good afternoon, everyone, i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. we are watching some major political developments on a friday afternoon. we could soon learn if the white house is closer to a bipartisan deal on infrastructure as president biden holds his second one on one discussion with senator shelley moore capito, the lead republican negotiator. this as the government reported that employers added 559,000 jobs last month and the unemployment rate fell to 5.8%. while the economy added 1.6 million jobs in the last three months, there are still more than 7.5 million fewer jobs than there were before the pandemic. before he left delaware to return to washington, d.c., president biden said the road to a full economic recovery will be bumpy but we've come a long way.

now, all of this comes as facebook announced that former president donald trump will remain suspended for at least two years, saying it will only reinstate him then if conditions permit. trump says the decision is an insult to everyone who voted for him. moments ago, white house press secretary jen psaki was asked about the decision. watch. >> we saw the impact on january 6th of words on social media platforms. every platform, whether it's facebook, twitter, any other platform that is disseminating information to millions of americans has a responsibility to crack down on disinformation, to crack down on false information, whether it's about the election. >> this as trump's former white house lawyer don mcgahn testifies on capitol hill. and fbi director christopher wray in an interview compared the recent spate of cyber attacks in the united states to the challenge posed by the

september 11th attacks nearly 20 years ago. joining us, nbc news correspondent monica alba and anna palmer, founder of punchbowl news and an msnbc contributor. monica, the president said he would be talking again with senator capito about infrastructure. she said she would present a counteroffer to the president's proposal, i guess, or offer. what do we know about where things stand right now in the back and forth? >> reporter: it's not clear, ayman, whether this phone call has even taken place. a marine is posted outside the white house which indicates the president is in the oval office. we expect him to be working on infrastructure for much of this afternoon and we hope to have a readout from both sides. notably, during the press briefing a few moments ago, the white house actually lowered expectations for whether there will be a counterproposal. they said they don't anticipate this discussion will be, quote,

an exchange of paper. they expect the talks will continue. this is a followup of course to that discussion they had in person here at the white house on wednesday. but this is really an indication, ayman, that the talks will stretch into the weekend and potentially longer than that, because now when pressed on whether they do view june 7 as this unofficial deadline, the white house is saying, actually no, these talks could stretch all the way into july. and they framed it as, there is some runway left to try to hammer this out, though we know the two sides are still miles and miles, a bumpy road apart. but the president is making concessions and is still hellbent, i'm told, on getting a bipartisan deal. it doesn't seem they'll have anything to announce after this phone call today, but the expectation is by next week they'll announce whether the president will meet with another group of republican senators who may have their own proposal if these initial talks fail. >> anna, let's talk about the

former president and the facebook decision. facebook was one of donald trump's main sources for messaging, certainly for fundraising. now he'll remain suspended on the platform for at least, you know, the 2022 midterms. what could this potentially mean, both for his political future and those that are so closely attached to him in the midterms? >> clearly a disappointing announcement for donald trump. this comes in the same week that his blog shuttered because it wasn't getting enough traffic. there's clearly a messenger problem for the president. he used to use twitter all the time. we in the media used to follow his every tweet. so did many of his followers. i think the real question is going to be, he's about to start doing some of these rallies. does his base still want to see him in person? or is his popularity or is his kind of fanatacism around him starting to wane in the same way that most people who don't have the elected office and the white house, when they go back to the

private sector, they don't have that same kind of, you know, megaphone. and he's really having a hard time finding out how he's going to get his message. people aren't covering him in the same way because he's not the president anymore. >> and he hasn't had a major rally since january the 6th. monica, fbi director christopher wray's comments about a september 11th level challenge come as the biden administration looks at how to respond to the recent wave of cyber attacks that have been hitting this country. a lot of people certainly within government blaming russian actors or at least actors within the territory of russia. what more have we learned about how the u.s. could and would respond to future attacks? >> reporter: behind the scenes, ayman, our reporting indicates the biden administration is weighing whether to launch their own counter cyber attacks to deter these ransomware criminals in russia. the white house doesn't want to get ahead of whether that might take place before the geneve is

an as a result with vladimir putin next week. i pressed the press secretary jen psaki on this in the briefing minutes ago and asked her how much these talks with the russian president are factoring into the decision and the timeline here. take a listen to what she told me. >> we will take action when warranted. sometimes seen, sometimes unseen. we typically don't predict that ahead of time. we also will look for areas of opportunity to have a discussion. but we're not having this summit as a reward. we're not having this summit because we expect to only talk about areas where we agree or disagree. >> reporter: the white house also saying, though, that the threat is urgent and complex, and they're undergoing a review about our own vulnerability when it comes to cybersecurity and they're waiting for the outcome of that potentially to act. so that may be a clue, ayman, that we're not going to see anything here before this high stakes face-to-face with president biden. it could likely come much after that. we know at least it will be a topic of discussion during that meeting. >> and anna, let's talk a little

bit about capitol hill and what happened there. let me play for you what house judiciary committee jerry nadler said earlier today when he was asked about what it meant to have former white house counsel don mcgahn testify after a nearly two-year battle. watch this. >> well, it vindicates the congressional subpoena right. that's the main one. and we'll see what comes out of his testimony. >> now, is he right here in that today's testimony is about sending a message that even if it does take years and years, thou shalt not defy a congressional subpoena? >> yeah, this has been a two-year process. i don't know that there's a ton of expectation that we'll learn a lot from don mcgahn's testimony. right now it's behind closed doors, ultimately it will become

public. to jerry nadler's point, this is something democrats have been pushing for a very long time. just because you don't want to testify, the subpoena power still remains intact and that's something democrats will point to to a victory. >> thanks to both of you for starting us off this hour, monica, anna. the gop targets anthony fauci about what he knew about the origins of covid-19, as axios reports fauci will be the main target in former president trump's rallies, calling him, quote, trump's new hillary. nbc's washington correspondent hallie jackson is digging into all of this for us. hallie? >> reporter: hey there, ayman. the nation's top infectious diseases doctor facing fire from republicans and defending his emails newly released from more than a year ago. fauci says these emails are ripe for being taken out of context

as it gives a glimpse of when the pandemic was just beginning, in the pandemic's early days. and now the focus on dr. anthony fauci's view on where the virus started, that's after several news organizations obtained thousands of pages of fauci's emails under the freedom of information act from the first months of 2020 including one sent by dr. francis collins, head of the nih. its subject line, "conspiracy gains momentum," linking to a story on a fox news report suggesting covid-19 leaked from a lab in wuhan. fauci's response, blacked out. many dismiss the idea of a lab leak in 2020. it's now gaining momentum after a u.s. intelligence report that three researchers at that lab got sick weeks before china confirmed its first case. the emails also show the founder of an institute, ecohealth alliance, with ties to the lab, thanking fauci for supporting the theory that covid naturally developed. some nih funds aimed at

collecting samples went to the wuhan lab via ecohealth. "the wall street journal" writing this morning in an editorial, it's valid to ask why dr. fauci was slow to accept the idea of a lab leak. >> did you think the lab leak theory was a conspiracy theory in 2020? >> not necessarily at all. the situation is that we didn't know and still don't know what the origin is. >> reporter: fauci, the nation's top infectious diseases doctor, now under fire from conservatives who suggest he didn't do enough to investigate where the virus originated. >> we need to get to the bottom of this. dr. fauci needs to be brought in under oath to answer questions about this. >> reporter: but fauci points out the nih is not responsible for such an investigation. during the pandemic, remember, fauci came under fire from some of the former president's supporters because he backed certain pandemic precautions. and to give you a sense what have else these emails show, when a chinese scientist wrote him to check in on fauci, quote, being attacked, dr. fauci

responded, "all is well despite some crazy people in this world." ayman, back to you. >> our thanks to hallie jackson. turning to the middle east, israeli police used tear gas to break up a crowd after a solidarity march launched by palestinian activists today. the protest took the form of a march. activists say the protest goal was to garner international attention and keep a spotlight on forced evictions of palestinians from their homes. the fate of more than 700 palestinians enhancing in the balance of looming israeli court decisions. nbc news correspondent kelly cobiella joins us now from tel aviv. good to have you with us, walk us through and tell us what you saw. >> reporter: so this was a protest, ayman, that started in one of the flash points for the recent conflict between gaza and hamas and israel.

it was billed as sort of a marathon march. so these protesters were sort of running a marathon, most of it very peaceful, very pleasant. lots of people there, several hundred, maybe 2 or 300 people at least from what we saw. and then as the roads narrowed quite a bit, there were huge -- what felt like huge crowds in a very narrow space, they were chanting, singing. one of the protesters talked to us about why she was there. take a listen. >> we as palestinians are making the effort in order to educate the world that what's happening in jerusalem today and what's happening in palestine today is the only colonization that is still ongoing in the world today. so it's illegal. how do you keep this ongoing?

>> reporter: so at that point, once those protesters were on that very narrow street, something tipped off clashes between the two. it's unclear what started this. it may have been israeli police trying to break up the crowd, trying to disperse all of those people. but we from our vantage point could see tear gas, we could hear stun grenades, many stun grenades and lots of tear gas canisters. we saw one protester with a rock, throwing a rock toward police. and this maybe lasted about 45 minutes to an hour while we were there. there were lots of ambulances in the area at the time. not clear how many people if any were injured or how serious those injuries were. but this is the kind of thing that erupts in these neighborhoods when there is a protest on a very regular basis. and it's because this is an issue, ayman, as you well know, that has not gone away. we've talked a lot about this coalition government, over the

past week. this issue of setlers is not disappearing. the issue of protests that somehow flare into clashes with police is not going away. it's going that this coalition government, if it comes into being, will have a really hard time dealing with. >> kelly cobiella live for us from tel aviv, thank you. facebook is keeping former president trump off the platform for two years as he gets ready to make his first speech in months and clings to conspiracy theories. but first, one of the capitol hill police officers injured on january 6th makes a powerful plea to keep the man accused of knocking her unconscious behind bars. you're watching "ayman mohyeldin reports." by foo fighters ♪ ♪ the best part of stepping into the spotlight isn't the awards ♪ ♪

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breaking news. just moments ago, federal prosecutors now say they expect to charge at least 550 people in connection with the capitol riot, revising up earlier estimates. this comes as today a capitol police officer, speaking out in court this afternoon, asking a judge not to release a rioter accused of knocking her out on january 6th. ryan samsell was asking for release from d.c. jail pending trial citing injuries he allegedly suffered in a beating there. according to federal prosecutors, after knocking her out, he picked the officer up

off the ground, allegedly asking her, quote, we don't have to hurt you, why are you standing in our way. joining us now is an investigative reporter for nbc news washington, scott macfarlane, scott, good to have you back. walk us through the arguments prosecutors made to keep samsell in jail. >> reporter: ayman, one of the most compelling scenes we've seen so far in these 490 cases, the capitol police officer issued a statement asking the court to keep samsell in jail in d.c. she says in the statement, you've stolen moments from me, when will we be set free? she said she suffered head injuries and told the court, no other women should be injured. the feds have accused samself knocking multiple women unconscious on multiple occasions in previous years including an incident in 2006

where officials say he ran a woman off the road and smashed her windshield and that he assaulted his pregnant girlfriend, throwing her in a canal and pushing her head under the water. samsell says he's been injured in jail in an assault but the argument against him from the feds is pretty striking. >> incredible testimony there. scott, there was another court hearing this afternoon for kyle young. he is accused of trying to take metropolitan police officer michael fanone's gun. young also allocated then threatened to kill fanone. what do we know about that case? >> reporter: he will stay behind bars for future hearings. he's locked up, accused of a brutal assault against officer fanone. he'll be back in court in office. i also want to tell you about the case of michael sivik, accused of stealing officer

fanone's badge and burying it in his backyard. there will be a plea deal within a few weeks, according to prosecutors. >> federal authorities are still making arrests in connection with the riot. the number of cases is expected to go up to 500 plus. just this week, a florida woman was arrested for assaulting a police officer during the insurrection. walk us through what we know about her case. >> reporter: that's audrey rousey of florida, accused of pushing an officer with a flagpole and is accused of threatening nancy pelosi. one of a growing number of defendants where charging documents say there was a threat made against nancy pelosi. the one process issue here, ayman, the justice department isn't announcing these new defendants. i spotted it on the back page of a new filing in a case against the former olympian who is in court later this afternoon. some of this relevant information is buried in the footnotes of the case filings.

>> i know we've been looking at and certainly the police as well have been using all kinds of, you know, identifiers to try and find those that participated in this. the justice department today was able to identify one alleged capitol rioter by his stomach tattoo. tell us more about that case. >> reporter: the feds say that's the stomach of james mcgraw of arizona, on the left from a booking photo. it's king james, it says in the tattoo. the right image they say is from a body-worn camera inside the capitol, he lifted his shirt to wipe away the sweat, revealing the tattoo. there's other evidence against james mcgraw but they cite the tattoo as evidence that it is in fact him inside the capitol. >> scott macfarlane staying on top of this beat for us, thank you very much, scott. in less than 24 hours, former president trump will deliver his first political speech in months at north carolina's annual state republican party convention. the speech will be closed to the

media. journalists won't be able to view it via live stream or any other alternate forms. the former president in a statement this morning claimed he won north carolina because it was not subject to, quote, democrat tricks, citing false conspiracy theories. we learned trump's suspension from facebook will continue until at least january 2023. joining me now is washington desk correspondent dominico montenaro. let's talk about the political fallout for trump's political allies from the facebook suspension. >> former president trump is scheduled to likely go out and campaign with a bunch of candidates over the summer. what's significant about him not being able to be on facebook is he loses a big megaphone once

again where he's kept off the facebook and twitter. he hasn't been able to push the same news narratives in the way that he had been during his presidency and during the 2015-2016 campaign. so, you know, the issue here is that he's going to be able to use this as a grievance campaign, as he always has. right when this ban lifts, even perhaps with some restrictions after that, is going to be in january of 2023, right in time for if and when he decides to run again for president in 2024. >> so dominico, the former president's blog got paltry engagement. despite a strong following on social media before being banned, we all remember the numbers and how much he touted them, but how pivotal will the next few months be for trump for keeping his grip on the gop if he does not have these platforms online? >> i don't think that the

traffic to his website really mattered all that much, frankly. what really mattered was what he was saying and who was listening. because the people who are listening were a very influential bunch of republican leaders. you can find a direct correlation from that blog and analysis that i had done, you can see that he had -- all the things he had said were then basically coming out of the mouths of people like kevin mccarthy, house minority leader. so they were listening. if former president trump had moved on from this lie that he had won in 2020, then i bet you republican leaders and republican officials and probably republican voters would have let it go as well. but they haven't because he hasn't. the plurality of what he had posted on that and now still live on his website in the news releases section because all they did was move it over, are him relitigating the 2020 election. >> i know you've been reporting on people within trump's orbit. how have they been reacting to

him reportedly saying that he believes he'll be reinstated in august? >> well, you know, there are some people who just flat out have never heard that or they deny that. there are others who say that he's being coy, he's somebody who always wants to play up the drama to the last possible moment, have the thing that everyone will continue to tune in to hear. remember, that's just what he's done, right? that's sort of his m.o. so i think that that, we'll have to see tomorrow night, you know, if he winds up actually talking about that, and saying it officially rather than hearing, you know, behind the scenes that maybe privately he thinks that that's a thing that he could potentially do because he heard it from the my pillow guy. that's not exactly, you know, what we know to be necessarily the truth until we hear it from him. >> speaking of the president's orbit, let me play you somebody who was very close to the president at one point. this is former vice president mike pence speaking last night

at a republican gathering in new hampshire. >> january 6th was a dark day in the history of the united states capitol. president trump and i have spoken many times since we left office. and i don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that day. but i will always be proud of what we accomplished for the american people over the last four years. [ applause ] and i will not allow democrats or their allies in the media to use one tragic day to discredit the aspirations of millions of americans. >> so on january 6th, dominico, there were people in the capitol chanting "hang mike pence" and there was a gallows constructed in front of the capitol. what do you make of pence characterize this as them simply not seeing eye to eye on it? >> ya think?

clearly former president trump has continued to say that he won the election in 2020 when he didn't. he doesn't want to take any kind of responsibility for this. he has said repeatedly that he doesn't want to see a january 6th commission and guess what happened, republicans moved to block a january 6th commission. i don't think there's a coincidence there much at all. what i do think is interesting, that pence is someone who is trying to thread this very fine needle, because he is someone who is thinking of potentially running in 2024 if trump decides not to. and there's a whole slew of candidates who -- or potential candidates who are waiting in the wings, waiting to see what happened. one strategist i talked to, one republican strategist i talked to says he's pretty darn sure trump is going to leave this to the last minute and leave the entire field on ice and all those blind quotes you normally hear will start sooner rather

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house, just moments ago confirming that president biden and senator capito spoke via phone this afternoon and agreed to connect again on monday in their ongoing talks about a bipartisan infrastructure deal. that would be their third one on one discussion in a week. we will continue to follow this story for any developments. here are the coronavirus facts as we know them at this hour. the united states has now surpassed 600,000 covid deaths, the highest count of any country worldwide, though 49 states and washington, d.c. are currently seeing a decrease in cases. we're now exactly one month away from the fourth of july. that is the date by which president biden hopes to reach his goal of having 70% of american adults at least having received their first covid vaccine shot. according to the nbc news tracking of this, 62% of adults have gotten at least their first dose so far. joining me is the senior scholar

at the johns hopkins center for health security at the bloomberg school of public health. great to have you with us, dr. adalja. we've officially passed another tragic milestone, 600,000 covid deaths in the united states. given the progress we've made, do you think we'll ever reach 700,000 deaths? >> it's going to take a longer time to get to 700,000 than it did to get from 400,000 to 500,000 because we've gotten so many of our high risk individuals vaccinated. we know the deaths are concentrated in those above 65, those with underlying conditions. i think we'll still see deaths occur. it's going to be some time before we hit 700,000. because our vaccine rollout was so successful in those high risk groups. >> let me ask you about what dr. rochelle walensky, the cdc director, had to say. she is concerned about the number of adolescents currently hospitalized as a result of covid-19. she strongly encourages teens to wear masks until they can get

fully inoculated. there is a lot of talk about how this virus affects young people. what did today's cdc report tell us from your vantage point? >> it's important to remember you kind of have to dig into this report because the headlines can sometimes be confusing. we're talking about about 200 people who were not vaccinated, who were admitted to the hospital between the first three months of this month, between the ages of 12 and 17. this is a small group of people. there's about 200 of them. of those, 45% were admitted for non-covid-related reasons. one-third went into the icu, remember, that's one-third of a small number. many of these children had high risk conditions. what you take away from this is yes, it is important to vaccinate children as they become eligible, those in the 12 to 17 age group, and especially those that have high risk conditions, because the risk is nonzero, although it is small, it is somewhat comparable to influenza or a little more than influenza if you look at the numbers.

it's something that should underscore the need for those children to get vaccinated when the vaccine is available to them and now it is, so this should be something that should push people. i don't want people to panic about this because it is still small numbers and it is still in general true that children are spared from the severe consequences of disease versus adults. >> i want to ask you about the vaccination efforts in this country. the u.s. has to vaccinate another 8% of american adults to reach president biden's goal of 70%. do you believe that can be done in the next 30 days, even with all the incentives that have been going around from various states and businesses? >> it's going to be very difficult. we're at a point now where we've hit a wall. those people who want to be vaccinated, have been vaccinated. now it takes a lot more effort just to get one more dose into people, because people are procrastinating, people don't believe this is of value to them especially as they see cases come down and percent positivity of tests come down. we have to redouble our efforts to try to reach that goal and that means making it convenient as possible, going door to door,

incentives, making it a norm to get vaccinated. hopefully we'll get there but it's challenging because we're in that part of the population now that doesn't necessarily see that same value as the ones that got vaccinated early on did. >> we'll see how it plays out in the next 30 days. dr. ameshdelja, thank you. one week from tomorrow, something will happen in the economy that will affect millions of people. ali velshi joins me next to explain. you're watching "ayman mohyeldin reports." my hepatitis c?e how can i handle one more thing? you can stay on track and be cured in only 8 weeks with mavyret. you can keep your momentum with mavyret. before starting mavyret your doctor will test if you've had hepatitis b which may flare up and cause serious liver problems during and after treatment. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b, a liver or kidney transplant, other liver problems, hiv-1,

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reported today that employers added 559,000 new jobs last month alone. and the unemployment rate fell to 5.8%. joining us now with much more on all of this, ali velshi, host of "velshi" on msnbc. good to see you, my friend. a lot of interesting takes on this, i would like to get yours. how much of a role is the cutoff of benefits in what seems to be by most estimates a modest job recovery and what could it mean for hiring down the line? >> this is an interesting question, my friend. we'll know the end of this experiment by the end of july because everybody will have cut it out by then. let's look at the map of the states that are cutting off the enhanced benefit. it's $300 a week. if you earn that in addition to the $300 state benefit, you're getting $600 a week, which by the way is exactly $15 an hour. most service workers do not earn $15 an hour in this country. the argument is as long as these

enhanced benefits are out there, folks are taking the benefits as opposed to working. we'll know more about how true that is, because if you look at the states cutting off the enhanced benefits, you'll find that by july 19th or so, most of them will be done. for the unemployment report we get at the beginning of december, we'll know how it fared for august and we'll know whether people are staying home or not for other reasons than the enhanced benefits. there's probably some truth to it because you can't get 15 bucks an hour working at most bars and restaurants. there are lots of complicated reasons why that's good or bad but it may be having some effect on the fact that the job creation rate was not as big last month as it should be. one thing i always want to remind people, don't pay too much attention to the unemployment rate on a month to month basis because the denominator changes. so it's not that important that it's 5.8% as opposed to something higher. >> let's pull out and look at the big picture here for a moment.

you had may's jobs report, it was much better than april's report. but the u.s. still has 7.6 million fewer jobs than it did before the pandemic. that's the total number. what does this tell us about the overall state of the u.s. jobs market? >> increasing, going up in the right direction. so for most people out there watching, what do they care mostly about? that's the pattern of job losses over the last year. let's take a look at average hourly earnings. that's the thing most people care about. if unemployment is low, your earnings generally go up. we've seen over the last year average hourly earnings actually going up. this is a bit of a tug-of-war. stephanie ruhle was talking about this earlier today, it's a tug-of-war between employers and employees. employees are hoping that employers will pay more money to get them to work. let's take a look at who is hiring right now. the biggest gain was in leisure and hospitality, hotels, bars, restaurants. education saw a very big gain,

that makes sense, students are getting back to school. health care has never lost jobs, it always gains jobs. we saw a drop-off in construction and retail. but what you see by sector, i want to go to hiring by sector compared to a year ago. we're still down, 2.5 million jobs in leisure and hospitality. we're down 509,000 jobs in manufacturing, 400,000 in retail, 500,000 in health care, 225,000 in construction. all of that stuff has got to come back. my general opinion, ayman, is that it will come back. we'll have a full recovery. but some economists say it will be 2022, sometime next year before we get there. >> ali velshi, always a pleasure, thank you very much. catch "velshi" tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. eastern on msnbc. ali will be joined by stacey plaskett, impeachment manager of former president trump's second senate trial. you do not want to miss that. he was arrested almost two weeks ago in what is being called a state sponsored hijacking by belarus.

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opposition activists and lavished praise on authoritarian alexander lukashenko and adopted the state's language against western interference. human rights watch is pointing to signs of injury on protasevich's hands including here, where markings on his wrists can be seen. the dissident's father says it's a sign that his son probably gave this interview as a result of torture. now, back on may 24, one day after he was detained, this video appeared on social media where protasevich appeared to have bruises on his face. joining me now with more is nbc news' matt bodner who is in st. petersburg, russia for us. matt, i know you've been tracking this closely and a disturbing twist late last night. >> reporter: thank you, ayman. this is the third time we've seen him used this way, this one arguably one of the more unsettling versions of it. as you mentioned, there's clear signs of duress. so i don't think we're going to show too many clips from it.

and like you said, clearly bruises on his wrists. one of the things that really stuck out to me is not only is he refuting essentially everything that he's worked hard for over the past several years, what he's done with his journalism career. it's the way he's done it, it's this very kind of strange pro-government language, something you might see on state media. and one of the quotes is like, he admitted that he organized the massive protests that popped up last year. as you recall, there was that presidential election in belarus that the opposition likely won. that's what started all of this. he was instrumental in kind of publicizing the massive examples of regime excess, regime abuse against protesters. and he's now saying that he regrets doing all of that, he regrets badmouthing alexander lukashenko, the president, for example, and says even now respects lukashenko. this was all couched and packaged in what was ostensibly,

if you just kind of glanced at it, a very ordinary state television interview. but it's when you look closer that the devil is really in the detail, those bruises, he seems nervous at times, at one point he breaks down into tears. his father says he knows his son, son obviously and doesn't believe he would say these things and said as you mentioned that this is the result of torture and heard from other groups that back that up from human rights watch and also the opposition leader who i think pointed out accurately that the main task of a political prisoner is to survive and a thing to leave you with is seeing this situation with raman now because it was blatant. it happened in front of the west basically but he is one of hundreds. >> matt live in russia this evening, thank you for that report. joining me now is ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser to president

obama and author of "after the fall." great to have you with us. belarus. how should a power like the united states respond right now to what we're seeing play out with this forced downing of a commercial airliner to arrest an opposition figure and then as we saw alleged torture and forced confession? >> look. this whole episode has just violated any norm of international conduct. from the hijacking of a commercial airliner flying from greece to lit wayne yeah, grounding it in belarus, detaining this person and then coercing this kind of -- i mean, to be blunt echoed of stalin. i think that the united states needs to respond in concert with allies forcefully not just for

the sanctions that we presume in the past and can add to but lukashenko depends on a corrupt circle of cronies and need to go aggressively after the dark money that flows through the financial system that sustains the regimes and i think also we need to do what this young journalist is doing and expose the corruption, the excesses, the undemocratic regime and so far outside the bounds of what the world can accept and no climbing back for someone like this and we'll spotlight what he is doing and go after the resources he uses to do it. >> belarus is a very close relationship with russia. today russian opposition navalny celebrating the 45th birthday in prison. do you think he should have any

reason to hope he won't be a political prisoner in russia or seeing a shift from democracy that renders the ability to change anything pretty much useless? >> i think first of all for my book i talked to navalny. last summer i connected with him by facetime and i'm sanctioned and cannot travel to russia and walked me through the life story and he is detained many times, knew exactly what he was getting into. told me, look, i'm a normal person. of course i feel fear hearing the prison door clank shut door behind me and they can do anything to me. i watched him get poisoned clearly at the instigation of vladimir putin and he went back into russia and knew what he was doing then, too. he said i'm not interested to

leave russia. i want to take on putin. i believe that if there was an actual election that i could beat this guy. he had a network across russia. i think he wants to be there and would be put in prison but he thinks he is right and putin is wrong and that ultimately the work he did to expose the corruption and putin's vulnerability. just because it looks dire now doesn't mean we should walk away and a central point of the book is that we are in an ethical struggle in this world. it is incumbent to not forget people like navalny suffering for what they believe in on the front line. >> a criticism is that u.s. national policy isn't consistent and inconsistency. i'm curious your thoughts. president biden meeting with president putin.

what lessons would you tell president biden based on your own experiences with the obama administration and his interactions with president putin? >> look. putin is not going to change behavior. the story i inhabit in the book is multidecade effort by putin more repressive at home and abroad. at seeking to undermine and go on offense against the united states and democracy itself with tools of disinformation, intimidation, invading a part of the neighbor in ukraine. no way that lukashenko would have done what he did to this young journalist without the support of vladimir putin and need eyes wide open you won't alter vladimir putin's approach to the world. i think it's necessary to have lines of communication. the relationship between u.s. and russia is so big and complex

that we are -- with the negotiating table with them on issues like the iran nuclear agreement, agreements with them to stay in place but i think you want to halt certain kinds of escalation and make clear we will push back and a firm response whether you like it or not when you engage in this behavior. >> always a pleasure. thank you so much. congratulations on the book. look forward to reading it. >> thank you. before we go i just want to take a moment to give a special thanks to someone who has been instrumental in the launch and success of this show why the leader of the team, my friend, jack bore who after eight years at msnbc is leaving to pursue new challenges and been a fearless journalist and never shied away from covering difficult stories and spotlighting underreported stories. the product of numerous producers, editors and writers that work to bring you the most

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