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our a republican party that has not lived up to that. we are waiting for trump's taxes. ron takes campaign contributions from millionaires and billionaires that are not ethical and goes against even what people in our state are looking to do. i applaud the republican party for doing a witch hunt against me. that's what we will see, a witch hunt going against what they believe in all the time. >> thank you. good luck. that wraps up the hour for me. i will be back next saturday and sunday at 3:00 p.m. eastern. i want to turn it over to reverend al sharpton. good evening and welcome to "politics nation." tonight's lead, scorched earth policy. right now, donald trump's republican party is writing the next chapter of his big lie, or
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perhaps more accurately, they are rewriting the lie so that it sounds more legitimate than what it always has been, tacit voter compression to go along with the explicit legislative kind that the gop is pushing in almost every state. plus, there's the added benefit of remaining politically aligned if not adjacent to trump. after a day's long audit of arizona's general election results, they found not a shred of evidence of voter fraud in president biden's favor. the nonsense is being exported to georgia, wisconsin, essentially everywhere that people of color are baseline democrats were central to trump's defeat. since that was historically sound and geographically diverse, so, too, is the
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weaponization of grievance that gives us the trump white house and the gop that refuses to quit its ghost. if nothing else, the biden white house recognizes the danger. tapping vice president kamala harris to oversee the executive response to it. she will face a daunting challenge from this political insurrection from the right, while congressional democrats remain inert over arguments about procedure and tradition. and their voter protection bills either languish in the senate or yet remain to be taken up. joining me is josh shapiro, the attorney general of pennsylvania. ag shapiro, nearly every state undergoing this.
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in the case of states like georgia, both. now republicans in your state, some of whom visited the arizona audit, may be attempting to replicate what they saw there. in your state's case, there are some gop leaders basically saying, enough is enough. not here. what's your take on this, sir? >> we really have become the epicenter now here in pennsylvania. it's a continuation of the work they have been trying to do over the past year. remember, just prior to the election, there were 19 different lawsuits that were filed to make it harder for people to vote. we beat back every single one of them. after the votes were cast, there were more than 20 lawsuits filed to make it harder for certain people's votes to count. now what you are seeing is a continuation of that effort to try to make it harder for people to access the polls and to go back and relitigate an election
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that was safe and secure here in pennsylvania that joe biden won and donald trump lost. let's be very clear. let's speak some truth here. they're not trying to make it harder for people who look like me to vote in pennsylvania. they are trying to make it harder for our black and brown communities to be heard at the ballot box. this is central to our democracy. this is central to who we are as americans. we cannot allow voting rights to become a partisan exercise or a partisan errand for donald trump. >> we had the wisconsin attorney general with us last night on this show as he faces a push for one of the false audits in his own state. are you aware of or participating in any concerted effort by state attorney generals to push back against these fake probes? >> i talked to my fellow attorneys general all the time, including the general from
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wisconsin. let's talk about what's happened in pennsylvania. after the votes were cast and tallied, we had two separate audits in pennsylvania. nearly every one of our 67 counties went through a full audit. in addition to that, by law, we are required to go over 2,000 ballots in each and every county to make sure that there were no issues. in fact, there were no issues. what they are talking about bringing here to pennsylvania, what they're doing in arizona right now, is a sham. let me be very clear. if these lawmakers try to do here in pennsylvania what they are doing in arizona, they will have to go through me, and they will lose. they will not succeed in overturning the election or undermining our democracy. >> what kind of help do you need? what are you hoping to see come out of this white house initiative on voting rights announced last week to be led by vice president kamala harris? where do ags of -- state ags
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need executive assistance while congress fights its own fight over voter protection bills? >> i'm so happy the vice president is leading this effort, that she's been tapped by the president to do it. i've been friends with the vice president for more than 15 years. she's obviously up to the task. she understands these issues in her core. i would just say that right now, these voting rights battles, they're happening in the states, not in washington, d.c. this is where the litigation is happening. this is where they are trying to pass the same bills they passed into law in georgia and texas and elsewhere. they're trying to do it here in pennsylvania. they're trying to do it in other states. we need to make sure we battle it back at the state level. thankfully, we have a democratic governor here who would veto any of those bills if they ever made it to his desk. the battle is in the states. what i need right now, number one, is strong support from the vice president, which i know we will get. number two, i need to hear from the american people. the american people need to speak up.
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they need to contact their state lawmakers. they need to know if they are functioning on behalf of our democracy. we can't have honest debates over infrastructure, tax policy, health care policy, you name it, if at the end of the day certain voices aren't going to count in our democracy. right now here in pennsylvania, you have the leadership of the republican party, the people who are -- the leading statewide candidate saying that they want to do donald trump's bidding and make it harder for people to vote. people of pennsylvania, people across this country need to rise up and say they're not going to take it. >> as state attorney general, would you block in any electoral audit, if republican lawmakers ultimately attempt one? >> sure. >> what are your options for doing so, mr. shapiro? >> sure. as we talked about before, we
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have had two legitimate audits based on the law. if lawmakers in harrisburg try and do what they're doing in arizona, just to carry out your question here, they would, in theory need to use their subpoena power in order to subpoena the counties to get access to some of the ballots. i would expect that that would be litigated. you should expect -- the american people and people of pennsylvania should expect, i will fight against that. when i go to court to defend the rights of the voters here in pennsylvania, i win. i will win again if we have to to defend our democracy. >> all right. thank you, attorney general josh shapiro. joining me now is my panel. maya cummings, founder, president and ceo of global policy solutions, and the former chair of the maryland democratic party, and david jolly, former republican congressman of florida and an msnbc contributor. the former president is resuming
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his public events. starting in north carolina last night. ahead of that appearance, the rnc sent out a video of trump in which he said, quote, we are going to take back the senate, take back the house, we're going to take back the white house, and sooner than you think. it's going to be really something special. given reports of a conspiracy theory that trump is aiming to be somehow reinstated in august and the violence that occurred in january after his incitement, how worried should we be about this behavior by the former president? >> we should be very worried. i believe what the republican party and the former president are engaged in is not just an attempt to undermine our democracy. they are seeking to rile up their base for political partisan purposes in the midterm elections. they keep stringing them along with -- by the way, with tactics
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that are reminiscent of psychological operations that are used by the military to basically influence and misinform people using certainly lies and conspiracy theories. they are riling up their base so that they can get them to be attentive and proactive when it comes to the midterm elections. they are undermining our democracy and people's belief and faith in the institutions of our government. that's a dangerous game that they are playing, strictly for partisan purposes. >> west virginia senator joe manchin published an op-ed in his hometown paper this morning, all but killing any hope the for the people act will pass. he will vote against the bill because republicans refuse to support it. he will not consider any reforms to the filibuster.
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>> i don't know that i'm smarter than senator manchin. but i'm smart enough to know the difference between an up and down vote and a filibuster. what he is doing is continuing to filibuster the vote and the debate rather than allow limited debate and set a date. that's what we are trying to do. please, mr. manchin, vote to limit debate so we can set a date and have an up and down vote on whether or not we will have a continuation of voting rights in this country. >> by way, i might add that civil rights leaders meet with senator manchin and labor leaders, i believe he has agreed to do so. david, what happens now in your opinion? >> the for the people act is likely dead now. you would have to see something emerge like on the
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infrastructure bill where manchin and romney and perhaps others reach some type of deal that's good. the intriguing thing about senator manchin's op-ed in the state newspaper in west virginia was his lack of reason. he said i'm opposed to it because not enough republicans support it. what we are seeing in place is west virginia politics. donald trump beat joe biden by 40 points, 40 points in 2020 in west virginia. joe manchin, a democrat, narrowly won by only three points when he was last on the ballot in '18 in a blue wave year. if joe manchin is to run in 2024, he will be on in a presidential cycle where even joe manchin, he would face a very uphill battle in a deep red west virginia in 2024, which is why he basically admitted, i'm
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not going to support the for the people act because republicans don't want me to. >> joe manchin's stance on the filibuster is to stick to the status quo. the filibuster only benefits republicans at this point, since they eliminated its use for their own priorities, cutting taxes on the wealthy, which may be done through budget reconciliation and confirmation of judges after republicansphil busters. they are engaged in asymmetrical warfare. republicans are willing to do anything by all means necessary to get their agenda in place, to get their people in place.
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democrats on the other hand have been wary of using hardball tactics to advance their agenda or protect their agenda. we see that happening now. certainly, there's a lot of leverage that biden and the other democrats in the senate have with senator joe manchin, if you consider the bills being considered that are important to him. one needs to wonder whether all those mechanisms and levers have been pulled. with that, joe manchin is absolutely engaged in the politics of personal observation right now and not necessarily thinking about the larger democraticnterprise. >> this week, the arizona secretary of state called the sham audit in the state, quote, prime for cooking the books. david, would similar audits on the horizon in multiple other controlled states by
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republicans -- is cooking the books the goal here? >> yeah, it absolutely is. even if donald trump is not the next candidate. this is baked into the platform, that election rigging will be part of the gop strategy and part of gop doctrine. you hit on something very important about what's happening in these states. while we focus on voter suppression, the suppression of the individual ability to use mail ballots or the reduction of drop boxes, that's true voter suppression. we need to focus on it. hopefully, the federal courts will intervene in a number of states. there's another thing going on, which is the removal of power or the limitation of power of traditionally administrators, secretaries of state, supervisors of election. in texas, a court can invalidate the election, even without proof there were enough votes that would have gone the wrong direction or the right direction to change the election.
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the removal of authority from traditional administrators of elections is also a prime goal of republicans in this moment. >> last question, the non-partisan american society of civil engineers graded u.s. infrastructure at an average of c minus and crumbling schools, roads and bridges exist in blue and red states. the biden administration is making a push on its infrastructure bill this week. is there common ground here? >> absolutely there's common ground. i think the biden administration needs to be wary about the republicans roping them, forcing them into a time crunch that will make it impossible to actually pass. that being said, i do think that there's serious republican interest on the gop side of the aisle and that there's the possibility of getting something done. the biden administration has to be absolutely clear that they
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have to have a hail mary pass solution for this if it turns out they are being led into a political trap. get this. the c minus is an average. that means that there are roads and bridges out there with an f rating and a d rating. we have children and families that are crossing these roads and bridges every day. this is serious business. the biden administration has, i think, certainly the tools to get it done. let's see if it happens. >> those are life-threatening structures, by the way. thank you both. coming up, why it's time to rise up and abolish the death penalty. later, faith leaders are fighting back in the war on voting rights. i will be joined by four of them in just a bit. first, my colleague richard lui with today's other top news story. good sunday to you. some stories this hour.
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vice president kamala harris is en route for guatemala. her first foreign trip had a technical snag. the plane had to circle back to joint base andrews so she could board a new plane. the problem does not appear to have e her safety. jill biden and dr. fauci stopped by a vaccination clinic this afternoon in harlem. they want all americans vaccinated, particularly minority communities that were hit hardest by the virus. the duke and duchess of sussex announced the birth of their daughter. it's the second child for them. the baby's name is lilibet, named after the queen. her middle name, diana. more "politics nation" right after the brak. cs nation" right after the brak
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want to talk about capital pup punishment in america. it's perfectly legal in 24 states and as a punishment for some federal crimes. while the constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, what qualifies as such is left to interpretation. this week, two death row inmates in south carolina have sued the state for its new law, changing the method of execution from lethal injection to a choice between firing squad and electric chair. in arizona, correction officers have refurbished a gas chamber and have purchased the necessary chemicals to produce the same lethal gas used by nazi germany during the holocaust.
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while those methods might seem particularly barbaric, the truth is that lethal injections are even worse. more than 7% of lethal injections in the united states have been botched. witnesses to these botched executions have reported inmates thrashing in pain and struggling to breathe for over an hour. like many other facets of the criminal justice system, the application of the death penalty is racially biased, anti-black and rooted in white supremacy. black defendants are more likely than any other race to be sentenced to death. the race of the victim sometimes matters even more. according to reporting from the ap, since 1972, 295 black defendants were executed for killing a white victim but only 21 white defendants were executed for killing a black
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victim, even though black people have disproportionately the victim of crime. the modern practice of capital punishment grew out of lawless lynching under jump crow. professor koch described the practice in north carolina as, quote, another tool of the mob aimed at terrorizing black communities and making a show of protecting white people from their black neighbors. that racist history lives through capital punishment to this day. of the 11 former confederate states, only virginia abolished the death penalty. it did so only this year. studies consistently show that the death penalty does not deter crime. that it is more expensive than even life in prison. and that it is applied unjustly across racial lines.
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welcome back to "politics nation." before states like texas and
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florida began their apparent competition for the most voter suppressive state in the union, georgia was point zero. in two days, a cross-section of the black faith leaders will rally at the state capital in protest of what's happening across the country. in advance of a congressional vote on the voter protection bill named for one of georgia's most famous sons, the late congressman john lewis. joining me now are bishop jackson and reverend bryant, timothy mcdonald and lee may. as i should say, georgia was really the first shot fired in this war of voter suppression. for many, a measuring stick for
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how sincere lawmakers and the business community are about respecting and protecting voter rights, specifically for people of color. bishop jackson, you came on the show and opened it up about this discussion here. what is the message you intend to send on tuesday during your rally at the georgia state capital? >> good being with you, reverend sharpton. our message is that blacks do not intend to sit back, do nothing and let this legislation pass. number two, there's going to be to send a message not only to georgia but the nation that black votes still matter, number two, this democracy matters and just as blacks turned out if large numbers in november and in january in georgia, we are going to do everything we can to make sure that vote is not diminished but even more to enhance and
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make more accessible the right to vote in georgia and across the country. >> brothers, i want to talk legislation shortly. ultimately, the only voter protections we have truly had came through federal action. for the people act appears doomed in the senate as it stands. votes even on the democratic side just not appearing to be there after what senator joe manchin of west virginia announced this morning that he will not support it. which leaves the john lewis voting rights advancement act as perhaps the next viable legislative option to strengthen protections. i understand at least part of the rally's focus will be generating support for the bill as congressional democrats try to get a vote on this. reverend bryant, do i have it right? >> reverend sharpton, as always,
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you are right on target. dr. king said, just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right. as a consequence, we are raising our moral thought with 1,000 pastors coming to the capital on tuesday at 12:00 noon to bend a knee. realizing this is spiritual warfare. odds are against us. we believe the power of the people will not be denied. >> the problem, reverend mcdonald, it deals with going forward, not with what's going right now and retro, in the past, which is the senate bill. given you are all sons of georgia, home to martin luther king, junior and john lewis and others to mobilize around voting rights and civil rights, i want to hear why you feel the need to get involved to lead in this secular fight. we have done some together.
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why now are you feeling compelled? >> it's time for the black church to take its rightful place again. it is right now. 47 states are introducing this voter suppression bill. john lewis was an icon. dr. king a son of georgia. it's time for the black church to rise up and to make sure we are not supporting any party, we're not supporting any candidate. all of the work that we are doing is from a spiritual perspective. voting is the right thing for all americans. it doesn't matter what your political persuasion might be. only the black church can legitimately make that claim. so we are excited that black leaders and black denomination, male and female, clergy, faith leaders are coming together to send a message to our governor, our senate and to our legislature that we are not going to sit back. we hope other states around the
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country will heed and hear the message of the black church in georgia. we ain't going back. no way are we going back. >> pastor may, your state voted for joe biden. democrats won both senate races in 2020. why are you so concerned about the midterms in 2022 and voter suppression? >> we believe the vote is sacred. when the governor here in georgia and other leaders on the republican side talk about this quote unquote election integrity, we realize that they are talking politics. we are not talking politics. we are talking people and the core values of this nation. we have to fight for that. when we held our first press conference, the governor said, the liberal democrats will do anything to get democrats elected in november. my response to him was, governor, you just don't get it. you are talking politics. we are talking people. we have to protect the very
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right. this is a righteous fight that we are taking on. we have to protect that at all costs. we win when greater numbers of people come out to vote. this is not about democrats or republicans. this is about people having access to the ballot box. >> let me -- i'm out of time. let me go back to you, bishop jackson. this is a moral issue? >> that is correct. it's a moral issue. it's a matter of preserving our democracy. our democracy is at risk. it's unfortunate that our democracy would be at risk over a big lie that an election was stolen. it's more unfortunate that you have politicians who are putting party above country. for us, this is what we consider to be kingdom work. we are going to make sure the will is done on earth as it is in heaven.
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while the george floyd act remains stalled in congress, qualified immunity seems to be at the heart of the country's police reform debate. it is defined as immunity for law enforcement for acts that violate civil rights in certain circumstances. but in communities of color, it simply means that the pursuit of justice and accountability seems nearly impossible. while lawmakers are divided over the judicial doctrine, two actors outside of washington are being loud and clear. end it now. let me bring in ben cohn and jerry greenfield, co-chairs of the campaign to end qualified immunity. you may better know them as the founders of ben & jerry's ice cream. ben, let me start with you. you were quick to call out
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qualified immunity following the death -- murder of george floyd. in a statement the company you co-founded called qualified immunity, quote, a racist policy. you chose to call a spade a spade during a time when police community tensions were at an all-time high. tell us why. >> well, you know, qualified immunity is the reason that we have seen all these cops on video that have brutalized and abused and killed unarmed black people. it's the reason why they get off scott free. it's crazy. it drives me crazy. it drives us crazy. you know, we are white guys. it's white people who have the power in our society. we are the people who hire the police to protect and serve and
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then arm them. and we are watching them kill unarmed black people before our very eyes. and then we let them get away with it. you know, it's -- if it was white guys dying, it probably wouldn't be happening. or white guys probably wouldn't be getting shot. >> it's effective when you say it. when i say it, they say, we are agitating. jerry, just earlier this week, you joined a diverse group of lawmakers, former law enforcement and families affected by police brutality in the capital in new york to demand real police accountability in your state. what does that look like under the campaign you co-chair? >> as ben said, we are looking to end qualified immunity. it has actually now been ended or limited in colorado, new
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mexico, massachusetts, connecticut and new york city. there's legislation at the federal level, as you said. we were just in new york for legislation at that state level. there's legislation in california. this is something that is happening all across the country, because it is essentially unjust. it's a get out of jail free card for bad cops. when you talk about the justice in policing act, there will be no justice unless we get rid of qualified immunity. >> you need to hold cops accountable. you can make new rules you want, any rule changes, require whatever you require of them. but if you don't hold cops accountable, it doesn't really matter what you say. >> this is what many of the families are saying. it's a goal that your campaign is putting pressure on the biden
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administration to end qualified immu immunity. you wanted it in the first 100 days. being that we are clearly past that deadline now, how do you hope to see the white house address police reform, ben? >> well, i believe that this legislation is imminent. my understanding is that the white house is in favor of overturning qualified immunity. we expect that the senate is going to start listening to the will of the people, at least if the people make their will known. the way to do that is to call the capitol switchboard at 202-224-3121 and tell them you want to talk to your senator's office. this is the very time that your voice counts the most. >> jerry, i mentioned the george
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floyd justice in policing act remains stalled in congress. some house progressives urging them to end qualified immunity in the bill. those on other side of the aisle, even some in the democratic party, are skeptical on that particular point. why do you think lawmakers are skeptical to act on this issue? what's your message to them to get this done? >> you know, they are concerned this is an anti-police bill. it is not anti-police. it's pro good policing. it's about accountability for police. police should not be above the law. most police serve with dedication and kindness. but not all do. at these political levels, these political negotiations they are involved in political expediency and horse trading. this is not about that. this is about real human lives, black and brown people who are
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being disproportionately brutalized and killed. we need to have justice for people and accountability for the police. >> there's people from republicans, there's libertarians, the cato institute, the institute for justice, are all in favor of overturning qualified immunity. >> my thanks to both of you. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. ts stay with us and take. it. on... with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some, rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. that's rinvoq relief. with ra, your overactive immune system attacks your joints. rinvoq regulates it to help stop the attack. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections,
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june is black music history month in the united states. and certainly, it is not for blacks only. black music has really changed, transformed, and elevated the music in this country in every genre that you can think. i have been blessed in my life to know three of the giants of the black music history. i knew james brown, the godfather of soul, who personified soul music and r&b music and was the godfather of funk. he was like a father to me. i knew the king of pop, michael jackson. who raised music to a whole other level of mainstream acceptability and was one of the greatest performers that ever lived. he and i worked very closely
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together. i spoke and did a eulogy at both mr. brown's funeral and michael jackson. and i knew the queen of soul, one of the greatest female vocalists of all time, aretha franklin, the queen of soul. mr. brown and michael jackson never lived to see the show, but aretha franklin was a fan of the show and came and did it twice for me as we worked together on many civil rights causes. here's what i asked her about her epic song "respect" on the show. >> did you have any idea when you recorded respect that it was going to -- >> no, i really did not. i did not. i did not have any idea that the civil rights movement would have got that as its mantra. >> that wasn't what you had in mind. >> no, to begin with. mine was more about a relationship thing, was where i was coming from. a man to woman, woman to man. and just people generally who want respect.
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even children want respect in their own small way. >> black music was used to inspire us from the days of slavery, from reconstruction, through jim crow, through the civil rights movement, on up to now. it has been expressed from jazz to blues to gospel to rhythm and blues, to soul, to rap, to hip-hop, and many variations in between. it tells the story of a people that had found a way to express themselves even under the most dire circumstances, almost soul and much to the point of being able to transform music all over the world. this month, do what the queen of soul said, give black music some respect. here is some of your favorite hip-hop music renderings.
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that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next weekend at 5:00 p.m. eastern. my colleague alicia menendez picks up our news coverage now. >> good evening, everyone. welcome to "american voices."
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i'm alicia menendez. we begin with a brand-new bombshell by a democrat. senator joe manchin today dropping an op-ed making the case for why he opposes voting rights legislation in the senate and why he opposes reforming the filibuster rule. writing, quote, i believe that partisan voting legislation will destroy the already weakening binds of our democracy, and for that reason, i will vote against the for the people act. furthermore, i will not vote to weaken or eliminate the filibuster. he later went on fox to further explain himself. >> i think it's a wrong piece of legislation to bring our country together and unite our country. i'm not supporting that because i think it will divide us further. i don't want to be in a country divided any further than i'm in right now. >> manchin's revelations are not sitting well with members of his party. here's a bit of the reaction we have seen today here on msnbc. >> please, mr. manchin, vote to limit debate in congress so we can set