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can you only take one gallon of milk. you know, thank god i'm a calm person. if i wasn't, you could see it could have gone a different way. >> doctor, thank you for all of that important context and i, of course, will be repeating them to just let it go. that is all the time i have for today. i'm going to see you back here next weekend for more american voices. for now, i hand it over to meti hoffman. >> hello. i'm getting stressed thinking you about getting to the gate five minutes before a flight. i still rush. i still rush my wife and kids even post pandemic to get to the plane really, really early. i'm not as cool as you. the. >> hopefully we'll never travel together. >> you will indeed, i'll be there in my face shield still. have a great rest of adjourned. >> tonight on my show, ridiculous dangerous and self contradictory. those are the only words you need to describe senator
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manchin's move to block legislation. can anything anyone stop him? my conversation with his colleague senator bob casey. plus, "the capitol riots as one." it's a gob smacking headline and not wrong. also, reality winner was first major whistle-blower of the trump era and she paid a big price. also to her family about the fight to set her free. and nastali bennett is set to become israel's prime minister. i'll go one-on-one with a top adviser of his. good evening. shamefully they're now being aided and abetted by at least two democratic senators. joe manchin of west virginia today announced he'll be voting against the democrats sweeping election reform bill known as the for the people act.
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the right to vote is fundamental to our democracy and it should not be about parties or politics. least of all, protecting this righting which is a value i share should never be done in a partisan manner. the problem is it's being done in a partisan manner. the 389 bills as of mid may in 48 states which basically means joe manchin thinks voting is fundamental. he says voting is fundamental. he doesn't want to be done to save it. manchin writes further, whether it is state laws that seek to needlessly restrict vote or politicians need to restore our elections, there is confident in it our democracy. it will destroy it. it's not partisanship. it's not both sides restricting voting or preventing the securing of elections.
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it's only republicans and it is not partisan to want to undo that damage. quoting again from joe manchin it must be the result of both democrats and republicans to find a pathway forward dividing the public we swore to protect and defend as elected officials. public action at state level is totally partisan. it makes no sense. which means the gop is waging warfare on our democracy with manchin's permission and even encouragement. the west virginia senator seems to think that his party should be able to get the seven senate republicans who voted to convict trump for the people act. even if democrats could get manchin's seven republican pals to vote for s 1 it would not be enough to get past his own beloved 60 vote fill bester threshold. maybe, as i said before on this
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show, manchin is just not very bright. maybe simple math is beyond him. maybe he doesn't understand what is happening at a state level. i would have loved to have asked him h he repeatedly turns us down. even if the problem of joe manchin was solvable. he's not the only problem in the democratic caucus. >> i've long been a supporter because it protects the democracy of our nation rather than allowing our country to rick shea wildly every two to four years back and forth between policies. the reality is that when you have a system that is not working effectively, i would think that most would agree that the senate is not a particularly well oiled machine, right, the way to fix that is to change your behavior. >> that was senator of arizona on tuesday during an appearance at the border with texas republican senator john cornyn. and no behavior is being changed
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by the filibuster, zero, zip, nada. there is no incentive for change. that's one of the five biggest myths about the fill buster that keeps getting pushed. it promotes compromise. actually, the opposite. senators know they don't have to compromise as long as the other side doesn't have the ten votes to overcome the threshold. nine senators didn't bother to show up to the january 6th commission vote. the votes were not needed to block it. the filibuster protects democracy. nope. what began as a means of cutting off a senator during a long debate is the means to block any and all legislation. when you get 54 votes for a bill in the senate and still lose to 35 votes, that's not democracy. this number three, the filibuster comes from the founding fathers. do we indict the u.s. education system for this myth? myth number four, there hasn't been any big increase in the use of the filibuster. you know what?
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i'm going to let the orange in that graph do all the talking about the rise of the filibuster over the last century and especially recent decades. as my good friend and msnbc colleague pointed out, all they care about is tax cuts and judicial nominations. democrats want to pass legislation and govern. so they get screwed again and again by the filibuster. joe biden is getting screwed by it right now. it's asystem rick warfare from the right and now scarily the future of our democracy is also on the line the democratic senator of bob casey and thanks so much for joining me on the show tonight. i've been serious, furious since i read joe manchin's ridiculous op-ed this morning. aren't you serious. they come out against the for the people act in this way.
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>> i totally disagree about this analysis. it's for the people and where we are generally with regard to senate rules. i don't take it though as the final word on this topic. i think there still a good ways to go. really in the senate we just begun the debate on this month. this is going to be the month for what this bill does. it said basic national standards to make sure that all americans can vote in the way that is best for them. reduces the power of big money, corporate money to buy elections and dark money. it makes the anti-corruption reform. i think we have to keep making the case. i don't think that there is any way can you say right now that what republicans are doing at the state level and the work being done on voter suppression. i don't think they can make the
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day to day. partisan and the only way to remedy that is for the people. i don't take this op-ed or anything else said recently as the final word. >> i'm glad to hear you say that. what can be done to win over the manchins and cinema in your caucus? is there an active effort we don't know about? have you spoken to them? is there any leverage? they seem pretty stubborn. >> i think this is really one of those issues where probably the most important work will be done in each individual state. if you're a senator opposed to the bill as drafted and this bill would obviously undergo. at the state level, that's where the engagement and absent this
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legislation and they will be undermind in this opportunity. not just pennsylvania. not a blue state or purple state but every state. red states will be hurt. and the scenario for the next decade are harrowing. for the democratic party and maybe more importantly and i don't think wants to see in america a lack of and terrible america. >> i know what you're saying is exactly undeniably wrong and harrowing. >> i just don't understand why he doesn't see that. he does he believes they're being critical. and this in 2017. a bunch of senate democrats and defending the filibuster. you know the support is right in my view. what do you say to joe manchin? >> well, i think some of us and
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the different conclusions. so they're arriving at that conclusion. the abuse of the filibuster, the 60 vote rule was never the we just didn't want to see it that way. that this is a reference earlier to what chris hayes said. it is really a republican on the bubble. as i went down. they don't want it passed up. there is the policy and pumping the affordable care act and could be firming what is adjusted.
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that's the big difference. >> before you run out of time, quick last question. joe biden is meeting with republicans tomorrow to talk infrastructure. he's already come down by $600 billion to try to make a deal that the gop is not moving up in a similar way. republicans running down the clock. they have no plans to do this anyway? >> i haven't talked to president biden anyway. i think we're in an update moment. they're going to make a deal. it's physical infrastructure only. we need a billion dollar bill. regardless, they're going to have to do the work for $50
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only. that's going to be hard. i think we can get it done. >> thank you so much for joining me on this show tonight. >> coming up, did the capitol riots win. how dangerous it could be for our democracy. plus, why are they paying such a harsh race. alice loves the scent of gain so much, she wished there was a way to make it last longer. say hello to your fairy godmother alice and long-lasting gain scent beads. part of the irresistible scent collection from gain! limu emu... and doug. so then i said to him,
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victory should not be recognized. this is because the republicans themselves regard such victories as illegitimate. does the future of voting rights in this country mean that democrats have to come together? adam joins me to talk about his piece. he is also the author of "the cruelty is the point, past, present and future of trump's america." adam, thank you for coming on the show. this morning jones had this to say about joe manchin's op-ed. have a listen. >> it is the case that this idea of bipartisanship is not something that should have inherent value now we have the opportunity to talk about it and senator manchin would rather preserve jim crow. this is not the same way as it did a generation ago.
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he is helping them to do. it's preserving racism and white dominance and white supremacy in this country. >> so, senator manchin is probably has in mind memories of re-authorizations of the voting rights act of 1965. which i might add, you know, that stops being -- that started being controversial fairly recently. obviously the roberts court gutted a big section of the voting rights act. they were trying to reconstruct the federal government after the civil war, put the country back together, they realized that the south did not want to accept black suffrage. they didn't say well we're not going to do black suffrage unless the democrats go long. you know, they just did it. they did it because they understood that it was essential to american democracy to make
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sure that the newly emancipated could vote. what happened in the 1960s is because the parties were polar arized ideologically. and they were willing to do that right up until the bush administration. but they're not willing to do that anymore. if they don't want them to be able to vote, then that's the end of the story. he's not going to help democrats do anything about it. and he's probably not the only one. i mean, the truth is he's probably taking the fuhr for lib kral democrats in states. the truth is that that's what they're saying. we're giving republicans a veto over whether or not our own constituents have an unfeddered right to vote. 100% i agree with you. there are those in the caucus that want to keep the filibuster for a bipartisan dreaming
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reason. adam, to day is five months to the day for the insurrection. why are so many democrats who still believe in bipartisanship, cinema, manchin, the enknown senators that we know are out there, why are they unautomobile to see that obvious point that's in front of their noses? >> you don't begin to speculate. a lot of republicans embarrassed. they condemned what happened with the rioters as terrorism. you know, they forcefully condemned the actions of the rioters. but since then, it is saying that the election was stolen or at least being silent when other people say the election is stolen. has become the price of good standing in the republican party. if you are republican, you need to say the election was not stolen, that joe biden won, then
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you risk getting yourself purged especially if you have a place of leadership. she insisted it was not true that the election was stolen. but even people like liz cheney are not opposing these laws in the states, the state laws that republicans are passing in an effort to restrict voting rights. so they can maintain or hold on the power with the minority of the vote. they're not opposing that. they may oppose or poe towsed to the ideas. reshape re-election law. what we see is the larger problem. i'm so glad you mentioned liz cheney. they're not enemies of democracy. the last thing i thought about is liz cheney who voted to
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impeach trum as you say with voter suppression bills. adam, in your excellent piece, i urge everyone in my interview, the same racial and religious polarization that is fueling the republican turn against democracy has also turned the democratic policy into an institution that is potential lyn capable. you basically say that democrats divert this as opposed to the white base that means they can't get everyone behind. that is a pretty big challenge. it's a manchin for example. big setback. what can be done if if anything? >> the democrats have a i had logically racially reliblgously diverse coalition. they have liberals, christians, muslims, jews and the republican party is largely by identity a white christian party. we saw them win over a larger
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number of latino voters than trump did the first time. what that means is the party with a more ideological universe constituency and the unity of action that a party and home oj us in is the republican party as we've seen this. but the party is be reversed. they're in the same position. there is the identity of the republican party was the party of the black vote. you saw similar problems which is that the broader your constituency, you know, you can -- you may be able to carry a majority. you won't have the same ability to get everybody on the same page you will if your party is smaller and more i had logically cohesive. >> i think you're right about. that we have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us on the shoate tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> next, biden says the u.s. will share millions of vaccines
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globally. great. but why did it take so long? why not do it when hundreds of thousands of people are dying in india and are still dying? we're warming up the timer for the 60 second round about that. first, richy lui is here with the headlines. >> vice president harris is en route to guatemala. this is the first foreign trip in offic she'll stop in mexico city. this is security and young people. the 77th anniversary of the normandie was celebrated. it has the names of more than 22,000 servicemen and women whose lives were lost. there is also a memorial for french civilians. >> and tennis great roger fedder withdrew from the french open. he says he's still recovering from two knee surgeries. federer did win his third round. from saturday evening into
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this august will mark four years since the former nsa contractor reality winner was sentenced to prison for leaking classified documents. it was this 25-year-old that first exposed detailed evidence of russian interference in the 2016 election. she printed out classified u.s. intelligence documents before mailing them to investigative news outlets. full disclowe closure, i used to work for them. however, i was not involved in that story whatsoever. after the stofry was pub lushed though, the heek was traced back to reality winner. she was denied bail and sentenced to more than five years, five years in federal prison where she remains to dafrment the longest sentence ever imposed by a federal court in this country for the
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unauthorized lease of government information to the media. should president biden pardon her? joining me is reality sister brittany winner. thank you both so much for joining me on the show tonight. how is reality doing in prison. how is your daughter right now? >> well, she's still not home. she was not arrested june 3rd in 2017. she is still not home with us today. you know, that in and of itself is a travesty. my daughter suffered beyond measure since her arrest in 2017. and that's why we believe it's time for her to come home to enjoy her life to be free. you know, even after reality is released from custody, she still
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has to serve another four years of supervised release where she'll be under very strict conditions. my questions is, you know, what purpose does this even serve? my daughter is no threat to anyone. my daughter has no criminal history whatsoever. she's a decorated united states veteran who only served her country. and her actions, her actions were in the best interests of our country. but her charge under the espionage didn't allow her to have a motive. >> let me ask you, let's go back a little bit and talk about how we got here. what made your sister decide to take that action there? >> it turns out she's not active. it's actually for the rest of her life. i don't think i'll ever actually know that we as her family and a
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lot of other people who support her believe she did the right thing. we believe that she released information that america needed to know and america needed to know about the 2016 presidential elections. so knowing that and given that, we believe that reality should remember leased. she should be given a pardon. and president biden owns. they contributed to the fact that the 2020 elections were the most secure presidential elections in american history. and so mr. biden is president because of reality winners actions and therefore he should pardon her. >> interesting you way you phrase that. joe biden was able to become president a secure election because of her. what is happening with the case for clemency? can you tell us? you are any closer to it? you are hearing any good news from this administration, any positive vibes. i know the campaign is getting a
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lot more publicity. we're deer lited to you have both on the show. is there any update can you give us? >> sorry, dave. >> brittany? >> so we haven't heard anything. and that's the most disappointing thing about this whole situation is that we believe. once the administration changed, once joe biden was sworn in, that we would hear something good. that we would hear that he knows about reality and he is working on it or at least something. but as my mom will tell you just now, we haven't heard a ning. >> billy, is there a message you could want to make to joe biden or members of his administration or watching this right now? >> yeah. you know, i had been writing to joe biden daily. and sending him messages and calling the white house trying
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to speak with him daily for the first five months of his presidency. you know, i received a form letter from his staff indicating that they reviewed my correspondents and forwarding this to another agency. that was very heartbreaking for me because it told me that they weren't listening that perhaps even president biden hadn't seen my messages, hadn't heard what i was asking for pt because this really is in his hands right now. my daughter has a petition for clemency with the united states pardon attorney. and all it's going to take is for his signature to commute her sentence to bring her home to us. i believe that she deserve this is. you know, the trump administration persecuted reality so strongly because of the information that she released. and the continued silence from
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this administration is a continued persecution. >> those are strong words from a mother and a campaigner. billy, brittany, we appreciate both of you coming on the show. i appreciate your campaign. i do hope people in the administration are watching and listening. thank you for being with us tonight. >> coming up, nastali bennett could be israel's next prime minister. is he any better than benjamin netanyahu? i'll talk to one of his top advisors. and coming up on the week with joshua johnson, we're putting america is making lots of people uneasy. a psychologist will answer your questions. uneasy a psychologist will answer your questions. new pronamel mineral boost helps protect teeth against everyday acids.
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tensions flared this weekend between israelis and palestinians. police detained an al jazeera reporting covering a demonstration. they waited four hours before sending her to the hospital. the bureau chief blamed police for the injury and saying they're attacking journalists because they don't want them to continue covering what is happening. all this is happening as a very, very right-wing politician appears set to replace benjamin netanyahu as prime minister of israel. hours ago bennett called for a vote this wednesday over a formation of a in you coalition government led by him. up next, i'll speak with a top adviser to nastali bennett. don't go away. nastali bennett don't go away. or powders, try the cooling, soothing relief or preparation h. because your derriere deserves expert care. preparation h. get comfortable with it. ♪♪
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this show on peacock on thursday. the bennett has a long hustry of saying awful things. he had no problem chilling arabs. still, he has agreed to a politician and abbas has also agreed to hand over the prime ministership in two years time. but will such a coalition even last two years? and will who is in charge make any difference to millions of palestinians still living under a decade's long occupation? joining me now from jerusalem is a top adviser to bennett, political consultant george burnbaum who like bennett served as benjamin netanyahu's chief of staff once upon a time. george, thank you so much for coming on the show tonight. your boss bennett, the guy your advises agreed to form a rotating government in which he becomes prime minister now. despite saying before the election never and under no circumstances will i ever lend a hand to the establishment of a
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government led by him, not a rotation or any other way just a few weeks ago he called abbas a terrorist supporter. he is racest then or open opportunistic now or is it both? what is going on here? >> i don't think it's either. a peacemaker later in life. i think politicians can evolve. this is a reason in which i think everyone deserves to live. everyone deserves to see their children grow up in peace and security.
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he's taken a very brave step. he included the longest party in an official coalition and state of israel. first time in history. he is making the coalition with other political parties that are opposed to his views:this will be a real test of leadership. it is a first israel to have such a government. and a lot of political action as well to navigate the waters. this isn't kuwait to same over time. there is the space of a few weeks and i quote, never under no circumstances, never, will i lend a hand to the establishment of a government led by him. now he does it a few weeks later to get power. if you're an israeli voter, why should you believe anything bennett says? he's just broken his word blatantly. >> i think the two men got together. they looked each other in the
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eye. they realized they could trust each other. while there were political foes for many years, they had to put both of them, had to put the interest of the state of israel out of their own personal interest. that is the definition of leadership. >> let's talk about some of the other things, george that, bennett has said in the past. you reportedly said to the national security advisors, i kill lots of arabs in my life. and there is no problem with that. you told a legislators life luf, when you were still swinging from trees, we had a jewish state here. that is far right racist rhetoric, is it not? >> yeah. listen, i don't think i was with him at that point. he certainly has been very hawkish in the past. he represented the settler movement for a period of time. but he is feeling it. i think he's going to be very responsible. remember, the announcement of
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shah hone, sharon was hauled as a peacemaker later in life. i think politicians can evolve. this is a reason in which i think everyone deserves to live. everyone deserves to see their children grow up in peace and security. i'm very hopeful this will do it for everybody. >> i mean, george, you're right. some people did hail aerial sharon despite his bloodstain past as a peacemaker. of a lot of palestinians didn't. if if you were a palestinian citizen of israel, how you would feel about having a prime minister who once referred to you as swinging in a tree?
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so yesterday bennett announced he was them as a brave leader, having got to know him. i think, you know, throughout history, we've seen that the rhetoric follows off once you build a personal relationship and drop stigmas and parra dinls paradigms that xusted. that is the way to peace in any situation. i'm hopeful that given the fact that bennett has been put in this position and he's now sitting in a coalition with abbas, the two of them will be talking to each other. they'll be working together. they'll be getting to know each other. that will help him evolve as a person, a leader and give hope to the jews and palestinians living in this region that peace that has been there for so long will come to fruition. >> okay. he said this to me when i interviewed him, george, in
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2017. have a listen. >> i guess what you need to do is go back and change the bible. you need to change the narrative of the bible. it's all there. >> it's a jewish state. >> i assume those all -- >> the supreme court of the -- >> those were the words of a fear person, not the words of a democratic politician. the bible gave us all the land. change the bible if you want us to make peace. >> well, listen, there is certainly a foundation of beliefs that the jewish state is inherently belong to the jewish people based on historical and biblical precedent. but again, we really took that to the extreme. let's say, you know, east of jordan river, syria, southern lebanon. you know, it all belongs to the state of israel too. i don't think that natally bennett is saying that either.
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again, i think rhetoric is easy when you're not in power. it's a little different when you have to govern. and do now have the weight of people's lives on your shoulders, the decision making power to promote peace or war. and i believe natali bennett will do everything he can to promote peace. >> just to be clear, he was the minister in government when he said that to me in 2017. look, i'm hoping you're right. that he is moving on these issues. he is changing. and time will tell. but natali bennett said on records many times he doesn't support a palestinian state and never will. has he done a u-turn on that too, george? or will the biden administration being dealing with a government that doesn't even pretend to support a two state solution. >> he and i, we haven't discussed that. i don't know that he's even gone to that point yet as to what he will say and do when he meets with president biden. again, my history has been having worked now not just in israel but around the world with many prime ministers and
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presidents around the world that it's easy to talk when you're not in a position of power. of but once you have that weight on your shoulders, there is an evolution. and you have to work -- >> you made that point. it's a very simple question. does he support a two state solution now or not? he hasn't up until this point. we need to know that. >> he and i, we have not talked about it. i can't speak for him. those are things as prime minister he'll have to speak for himself. i can't answer that question. it is not something we discussed in the past six to ten months. >> fine. okay. last question to you then. whatever israeli government formed this week, gazians continue to leave under siege. west bankers will continue to have to put up with illegal israeli settlements. it really makes no difference if the israeli leader is your new boss, bennett or your old boss benjamin netanyahu? >> i would take exception with some of the characterization. i think that if you have a
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government that is made up of such a broad ideology and this government will be made up. that there should be hope for both jews and palestinians that there can be a change in the status quo and however you characterize that status quo, it is really what we need to have. >> improving the status quo and improving people's lives and also won't tell us if if your palestinians can have a state in independence. >> listen, i worked for prime minister benjamin netanyahu. the i worked for prime minister sharon. you know, i think a two state solution is inevitable. that is my personal opinion. i'm not talking as an official position for bennett. i think that's an inevitability. i just think it's going to take
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the right type of leadership on both sides to get there. again, i'm hopeful that a broad coalition may help lead to that. i think that, again, i would like to see every jew and every arab be able to look at their children and know they're going to grow up in peace. >> okay. >> let's see what happens, george. thank you so much for joining us on the show today. . what. me. >> you for the adviser to prime minister to know if he supports a two state solution? that seems like it should've been a really easy question. >> yeah, you think the memo would've gotten out the moment the election was done and dusted, and it looks like he might win. >> wow, okay. that was a fascinating interview. we're gonna talk a little bit more about that now next hour but you have a good weekend my friend. thanks very much. and hello to, you it's good to be with you tonight. speaker of international news, kamala harris is about to arrive in guatemala city on her first international trip as vice president.
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