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after a two year legal battle finally of itting in a closed door session. all this as the biden administration gets some positive economic news. jobs numbers out today showing the economy added 559,000 jobs last month doubling april's disappointing total. the unemployment rate ticking down to 5.8%. this morning the president saying the economy is at its strongest point since before the pandemic. joining me now is capitol hill correspondent leigh ann caldwell, ashley parker, michael steele and also barbara mcquaid. a lot to get to. but i first want to watch what the former vice president said last night about january 6 and donald trump. this was at a republican event in new hampshire. >> president trump and i have spoken many times since we left office.

and i don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that day. but i will always be proud of what we accomplished for the american people over the last four years. [ applause ] and i will not allow democrats or their allies in the media to use one tragic day to discredit the aspirations of millions of americans. >> michael steele, let's remember rioters chanting hang mike pence as he was whisked away by secret service. and there he is in new hampshire underplaying what happened on january 6. what is going on? >> well, it is what you expect. he doesn't want to get sideways with trump again as he did on january 6 that led to trump supporter calling for his head. i thought brian williams put it best last night when he said -- >> doesn't he always.

>> -- just a boy standing in front the voters hoping that they like him. it is perfect. that is exactly what we're looking at here. none of this is surprising anyone from the reporters who cover the story to the voters out there who are witnessing this stuff unfold in front of them. this is going exactly as we it comes to donald trump. and there is not a man among them, and i mean that literally, not a man who will stand up against this guy. and the only person who has been the woman who they then sacked her for her position on the hill. so the vice president looking at 2024 trying to hedge his opportunity here just in case trump doesn't get in doesn't want to beside ways with those voter, doesn't want to beside ways with trump. so you will hear more and more of this and it should surprise no one. >> ashley, you wrote one of the pieces about donald trump not acting the way that could have

helped on january 6. and to cnn one of the folks who was there, capitol hill police officer, had this to say about what happened, about how he sees what the republicans are saying and doing right now. take a listen. >> it was very scary. because i thought that i was going to lose my life right there. i could hear my fellow officers screaming, the agony in some of them. all i could think was we can't let these people in. there is going to be a slaughter inside. it hurts me that the country that i love, that i have sacrificed so much, don't care about us. they don't. >> they don't. ashley, i mean, you have on the one hand pence underplaying trump's role that day and other republicans saying that the

rioters were basically tourists. speaks to the ongoing power of trump with the republican base. >> and no one knows that better frankly than mike pence. mike pence could give similar testimony about what happened on that day. remember, protestors were chanting hang mike pence. we've reported that when they came up to the second floor to where the doors to the senate chamber were, they were just within about -- exactly, they were in about 60 seconds away from where mike pence was sheltered. and it is not just him. mike pence is someone who cares deeply about his family, and he is there with his wife, some other family members. you see they willing ushered out. and mike pence could give a similar account to what you just played that police officer giving but he has taken a different tact because he has calculated as he did his entire vice presidency that his only

path to political viability is to link himself to trump in the subservient way that he has done the prior four years. >> and capitol police have said how do we prevent it from happening again if we don't get to the pot of how it happened. president biden did come out against the commission saying that congress should do its job. but republicans voted against it, so where does that leave democrats and capitol police offices? >> you made a really good point. capitol police officers up here on capitol hill, the morale is horrible and the fact that the congress did not move forward with this january 6 commission last week was really devastating for a lot of these members. so what happens next? well, speaker pelosi held a conference call with her members

earlier this week and our reporting shows that she gave them four options on how to move forward. the first is to force the senate to vote on a january 6 commission again perhaps make some changes to the legislation, pass 2 back over to the senate. something that majority leader schumer has said that he is open to doing it. again, we don't expect the vote count in the senate, republicans, though, to change much. and there is a couple more options. one is the creation of a select committee. but there is a lot of concern among democrats about that because what sort of republicans are going to be appointed to a select committee. is it going to be the pro trump republicans like jim jordan or is there going to be some republicans who voted to i will peach the former president on that committee? so there is some concern about that being taken seriously. what seems to be the most likely option at this point is using the existing infrastructure of the house homeland security committee to conduct these

investigations, the reason is because the top democrat on that committee benny thompson and the top republican john katko, they are the ones that negotiated the creation of the commission. and so democrats think that they have a reliable negotiating part n ner. but no decisions a been made. nancy pelosi says that tell continue to talk about it. and at this point, it is not clear which direction that they will take. >> and in another view back into trump world, don mcgahn testifying behind closed doors to the house judiciary committee. i think that they are saying that it could be like a week before we see the transcripts but what questions would you ask him if you had the chance? >> the main thing that i would want focused on is this episode

that was relayed in the mueller report about efforts by donald trump to obstruct the investigation in to russian interference in the election. we know from that report that trump asked don mcgahn to instruct to fire robert mueller and when those reports came out in the media, he instructed don mcgahn to lie about it and falsely deny that, even creating a false memo that would rfute those reports. and so the key is corrupt intent and so i would want to probe as much as i could about those episodes to try to demonstrate to the world the need to seriously consider a criminal prosecution of donald trump. >> more than a few lawyers on that committee, so presumably that is what they are doing. the judiciary committee chair jerry nadler said that mcgahn's testimony vindicates the

congressional subpoena power. doctor was it important that democrats follow through even after all this time? >> well, i think that stall tactics that was used by the trump administration, they delayed by two years this moment of don mcgahn testifying before congress, if left unaddressed would set a precedent for put presidents. as long as you delay, fight all the subpoenas, you could effectively evade oversight by congress. and so i think that it was very important as a matter of principal to follow through on this. now, i think that it also demonstrates though why the current structure is not good enough because to allowed two years to pass and for trump to be out of office before they were able to get don mcgahn in front of them. i think it makes the case for why they need to reform some of the processes to put some teeth into this oversight to put deadline there is place for complying with subpoenas to fine people who fail to do so. to put a process in court with strict time deadlines for courts to make challenges.

and i think all of this should be the subject of proposed cong. >> and michael steele, i want to talk to you about the so-called audits. pennsylvania lawmakers now want an and you had udit of their ow. i don't even know what to say. so let's do this. what are the recounts doing to voter confidence? >> the end game is diminish voter confidence in any electoral result. remember, what you are seeing is a leadup to a run-up to 2024. it was a systemic takedown of the electoral process address the system itself in these states that where outcome determinative. in other words the difference in the 2020 election rests in arizona, pennsylvania, either et cetera. and so trump now latching on to this audit process and hyping

that up feeds that narrative that by august 31, he will be reinstated. we'll just magically ignore the constitution, everything that happened, and just put him into power. and he knows that that is not going to happen. but what he also knows is that that drumbeat just raises just enough doubt when the next election comes up and the result is a little hanky, they can say see, we told you. and so that is the end game here. >> and the president already when he put out a statement about tomorrow, he will be in -- i guess unofficial campaign mode talking to republicans in north carolina. former president trump. what are you going to be looking for when he is speaking tomorrow? >> well, i'll be looking for if the former president stays on script which we've heard his aides and advisers writing him a

speech that you would traditionally expect from not actually a former president because they normally stay out of politics in general,from someone like trump who is trying to help the republican party win in 2022. so it will be an attack on president biden, on his policies, a policy attack will trump will claim his policies are too radical. i'll be curious to see if he does that or if he goes off script and talks about the audits that we were talking aboutin arizona, in georgia, potentially pennsylvania, about how the election was stolen. if he talks about don mcgahn and mike pence. that is the key question for me. >> all right. thanks to all of you. and on the upswing, what is behind today's new jobs numbers and how the white house is framing the outlook. ook. voiceover: riders. wanderers on the road of life. the journey is why they ride. when the road is all you need, there is no destination.

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the economy much like the country slowly creeping out from the shadow of the pandemic. the u.s. adding 559,000 new job in may, a big gain bringing unemployment down below 6% for the first time in 14 months. now, that number is below expectations for the second month, although many economists are applauding the progress and the markets reacted favorably. the president this morning still touting the numbers as a sign that the white house economic agenda is working. >> unemployment filings are down. hunger is down. vaccinations are up. jobs are up. wages are up. manufacturing is up. growth is up. people gaining health care coverage is up. and small business confidence is up. america is finally on the move again. >> and joining me now, mike memoli and also stephanie rule.

so steph, we heard from president biden. how is this new jobs report impacting the white house, how they will sell their jobs plan. what is the real story for them to tell? >> and this you know is like the mothership for me, i'm in paramus. a browns game to you is like a mall in paramus for me. listen, it is tricky. this is a fantastic jobs number. when you look at industries rehiring, it is the reopening story. you are seeing it in education, in leisure, in hospitality. the company is opening, we're rehiring. and consumer spending is up. in the month of april, april consumer spending is reaching the same level it was at above 2019. foot traffic in this mall is reaching pre-pandemic levels. so the one hand they have a great story to tell. america is coming back.

however, how does that play into the biden plan to spend more, to pass the infrastructure plan. it is a tricky one. on one hand, you want to keep this positive trajectory and keep this mojo going. but on the other hand, a lot of folks are saying we've spent a lot of money, it is time to slow down, the economy is doing so well, we might not need another boost. >> and so to stephanie's point, all of these jobs numbers as the president is in active negotiations over the jobs plan. bring us to speed and how the number ofs might impact the conversation. >> and as someone who grew up one town over from where steph is now, i'm reminded of how the president often crafts his economic messaging which is not for folks like us in the media or in washington, but for the kinds of folks shopping in that mall. and he tried to -- you heard those remarks at the top.

it sounded like a version of it is the economy stupid, that the biden approach is working. and that was directed at ordinary americans but certainly at republicans. and listening to the president's remarks, i heard two specific things. he did use the word strategy. this was an argument that what i did already with the rescue plan is working and what i'm proposing with the jobs plan is appropriate. and then specifically as it regards to one of the main sticking points with republican negotiators and that is about how to pay for this, he had an interesting message which is to talk about some of the elements of the rescue plan, specifically aid to state and local governments and to argue that it is working. now, republicans have said that we want to use some of the money supposed to be spent as part of the rescue plan as part of the pay for it here. and the white house argument is that most of the money is already being spent and can't be used. and that is why you saw the president put on the table a

different collection of tax increases potentially that would take the republican red line of not touching the trump 2017 tax cut and give them an option to say these are different taxes, it is not their red line, things like the global minimum tax that he has proposed like stepped up enforcement of tax policy, but it is unclear if republicans really any tax increase is likely to be a red line. so we'll see that president have that conversation this afternoon. but it is sort of a make or break point in terms of those discussions. >> and for the positive statements that the president made, he also said, and i'll quote him here, you can't reboot the world's largest economy without bumps along the way. what did we see in our final 30 seconds in this jobs report that is positive but also what are some of the bumps that may be ahead? >> well, we may see some bumps because you know a number of states are now cutting off those expanded unemployment benefits that are set to run out in september. a lot of republican states are

saying that that is keeping people from going back to work. if they don't get that benefit, they will go back on the job. and a lot of people out there are saying no, that is not necessarily the case. so we'll see that in the months ahead. but who knows, with so many jobs out there, one could argue that extra $300 might be better spent in terms of government money elsewhere. >> stephanie ruhle who maybe is contributing to the economy while at the paramus mall today. and mike memoli who has done so in the past. >> my mother is on the way over. >> go mom. and steph has the credit card, so she can pick up the tab. thank you both. months of negotiations and the outcome could come down to this single democrat who is standing his job. while joe manchin says he won't support democrats going to alone. democrats gointog alone.

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basically we need to be bipartisan. if we can't become -- i've always said i've never seen a pothole that had a republican or democrat on it, it will bust your tire i don't care who you are. >> and the linchpin in getting

any potholes filled in among other sweeping infrastructure proposals. but in that interview with garrett hague, joe manchin says that he is not budging on any plan that would allow democrats to go to alone on major legislation including infrastructure which the president hopes to make his signature policy. garrett hague is joining us now from morgantown, west virginia. and i know that you talked to him last night. i just came from newark, new jersey where a lot of guys are digging up streets because they are replacing lead pipes. they would be very happy to move on to any other state if this infrastructure plan comes through. but what is the headline for joe manchin? >> reporter: the fact is that virginians would be happy to have them because they constantly rank near the bottom

of infrastructure across the country. and so joe manchin is not ready for a single party effort on an infrastructure bill. not ready to go through reconciliation process with just democrats. not now and possibly not ever. and manchin is thoroughly dug in on the issue of bipartisanship. he does not want to see anything major get done in the u.s. senate if it cannot be done with republican support. and he really pushes back against the pressure that he has been getting from progressives to bend on that whether it is getting rid of the filibuster or supporting the big voting rights package about to come through the senate, and he essentially said that voters in this state and my colleagues know me and this is what they are in for. take a listen. >> my democrat colleagues have known me for over ten years. they have watched my voting pattern. it has been the most bipartisan voting pattern in the senate. so for them to think in a i've changed my voting pattern

because i want to be in a position of being that one person in the middle? that never happened. i didn't change. >> reporter: the way i followed up with him, i said that i don't think that people think that you are not bipartisan, i think democrats want you to be more bipartisan and support these other big priorities for the president. manchin thinks that he can do it his way. and by fix the senate. and there are some of his democratic colleagues who don't think that that is possible. >> well, it will be interesting to watch how that unfolds. garrett hague, thank you so much. joining me now, former democratic congressman donna edwards and doug hye, former communications director for the rnc. and great to see you both. donna, manchin says that everything has changed but not

him and he kind of doubled down on that idea in the same interview. let's take a listen. >> i rent the state of west virginia. that is who hired me. i represent the best possible fashion i can. and i'm not going to get in a situation where i'm placating to different people along different things. this is my state. >> and i guess the question is, is senator manchin living in a political world that doesn't exist anymore, does he need to change and how long do you think that he can hold out? as garrett pointed out, this is a state that needs help with infrastructure. >> yes, i think that senator mar chin may actually be talking about a senate when joe biden was in the united states is that the. that is not the same senate now. he has a minority leader in michigan mcconnell who already declared that his job is to stop any of president biden's priorities. and so unfortunately, like it or not, senator manchin is actually

playing along with the obstruction caucus of the republican party. and i don't think that that has anything to do with bipartisanship. the president has come really far in terms of what he has given on this infrastructure package. i don't know how much more there is to give before he really starts to buck up against some on which position in the democratic party. so i would caution joe manchin about trying to understand what bipartisan shipmeans in the current context of the united states senate. it is not the senate of old. >> david plouffe wrote that democracy dying so the filibuster request live would seem a terrible way for this experiment to he said. and mcconnell is known certainly among democrats for being an

obstructionist. is senator manchin complicit in that strategy? >> i think that there it is frank sinatra's world and we're just living in it. right now joe manchin and kristin sinema are linchpin here. and whether on the issue of infrastructure or on the filibuster and he is asked about the filibuster about every five minutes and he hasn't changed his mind yet. but clear that he will play a massive role here. as we look at what is happening with republicans and democrats, can we find agreement, it is really hard. and when we look at an infrastructure deal, it is not whether the number is at $1.1 billion or trillion, it is about what are the parameters. and on the issue of the filibuster, let's not forget

democrats have used the filibuster very effectively when republican presidents have been in power, when republicans have run the senate. the team in the minority always likes it, the team in the majority always hates it. >> and i want to follow up on the tweet by david plouffe. what is the stake if manchin doesn't adjust his state? and there could be other things like voting rights. >> i think that particularly on something like voting rights where democrats in the state are trying to stand up against republican efforts to suppress the vote, to make sure that black and brown people have a more difficult time voting, sort of rigging the rules. and i think that they are begging for help from national democrats. they are begging the united states senate to create a national strategy for federal elections. and right now, the filibuster is

standing in the way of something like even the john lewis voting rights act, which we know must pass and that actually could have a lot to do to clean up what is happening in these states. and so i think that david plouffe is right, democracy is tying. it is fragile. and we've seen that fragility. and to be honest with you, i think that if we don't really deal with vote rights, with the for the people act, then we really are going to stand a chance that we go through another january 6. this is very dangerous territory. >> and so given all of that, doug, if you were a betting man, what are the chances that infrastructure gets done on any kind of bipartisan manner? >> it would be tough because it is not about numbers. it is about the parameters in washington. >> doug, donna, thank you both. case closed? a new government report that

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available under the new enforcement protocols. we are suspending his accounts for two years effective from the date of initial suspension on january 7 of this year. and they said at the end of the period that they will look to experts to assess whether the risk to public safety has receded and evaluate those factors at the time. but again, donald trump who already as you know is off twitter has been suspended for two years from facebook and instagram. we'll continue to follow this and i'm sure that we'll be getting some response officially from former president trump soon hereafter. and meantime, what is being called the greatest humanitarian crisis in the world, millions of refugees in northwest syria who are homeless, hungry and in need of covid-19 vaccines. and now the border crossing could close cutting off

humanitarian relief. and andrea mitchell, anchor of this program, filed this report. >> reporter: it is hard to overstate the dire circumstances in northwest syria and now russia is threatening to cut off and close the last remaining open border between tur can he turkey and syria potentially cutting off millions of people from aid that they need to survive. the u.n. ambassador went there thursday and i went along with her and she had more u.s. aid to offer and also a message for russia. along the northwest syrian border, families many for years living in tents and other make shift structures, the result of a ten year civil war that has torn their country apart, reducing entire towns to rubble and leaving millions in a desperate and dangerous situation. at one camp, children dig through trash for items that they can sell for stood for their families.

this one collects plastic and says that we have nothing. and thursday linda thomas greenfield traveled to the border crossing where each month 1,000 trucks bring humanitarian relief. and announcing nearly a quarter billion in u.s. aid. and what you are seeing and hearing, how does that compare to all of the disaster zones that you have experienced yourself? >> i think that the scale here is more than anything i've ever experienced before. but the desperation is the same desperation desperation. >> reporter: and near the border, one of more than 3 million who fled to turkey for refuge -- >> to you want to say or do you want to move or on go back to syria? >> reporter: and now millions still living in syria could be cut off from critical aid. what will happen if this crossing, this last crossing, is shut down? >> it is already the biggest

humanitarian crisis in the world and it will be a lot worse. >> reporter: among the complications the pandemic and almost no vaccines. >> for the refugees, here is what i heard today. it is just another reason to die. >> another reason to die. >> another reason to die. so it is just added on top of starvation, violence, desperation, another reason to die. >> reporter: the ambassador's message to the russians? >> you don't want on your shoulders the desperationhe oth border. >> reporter: and president biden is expected to bring it up with vladimir putin when they meet in geneva and we'll be there live as well. back to you. and we appreciate it. are ufos really out there? according to a new intelligence report, it is not clear. the report doesn't find evidence that more than 120 incidents examined over the past 20 years are alien spacecraft, but it

doesn't rule it out either. and it is raising new concerns about china and russia's military capabilities. joining me now, courtney kube. there are people who are very concerned about the security implications from this. what are we learning from the report? >> reporter: that's right. so the two biggest security concerns are the potential that this is some other nation and the two national security officials are concerned about are china and russia that have some new technology or capability that the u.s. wasn't aware of and that is what is being demonstrated here. and the other one is the real possibility that this could be other world aliens or ufos that could also present a security risk here. and the reason for that is if you look at the videos, they are these crafts or whatever these images are showing, they are getting relatively close to u.s. military aircraft or ships. and so that presents a potential

vulnerability. but it is important to point out that this report does not rule in or out either of those options. it also does not definitively rule out that it is not u.s. government technology. most likely is not, but it does not definitively say it. so we're left with more questions than answers. >> and i'll tell you very casually hearing from people and scrolling through social media, there is a contingent of, well, why should we believe it, would they really tell us if they were out there anyway. for example, could these unidentified objects be some secret u.s. technology. >> reporter: yeah, that is definitely one of the theorys that is out there as well. and we should point out that for the conspiracy theorists out there who think that the government won't be honest about this anyway, there is a classified annex to this report as well that we won't have any insight into most likely. and so that only adds fuel to the fire that this is the government that knows more than

that they are saying. but it could demonstrate new technology like hyper son he cans that the u.s. and other nations are working on.he cans that the u.s. and other nations are working on. so it could be new technology that they don't want the american public to know about. >> courtney kube, we appreciate it. and more breaking news, a new warning from the cdc after an uptick in covid-19 hospitalizations among teens. director rochelle walensky is urging adolescents to get the shot and saying that i'm deeply concerned by the numbers of hospitalized adolescents and saddened to see the number of those who required treatment in icu or heck cal ventilation.

and joining me now is dr. zha. nearly a third of those hospitalized with covid required intensive scare. what is your message? >> good afternoon. my message is really very clear. this virus affects adolescents thankfully less seriously than adults, but it still can get them sick. and we have a vaccine that safe and effective. so this is why i've gotten my adolescent children vaccinated and i think every parent should do the same. >> and meanwhile there is the fauci emails that have been made

public. part of it is the science and also the politics. steve scalise saying that he should go under oath. dr. fauci is calling on china to disclose more information. what do you think needs to happen? >> yeah, absolutely. we have to figure out first of all where the origin 6 the virus is. and the lab leak theory remain plausible. i think that it is less likely, but it doesn't mean that it didn't happen. so we need an investigation and transparency. so i agree with dr. fauci that we with need an investigation. >> and house democrats are preparing to send president biden a let are urnlgsing the white house to take a more aggressive role. they want the immediate release of 80 million doses that compare

to the first wave where they did 25 million. and should the u.s. be taking a more aggressive approach, what kind of impact do we have the potential to have? >> yeah, absolutely. there is no doubt about it. and the reason is the following. first of all, we have more than vaccines. we have a glut of vaccines in the united states now. we will see vaccines expire pretty soon because we're not using them. every american who wants a vaccine can get one. we need to share these things. we are better off as the world gets vaccinated. it's about american leadership. it's about doing the right thing. a lot of good reasons the administration has to be more aggressive. >> there's americans itching to travel and travel abroad. some are wondering, is it safe to go to a country that has a low vaccination rate even if i'm vaccinated? that includes a lot of top foreign travel destinations. what would you tell them? >> look at conditions on the ground. countries that have low

vaccination rates are at risk largely because we have variants that are incredibly contagious spreading around the world. they may not have much in the way of infections today. but by the time you get there, they may see a big outbreak. really focus on countries that have high vaccinate rates and they will be safer. countries that are not there right now, i would be careful about traveling places just because there is a risk of a real outbreak in those places. >> dr. jha, thank you so much. we want to go back to breaking news. former president donald trump suspended from facebook and instagram for two years. joining me now ben collins who has been following this throughout. facebook says, ben, that the former president's actions merit the highest penalty available. how significant do you see this as? they certainly acknowledge it's going to be con troe verversial matter what they do. >> facebook didn't have rules.

they didn't have rules for inciting insurrection, for any of this. they are laying down groundwork. you can be suspended for a month or two months or a year or two years. you can be permanently banned. that's what might happen here. in 2023, donald trump has a chance to get back on the platform. facebook said they will consult experts when that comes around to see if this wave of violence that can spring up from his posts, to see if that might happen again. that's what they said here. they will re-visited this in two years. they are taking a hammer to this. this is no longer trying to thread a needle. they are taking the most drastic action they can take to say, this isn't acceptable on our platform. >> they were specific about what they said he did. i'm going to read more of the statement. in establishing the two-year sanction for severe violations, we consider the need for it to

be long enough to allow a safe period of time after the acts of incitement to be significant enough to be a deterrent to mr. trump and others from committing such severe violations in the future and to be proportion. >> dale: -- to the violation itself. >> specific wording there. facebook has taken a clear stand on this. donald trump incited an insurrection. that's what they believe happened. he used social media platforms to do it in the run-up to january 6th. that's the reality. facebook, they are going to catch heat from every side. that's the real problem with having a system this big, having a company that a lot of people equate with the internet. facebook says in this post, this guy can post wherever he wants. he is free to express himself on his blog that is now down.

that doesn't allow him the right to post on our platform. they are a private company that doesn't want to be associated with dictators and authoritarians using it to drum up violence and fear of the other. facebook is taking this stand to say, we have control of the platform. this is our platform. this is our company. within it, donald trump has to play by the rules. that's the stand they took today. >> i'm curious of your analysis. i certainly hear going out and traveling the country a lot of people who were exhausted by donald trump's twitter account saying, at least i'm not waking up every morning and fearing fearful about what might be there. i'm not just talking about democrats. i'm talking about republicans as well. that reach versus the way he used facebook and instagram and what the real world impact might be for donald trump and his

followers. >> there is no equivalent reach. my colleague is writing a story about his blog that they put up just weeks ago. it's already down because donald trump realized nobody was reading his blog posts. the reach is not the same. facebook is not just a place to post stuff on the internet. it's not just word press or something like that. it's a rolodex of most americans, most people in the world at this point. it allows you to use their algorithm to amplify your content to people who would otherwise not see it. that's the difference. his blog, you have to make an effort to get there. with facebook, it can show up on your page. other people can share it. it can show up on a recommendation. he is really -- he has decimated his support in terms of social media. that's because he can't use facebook and instagram and twitter. it limits the reach of your posts. he can still say whatever he wants on the internet. if you are not allowed to do it

on facebook, you will not reach that many people. >> again, donald trump suspended for two years from facebook and instagram following him being taken off twitter. significant moves. ben collins, great to get your perspective and knowledge on this. thank you. we will continue to cover this story throughout the day. that's it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reporreport" follow the show online. you can follow me @chris jansing. chuck todd will be up next with "mtp daily." with "mtp daily." or necessity. we can explore uncharted waters, and not only make new discoveries, but get there faster, with better outcomes. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions, vmware helps companies navigate change-- meeting them where they are, and getting them where they want to be. faster.

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