administration, calling it the radical left. do you see that attack taking a backseat to politics right now in the gop? >> well, listen. i appreciate that he acknowledges unlike donald trump it was a dark day. he thanked the capitol police

because donald trump never called the family of brian sicknick after he passed and he was a republican. so i think all of this shows why we do need to have a january 6 commission or an investigation. i think we will have it. all of the things that we all heard and you heard right after january 6 about how angry people are, those are documented in texts and records. the day of january 6 itself, people were texting the white house, mark meadows, people around the president saying why isn't he doing anything? he needs to do something. there's also those documents at the white house that show the planning. mike pence was in a different place and then my pillow guys and those of the trump constitutional scholars saying to do something that was quite

ridiculous and absurd but the real problem here is what donald trump is doing and done just this week saying -- telling people he is going to be back in the white house by august. notably he didn't say that mike pence will be with him. but this is dangerous -- >> also -- he's also not going to be back in the white house in august. just to interrupt for that reality check. >> but saying those things when you still have this insurrectionist mob out there, up judges saying they won't release some of these people now because of the things the president is saying because the very same people are susceptible to make january 6 happen again and that is a real threat when threats to members of congress up 107%, when we know that the very capitol police who are coming forward and talking about honestly what happened to them that day and how close mike pence and others came to really

being in danger, they are now getting death threats. this is off the charts dangerous now and donald trump isn't just a joke anymore. he is a threat, a national security threat to the country. and i think mike pence and other republicans need to acknowledge it but i think if we got a lot of those records that are out there in the hands of many of these former trump white house officials, documents they probably took home to them, send subpoenas to the houses to get that information and find out that many of the trump administration people themselves thought that donald trump was a danger and still is. >> the former president is also not givering um the microphone or the spotlight any time soon and will be as part of a fund-raiser it appears in dallas later in july. linked to c-pac that same

weekend there in texas. up george p. bush son of jeb running. they have a strong legacy in texas. didn't mention his father or anything like that and it showed him courting donald trump. do you see him choosing the trump brand over his family? >> i think it's a sad commentary and the problem is maybe in texas something look that might work and i don't think that's the future either. donald trump nationally taking 47% and divide it by any number doesn't get to 50. i think somebody like my former colleague will heard who's chosen not to debase himself for trump and active in the cyber security world and dealing with racial issues and really looking at serious policy prescriptions for the country i think is much more the future both for texas

as well as for the country than these kind of -- whoever it is who's going to debase themselves to donald trump who even his own people now saying that he is -- the bottom of the bottom of the crazies. donald trump is now -- you have the guy who trump called sloppy steve is telling people you got to come on his show to be a nominee. tragically that's one of the shows that elise stefanik went on to get the leadership position. this is not the future. this is a short term mistake because again 47% and you subtract anything from that is not getting a majority. donald trump divided the country. he is now dividing the path. it is a grift and grievance tour. that is what he is up to. >> former congresswoman come

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new this morning the fbi director comparing the threat of cyber attacks to the challenges posed by 9/11. in an interview with "the wall street journal" describing investigations into about 100 different types of ransomware as the u.s. steps up the response to cyber attacks and nbc news learned the next move might involve the military. sources telling the team about three big new steps in a changing posture about the attacks that crippled food supplies, fuel supplies, threatened the transportation systems. the administration is now moving to treat the threats as a national security threat and using intel agencies to spy on foreign criminals and administration officials quote contemplating offensive cyber

operations against hackers inside russia. all according to u.s. officials and sources familiar with the matter. kourtney cube has more on what it means. lay out for us where the military might fit into the picture in the response to the attacks because typically we would not think about the military against purely criminal enterprises. >> reporter: exactly. it's not without press dentd that the u.s. military used against something that's nonstate. you know? not another nation. but what's different here is how this is handled in the past. this is a case where a group takes control of a company on controls systems and has a ransom for them to regain control. those are handled by the fbi. especially these cases of these overseas ransomware attacks like recently with colonial pipeline and jbs by the russian criminal

networks. generally handled by the fbi but in the past there's very rarely any kind of adjudication or anyone held liable for them because the u.s. just doesn't have jurisdiction to go after the groups that are harbored in russia. they have safe haven in russia. so that's where things are starting to change. our colleague is told that now the administration is considering using the u.s. military, u.s. cyber command for a potential offensive action in the cases. that would mean cyber com has the ability to track, to detect, to find out about these hacks both before and during and after they occur but usually they provide that information to other parts of the government like department of homeland security or fbi or provide it to foreign allies and they kind of work it for action. now what is under consideration is the possibility of using

cyber command for 0 an offense ive action to go after the networks. ken was told the nsa since 2019 spying on the criminal groups and trying to gain information about them that they can use for potential future actions, potential offensive actions. this is the scope. how the magnitude of these hacks. jbs, colonial pipeline, after fuel supply with a real impact on the fuel here in the east coast. the jbs hack, the potential for going after food supply hire in the united states. the biden administration is taking the hacks seriously and considering these -- giving cyber command new authorities to go after them in the future. >> it's fascinating reporting. courtney, something we will be staying on top of. thank you for that. i want to bring in transportation secretary pete

buttigieg. secretary buttigieg, good morning to you. thank you for being back on the show. >> good morning. good to be with you again. >> lots of topics this morning. let's start with what we just offer related to the cyber attacks against the united states. what should the red line be for the u.s. to retaliate and perhaps launch a cyber counter offensive? >> i'll let others speak to military capabilities and doctrine. we have had cyber command managing the defense capabilities and department of homeland security doing a lot of work in partnership with law enforcement to make sure that our infrastructure is secure. of course, there is the piece that the department of transportation has which is traditionally to make sure that the infrastructure is safe. now it's increasingly clear that includes not just the physical means of safety but resilient

infrastructure in the face of mounting cyber threats. i think you will see us raise the bar in terms of expectations working with state and local partners, private sector partners to make sure that we have harder targets because having a crack in your cyber security can be just as damaging to the country as a physical crack in a piece of steel like what i saw in memphis yesterday at a bridge. >> you talked about having potentially harder targets and the idea of resiliency. as it relates to infrastructure, at this point private what ens and i know the executive order discusses this but other companies aren't required to tell you when something happened. does that need to change? will it? do you think that's a critical step to be useful looking to as you say harden up the infrastructure? >> yeah. it is clear by now we don't have the tools that are going to be

needed as the years go forward and these threats grow in the number and complexity. it is not just in terms of being able to get information but also when you think about things like disaster declarations and responding to emergencies. a lot of the law written when nobody was thinking about the concept of cyber attacks. they're about nampl disasters and national attacks. so i think it's very important for congress and the administration to work together to find ways the shore up information sharing, security and as your question points out, a lot of the critical infrastructure in this country is in private hands or local government units and sometimes quite small without that much capacity but every organization needs to think about cyber. this is not something you tuck away in the i.t. department.

>> quickly, would you then support a requirement that mandates companies tell feds when something like this has happened? >> as you know in certain case us the president's executive order has already been able to improve our ability to get information but we are going to need to work with congress to get the other kinds of capabilities that we need. it's a major policy challenge ahead. >> i wonder, do you consider attacks significant against let's say critical resources, food, fuel, the transportation system, do you consider those acts of war? >> every case is different and decision like that and a determination like that is something that comes from the white house, not the department of transportation, but what i'll say is that there's a lot to do with safety and security at stake in the cyber strength and the colonial pipeline is an example that reveals how much we have on the line and we have a lot of work to do as a country.

>> i want to turn infrastructure before we go live to president biden who will be making remarks in delaware but very quickly have you been in touch with the transportation systems that made news this week, the mta or ferry system in massachusetts? >> so the department's in regular contact with all transit agencies and making sure they get the support they need and it is again yet another example of the concerns that are out there. it is a good thing that these agencies are not necessarily owned and operated by the federal government but we have been to do everything we can as an agency to help them. >> we have been reporting on this this morning. a colleague interviewed joe manchin on the infrastructure discussions. you are looking at june 7th or real movement from republicans and there is an implication that otherwise democrats will go it alone. oh, i got to thank you here as we see president biden speaking on the economy.

thanks. >> and for the american people. this morning we learned that in may our economy created 559,000 new jobs. unemployment rate fell to 5.8%. and wages went up for american workers. that means we have now created over 2 million jobs in total since i took office. more jobs than ever been created in the first four months of any presidency in modern history. triple the rate of my predecessor. unemployment rate is now below 6% for the first time since the pandemic hit. first 14 months, first time in 14 months we saw the largest decline in the number of long term unemployed in more than an entire decade, last ten year just lock term unemployment dropped by the second largest amount ever recorded and the signs of progress are already here. this report is based on a

weekly -- week in early may and how they determined the job growth or loss. we have growth. and that was -- and that week in may we only have 35% of working aged adults fully vaccinated. now we are still all -- they were all still wearing masks. since then 21 million more adulting have been vaccinated making it easy to return to work safely. this is progress. historic progress. progress that's pulling the economy out of the worst crisis it's been in 100 years. and it's testament to the strategy growing the economy, not only growing it but from the bottom up and middle out. our economy was in a tail spin. job growth stalled. covid was raging. initial unemployment insurance claims over 330,000 per week and

now below 430,000. about half of what they were when i took off. before i took office almost almost 24 million americans going hungry. remember the long lines of cars miles long? people waiting for a box of food to be put in the trunk. that number is already dropped by 25%. still too many. but clear progress. before i took office, independent experts were projecting that the american economy would grow by 3% or 4% in 2021, this year. this week, the organization of economic cooperation and development, so-called e -- oecd, has been one of the leading bodies analyzing economic growth worldwide increased the projection for u.s. economic growth this year to 6.9% in 2021.

fastest pace in nearly four decades. the u.s. is the only major economy where projections of future growth are stronger today than before the pandemic hit in 2020. and in may, manufacturing activity was nearly as strong as it was in more than 15 years. stronger than 15 years. no other major economy in the world is growing as fast as ours. no other major economy is gaining jobs as quickly as ours is none of the success is an accident. it isn't luck. it's due in no small part to the cooperation of the american people in responding to my effort to get covid under control, wearing mask initially and getting vaccinated and the bold action we took by passing the american rescue plan with resources to get shots in people's arms. underwrite the vaccination

earth. enough vaccine supply for every single american. for vaccinators, people to put shots in the arms and now 52% of american adults are fully vaccinated. 75% of our seniors are fully vaccinated and the american rescue plan delivered benefits directly to the american people. because of that law more than 167 million of those rescue payments of up to $1 rs 400 have gone out to individual families. a recent study the census bureau data found just how much the checks mattered. they drastly reduced depression, anxiety and hardship for families. more than 40% fewer families struggled to afford food, rent, utilities, car payments, student loans and health care expenses.

small businesses and restaurants were getting killed. now we are delivering loans and support they need. schools are struggling to reopen. so we made vaccinating teachers a priority. we delivered schools the much support they needed. state and local governments had to lay off tens of thousands of educators and first responders. many are now back on the job. in may state and local governments added 103,000 education jobs. returned them to work. these funds are continuing to get out this month to support state and local governments which will help get more people back to work. small and medium-sized businesses are now able to take advantage of a special tax credit called the employee retention tax credit. it provides businesses a generous tax credit to retain or hire more workers. through the restaurant

revitalization fund we anticipate being able to help over 100,000 hard hit restaurants stay open or reopen. beginning next month most families with children will be getting a tax cut with will be going into the accounts every month. we know that access to child care is one of the biggest barriers of parents going back to work. the administration is delivering $39 billion in child care relief to help child care providers get back on the feet. and serve more families and we added nearly 20,000 more child care jobs that with respect there last month allowing parents to have access to get help. and temporary boost in unemployment benefits that ended -- enacted i should say helped people. and who still may be in the process of getting vaccinated

but it is going to expire in 90 days. that makes sense. look. covid cases are down. covid deaths are up. unemployment filings are down. hunger is down. and vaccinations are up. jobs are up. wages are up. manufacturing is up. growth is up. people gaining health care coverage is up. small business confidence is up. america is finally on the move again. as we continue this recovery, we are going to hit bumps along the way. we can't reboot the world's largest economy like flipping on a light switch. there's ups and downs and a supply chain issues and price pressures on the way back to stability and steady growth. my administration will take steps to address the constraints building on the work done on the

computer chips, providing more chips to be manufactured here in the united states so it doesn't slow up the manufacturing at automobiles, for example. everyone needs to get the shots though. now's the time to accelerate the process we have been making. now's the time to build on the foundation we have laid. because while the progress is undeniable it is not asured. that's why i propose the american jobs plan and the american family plan. for generational investments. we need today to make the investments today to be able to continue to succeed tomorrow. we have a chance to seize on the economic momentum of the first months of my administration, not just to build back but to bilgd back better. this much is already clear. we're on the right track. our plan is working. we're not going to let up now. we'll continue to move on. i'm extremely optimistic. i hope you are, as well.

and may god bless you. may god bless america. may god protect our troops. thank you all for being here this morning. >> on the infrastructure talks -- >> i'm going to be having a talk this afternoon. >> are you expecting a -- >> i'll tell you after i meet this afternoon. >> so, that was president biden making remarks about this morning's jobs numbers. you heard him sound the optimistic note there and he was asked about the infrastructure meeting later on today with west virginia senator capito asked if he was expecting a counter offer. i think i see mike memoli outside the white house and trying to get back up secretary buttigieg. if we do, mike, i'll apologize for interrupting you but your thoughts on what we just heard? >> reporter: i'll dever to the cabinet secretary if needed. what's interesting is you see a

president as the campaign did not engaging in the game we often play, economists in terms of expectations. did it hit them? fall short? talking about the much longer view here and trying to make the argument that the new strategy with an economic approach growing the economy from the bottom up and middle out is described as what's working and nood more of. this is a president linking the issues of the pandemic and the economy as well saying because of the success of the mrks in beating back the virus, getting vaccinations out that they're able to talk about an economy recovering. i talked about at the top of the hour the idea there's a potential for future growth because of what we have seen here and relevant what we heard in terms of the u.s. standing out from other economic nations and powers and meeting with next week. he is going to be heading overseas. >> thank you. i want to bring back in

transportation secretary pete buttigieg. thank you so much. i'm sorry for the sort of abrupt disruption. thank you for rejoining us. >> thanks for having me back. i'm glad i was able to be with you it reminds me why i love working for this president. he is so focused on what's actually working for the american people. looked america in the eye, talked about why the plan is working, vaccines up, cases down, unemployment down, business confidence up. acknowledging we have a long way to go and work ahead, which is why things like the american jobs plan matter so much. >> one of the things -- i don't know if you caught it at the end -- reporters shouted out questions about the infrastructure discussions that he is having today with the west virginia senator. i want to talk about that. this is within your purview. when you look at where the movement is right now, there does not seem to be too much of

it. you have progressives in the words of politico, losing their minds over president biden waiting to get some kind of a deal with republicans. on the other side, you have senator joe manchin making very clear with nbc news this morning, he is not down to go it alone. he wants republican support. if this june 7th deadline, if you will, comes and goes and republicans aren't where democrats want them to be, explain where the math is. how do democrats go it alone if joe manchin is not on board and not willing to do it without republicans? >> look, it's not just up with senator who wants a bipartisan approach. so does the president. i think we all do. we're going to do what we can to get there. some movement, which we have seen, is better than no movement. there's also a ways to go. like everybody else, i will be here to see the results of the president's conversation with senator capito. we are seeing movement in the house where the transportation committee will take up its bill on wednesday. we will continue to see these

conversations. conversations can't go on forever. i think there's a lot of impatience. it's not just a press thing or insider thing. there's public impatience to get something done. everywhere i go, i see infrastructure that are in need of repair or improvement. i see communities that can't wait for what they might be able to do if we brought together the resources for them to move forward. we continue to be hopeful about where these talks can get us. the sense of urgency is mounting on our part as well. you are going to see that shape our decisions and approaches in the weeks ahead. >> you said that you are willing -- the administration is willing to do what we can to gel there. i wonder if that means giving -- since you talk about wanting a bipartisan deal, giving republicans more time than next week to try to get closer to the proposal that you are putting on the table. at what point does the patience run out, secretary buttigieg? >> there's got to be forward motion of the ball. we can't just be sitting still.

we can't be talking past each other. i think -- >> if there is -- i'm sorry to interrupt. would you be willing to stretch the talks into july if you feel like you are perceiving forward movement of the ball? >> look, we clearly have to deliver this summer. i think that's understood. not just as a washington thing but among the american people. it takes a while, of course, to move a fully negotiated bill through congress as a matter of procedure. there's more movement next week as the house takes up its version of the bill, which is an port piece of legislation that touches our jobs plan. we can't allow this to drag on forever. we can't allow inaction to be the result. the president has been very clear. he doesn't have a lot of red lines. he is willing to at least hear out different ideas. one red line is that inaction is unacceptable. >> you have talked at length about the importance of some of the things that are in this

proposal and this infrastructure plan. i have to ask you, is there any planet on any universe in which the administration would perhaps drop some of the non-traditional infrastructure related items as republicans have been asking for and do that deal for now and perhaps try to address the other stuff down the road? >> look, there are some things easier to come to agreement on than others. that's one of the reasons why you saw movement to the tune of half a trillion dollars in the counteroffer the president put forward earlier. a lot of that is by saying, let's at least agree that we can move on these things. let's be very clear. there is a great american tradition of expanding our visions around infrastructure. trains weren't traditional until we built them. same for the interstate american system. the president believes getting lead out of the pipes that carry

water to our children is imperative. if you lock at our competitors, look at investments china is making, they are not wringing their hands over philosophical disputes on categories of spending. they are doing what it takes. the president is determined that america does what it takes. >> transportation secretary pete buttigieg, you have been generous with your time this morning, covering a lot of ground. thank you very much. we hope to have you back. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me. turning to a big reversal from facebook. have you heard about this new overnight? no more special treatment for politicians who break the rules. that means those posts by politicians will not stay up on facebook just by default, like this been the case before. it's an aboutface in response to recent recommendations from its oversight board on how facebook handled the suspension of former

president donald trump. listen, kind of a big change by facebook. what does it mean for people in the political sphere? >> reporter: it means a lot, potentially. this is a big policy change. it was first reported in "the verge." i confirmed with a source inside facebook. facebook plans to amend its arbitrary policy that really allows politicians to break the. it was using this newsworthiness indicator that it came up with as a result of president trump's 2016 comments about muslims. it has used this as a sort of way to let people say and let politicians say whatever they want. facebook has rules. supposedly, people aren't allowed to break them. if you are a politician, facebook put your post on this invisible scale. it says, on one hand, what's the harm? on the other hand, what's the newsworthiness? now they will not do away with

that, but it's not de facto. when they do employ this newsworthiness indicator, they will be more transparent. >> thank you for that. great reporting. appreciate you being with us. matt gaetz facing new scrutiny today. the florida representation under investigation for potential obstruction of justice. in an interview overnight, gaetz is talking about this. he is denying repeatedly these new claims. >> i spent my career pursuing justice. i don't obstruct justice. the only thing i have obstructed is the injustice often at the hands of the department of justice. i know every conversation i have been a part of. i have never obstructed justice. i have never gotten close to it. >> gaetz has not been charged

with any crimes. i want to bring in msnbc legal analyst paul butler. break this down. of what prosecutors are looking at here and what you make of what gaetz had to say about it. >> what was said on this call between the ex-girlfriend and gaetz has not been reported. if there was any effort to try to get their story straight or try to influence the testimony of the 17-year-old victim and the sex trafficking investigation, then gaetz and the other two women on this phone call will be guilty of obstruction. it's a federal crime to suggest that a witness in a criminal case lie or give misleading testimony. hallie, we know both women on the call reportedly were friends with the 17-year-old girl who is the victim in this sex trafficking allegation that prosecutors are investigating gaetz for. they went to the bahamas together, which may expose gaetz

and others to federal crimes. >> gaetz's friend, you have this guy joel greenberg, for viewers who don't remember, this former tax collector, somebody who is considered close with the congressman. he has pled guilty to sex crimes. he agreed to cooperate fully with investigators. how do you see his role here? >> if the allegations about these wild parties are true, that means there are a lot of witnesses, including greenberg. he has mad baggage. he would have to be supported by other kinds of witnesses. i think that prosecutors are likely to threaten all of these witnesses with criminal prosecution because of their own culpability and because they might be open to a deal like gaetz -- or like greenberg. they would testify against the people with the most culpability, which could include congressman gaetz. >> paul butler, always great to

have your perspective. thank you so much for being with us. thanks for watching this jam-packed friday hour of this show. find us on twitter @hallieonmsnb. we turn it over to craig melvin who picks up our coverage now. good friday morning to you. craig melvin here from msnbc headquarters in new york city. new signs that the economy is grinding into a higher gear. covid infections and rate of joblessness, lowest level since march of 2020. a few moments ago, president biden addressed what a new jobs report says for our future as we dig our way out of this pandemic. >> no other major economy in the world is growing as fast as ours. no other major economy is gaining jobs as quickly as ours. none of the success is an accident. it isn't luck. it's due in no small part to the

cooperation of the