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all right, guys. that does is for me. thank you so much for watching at home. the cross connection will be back next week. jason johnson will be filling in for me next saturday at 10:00 a.m. eastern, but stay tuned because my friend alex witt has the latest. the next time you see me i'll be much more brown, sun kissed.
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>> just for the record. i love jason, i know he's your nemesis, but that said i love having him, but you are irreplaceable, my friend. you go enjoy. we'll have a date two weeks from today. safe travels. >> thank you so much, my friend. and a very good day to all of you from right here at msnbc world headquarters in new york and it's just after noon in the east and 9:00 a.m. in the west. infrastructure week is starting to feel more like groundhog day. negotiations between the white house and republicans have hit yet another roadblock. president biden rejecting the latest counter proposal from gop senator shelly moore capito dragging talks into next week, but the clock is ticking. some democrats are warning they might have to go it alone if an agreement is not reached soon. one key democrat says a partisan bill is not an option.
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meantime donald trump is making a return to the political scene. in fact, in just a few hours the former president will be speaking at the north carolina gop convention. it comes as trump prepares to kick off a summer full of campaign-style rallies the first since january 6th, as he teases a potential 2024 run. telling my colleague ali velshi this goes to show the big lie that led to the capitol insurrection is getting bigger. >> that insurrection was, in fact, treason, it was, in fact, an attempt to overthrow our government and because i believe many of those senators continued to perpetrate that lie, the war continues to go on. the civil war that is an ideological one between a democracy and an autocracy. >> a historic giehl on the global scale. the g-7 reaching an agreement to reform the global tax system
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racking a minimum corporate tax of at least 15%. a big win for treasury secretary janet yellen who this morning called the move a significant, unprecedented commitment that will, quote, level the playing field around the world. and new overnight a federal judge in california overturned a 30-plus year ban on assault rifles saying it violates second amendment rights since those same weapons can be bought in other states. the ruling will go into effect in 30 days and the california attorney general is expected to appeal. we'll get you a lot of reaction to that ruling later on this hour for you. let's go in-depth with nbc's monica alba at the white house and ali vitale in north carolina. beyond infrastructure talks at the white house. administration officials and the president touting last month's jobs report. what does that indicate about the state of the economy? >> it was a bit of a mixed bag, alex, after the disappointing april jobs report did show some
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more modest and stable growth and the president is arguing that because vaccinations are up more and more americans are able that get back to work and this latest snapshot did show that the road to recovery still remains quite uneven. >> the economic picture getting brighter, but there's still a long way to go. >> i can't reboot the world's largest economy like flipping on a light switch. there will be ups and downs. >> 559,000 jobs added in may, coming in below the 671,000 economists had forecast for the month, but bringing the unemployment rate below 6% for the first time since the pandemic started. >> we're on the right track. our plan is working. >> white house officials, though, refusing to acknowledge whether extended unemployment benefits may be contributing to some of those sluggish numbers. >> i think that's a difficult thing to analyze given we had created a historic number of
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jobs in the last four months, but employers in the service industry are still struggling to find workers, they say, due to the weekly payments which states are phasing out as early as this month ahead of the august limit. >> it's going to expire in 90 days. that makes sense. >> the clock also running out on infrastructure negotiations as talks get punted further into june. after making concessions on his trillion dollars jobs plan, the president spoke again with shelly moore capito friday who came up with another $50 billion for spending and the white house said that's not enough. press secretary jen psaki saying the current offer did not meet objectives to tackle the climate cliesis and creating new jobs. democrats aren't ready to go it alone. >> right now we need to be bipartisan. i've never seen a pothole that
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had a republican or democrat, and other gop lawmakers on their proposal, alex, that could happen in the coming days, but the only thing that's certain at this point is that none of it is goes to be wrapped up before the president leaves for his first foreign trip on wednesday where he'll be traveling to the uk, belgium and finally switzerland to meet with vladimir putin and of course, the president of russia. a high-stakes overseas trip as these domestic issues continue. >> the timing is guaranteed. thank you very much. appreciate that, monica. let's go on to capitol hill and more on the infrastructure negotiations and we're hearing from more than you heard there from joe manchin and here's amanda golden who is joining us with the latest on all of that. welcome. how is all of this playing out this weekend? >> alex, understandably, this is complicating things for both republicans and democrats on capitol hill with this rejection from president biden to shelly moore capito's proposal even with the additional $50 billion
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in spending for the proposals to tackle infrastructure across the country. that's not meeting the mark for the white house as they full handedly rejected this and say that they are looking for more commitments here to some of the more human elements of infrastructure that they included in the package and to break it down further, that latest proposal from biden, one of the few key things, he wanted a 15% corporate tax rate. that's down from 28% from his initial proposal, but with a commitment of at least a trillion in spending. he's looking to do tougher enforcement on the highest earners across the country and included tax increases and did keep the 2017 tax cut which was established in the trump administration so as not to go through that red line that republican his initially put forward, but biden is also saying now that he'll continue to speak with other republicans and not just shelly moore capito in some of these conversations and that would include senator mitt romney and senator john tesser, some folks who have been having continued conversations about infrastructure with folks
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in the white house. this comes as there is increased frustration especially from democrats over why the white house is continuing to trying to negotiate with republicans on infrastructure when they can continue on using the reconciliation budgetary process to go it alone and use the 51 votes with vice president kamala harris to break the tie and be able to break through a filibuster, but one key senator as you alluded to, alex is senator joe manchin, the moderate democrat from west virginia which we talk about so much and he is not yet onboard for democrats to go it alone and i want to hear more of what he told nbc's garrett haake earlier this week about where the conversations stand between senator capito and the white house. >> i don't think basically it will fall apart, i really don't. she's worked hard and she has a good group around her of ranking republicans and she's part of our g20 group which is the ten democrats, ten democrats. so she's got a good baseline and she's working hard on that thing and no matter what comes, we'll
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meet next week and see where she believes she's at and i'm sure we'll hear from the white house if they're close or if it's doable. >> so as these negotiations continue, it's important to note that that initial deadline from the white house for june 7th for monday to be that initial bench park for when they'll see progress, that is now sliding into july. we don't expect there to be much more that can happen in the next few days and you do expect these negotiations to happen in the coming weeks and the one other point is that house democrats are moving forward in their own likely partisan bill that's scheduled for mark-up on wednesday and that will contain the core elements of what democrats are able to do and that's a deadline for the white house to show that they have results here for bipartisan talks or go it alone. >> indeed. they're covering all their bases at this point. amanda golden, thank you for that. new numbers in the coronavirus pandemic. that's down 35% and the average
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has dropped 94% since its peak in january. just over 63% of american adults have gotten at least one dose of the covid vaccine and that is inching closer to the president's goal of having 70% of adults vaccinated by july 4th. in fact, at least 12 states have reached that goal according to the cdc, and some major airlines are pushing the u.s. to relax more international covid travel restrictions. the heads of american, delta, united, jetblue and british airways are meeting monday to call for the u.s. to remove restrictions between the u.s. and the uk. the restrictions have been in place since march of last year. and new today, an urgent push from the cdc to vaccinate a critical age group, teenagers citing a rise in hospitalizations among 12 to 17-year-olds, nbc's kathy park is following this story for us from new york city. this is pretty extraordinary and frightening for any parent of a teenager to hear right now. what's behind the cdc push?
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>> hey, alex. well, it really comes down to a new stud released by the cdc and some troubling new trends. earlier this year covid hospitalizations among teens were actually on the decline, but then started ticking back up in march and april and you might be wondering what's causing this rise? researchers say it might be a couple of things and covid variants and more students going back to in-person learning and more indoor interactions. >> the head of the cdc doubling down on the need to vaccinate teens saying she's deeply concerned with the rise in covid hospitalizations. a new study shows that in the first months of the year, nearly one-third of 12 to 17-year-olds hospitalized with the virus required icu admission and 5% needed invasive mechanic intervention. >> as cases come down people who are not vaccinated are more vulnerable. that is a product of more sticky variants and some relaxation of
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the actual mitigation measures, meaning we're putting kids into group activities, but not wearing masks. >> according to the study, no deaths were reported and roughly 70% of the patient his one or more underlying medical conditions. dr. rochelle walensky adding that much of the suffering can be prevented informing families to discuss the importance of mask wearing, prevention, and vaccinations. 2,300,012 to 17-year-olds in the u.s. have been fully vaccinated. >> i feel safer now. >> while health officials say severe illness from the virus is so rare among children, at the end of may, they accounted for 24% of newly reported weekly cases. to boost vaccination numbers in the large effort school district in the country, new york city deployed mobile pop-up vaccine sites right to the students. >> we will start this in certain schools around the five boroughs. we will see how it goes and we'll get the most done we can between now and the end of school later this month.
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>> a new push to vaccinate our young people to keep them healthy and out of the hospital. >> and while the focus right now appears to be on those 12 and older, health officials are cautiously optimistic that they will have more information on vaccinating children of all ages before the end of the year. meantime, doctors are encouraging mask wearing for those unvaccinated kids especially when they are indoors. alex? >> thank you for that update, very important, kathy park, appreciate it. >> the former president getting a new chance to be the center of attention in just a few hours. now he says he may run for office, but it's not the office you might think. meanwhile, more grand jury trouble potentially for the trump organization. [sfx: bikes passing] [sfx: fire truck siren] onstar, we see them. okay. mother and child in vehicle. mother is unable to exit the vehicle. injuries are unknown. thank you, onstar.
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convention. his speech comes as he's hit with an extended social media ban and faces criminal investigations into his past conduct. nbc's ali vitale is joining us from north carolina. a big welcome to you. how are the headlines involving donald trump factoring into his speech today? >> alex, i have a feeling we'll hear about them because former president donald trump is back in the political spotlight speaking in north carolina after the long-awaited decision on facebook about his suspension on the platform. former president donald trump blocked from facebook for at least two years. the social media giant tying the ban to trump's role in the deadly riot at the capitol on january 6th saying we believe his actions constituted a severe violation of our rules. the decision will keep mr. trump off facebook and instagram through the midterm elections. facebook deeming the two-year sanction long enough to allow a safe period of time after the
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acts of incitement. trump calling it an insult to the people who voted for him in the 2020 election and stoking speculation about another run for president. referring to the next time i'm in the white house. >> there's likely more where that came froms as trump headlines a gop gathering here in north carolina, still spreading disinformation about the 2020 election he lost with false claims of missing ballots and illegal voting here and though the gop still revolves around trump, that's not stopping other presidential hopefuls from testing the waters. mike pence on the circuit in new hampshire contradicting trump on the january 6th insurrection. >> i don't know that we'll ever see eye to eye on that day. back in d.c., a different litigation of the trump era, this one years in the making. >> it vindicates the congressional subpoena right. that's the main one. >> don mcgahn testifying behind closed doors on capitol hill
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about his ex boss' possible obstruction of justice. he shed new light on several troubling events. even though he stayed mum. >> i'd like to shed light on my eyes right now. >> alex, i am told in terms of trump's remarks tonight some of the focal points are going to be china as well as president biden's time in office and dr. fauci's newly publicized emails about the origins of the coronavirus. the larger question here and this looms over not just this speech, but all of the future speeches that we expect to hear from the former president as he ramps up over the course of the summer are what his future plans are especially as he continues to tease these runs for president. a lot of motivated listeners, including some here. we hear about christy noelle and she's speaking here in just a few minutes. >> there are a list of republicans who would like to
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put up a potential 2024 run. thank you for that. >> new reports today about one of the senior officials of the trump organization appeared before a new york grand jury. jeffrey mcconnie a senior vice president and financial controller who worked for trump for about 35 years is the first employee to testify in the manhattan d.a.'s investigation of the company. the times quoted people with knowledge of the matter adding that a lawyer for mcconnie could not be reached for comment, but joining me now paul butler professor at georgetown school of law and msnbc legal analyst and a former federal prosecutor and good friend to us. thank you for joining me. mcconnie appears to be the person who reports to alan weisselberg. we are familiar with the white house cfo. what do you think the d.a. might have gotten from him? >> this is more evidence that the manhattan district attorney's investigation is heating up. there's been this steady escalation since they finally
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got trump's tax returns in february. the new york grand jury is a very powerful tool because if you get subpoenaed you have to testify, but you also can't be prosecuted for what you tell the grand jury. we know mcconnie was a senior financial officer. he's been with the trump organization for 35 years and since they immunize him they think he's not a big fish and that other people in the trump organization have more criminal exposure. it looks like they're focusing on alan weisselberg because he's been with trump for 40 years. he knows everything, but so far he refuses to talk. >> so let me back up, paul. if you are asked to testify you are offered immunity. so anybody who would be called to testify, would there be any reason to not come fully clean with anything they can possibly say? >> such a great question, alex,
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and yes, if you are fully immunized, if you can't be prosecuted for anything that you tell the grand jury about then, yes, and in fact, back in the day when organized crime was subject to grand jury invest investigations and they would spill it and talk about everything else. most people if you get subpoenaed you can claim the fifth. in new york, you can't, but if what that means is you can't be prosecuted. >> got it. let's look at the don mcgahn situation there, don mcgahn, former white house counsel appearing before the house judiciary committee. they subpoenaed him two years ago to undermine the mueller investigation. what do you think came out of this almost eight hours of testimony behind closed doors? >> don mcgahn was the low-key star of the mueller report.
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he told investigators that trump had tried to hire mueller and then asked his aides to lie about it. so if trump had been prosecuted for obstruction, mcgahn would have been the prosecution's most important witness. trump refused to let mcgahn testify in congress. he made this bizarre claim about absolute immunity. so alex, there's been this pitch battle in the courts which culminated with this deal so there will be a transcript that's released next week about mcgahn's testimony yesterday. >> right. we'll get details with the tran crypt and let me read from jerry nadler. mr. mcgahn testified at length to an extremely dangerous period in our nation's history, in which president trump increasingly unhinged and fearful of his own liability, and mr. mcgahn was distressed by president trump's refusal to
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follow his legal advice. my question to you, paul, the word "clearly," can mcgahn's testimony have an impact on trump himself and to what degree? >>, it's probably too late. he has compelling evidence and it will be up to merrick garland as to whether he wants to bring a case against trump. so far he doesn't seem to show that appetite. if congress had been able to hear this evidence from mcgahn, it might have changed the outcome of trump's first impeachment, what the trump administration did was slow draft this case through the courts so that mcgahn would never have to testify to congress. now, alex, some of the congress people are mad that the courts didn't fast track this case, and so now there's pending legislation that would require courts to accelerate cases involving congressional subpoenas. >> complicated, to say the
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least, paul butler. thank you very much, though. appreciate your time. well, donald trump floated a new idea late yesterday about running for office and only it's not the white house in 2024. it's in 2022. so does he have a chance at being congressman trump? there's even more to it as we'll show you later this headline suggesting it and we'll discuss it after a break. try boost glucose control. the patented blend is clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels. boost glucose control products contain high quality protein and key nutrients to support immune health. try boost. when it comes to laundry, everyone thinks their way is the right way. i wash on delicate. i just stuff everything in. you have to wash on cold, because it saves energy. the secret is, tide pods work no matter how you wash. so, everyone is right. it's got to be tide. ♪ welcome back ♪ ♪ to that same old place that you laughed about ♪ ♪ well, the names have all changed ♪
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trump is once again seeking the public spotlight set to speak at the north carolina republican state convention, but it is just the beginning of the former president's re-emergence on the political scene. he plans to hold more rallies this summer in ohio, alabama, and georgia as he teases another run in 2024, if not sooner. picking up on that now. joining me discuss, zerlina maxwell host of zerlina on
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peacock and curt bardel a and we're trying to hook up elise jordan, a former aide in the george w. bush white house. we're having a little bit of technical trouble and she might pop up. zerlina, as jonathan allen puts it quite succinctly, defeated presidents usually go away at least for a long while. not donald trump. what do you make of his return to the public eye? >> well, isn't this on brand for donald trump not to go away when people would really, really would like him to? i think this say moment that the gop is likely going to regret later. they had a moment in the 24 to 48 hours after the insurrection to distance themselves from donald trump. they've chosen not to do that, and now they're in a position we're heading into the summer the year before the mid-term elections with a president who
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lost the popular vote two times as the de facto leader of the party and so who knows what he's going to say, alex? that's what we're all very concerned about in terms of what he's going to do with the platform and a microphone in front of him. he's going to call the election fraud. he's going to say it was rigged. he's going to speculate that if somehow the sham audit in maricopa county by the cyber ninjas completes and they're not even nearly done that that will somehow overturn the election and put him back into power. it's all delusional, alex. >> i have to tell you even to listen to you articulate that sentence it's, like, oh, my gosh. it's nonsensical. to that degree, in terms of what he will speak about, kurt, trump remains relentlessly focused on the false claim that the november election was stolen from him and is increasingly consumed with the notion that ballot reviews pushed by his supporters around the country could prove that he won
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according to people familiar with his comments. so, look, didn't republicans just vote down a commission on the january 6th insurrection and it was done in part because high didn't want to re-hash the 2020 election. what do you think the odds are that trump gets on stage and does exactly that? is that the best play he's got to maintain power and influence? >> i mean, alex, it's also why reportedly republicans ousted liz cheney from her leadership post because they wanted to what was it mccarthy said? move on, talk about the future and not relitigate the past and the leader of their party, donald trump will use the stage that he has available to him to do just that, to re-litigate the last election, to continue to advance these false and dangerous notions about the integrity of our election, and i'll tell you, alex, i think we've reached the point that we all understand that this isn't something that will go on without any consequence anymore. we saw on january 6th, the
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consequences of rhetoric, of extreme rhetoric, championed and espoused by donald trump about the integrity of our election and when he goes out there and says stuff like he can be reinstalled in august and we should keep counting votes over and over again until he gets the result he wants. he is sending the signal to the same people that perpetrated the insurrection that he wants another one, that it's okay. that he endorses it and we know that it's just not empty rhetoric. we know that people that are in his camp, they don't interpret it as just rhetorical flair. they see it as their marching orders. when donald trump goes out there and creates this, he is creating an environment in which another more violent and deadly insurrection can happen. >> for how long, kurt? maggie haberman is telling a number of people he expects to be reinstated by august, two months from now. that is not possible.
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talk about delusional, right? according to "the daily beast," the person who inspired that idea, mypillow ceo mike lindh elle? does trump suggests he genuinely believes this and if that does not happen in august does that further deflate his legitimacy at least in the minds of some? >> what gives him legitimacy are people like kevin mccarthy, mitch mcconnell, the republicans who on january 6th walked back into the house chamber and still voted against certifying the free and fair election. the same republicans who have opposed a bipartisan january 6th 9/11-style commission to investigate what happened. as long as they continue to violate truth, to violate oversight, to violate the integrity of our democratic process, donald trump is king. his power comes from the republicans who know better and still pander to these dangerous
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extreme, rhetorical fanatics and that's where his power comes from. >> extraordinary. zerlina, i think you touched on this, but i want to delve further into the new nbc think piece arguing that the upcoming rally will help democrats remind voters why they didn't re-elect him. the return of trump's hours' long rambling rallies is an opportunity to remind people that the republican craziness hasn't dialed down a notch since his defeat last year and to remind democrats that they have reason to focus their shared values rather than their increasingly bitter senate fights. so do you think in that sense, zerlina, trump is going to work to benefit democrats? >> well, i think the difference between trump rallies now and trump rallies before is that we have, for the last six months lived with the same president. we don't wake up every single morning wondering what the tweet was overnight or in the middle of the night. we don't worry that he's going to tweet us into an
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international crisis. we don't worry that he's telling us to inject bleach during a pandemic and for the last six months we have, gotten a little distance from our trauma, and the trump era, and i think with that clarity and lens where we can see what it looks like to have a competent, administration at least in terms and most importantly in terms of vaccine distribution and the pandemic and the immediate crisis. i think that that contrast will be beneficial to democrats as they try to craft a message going into the 2022 midterms. i think the best message for democrats is one in which he focused on the things that they're doing with the american people. so i think there's a good argument to say get rid of that filibuster so you can actually do things for the american people. >> that's another discussion, for sure. >> let me ask you about this, zerlina, because trump shut down his blog after 29 days and the reason he did it, low readership
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and low influence and it was essentially his only form of communication to his base after he was kicked off other social media platforms and facebook now saying for two years he's off. what does the failure of his blog say? do you think losing facebook and twitter has taken the wind out of his sails and is it only a matter of time before he recedes into irrelevance? >> i think that he'll recede into relevance to a small minority of the population and that will always be true, but those people are increasingly marginalized and they should be by republican leadership, to kurt's point, i think that he will be long forgotten because he's not forced into our space, right? twitter and facebook allowed him to post and sort of show up on your front doorstep every morning spewing nonsense, right? and now that he does not have those platforms, and you have to go seek out his rambling
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nonsense, there were a lot fewer people that wanted to do that. and so as a former blogger, i have to say it's harder than it looks, and so maybe the president will find another hobby in his retirement. >> we'll see. here's the question we were teasing, kurt and it goes to you, when appearing on a right-wing radio show, and it came from steve bannon originally, that he run for the house in 2022 to try to win the speaker's gavel. he called that so interesting. what's your reaction? >> oh, god. >> that's enough right there. >> donald trump is so -- he's so desperate for attention, he's so desperate to get everybody talking about limb and to me that's what this is. anything that he can talk about and get people excited and agitated about that he'll entertain is just par for the course, if anything, the only reason i can see him running for anything if 2022 is he's scared to death of what his legal situation will be and will use
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public office as a legal shield. that's why he would ever consider doing anything before 2024. >> interesting. yeah. okay. zerlina and kurt, good to see you both as always. i am so sorry we missed elise and she'll be back next week. catch zerlina's show on the peacock network, the choice. for many on the west coast it may have come as a shock, but a judge's ruling overnight involving assault weapon his one governor calling it a disgusting slap in the face. details on the dramatic move next. gillette proglide. five blades and a pivoting flexball designed to get virtually every hair on the first stroke.
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coming up on yasmin vossoughian reports, the special report against trans gender kids. you can watch for that report today at 3:00 eastern here on msnbc. a dramatic decision on gun control in california overnight, a federal judge ruling the state's assault weapon ban which has been in place for 32 years is unconstitutional. judge roger benitez who has favored pro-gun groups in past rulings like the swiss army knife, the popular ar-15 rifle is a perfect weapon for home
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defense equipment and homeland defense. big welcome to you, i don't know if you can pick up on the sarcasm dripping in my reading of the statement there relative to a swiss army knife, but let me just start by acknowledging national gun violence awareness day yesterday. as i ask you about this ruling which came on this awareness day. it feels incredibly disrespectful to everyone who has died. all their loved ones who have suffered from gun violence. judge benitez says i base this decision that assault weapons are common low allowed in most other states and by the u.s. supreme court it's allowed, as well. what do you make of this ruling? >> i'll be honest with you. it hurts. it hurts. i feel it in my bones it's an insult to me. it's an insult to all of the survivors on brady's staff. it's an insult to people like fred and jen guttenberg and their son jesse who lost jamie. it should be a family of four,
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and it is, for them, but one of them is missing and it's because of an assault-style weapon, so to compare this weapon that is designed for one purpose and that is to kill as many people as quickly as possible, that's what it was designed for. it's based on the m-16, some people want to argue that and i would call your attention to brian mast who is a veteran in congress, his article about the ar-15. this was a weapon of war designed to kill as many people as possible and to compare it to a swiss army knife is to deny the reality that we lose 100 people a day from gun violence and that there are families who have to live with the agony of not having a member of their
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family with them, because we have not properly grappled with one basic fact. we have the right to live. we have the right to drop our kids to school and go to the movies and go to synagogue and go to walmart and not get shot in a mass attack and that's what this weapon is designed for. so it's an insult to me and it's an insult to all americans. >> but then again, judge benitez says one more time, it's a perfect combination of home defense weapon and homeland defense equipment. anyway -- so we look at gun violence, as you know, it is surging here in the united states, rather, the gun violence archive counted more than 600 mass shootings and compare that to 417 in 2019 and so far this year there have been over 200 mass shootings and more than 8,000 people have died. stunning. what is behind the increase?
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>> against the backdrop of the pandemic, alex, we've seen a 64% increase in gun sales across this country. just imagine that, and of course, we've had bankrupt morally and national national rifle association to ensure all gun stores across the country remained open even while state closure orders were in effect. they took that to court because the bottom line is this, alex, the national rifle association which represents the gun industry not average, everyday gun owners wants to sell as many guns as possible to as many people as possible no matter the cost, and they thrive on fear. so coronavirus was their great incubator to push sales all across this country, and i'm very concerned. not just about this horrific ruling that we talked about before, but let's keep in mind,
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two-thirds of gun deaths in this country, we lose 40,000 americans a year to gun violence. no other industrialized country in the world has that kind of carnage and allows it to continue, but we have guns in homes and unless we safely store those guns and end family fire, the people who bought guns during this pandemic thinking that it would protect them, those guns are going to be the guns that end up killing them, a family member or someone coming to visit in their home and if i can just say one thing to all of america, please, if you have a gun in the home, safely store that gun, lock it up. end family fire in the home. we have to do that. that's what this month is about is making sure people understand. this isn't anti-gun, this is about human life and about people we want with us every day and it's a preventable tragedy,
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alex. we can stop it. >> do you think -- amen to everything you just said, by the way, chris. do you think that this judge's ruling will be overturned on appeal? >> yes. just like his other ruling in which he attempted to overturn california's law with respect to high-capacity magazines and that was overturned by the 9th circuit. look, we have a real issue for our movement, alex and i'll be honest, every person listening to this, has to understand you need to get out and vote and make sure your voice is heard. brady is a non-partisan organization. our issue is gun violence prevention and this will probably get appealed to the supreme court. if you care about your family, if you want to feel safe in your community, we all have to be very focused on this issue. there's so much happening and
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this is just the beginning in a much larger fight. >> kris brown, it is always an honor for you to come and talk to me and thank you so much. a battle is erupting in one of the world's most beautiful cities and a return to cruising. that's next. wanna grab pizza? bad move, guys! get a freshly made footlong from subway® instead! like a classic italian b.m.t.® stacked with fresh veggies. there's a subway® three blocks from here! choose better, be better. and now save when you order in the app. subway®. eat fresh.
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cruise liner to show the disappointment that they are back since the pandemic. on the other side you have the giants of the seas, and the cruise liners that sail past this canal and this is one of the main canal on its way to the port. what the protesters say when they pass through venice, these cruise liners move an enormous amount of water that erodes slowly the canal floor and they crash against the foundation, the underwater foundations on which this city was built upon, very fragile and i spoke to one of the protesters who is an american. she is an american who has lived in venice for 25 years and this is what she has to say. >> it's not just a problem for venice, it's a problem for the whole world. cruises are causing damage throughout the world, and we hope that the venetian cause will make them re-think their
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whole approach to the business, the travel business, the holiday business. >> not everyone in venice, alex, is against the return of the cruise liners now. the port authority told us today that the 3% of the gdp of the city depends on the business of cruises and also there are 4,000 jobs mainly, port workers, who depend on the cruises to be back. so very divisive issues right now. >> seeing a cruise ship against the antiquities of venice, it just doesn't sync up culturally speaking, but i understand what you're saying about the money and the income that it generates. claudio, thank you very much for that. >> and we have this breaking news from the white house about a new record that's affecting the lives of more than 30 million americans.
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u.s. officials are facing pressure to respond to cyber criminals after a recent string of ransomware attacks on the u.s. it is proving to be a difficult task so far with the fbi director comparing it to investigations launched to confront terrorism after 9/11. nbc's tom costello has more. >> reporter: amid growing cyber attacks against tv stations, food and fuel suppliers, hospitals, water systems and all levels of government, the fbi
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confirms to nbc news it's investigating 100 different types of ransomware attacks, many originating from russia. the deputy attorney general -- >> we cannot give any quarter and no country should be harboring criminal actors of any type. >> ibm cyber force runs a cyber threat assessment showing the russian criminal gang claimed revil for the meat producer jbs earned $123 million in ransom last year, a revealing glimpse of the online negotiations between hackers and victims, companies and charities large and small. in one exchange a company pleads my bosses have told me they can offer $730,000. they said if we had to pay any higher we would not be able to pay our employees. the hackers respond, provide supporting information that your company is in a financial hole and we will review your price. the employee replies, but all of our systems are down and are not sure how we would provide that
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information. in another, a charity that's been hacked pleads, please, if you can decyst and allow us to continue our work? >> the hammer agrees only after receiving proof of the charity's work. >> the average initial ransom demand $5 million, two-thirds of victims pay the ransom to get their account bag back. >> this they have a negotiation department and a customer service group. should the u.s. retaliate against the russian government? most experts warn that would lead to a dangerous game of escalation. the u.s. turns out the lights in st. petersburg, russia turns off the light in chicago. >> we don't think we should punish the russian people for what criminal russian actors have done to us or what the russian state has done to us. >> that was nbc's tom costello reports there. tom adds that cyber experts say the u.s. can target and disrupt criminal systems in russia, china and elsewhere.
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