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security threat the climate emergency poses. "velshi" starts now. good morning. it is saturday, june 5th. the united states has reached another sad milestone in the covid-19 pandemic. more than 600,000 americans have died from the disease, all in the last 15 months. that far exceeds the failed former president's proclamation that the death toll could be substantially under 100,000 and be closer to 60,000. summoning dr. evil, the disgraced former president says china should pay $10 trillion to america and the world for the death and destruction they have caused. by the way, that was put out via statement, not via tweet since he's still banned from twitter and not even via the trump blog, because the blog was ended after 29 days, leaving us to ponder the question, what was read
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less, trump's blog or trump's national security briefs. trump's $10 trillion hot take wasn't posted on instagram or facebook, because he is banned from those platforms and will remain so until january of 2023, that's according to a new decision from facebook which revealed a new policy with heightened penalties for public figures during times of civil unrest and ongoing violence. trump's two-year facebook ban which began on january 7th due to trump's role in the events of january 6th is part of the new policy. responding via statement, trump called the decision an insult while whining without any irony whatsoever that america "can't take this abuse anymore." two hours after the ban was announced, federal prosecutors announced they expect to charge 550 people in the january 6th attack on the united states
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capitol. nbc news tallies 490 rioters charged so far and more than 130 charged with assaulting or interfering with police officers. 40 of whom are accused of using weapons. while the january 6th insurrection failed to prevent joe biden's rightful assumption of the presidency, the insurrectionist former president has a new fantasy of being reinstated to the presidency by august. this latest authoritarian dream was reportedly put into the former president's head by the foam pillow guy with the attribution of that report being from the foam pillow guy himself. he also advised the former president in january to use martial law as a means of staying in power. and speaking of foam pillows and the former president, here's a thing that actually happened. >> i've been sleeping on my pillows for some time. i love them. simply the very best pillows ever made. i just found out that they also have a wide assortment of other
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incredible products like mattress toppers, sheets, towels and slippers. and more! enter promo code rudy for these new great specials. >> all right. in case you're wondering, that little bit of video came from a one-hour long youtube video on ufos posted by rude rude. in addition to giuliani and mike lindell, the foam pillow guy, one other bumbling buffoon being sued for spreading lies to the election also believes trump will return to power soon. while wearing a biker vest, the lawyer, sydney powell told a bunch of qanon supporters that trump should be reinstated. also at that was was michael flynn. like the foam pillow guy, flynn
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directly advised the former president to impose martial law to stay in power. the former president will speak tonight at the former gop north carolina convention. this dream is being driven by trump's obsession with the sham cyberninja audit and the growing push to have similar audits pushed in other states that trump and the gop loss, including pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, new hampshire and georgia. if you listen to what trump world is saying there should be a coup. trump should be reinstated. if you watch what they're doing, trying to overturn the election results, it looks like the insurrection is not over. like it did not end when the government took back control of the capitol on january 6th. it looks like the attack on american democracy is still being plotted, planned and carried out in front of us. joining us now is congressman stacey plaskett of the u.s. virgin islands. she served as an impeachment manager in donald trump's second
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impeachment trial. she's a former senior counsel to the deputy attorney general in the department of justice. i don't know what to say. you were part of the team that presented the impeachment. you were part of that actual team that laid out the evidence in a world where people still say it either didn't happen or it was blm or it was antifa or they were tourists. yesterday vladimir putin said they were people who had political requests to make. this big lie is not getting smaller. it's getting bigger. >> well, the rhetoric is going on. as you may recall, one of the things that the impeachment managers did discuss was this ideological war that we felt was not going to end. that was one of the reasons that we asked all of those 100 senators to vote to convict donald trump.
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that insurrection was, in fact, treason. it was, in fact, an attempt to overthrow our government. because i believe many of those senators continued to perpetrate that lie, the war continues to go on. the civil war that is an ideological one between a democracy and an you a tock kra autocracy. >> during the trump presidency, those institutions were whittled away and chipped out. there's institutions being whittled away and chipped at in this country that we didn't know could be chipped at. these private audits where ballots, machines are handed over to private companies seemingly to count the votes until one day they change the
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votes. >> right. we're seeing that in states that donald trump won, right? texas is a state he won. yet they're not pleased with the outcome of the election. this is something that we at the federal level, house democrats have fought against by passing hr-1, as well as hr-4. those are laws that would stand as a shield for americans to protect them against the infringement of their voting rights. so we'll have to continue to request from the american people to push against those senators that are fighting and trying to keep that. of the filibuster, which is ironic, the filibuster was created to keep americans from voting, to keep civil rights from americans, now it's being
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used again to keep a democracy from moving forward. >> couple of your colleagues, kristinyrsten sinema, the senat didn't understand that history. as much as we defend the filibuster as a democratic institution, it has more often than not been used in the opposite way. >> sure. of course i understand that. we were members of the house. i understand her moderate leanings. i also understand joe manchin as well and his concern that while the democrats are in power, this is helpful, we want to remove the filibuster. but what happens when the republicans are in power? how will they use the lack of having a filibuster. we're not going to have a democracy if these states are able to continue to do what they
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are doing. of course i'm really excited that jamie harrison and others in the democratic party are making a massive push. stacy abrams and others, to register voters. at the end of the day, in 2022, we all have to come out and vote and in greater numbers than 2020 to remove these legislators from these state legislations which are able to do some of the real damage that they're doing to voting rights and to overturn many of these laws. >> you know, one thing with all of this politics going on, we don't get enough time to talk about policy, you and i. >> i know. >> there's been a budget that's been passed, you've been tweeting about hr-3434. that's the territories health equity act of 2021. it's going to eliminate caps on medicaid funding and cost
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sharing for u.s. territories, bringing places like you represent in the u.s. virgin islands a place of equity. >> yeah. that's so important. thank you for bringing that up. in the past decades, the territories have not received the same share for health care, for our roads, for infrastructure. we've not been part of the formulas like other states. that's led in many instances to the dire financial strait that we're in. puerto rico used the bond market as a means to borrow so they could give health care to many of the citizens of puerto rico, which is why in a great sense they are in the state they are in financially. the virgin islands, because we had a temporary lifting on the medicaid cap and because the federal government for the last two years has said they're willing to treat us the same way as the states, we've been able to put 2,000 more virgin island
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citizens, those living in the margins, to receive health care. so what we're asking for is equity in the same way that the states are treated so that we can build our islands up, so we can be able to not only support our infrastructure and support health care, but so that we can become economically more independent and a much more viable place. >> that's a great goal. good to see you as always. thank you for taking the time to join us early this morning. democratic representative, stacey plaskett. joining me now is the national correspondent for the "washington post," phillip bump. his latest piece is how the pillow guy's allegations are more ridiculous than you may think. thank you for being with us. i always worry about how much air time to give this guy. but it's weird, man. it's just weird. this pillow guy and the stuff he
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comes up with. i don't know what drives him. he seems to have deep pockets and is willing to fund all sorts of stuff. i spend my nights up thinking about pitches that i could have him fun because there's no low bar to what he won't put money behind. >> yeah. that's exactly right. i think without being unnecessarily pejorativepejorat feels passionate about certain issues and has lots of money. he was being sued by dominion voting systems for making wild and false accusations about electronic voting, he's counter suing them, and in his counter suit there are so-called alleged proof of fraud having occurred. they're actually flimsy accusations. one document is a bunch of
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numbers that are randomly generated and proposed as being different machines connected to china and flipping votes. it seems to me like he's being hustled. it's hard to escape that conclusion, but he's willing -- he's stepping forward and saying, hey, come here, help me prove fraud occurred. >> you tweeted that donald trump apparently thinks he not only deserves to be given back the presidency but he will, that's another reflection of his elevating fantasy over reality. with supporters rumbling about a coup, this is a problematic dilution. isn't donald trump saying it's better for me to be president than not president because of his legal troubles, or does he actually believe he won this election because there was fraud in some of these states he lost? >> this is the core question of the entire trump era. to what extent does donald trump believe the nonsense he says. we've seen over and over
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examples where he leverages his false claims to get what he wants and other times it blends into well, maybe he actually believes it. that piece was predicated by a piece in the national view where cook was bagging up maggie haberman from the "new york times" saying trump said he will be back in office by august. and cook said not only is that what trump is saying, but it appears he believes that's the case. so mike lindell has been making this claim for weeks if not months now. donald trump -- lindell's claim is this, he will have all the evidence he needs that fraud occurred. he will take it to the supreme court, which he assumes is like going to the police, you just walk in and they rule, and then by august donald trump is president again. trump seems to believe some version of that. a lot of it is him placating and soothing his own ego. but it seems like he thinks he deserves to have that happen. there's no mechanism for it to happen. there's no reason for him to assume it should. that's nerve been a barrier for
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him in the past. >> good to see you again, my friend. phillip bump, national correspondent for the "washington post." the gop's war on the way we vote continues across the country. we'll dive into the individual efforts and what can be done to fight them later this hour with rafael anchia and in the next hour, with jocelyn benson. arizona has drawn up blueprints for election state audits. tomorrow i will speak to katie hobbs who just announced she will be running for governor of arizona. bill nye the science guy joins me later for a discussion on saving the planet, and exploring infinity and beyond. yeah, we're talking ufos. stay tuned. this is "velshi" on msnbc. all changed ♪ ♪ since you hung around ♪ ♪ but those dreams have remained ♪
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getting into. as we navigated this pandemic we were beset by job loss, isolation, lives disrupted and lives lost. we had no idea how to navigate it. all we knew is we were in this together. now our world is opening and things are getting back to normal but many of us don't feel normal because the pandemic has taken a toll on our mental health. getting back to the before times should help. freely socializing without fear. seeing friends and loved ones who make up our support systems and not being consumed by questions and concerns about a deadly virus, but even in the before times, addressing and nurturing mental health was a weak link in our imperfect health care system. as a society we've had trouble recognizing declines in mental health and erasing the stigmas that surround it. isolation may have worsened mental illness in america, but it's not an isolated problem. according to data from the cdc, 42% of adults reported symptoms of anxiety and depression in
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december of 2020. despite the striking rise in depression and anxiety, millions actually skipped mental health care during the pandemic. the centers for medicare and medicaid services says between march and october of 2020, there was a 22% decline in the number of mental health services utilized by american adults. maybe because they couldn't get the treatment while they were homebound. maybe because many people out of work or don't have health care can't pay for health care. maybe there's a stigma attached talking to your therapist while your family is around. because our society stigmatizes mental illness. mental illness is seen as a weakness or a failure. there have been some changes recently including a provision in biden's $1.9 trillion covid-19 relief bill that sets aside money for treating mental health disorders and supporting the mental health work force. that's a good start. but that's all it is right now, a start. it's time that changed.
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texas democrats are now looking to the federal government to be their final safeguard against an attack on voting rights being waged by state republicans. democrats there successfully blocked the restricted voting bill by walking out of the state capitol last sunday. preventing a quorum so they couldn't move forward with the vote. the dramatic move will likely only delay the inevitable as republican governor greg abbott promised to convene a special session by the end of the summer to pass the voting bill. he said no pay for those who abandoned their responsibilities. the bill would limit early voting hours, install new requirements to mail in voting. texas democrats are hoping for a hail mary from congress if the senate can get it together and pass the federal voting legislation like for the people act which was already passed in the house. as the texas tribune reports,
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despite national democrats desire to do something, the filibuster in the united states senate limits what they can accomplish. joining us is rafael anchia representing the western corridor of dallas county. good to see you again early this morning. where does this bill in the texas legislature stand right now with you and your colleagues having left and prevented a quorum, what happens next? >> well, terrific united effort by democrats both on the senate and the house side. our colleagues in the senate really talked the bill down all night and then it put us in position on the house side to be able to break quorum and kill the bill. it ended the session effectively. we have to wait to see what the governor will do on special session. as you said earlier, he vows to call us back. we'll still have the tools available to us in a special session including the rules, debate, and also potentially quorum break if he brings us
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back. the one thing i want to mention is, you know, we weren't able to get the thousands of texans that we usually see at the state capitol because of the pandemic. this summer is going to be didn't. if the governor wants to call us back, we'll have thousands of texans and the wind at our back to make sure we kill this bill again in the special. >> how do you motivate that action? we've seen it in parts of the country. a fairly mature program develop in georgia, for instance, where the messaging over several years has been they're trying to take your right to vote away or impede your ability to vote. and people -- it became a movement. how do you make that happen and how is that going in texas? it seems that that might be the only help to have people out there in the streets at legislatures writing to their members of congress or state representatives to say don't do this or we'll vote you out. >> the walkout was part one. we're working statewide now to
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make sure people are conscious of the fact that folks are trying to take away their vote. republicans really have been doing this for the better part of a decade. there's been ten findings of intentional discrimination by three federal courts against the texas legislature on voting rights matters. it's baked into the consciousness that these republicans will be doing anything to impede or make it more difficult to vote. we hope and we're working towards it. i know there are town halls around the state. texas democrats are also raising consciousness on this, doing voter town halls. the minute we got back from session. we need to have thousands of texans descend on the state capitol and make sure republicans know this is unacceptable. you mentioned the governor is trying to cut our salaries. that's the executive branch trying to defund the legislative branch. it's another sign of autocracy. the governor knows it's illegal and also unconstitutional. he's trying to keep up with ron
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desantis and his other big-state governors who are in that republican primary lane for president so every time another governor does something, he tries to one-up them and do something more outrageous it will hurt republicans. it will hurt democrats. it hurts the balance of power that is in our constitution, both state and federally. >> you know, there's probably some degree of apathy with people who have never seen their vote or their ability to vote challenged. people like me who walk exactly one block to a polling station that has not been moved, that i can get to clearly. you have people on the other side saying they are trying to sure up support in the voting system by doing away with voting fraud. that silly bumper sticker line does work for some americans. what's your response to people who say all we're trying to do is make voting safer. shouldn't we stamp out any fraud even if it's not widespread as people in your state are
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alleging, counter to actual data that your secretary of state has? >> that's right. you nailed it. the secretary of state said our election was safe, smooth and successful. no evidence of voter fraud. so republicans, i just ask them the same question that they claim to be concerned about in the house, government should only act when -- act narrowly when it sees a problem. especially when you're dealing with a fundamental right like the right to vote, every solution should be narrowly tailored so people don't get left out of the process. they're using a meat axe on the election code here, not a scalpel to the extent they're concerned. you know, the things they say they're worried about are the things that helped people vote during a 100-year pandemic that killed 50,000 texans. there were local elections administrators who said we don't want people congregating in poling locations, do
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drive-through voting. there were administrators saying we need to take care of our essential workers so we'll create 24-hour voting. some people said we don't want people to have to vote in person, we'll let them vote by mail so we'll send them mail-in ballots if they're eligible and they can send those things back by mail. that's what republicans are mainly mad about and they're using this pretext and it's the big lie that arrived at the door of the texas capitol that continues to be pushed forward by not only donald trump but his enablers. >> for people who think that they are supporters of civil rights, this is fast becoming a civil rights issue in the state of texas. democratic state representative, rafael anchia, we'll watch this with you over the coming months. thanks for being with us again this morning. president biden is sending a message to foreign bad actors, if you hack the u.s. government or its private companies you'll pay the price. that's next. 's next.
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in the wake of multiple high-profile ransomeware cyberattacks against companies, the white house is moving to treat them as threats against national security. the biden administration would use its own intelligence agencies to spy on foreign cyber criminals and is contemplating a cyberoffensive, specifically against russia. the new initiative comes amidst a spate of ransomware attacks in the united states including a hack on the colonial pipeline last month and a similar attack against jbs. according to the reports, ransomeware attacks tripled in the last year.
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experts say these hacks cost the american economy hundreds of millions of dollars if not billions of dollars annually and say it's quickly increasing. in order to fight future attacks the administration says it will take a shared responsibility from every-day americans. in the meantime the white house is imploing executives to discuss vulnerabilities and asking them to make sure they back up their data, update security patches often and test their response plans. more jobs but not enough workers. this week's jobs report suggests america's economy is on track for a post-pandemic recovery but the desperate need for workers points to trouble ahead. the good, the bad and the ugly on the economy is next on "velshi." i may not be able to tell time, but i know what time it is. [whispering] it's grilled cheese o'clock. when you buy this tea at walmart, walmart can buy more tea from milo's.
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positive new economic data shows the country as a whole is making its way out of the shadow of the pandemic. the may jobs report, released yesterday, has the u.s. adding 559,000 new jobs, bringing unemployment down to 5.8% for the first time in 14 months. job creation was below expectations for a second straight month, but many economists are applauding the job market gains as promising. i spoke to jared bernstein about how things are trending. >> probably over the past four months since president biden took office this labor market added 2 million jobs to payrolls. that's an underlying pace of 540
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jobs per month. there is no administration that had an opening four months like that in terms of job gains. i think very importantly, you don't always see these two together, we're seeing this strong labor demand met by people coming into the job market and getting some wage bumps. >> the labor demand mr. bernstein mentioned is posing challenges to certain industries. grocery stores, bars, restaurants are struggling in their attempts to hire employees. in some cases forcing delays in openings and expansion openings. to help me put this in perspective, i'm joined by caleb silver of investapedia. give me the good, the bad, the ugly of this jobs report. >> great to be with you as always. as you mentioned there is a push/pull going on in the u.s. labor market. the good news, let's break it down, we did add 559,000 jobs last month. that's almost twice what we read
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added in april. the unemployment rate still 5.8%. still double of february of 2020. wages are growing. they've been growing month after month for the past couple of months for the first time in about 15 years. average wages are up 15 cents in the month of may to $30.33 on average for weekly pay. the average hourly work week climbed to 34.9 hours. people are working harder and making a bit more money. as we know, inside the unemployment numbers is a dynamic that's not so good. and that is the unemployment rate among races, ali, it's still uneven. white unemployment around 5.1%. black unemployment around 9.1%. hispanic unemployment at 7.3%. you see this uneven recovery in the labor market. we saw it many 2000and in 2008 .
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so you mentioned restaurants and bars can't get enough staff, that's true. if we look inside the restaurant industry, 292,000 jobs were added last month in leisure and hospitality. about 198,000 were bars and restaurants. that's where the hiring has been aggressive. a lot of people getting back to work. that said, in the bars and restaurants industry we're still down 2.5 million jobs from february of 2020. that's a lot of jobs. a lot of folks make their living in the restaurant and bar industry. there's 12.5 million americans who used to work in that industry before the pandemic began. a lot of folks are still out. 110,000 restaurants still closed in america in 2020 due to the pandemic. that's a lot of people. we have a lot of long-term unemployed people in the economy, 3.8 million. folks that have been out of work for 27 weeks or more. the longer you're out of the work force, the harder it is to get back in, especially with the
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disruptions that the pandemic brought to american families. if we look inside the labor market, there's more dislocations. you mentioned businesses can't find enough workers. we have a supply and demand imbalance in the labor market. folks in the business community, the chamber of commerce, small businesses say an extra $300 a week in unemployment insurance that states have been giving that the government granted as part of the rescue plant is keeping people from getting out of the house and into the work force. 25 states, mostly republican-led states are canceling those unemployment benefits this month. so that $300 a week will go away for a lot of folks. for the rest, president biden said yesterday, and they said they'll do it, on september 5th, the rest of those $300 a week unemployment benefits go away as well. that may bring people back into the work force and correct some of the supply/demand imbalance, about 14 million people could fall into poverty this year. if you take that money away, it will hurt folks that need that
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$300 a week to pay the bills. other folks, it may force them back into the work force and help companies hire more aggressively so they can work at full capacity. right now we have this tremendous imbalance. it will be solved eventually, but right now that's where we are in the labor market. >> caleb, thanks. caleb silver editor-in-chief at investapedia. coming up, new information about the email records of four "new york times" reporters. the investigation started under trump but it continued under biden. i'll speak to one of the reporters whose phone records was seized. ized ♪ you are my sunshine ♪ ♪ my only sunshine... ♪ rybelsus® works differently than any other diabetes pill to lower blood sugar in all 3 of these ways... increases insulin... decreases sugar... and slows food. the majority of people taking rybelsus® lowered their blood sugar and reached
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bombshell new reporting this week from "the new york times". the biden administration notified four "new york times" reporters in 2020 the trump era justice department had secretly seized months of their phone records from 2017 while trying to uncover who those reporters were speaking to for their stories. the trump administration tried to get hold of their e-mail logs. the following news disclosed by the biden administration that the trump administration seized records from "washington post" and cnn reporters as well. when that news broke president biden condemned the practice of secretly seizing reporters' records and said it would not continue in his administration. >> it is positively wrong. it is simply, simply wrong.
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>> you won't let your justice department do that? >> i will not let that happen. >> but there's a twist in the story, "the new york times" breaking the news overnight that the biden administration continued the trump administration's fight to obtain the times' reporters e-mail logs and fought to keep it secret. quote, the biden administration continued waging the fight this year, telling a handful of top times executives about it but imposing a gag order to shield it from public view. on friday a federal court lifted the gag order which had been in effect since march 3rd, allowing "the times" to release details of the efforts. as for what stories the reporters were covering to gain the attention, quote, the justice department has not said what leak it was investigating but the identity of the four reporters tarted and the date range of communications sought strongly suggested that it centered on classified information in an april 2017 article about hoy james b. comey jr., the former fbi director, handled politically charged investigations during
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the 2016 presidential campaign. joining me now, pulitzer prize winner reporter with "the new york times", one of the four at the heart of the story whose records were seized. quick note, it is not the first time this happened to matt. his records were seized during the obama administration in 2013 when he worked for the associated press. matt, good to see you after so long. thank you for being with us. my producers and i have tried to make this story clear, but there are twists and turns in it. what exactly is this about? >> well, i mean it is about a free press. i mean it is about the fact that the justice department seized phone records showing who i and my colleagues were in contact with for a period during 2017 when we were reporting on the investigation that the justice department was carrying out, both on the hillary clinton
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during the 2016 campaign and obviously early on in the whole russia investigation. so it is about our phone records, and now we found out overnight that it is also about attempts to gain e-mail logs and ip addresses and information that could be used to geo locate our movements or our colleagues' movements. so it is about a free press. you know, it is just really upsetting frankly. >> are they looking for dirt on you or are they trying to figure out your sources? >> well, i mean the justice department, the comment was "we're not investigating journalists, we're trying to figure out who they're talking to." but i got to tell you, if reporters can't speak confidentially to sources, then you are leaving it to the government to decide what you can know and when you can know it. i don't care what political party you are in, that's just bad. that's bad news. think about all of the things we wouldn't know if we had to leave it to the government to decide. sorry, that's classified, you
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don't get to know about drones or secret prisons or russian election interference or hacking or warrantless wire tapping. we'll let you know, we'll let you know when we're comfortable enough to tell people about that. so, you know, again, i don't care where your politics are, this is about a free press. >> the attorney general, merrick garland, law fare blog had an article in which it said citing the pentagon papers ruling that the law must protect the press to inform the people. he took a strong stand if favor of the protections. it was 15 years ago when a nuclear scientist won the right to subpoena information from journalists, garland dissented from that. the current attorney general, different from the last attorney general, seems to their your view about the sanctity of allowing the press to work the way it is supposed to. why then is the current
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department of justice still involved in this search for your details, your information, your e-mails, your phone records? >> the argument for the gag order apparently was if we knew about this investigation that we would try to destroy evidence, which is not only ridiculous because the investigation was public and we wrote about it, just the idea that my colleagues and i were going to try to break into google and delete all bakup tapes or back-up drive of our e-mails is nonsense. the whole thing is preposterous on the face of it. but, again, what is really upsetting is the attack on the independent media. this is the kin of intimidation strawmen around the world do to journalist. when the u.s. reaches in and tries to muck around with the free press it just tells other countries it is fine to do that true. that is certainly troubling. we saw it during the trump
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administration, people took on the whole fake news. you saw, oh, that's fake news became a rallying crime or enemy of the people became a rallying cry for strong men and dictators around the world. so what happens here matters. i think it should be troubling, again, regardless of where your politics are. >> and it sort of doesn't matter whether they succeed. the chilling effect is the chilling effect. if they succeed and throw someone in jail or expose your e-mails, there may be consequences of that. but even if they don't, it makes reporters that come after you to think, i don't want to go down this road in case the government comes after me. >> that's right. there's an intimidation opponent. what is obviously upsetting is the phone companies rolled over and gave the information up. credit to google, which is our e-mail provider for "the new york times", credit to google for fighting this on our behalf and insisting that "the new york times" be notified about this effort when it came to the
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e-mails. but i mean we just shouldn't be leaving it to the tech companies to decide, like, are we going to disclose this, are we not going to disclose this. we shouldn't sort of lurch from one policy to the next, one presidency to the next to decide how the justice department is going to interact with reporters. it is just really upsetting. >> matt, thanks for taking time to talk to us about this important issue. matt is pulitzer-prize winning reporter with "the new york times". there's more ahead. we will deal into the former president's legal trouble. a senior official has testified before a grand jury in manhattan. we will get nerdy with bill nye, "the science guy". we will get from the earth to the great unknown, talking climate change to ufos. you don't want to miss it. another hour of "velshi" begins right now. good morning. it is saturday, june 5th.
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i'm ali velshi. the former impeached president says he will be back in favor. according to gnaw decision from the social media monster, the insurrectionist former president will remain banned until january 7, 2023, a two-year ban in total, as a result of his use of the platform related to the attack on the united states capitol. responding via statement since he is banned from essentially all social media platforms, trump called the decision an insult while whining america can't take this abuse anymore. it comes amid a facebook policy. two hours after the facebook ban was announced federal prosecutors announced they now expect to charge 550 people in the january 6th attack on the united states capitol. nbc news tallies 490 rioters
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charged so far with more than 130 charged with assaulting or interfering with police officers, 40 of whom are accused of doing so using weapons. while the january 6th attack on the capitol failed to prevent joe biden from being inaugurated, in a sense the insurrection continues with the insurrectionist former president reportedly obsessing over the sham arizona cyber ninja election audit, pushing to have similar audits conducted in other states that he lost including in pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, new hampshire and georgia, and having this all serve as a con conduit to being restored to the presidency by august. two came away publicly pushing for a similar ninja audit in pennsylvania. i can't believe i'm saying these words. pennsylvania's attorney general josh shapiro told rachel maddow this last night. >> this is who the

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