>> sometimes when you see people being given a hard time in public life, particularly when someone is being attacked unfairly and they are a public figure -- sometimes you find yourself lamenting that all the good people are going to be driven out of public life in public service, by the nonsense and unfair attacks and conspiracy nonsense they have to put up with. people get targeted unfairly for whatever reason. sometimes in those moments, i think it can be helpful to know what that particular person has been through before. in terms of understanding what

kind of effect it might have on them for them to be unfairly attacked and pilloried in public life. it helps to know where they have been. to know whether they have got what it takes to stand up to some of the unfair treatment that can sums times with being in the public eye. this was nightly news, and bc nightly news, may 21st, 1990. >> this was a major day of protests by aids activists in this country. 1000 them converging on the national institutes of health, outside of washington, demanding more's research on the disease. 81 were arrested. -- has more tonight on a group that is taking the aids struggle to the streets and beyond that. >> today's demonstration is the latest of many staged by the militant group act up, which has gained increasing influence on aids policies. the weekly meetings of the new york chapter attract hundreds. the loosely knit organization counts 10,000 members

nationwide. mostly young, mostly gay. [applause] the atmosphere at the meetings and at the headquarters is characterized by enthusiasm and belligerence towards established institutions. larry kramer started act up to accelerate the aids drug approval process. >> well right is the fda and and i h have to tell a dying person what he or she can do with with their body? >> active members do more than just demonstrate. mark has made himself an expert on aids and he serves on an nih advisory committee, even though he helped organize today's administration. >> i call that the inside, outside strategy. and it goes really. we'll >> act up's strategy has been enormously successful getting the food and drug administration to loosen regulation of new drugs for aids. now the activists are trying to force science to work faster to develop and test new treatments.

in the past, scientists have strongly resisted such pressure. act up thanks to the scientists can be made to listen. robert bell, nbc news, bethesda. >> that was may 1990. bethesda, maryland, at the campus of the national institutes of health. that was really something. hundreds of people got arrested. you saw people getting clubbed there by police. some of that footage. it was part of that protest people with aids wrapped themselves up in red tape. as they marched on the nih building, as if they were dying from red tape. they said the nih is killing us. we die, they do nothing. so they set off those colored smoke bombs. it was incredibly dramatic and, actually quite ended timid dating seeing. what they wanted was more people into more clinical trials for more drugs. and they made that huge rocket trying to force it to happen. in that news footage though, there was the brief clip of an individual member of the

activist group, act up, with a voice over said both helped organize that protests at nih. and was also serving on a formal advisory committee at nih. a formal advisory committee at an nih while trying to test and approved new drug. that happened, activists were brought on to those advisory groups, because the top aids researcher at nih made that happen. and that he met with activists, he cracked open the egg h to force that big scientific government agency to put actual people with aids on these advisory boards. including the activists who were protesting at their offices. a big, loud and sometimes very intimidating protests. put those people on the advisory boards that are steering the government response. the top aids researcher in the government at the time made that happen, which earned him respect from the activists he was helping into the corridors of power. it didn't stop him from getting

a hard time from them, in an ongoing way. three days after that protest at nih, at his office, the lead aids researcher at nih had been scheduled to give a talk in new york city about treatment options for people with hiv. here's where that scene is described in the books, against the arts by peter arnaud. they say quote, the audience was packed with act up members. the researcher quit, i enjoyed so much the visit of some of you a few days ago. then he fielded questions from the crowd. the mood was far from friendly, and some of the threats were thinly veiled. the drugs you've tested haven't worked, shouted one man. why don't you try the ones we've been begging you for four years. in pleading for a bold response to the epidemic, another man warned, if you can't find the profile encourage that i've seen all row me in my own community, that i'm scared of what we may have to be driven to do to make you wake up. i hope it doesn't come to that. the most moving movement of the

evening when one man suspect stepped up to the microphone and asked, if you'd heard promises year in and year out, if you're still carrying the best friends you've ever had, out of churches and synagogues in caskets. if you are scared to death of getting sick yourself, what would you do, dr. fauci? what would you do? fauci's response was subdued. he said quote, i would be very upset. >> it was 40 years ago, tomorrow, that the first ever report was published a day to fang a weird, rare pneumonia. new assistance pneumonia among five previously healthy young gay men. 40 years ago exactly since that first cautious, curious report of something odd notice in those five young men. that was 1981. doctor anthony fauci was an infectious disease doctor and researcher at the time. >> i can remember in early in the summer of 1981, when i

first read in the report from the cdc, of these cases of strange infections and tumors impatient, in male homosexuals. in the new york city area and in california, l.a. and san francisco. i thought initially that this might be a transmittable agent, the maybe it was some toxic substance. some drug, or what have you, that they had ingested. but when it became clear that such a large number of individuals on both coasts were getting it, we became rather suspicious that we were dealing with an infectious agent. and then as soon as the drug users became infective, and then hemophiliacs, with a common denominator the policy ability of blood borne transmission, in addition to sexual transmission, and it became clear that we were dealing with a very special, unprecedented situation. >> a very special,

unprecedented situation. doctor anthony fauci was a rocket in his field at the time, as a young researcher he became one of the most prolific it most widely publish, most influential, respected infectious disease scientists on earth. and from the very beginning of the aids epidemic, 40 years ago now, he not only worked on it as a researcher. he personally treated patients from the very beginning. and he did put activists on the advisory board for clinical trials. he listen to them, he created what was called a parallel track for clinical trials. to get more people faster access to promising but still experimental therapies. he didn't just get yelled at by activists and then meet with them hints himself. he also brought activists to nih to meet with his colleagues, who might have been less inclined to hang out with the activists who are all screaming at them. he brought activists meet with his colleagues at nih, to expose those other government scientists and doctors to the urgency and anger of these desperate young people who were

dying from this incurable disease. he wanted the researchers and doctors he worked with to see what was motivating him and what is motivating the people who were pressuring them so hard, at making their life so difficult at times. he wanted to light a fire under the government response. well now we are, as of tomorrow, officially 40 years into the aids epidemic. those first five cases written up in the first journal article 40 years ago, they eventually became 32 million people dead from aids, around the world. 730,000 americans dead from it. but right now, yes, there are 730,000 americans who have been killed by aides. but there are 1.2 million americans who are living with hiv right now. because treatment for hiv infection did get so much better. they got the first drug in 1996. we got really good drugs starting in 2006. and now, if you can get access

-- the first drug in 1986, the first good drugs in 1996. and if you can get access to state-of-the-art treatment, bottom line is, it's basically not going to kill you anymore. and that's been the last 40 years. that's been the life's work of doctor anthony fauci, as the government's top infectious disease doctor. the same doctor anthony fauci who axios tells us today is set to become the new hillary. trump's new hillary. the new villain in chief for former president donald trump, who apparently plans to make vilifying and attacking dr. anthony fauci the centerpiece of his come back political tour, which he wants to start tomorrow in a speech he is giving to the state republican party in north carolina. doctor fauci is the subject in a negative way, of every hour on fox news primetime now. where they think he can somehow be blamed for causing covid, or something? since he is a country's lead

scientist on. or maybe he is a secret chinese communist? i actually quite quite follow what they think fauci has done so wrong. but you know, knock yourself up. this is not his first time swimming laps in the kiddie pool. this is from against the odds. january 1989, fauci was in san francisco to speak at an aids meeting been held at the scene francis hotel. just before he stepped up to the podium, active members popped up from the audience and began blowing whistles. within minutes, they had covered the hotel conference room with red tape. they chanted, you're killing us with red tape. with characteristics the amusement, fauci complemented them on the careful organization of their demonstration. fauci had a special knack for taking barbs in stride. he said quote, i've been burned in effigy so many times, it really doesn't matter. he publicly praised the activists knowledge of how the system works. their persistence and success in applying constructive pressure on regulators and researchers. they intern felt they found a well-placed ally. by the time the 1919

international aids conference in san francisco came around, some activists chose to boycott. others attended only to boo and his many of the public officials who spoke. it was anthony fauci who got his sanded ovation at the conference for his work. i say this because this is the 40th anniversary of the first reports about what we would come to know as hiv and a.i.d.s.. i also say because republicans and the former president in particular conservative media, they have apparently decided again that they have some great target and doctor anthony fauci. i think that is a bad choice. in part because i am not sure anybody can follow exactly what is they think he has done so wrong. anybody outside their echo chamber, certainly. but also because he knows how to handle himself. e kni will also point out though that aside from him, this is a weird evolution for us. this is a weird evolution for our country over these four years. doctor anthony fauci made his bones and drew his thick skin

being screened at and protested and denounced, and burned in effigy, and threatened to his face. by people who were doing that. because they were sick. and afraid of dying. and trying desperately to get a crew here. and in him, no matter how much they attacked him. while they ended up with was an ally and a devoted, excellent researcher and scientists who kept helping. who in fact, invited them in. who kept working at it. who didn't get them a cure, but then damn close. in contrast, the attacks he's injuring today, people appear to be mad at him for the fact that there is an epidemic at all. appear to be mad at him for having trusted expertise. they appear to be mad and desperate to undermine the fact that americans trust him to tell the truth. and to do the work of stopping epidemics. and finding cures.

he is still the same scientists, we are the ones who have been through a very weird evolution here. joining us now from the interview is doctor anthony fauci. since 1984, he has led the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases at the nih. doctor fauci, thank you so much for being here. >> good to be with you, rachel. thank you very much for having me. >> first of all, let media just ask if i'm being fair? and my building you up to be thicker skinned about this than you are? are you actually worried about this new ramping up of attacks on you? >> well, i am concerned about that more because it is really very much an attack on science, i think, rachel. you spoke and i think accurately depicted the growing extraordinarily productive relationship that i had with the activists, when they came to me with legitimate concerns. that the federal government,

the scientists, the regulatory enterprise, didn't fully appreciate that you needed to involve them in everything you do. because it was their lives that were at stake. so, i did reach out to them and it turned out to be an extremely productive relationship. they got my attention in a very theatrical, confronted if, i clown classic way. but they were fundamentally good people. they were not anti-science. what is the thread going through what is happening now is very much an anti-science approach. so that is the big, big difference. it is what is. i'm a public figure. i'm going to take the arrows and the slings. but they are just fabricated. and that's just what it is. but will just have to do our jobs, rachel. my job was to make a vaccine and use my institute and the talented scientists that we have there, and that we fund in

the various universities. to get a vaccine that was highly safe and highly effective, and we succeeded. that is what i do. all of the other stuff is just a terrible on -- not happy type of a distraction. but it is all nonsense. >> let me ask you about the point about developing a vaccine, 40 years into your work on hiv and a.i.d.s.. does the development process and the success with the covid vaccines give us -- should that give us any new hope for an hiv vaccine? >> absolutely. absolutely. and that is a really good question. because a technology that were developed, the mrna technology, the success of using a very elegant technique of the confirmation will, correct form of the image in and right form to engage the immune system. to make a good response. you know, it was back and forth,

rachel, what was done with hiv early on, though unsuccessful with a vaccine, went a long way to make success for the covid-19 vaccine. and the technologies that have now been perfected, particularly the mrna technology another vaccine platforms, that were perfected and used in covid-19, i believe strongly will go back and be able to really forward and advance the hiv effort. in fact, there are scientists right now, even as we speak, that are using what the covid-19 effort has inspired us to do, to start working on that for hiv. so, it's just science at its best. you know, contributions back and forth. the fundamental core of it being, the investment that one makes in basic biomedical research. which is really the resounding success story of the scientific

approach to covid-19 vaccines. and has resulted in already, saving millions of lives. >> let me ask you about trying to bridge some of the politics and nonsense, and some of the science that you are talking about. one of the reasons that there is this new uproar on the right, again, i'll be honest in say i don't totally understand it -- but there's a real focus on what the origin story is for where covid-19 came from. and there are these conspiracy theories that rather than being a virus that crossed from animals into humans, like other viruses have, that there was some purposely, dubbed diabolically created virus that was generated in a lab to unleash on the world. as a bio weapon. and that seems to be what's going on in the right right now, in the targeting of you. the scientifically speaking, is it a key scientific factor in coming up with cures, and coming out with vaccines, and

coming up with a final solution to covid-19, to know where it came from? to understand the origins of the virus? >> to understand the origins of the virus, rachel, rather than being contributory to the development of drugs or vaccines, it is more to prevent this from happening again. to understand the origins so that you can be able to be prepared, wherever the origin is. there is this concern, is it a natural evolution, or is it something that happened out of a lab. or at an accident or what have you. it is important to understand that. but it is being approach now in a very vehement way, in a very distorted way, i believe, by attacking me. i think the question is extremely legitimate. you should want to know how this happened so that we can make sure it doesn't happen again. but what has happened in the middle of all of that, i've become the object of

extraordinary, i believe, completely inappropriate, distorted, misleading and misrepresented attacks. which, it is what it is. but it is happening. and that is unfortunate. >> and it is happening at a time when this is not over. the last time we spoke, doctor fauci, it was in march. and at that time, i think the seven-day average of u.s. deaths was about 1500 per day. today, it's less than 500 new cases. back then, we were over 50,000 a day. today, it's around 15,000. obviously all of that progress is due to the vaccinations and due to all the hard public health work that has happened in order to get this far. but are we where you expected us to be? given the progress on vaccine development? are we going slower, or faster than you expected, in terms of the hopefully final resolution to this? >> the implementation is moving

along very well. the science really got us the rapid missed with which we went with knowing the sequence of the virus to actually getting a vaccine into the arms of individuals. it started -- our group started working on a in very early january in collaboration with a pharmaceutical company. in december of that same year, highly effective vaccines way into the arms of individuals. that was really very, very rapid. unprecedented because of the prior investment in basic biomedical research. and the investment, for example, in operation warp speed, which put a lot of money into pre-buying and pre-manufacturing the doses. however, what is going on right now, is the implementation of that result. is getting the vaccine into the arms of people. so right now, today, we have about 50% of the adult

population is fully vaccinated. and a little bit over 60% of the adult population has received at least one dose. president biden has made this eagle, that but by july 4th we get 70% of the adult population vaccinated with at least one dose. i believe that is a doable goal. it is challenging. i believe we will get there. but we even have to go beyond that. one of the things i am concerned about. is that a core of people, who don't want to get vaccinated. we can crush this virus and really put it in the rearview mirror, because we have a spectacular tool that is highly, highly effective. and you know, there are people in different countries of the world who are begging for vaccines. we have as much or more a vaccine than we need. and that is the reason why, now for the next month or two, or

three, we have really got to get people who are pulling back on wanting to be vaccinated, to understand why it is important. for their own health, for that of their families, and also, rachel, for the community. because some of the attitude, that i'm young healthy person, the likelihood of my getting a serious outcome from infection is certainly less than if i were elderly, or if i had an underlying condition. therefore you might get the attitude, so what. i don't want to get vaccinated. who cares if i get infected. but that's really not the appropriate or safe, or correct attitude for the following reasons. one, young people can get seriously ill. and often even even if you have a mild illness, you can get what is called long covid. or prolongation of the put distance of symptoms. but there's another point in there that is important. if you get infected, being

unvaccinated and you don't have any symptoms, it is it all over. because what you might inadvertently and innocently do, is be the vehicle for the transmission of someone else, who might actually get a severe outcome. i don't think anybody intentionally wants to be that vehicle for the propagation of the chain of transmission. you want to be a dead end for the virus. and the best way to be a dead end for the virus is to just to get vaccinated. so you have to think more, not only of your own protection, but being part of the community response to solving the problem. and that is the point we're trying to get across right now. because we really want to get more people vaccinated. more>> it's funny, it's hard to access people to love themselves and take care of themselves enough to do something for themselves. it's actually an easier thing to ask people to love your

family. love your friends. love your neighbors, love your elders, love the people in your life. those are the people you need to do this for. in some cases, that is an easier sell. on vaccines, do you think that we will need booster shots this year? do you think that is something on the distant horizon? or do you think that is something we should be thinking about in 2021? >> i don't know, to be quite honest with you, rachel. i don't know. i believe that sooner or later, we will need a booster. because the immunity might wane and start to trickle down. i don't know right now. none of us know whether it is going to be a year from now, or longer, or little less. what we are doing is we are following two elements. the first is the correlation of immunity. in other words, the laboratory data indicates that is this is the level you need, and you are up here, how long does it take for you to start going back down and getting below the

protective level. this called the correlative immunity. the other element you follow is if you start to see more breakthrough infections among people who are vaccinated. in other words, not as much protection as you are getting. whether that is going to be a year from now, or 18 months, we don't know. but the one thing we are doing, rachel, we are taking it very seriously. and we are doing the clinical trials right now to determine the best approach to a booster. and whether we do that booster 18 months, a year, or whatever, we still are doing this study now to stay ahead of the game. >> doctor fauci, i know you are vaccinated and i know a lot of people trust you personally in terms of the way that you think about yourself and your family on these things. as a vaccinated person, would you feel comfortable getting on an airplane right now? would you feel comfortable even traveling abroad by ear right now? >> yeah. i would feel comfortable getting on an airplane right

now, because when you're vaccinated, you're really quite safe. the airplane now, the rule is people should be wearing masks. which add yet another added element of protection. but being fully vaccinated, people should really feel safe. particularly if you are in an environment in which the level of infection is really very low. but in any event, that is one of the things you tell people. it was really very interesting, rachel, because somehow some of the people that don't want to get vaccinated, they don't want any restraints. they don't want to wear a mask. they want to get back to normal. everybody wants to get back to normal. the easiest way for this country and our community to get back to normal is to get vaccinated. because when you get vaccinated, the virus is going nowhere. we have within our power, we have the resources, we have the vaccine to do it. we could crush this. if we do that. >> doctor anthony fauci, the

director of the national institute of allergy and infectious disease at the nih. doctor fauci, it is on an honor to have this time with you. thanks for being here on a friday night. thanks for your work. >> thank you very much for having me, rachel. it was a pleasure pleasure to be with. you >> we've got more tonight. stay with us. did you know that your toughest cleaning problems can be caused by hard water metals? they lock in residues like a glue, on your hard surfaces and fabrics.

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half of u.s. voters believe that that election was unfair. those are all quotes from one's person speaking today. and this is familiar stuff to us now, at this point. because you expect this language from a lot of american political figures in the republican party to support donald. trump but those quotes today did not come from an american at all, they came from -- uncle vlad. president vladimir putin of russia. who decided to take a significant chunk of time in a presidential appearance today, to wonder out loud about the persecution of the january 6th capitol attackers here in the united states. who after all, were only coming to the capital of what he called, political requests. he defended their actions at length, off of the top of the his head. putin rappelled rattled off the number of people arrested in the connection with the january 6th attack. he rattled off the number of people still being held in prison. he said they were being harshly punished for poorly political

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ground zero in the republican effort to try to unkind the 2020 presidential election. former president trump is reportedly obsessed with trying to undo the 2020 election, in states that he lost. he has been somewhat desperately making the case that all the other states he lost must also do what arizona is doing, to cast doubt on his

loss in those states. to that in, this week, three republican state lawmakers from pennsylvania took a guided tour of the cyber ninjas, arizona recount site. complete with, apparently, step-by-step instructions for how they can do this at home. since biden won in pennsylvania, to. so, that must be clouded somehow. or have suspicions cast on is somehow. the way they are trying our zone. there is republican state legislatures in pennsylvania came back home excited to try to mount the same sort of thing in their home state. obviously you'll be able to guess who else love the idea. the former president today, put out a statement praising those lawmakers by name. calling them great patriots. calling out other republican leaders in the pennsylvania state government, by name, demanding that they, to, agreed to start one of these fake audits. or fake recounts in pennsylvania. actually threatening their reelection prospects as republican state legislators, if they don't go along with his

plan. pennsylvania's attorney general is a democrat named josh shapiro, he responded to this today by something that has the technical political term of calling bull puppy on it. he said today quote, donald trump lost the 2020 election. not only at the ballot box, but dozens of times in court quart. and his lies won't change. that if his he and his crew of dangerous harrisburg republicans try to pull this bs in pennsylvania again, they will have to go through me. and they will lose. again. joining us now is pennsylvania attorney general josh appear. mister attorney general, thank you for taking the time. we appreciate you being here on a friday. nick >> good to be with you. i didn't know you could say bill puppy on cable news. i'm glad to know. [laughs] >> i am willing to endure the fines. i'm willing to do it in order to give the technical term for what you have done today. let me ask about what you meant by two things that you said. number one, you called this a

crew of dangerous harrisburg republicans. what did you mean by dangerous? and what did you mean by they're going to have to go through you? >> look, i don't think we can just simply dismiss these folks as fringe. this is who the modern gop is. certainly who the modern gop is here in pennsylvania. heck, one of those three people who went down there is the leading republican candidate for governor. these are folks who are dangerous. these are folks who are trying to undermine our democracy. these are folks who have no respect for the rule of law. and these are folks who are in charge right now in the legislature. >> in terms of the prospects for what they are trying to do, as you say, these -- this is a fringe idea and a radical thing they are trying to do. but they are not necessarily fringe figures within republican politics. what are their prospects for the state legislature actually trying to do this? >> look, let's go through the

reality. the law afford some state lawmakers and some committees the opportunity to issue subpoenas. but subpoenas aren't fishing expeditions. subpoenas need to be tie to a specific and legitimate legislative purpose. and simply following an order, or being the errand boy for donald trump, is not illegitimate legislative purpose. but were they to go forward and try to issue subpoenas and put on the sham audit like what we are seeing in arizona, they would have to go through me. and my track record of defending the voters here in pennsylvania, and standing up to this bull puppy, or whatever you call it, is pretty darn good. every time we have gone to court we have one. and we have protected voters here in pennsylvania. and i will do it again if i have to. >> let me ask you about the sort of strength of feeling and the strength of commitment on the other side of this among these republicans who want to do it. american oversight, a ethics watchdog group, today they published hundreds of pages of

emails, they got through a public records request, from the arizona cyber ninjas recount thing they're doing there. and it included emails from the republican senate president there who's orchestrated this whole thing, bragging to a constituent about her personal contact with former president trump has been personally calling her and thanking her for doing what they're doing in arizona. she's not only received that direct pressure from donald trump, she's talking about her direct contact with the former president bragging about it to her constituents. how much halved can be brought to bear? how much pressure can be brought to bear by the former president singling out these republicans by name, making a public show of this and pushing them to do it? >> donald trump pulls the strings of a modern-day republican party. certainly the leadership as

well in pennsylvania at least knows who is to be in statewide office, and those have the power in the legislator. donald trump's conduct here conduct is unethical. it's nothing new for the former president it would be an unbelievable unethical for a lawmaker who takes an oath of office not just to the constitution of the united states of the commonwealth of pennsylvania to use their authority as a lawmaker to carry out donald trump's wishes, perpetuate the big lie, to do so not just on the taxpayers time, this election was won by joe biden lost by donald trump here in pennsylvania and rachel we've already had through legitimate audits. augusta comported with the laws here in pennsylvania, and audits that show the results i said before. if they were to go forward with the sham audit they'd have to go through me. they won't succeed and they

will be violating their oath of office and i believe committing a very serious unethical conduct. >> josh shapiro, thank you very much for joining us. it'll be interesting to see how this sort of churn on this continues to develop. i expect in the course of this weekend it's going to get worse. we are drawing a bright line here, sir. thanks for helping us understand. >> thank you. >> up next, there was testimony in congress. from someone who congress has been trying to get to testify for more than two years. it plays an important role in what is going to happen to the former president we. that story is next stay with us. stay with us do you struggle with occasional nerve aches,

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the record had to be created in the mueller report of trump's behavior, including witnesses recollections of his behavior so that could be preserved, and case a future prosecution. the statue of limitations on those potential crimes laid out in mueller's report, that statute of limitations have not run out. in the event today's testimony from don mcgahn results in a referral to the justice department for a potential prosecution of the former president, the statute of limitations would not be a problem as long as it happens fairly soon. we should know fairly soon what don mcgahn told the committee as part of his deal for appearing today. both sides agreed a transcript of today's interview would be released publicly within seven days at the most. at that point we will all be able to see what mr. mcgahn said under oath in his own words. we expect that next week, and the question of next steps will become a very very interesting one.

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this friday night. that's going to do it for us for now. but i will see you again here on monday night. now it's time for the last word. with the great ali velshi, is in for lawrence tonight. good evening, ali. >> good to see you my friend. have yourself an ellison excellent weekend and will see you next. week >> i will, thank you. elie. >> breaking tonight in the criminal investigation of donald. from the new york times reports that a senior finance executive at the trump organization has testified for the grand jury and the manhattan district attorney's office. former -- will join us later to discuss what this means for defended trump. but first, donald trump is a weakened man. no longer in office, no longer protected by presidential immunity. but while the man himself has been diminished, his