this point. it is not going to be easy. but it must be done. that does it for us. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hi there, i am stephanie ruhle, it is monday, june 7th, let's get smarter. 3,000 miles to the south where vice president kamala harris is getting ready to take her first step onto the world stage meeting with the president of guatemala as they try to get a handle on the massive surge of migration in the u.s. a job she was tapped for more than two months ago. the president is set to hold new talks with infrastructure with republican senator shell

capito. those decisions are more important now after justine sky manchin doubling down. he says if democrats are holding out hopes of getting rid of the filibuster so they can pass things like voting rights, well, they can forget about that, too. a 32-year ban on assault rifles is gone, scrapped by one federal judge. state leaders are planning to put it back in place after another deadly weekend of gun violence across the country. i want to start with our msnbc analysts. michael, today is going to be the third time president biden and shelly capito is meeting.

>> the white house have been after this working with the group leds by shelly capito for over a month. we remember the deadline. the house is set to do a mark up of their infrastructure package this week. as the president gets ready to head overseas. it is clear while the two sides have been inching taking baby steps toward each other over the course of last month's plus. there is a wide gap in between the two. the phone calls that these two had on friday, the president thanked senator capito moving towards the direction. they added $50 billion but made it clear it is still not enough. as much as we have been focused with the conversation with this group led by capito. but there is yet another bipartisan group that's been working much more quietly and under the radar and the white house is also keeping an eye on where those conversations end up

especially when potentially the president comes back from overseas. if there is a bipartisan deal to be had, this president wants to endorse it. they would be eager to see if there is another plan they can potentially work with republicans and key democrats including senator manchin on. >> anna, is there real progress p whatting. the fact that they have not spoken or met several times last week, that's significantly better of what we saw the last administration. nancy pelosi and former president trump went without a year without even acknowledging each other face-to-face. if we get something done here and especially all the people supporting minimum corporate tax, that'll be a huge win, are we getting closer to that win? >> yes, there is more bipartisan

communications in this administration and congress. the biden administration have more respect the roles that congress play here. we are far apart from a deal i would say. there is still talks so that's progress. clearly shuck schumer does not have the votes to move it alone. when you don't have the votes you keep talking. we can see it extends well beyond this week until there is some kind of pressure deadline. as long as the biden administration does feel they are working in a real respectful relationship with republicans and republicans want to come to some sort of a deal. >> so, joe manchin, like him or not has an enormous amount of power here. he says he wants something done on a bipartisan business, he's not going to reconciliation. given his position, is plan b completely off the table?

>> not necessarily. these are the subtle arts dealing with manchin. sources familiar with his approach tells me he's unlikely calling to cut republicans out of the process. we can pass the bill by majority vote. could it be an open amendment process or republicans get their amendments in. much like the covid relief bill, that was instructive. as long as he keep the legislation option on the table, is when to do it. manchin is not making it easy for them the make that call. they have to decide at some

point and these negotiations. the view of some in the white house and democratic leadership are moving manchin to a place where he believes it is necessary to move forward. the question is when that happens and no one knows the answer, stephanie. >> jake, if manchin keep on making it clear they'll not end the filibuster, why would republicans do anything to work with them. they're not afraid of the filibuster threat. >> a few reasons. number one, they benefit from a bipartisan infrastructure package. they don't want to see like they out of the game. that's number one. at the end of the day, mitch mcconnell is working from the hypothesis that chuck schumer does not have the votes to pass. let's be honest here, the following things we know for sure. joe manchin is not blowing up the filibuster and republicans

are not going to increase taxes and democrats don't want to unspend covid money that they don't believe it exists. i don't understand there is any agreement on this point. they agree on spending money. they don't believe how it is paid for. maybe i am alone here but i don't see one area of import in which they agree. >> but, jake - >> i do agree, steph, they're going to keep talking. >> hold on a second, the president's recent proposal is simply enforcing corporate taxes, you must pay at least 15%, we don't want you to pay zero and enforcing the wealthiest americans paying the taxes. that's not raising anything, that's enforcing what we have in place. >> after the last offer came through, republicans were against it. i don't see any, listen, i could

be wrong at the end of the day. the two sides position are entractable. i think we are awhile from a deal. >> republicans are for companies actually paying zero and really wealthy people doing everything possible to stir taxes. i want to be sure to understood that. >> we have not talked about voting rights. manchin says he'll not vote for the big reform because it is too broad and partisan. where does it leave things? >> we are watching these ridiculous nonsense audits happening in arizona and being threaten in other states. it means the s1 bill for the people is probably dead. even it were to get a

filibuster. democratic leaders are really invested in this and the left, they have to call a vote and watch it fail and regroup and figure out what to do next. there are other pieces of voting rights legislation that have a majority in the senate including the john lewis' rights bill. so they can do that and potentially pair other things that are in s1, that can get a majority. at the end of the day getting ten republicans vote for any legislature voting rights legislation is going to be a huge challenge. stephanie. >> anna, manchin made a note-worthy point in his op-ed over the weekend.

given that, are progressives being short sided here trying to get rid of the filibuster? what if mitch mcconnell was in power? >> we are at a 50/50 senate. it is not far off thinking it is going to happen. when you talk to institutionallism and other senators about this and what they would say is filibuster allowing them to move. it allows for more of a breath than airing of things before they become legislation and before they become law. so i think if you look at what mitch mcconnell and other institutions would say, they would say yes, progressives are being short sided. as soon as filibuster goes, republicans are going to use it to their benefit immediately if they get power.

>> joe manchin is trying to say guys, i am saving us from ourselves. thank you. we got to take a turn to vice president harris, she's on her first trip. kerry sanders is joining us in guatemala and gabe gutierrez in la jolla, texas. it is the united states lack of funding to the northern triangle, what is she going to find out that we don't already know? >> reporter: i think just meeting is a symbolic which she's going to find out is what her aides have told her that this is a problem that's decades old. this is not new information.

s the a matter of an approach. some people will say what's needed is u.s. money here. this region known as the northern triangle in guatemala and not seeing the results of the money going at the highest levels on the immigration process. let me take you to a company that we visited here. what they do is they make clothing and they ship these cloting all around including the united states, they have to deal with 170 employees, systematic corruption. listen to the owner antonio kozino. >> vice president kamala harris please help us with corruption in guatemala.

it is everywhere in society. >> how old are you? >> 43. >> reporter: do you remember a time there is no corruption in government here? >> no, i don't remember. >> reporter: the expectation by the vice president visiting can help -- >> bring attention. >> whether she can bring a change to corruption. that's a tall order. >> it certainly is. i know you spoke with migrants and officials over the weekend, gabe, what are they telling you? >> reporter: yes, in april, 170,000 migrants apprehended here at the southern border. about two decades, the number of migrant children dipped slightly

about 3%. there is still many migrant children and families apprehended right here at the border. we are at la jolla, texas, after they were processed by the border patrol here. this is something what we saw over and over again where rafts were coming in over night at an incredible rate. this is something we heard from public texas department safety and national guard who are picking up these migrants and they are held here while they are taken into border patrol and facility. we spoke with some of the dangers migrants are facing in the summer months. here is what he had to say. >> it is very dangerous, you can see how hot it is and humidity is going to increase and you will see more fatality because

of the heat. who knows how long they have been out there in brush. the brush is very thick and this is what they have to come through in order to get through. >> reporter: now stephanie, there was something different that was happening. different kind of family separation. during the trump administration there was a zero policy and created that family separation. with the biden administration allowing unaccompanied minor to stand. we werover the border over the weekend, some of the families there telling us there was a kind of self separation underway. some families making the difficult decision to send their minor children here alone because they know they will be allow to stay and be reunited with some relatives in the united states. stephanie, just down the street over the weekend, we spoke with a 10 and 12-year-old that came here alone and they're trying to

reach family members in boston. i can tell you one thing as we are walking up here and we hear this group, the thing that sticks with you, there are children crying in this group right behind me and it is difficult to hear. stephanie. >> 10 and 12-years-old, we'll stay all over this story. kerry sanders and gabe, i can actually hear them crying in the background. it is a lot to watch. a judge is turning decades old ban of assault weapons now comparing guns to swiss army knives. we got a reality check when we come back. first, newly uncovered e-mails revealing how far the trump administration trying to overturn the election and

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this is one of the world's bizarre election conspiracy theories we have heard. the idea that people in italy used military technology and satellites to infiltrate our voting system and somehow switched trump votes to biden

votes. it sounds insane. according to the new york times. former president trump, chief of staff, mark meadows wanted the justice to use yours and my tax dollars to over turn this. a contributor here at msnbc broke this story, katie benner. >> yes, the end of december into january, the period right into the insurrection. mark meadows asking him to look at at least three different conspiracies, two which have been debunked by investigators in georgia and new mexico.

and also to look at the conspiracy you mentioned which was whether or not people could download software from italy. now we have no indication that the justice department ever acted on this. we have been told by jeff rosen that certainly did not open any of these investigations. the white house was pressuring the justice department to give credence lend credibility to these conspiracy theory as the president was looking for a way to retain power. >> is this one of the reasons that bill barr checked out early or he was receiving this kind of pressure? >> we have reporting that barr knew that even after the justice department told the white house that it had investigated fraud and not found enough fraud to change the outlook of the election that the pressure was not going to led up. we reported that's one of the

reasons why he did not want to leave. once you feel like you can no longer have an impact and nobody is going to listen to you, it does seem like a moment for some to go. we notice that the minute barr was going to announce and rosen took over, he was called to the white house where trump did pressure him to indeed open in investigations into alleged voter fraud. >> are there any potential consequences for meadows doing this? i know there are a couple of investigations going on in congress. >> this is an interesting thing. there are two different congressional investigations happening. there is inspector general investigation. what we know is meadows asking the attorney general is a violation between the white house and the justice department. >> what is a violation mean? >> it means you broken the rules

but it is not criminal. it is not part of the u.s. criminal code, there is no law against it. when we think of accountability, it is the voters creating that accountability. it is not a law that was broken. and there is our reminder, there are no instances of widespread fraud. this is widely known to be the most secure election in is history. despite that, there are still states overturning the election. where is it coming from? is mark meadows still involve in any of these? >> conspiracy theories taken over the messaging of the republican party. do we need them and fuel them or may off of them and try to win

off elections based off of them. certainly the idea of the election fraudulent has been the basis of new voting laws introduced in various states, or is there a push back including the fact that joe biden won the election. there is a role that the justice department took place in all this. right now as congress investigates what happens in those last day of the trump administration is up to the current department under mayor garland to decide whether jeff rosen and jeff donohue can tell investigators how forth they can be. that's up to mayor justice's department. we'll see how forthcoming they are. >> this is actually stunning, mark meadows. there are people out there who believer former president trump will be reinstated in august,

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breaking over night, california police arrested two suspects in connection with the shooting death of a six-years-old boy, aiden leos. the couple in their 20s arrested at their home on sunday. there is no details led to the arrest. it followed a $50,000 award to find the killer. they're being held on a million dollars bail and will appear in court tomorrow to face murder

charges. this comes after a judge overturned a ban of gun violence. down in new orleans, a woman is in critical condition after being shot in the face along with seven others. in new york city, a ten-year-old boy was killed and a 12-year-old girl injured. the boy justin wallace would have turned 11 tomorrow. down south it is starting to feel like deja vu tomorrow. this one happens outside the strip mall. catie beck is covering that story for us on the judge's decision. chris brown, president of the brady organization, dedicated to

fighting gun violence in this country. katie, another horrific shooting in florida leaving a graduation party, tell us about this shooting specifically and what are they doing about this? >> yes, well, steph, this is the latest one in the shooting spree here in south florida that's creating a tragic trend that investigators are trying to get a hold on. this was a graduation party on sunday when a drive-by shooting occurred. 23 people were shot at. police say this is a trend that's extending from corner to corner in miami. they are launching a 12-week initiative called summer heat where they're trying their best to put more boots on the ground and adding a social media components of this to monitor and try to track and prevent these incidents from occurring.

the mayor and ahead of the police are saying today that these tragic events are disturbing to their community and they are struggling to get a hold of them. a week ago launching this initiative saying they're going to combat the silence. here we are again another weekend of deadly violence in the area. >> talk to us about this federal judge, a, who is he and what kind of ruling and overturning california's assault weapon ban saying ar15s are good for home and battles. >> yes, this one has to deal

with high capacity magazines. this specific overturning the ban in assault weapons making news in california. we keep on hearing the comparison to the swiss army knife and the judge saying like the swiss army knife is a perfect combination of home defense weapon. good for both home and battle. of course, the governor reacting against the language and against the decision same with the state attorney of california saying they'll appeal the decision. the judge gave the state 30 days to file an appeal. just over four years ago, the law that limits or actually makes it legal to possess high capacity magazines came into place. california does have the support of voters. what we know is this will

continue in the courts. the group, the gun advocates that file this lawsuit had said they intend to keep fighting even if they had to take this to the supreme court. the next step is they'll be in the state's filing appeal and we expect this battle to continue in the courts. >> chris, help me understand this logic, the judge is saying the assault weapon ban has been a failed ban so no reason to have it? is it like saying well, we have a ban on murders in this country and they happen everyday so let's stop making it illegal? >> it is exactly what it is like. it is strange to have a federal judge saying laws don't work and there is no point in them. there is no fact to backup what he's saying. california has among the most comprehensive gun laws in the country. if we are going to tackle the epidemic of gun violence in this

country, we have to understand we lose 40,000 people a year and 80,000 more. it is not any one thing, it is a system of laws working together. those system of laws in california works. they have a significantly decrease experience of gun violence in this state. they are dedicated people who set the most comprehensive set of laws in our country. if you look at the federal assault weapon ban that was in effect in 2004, all of the studies dawn on that law saying you saw a significantly decrease use of these kinds of weapons. there is a reason those style weapons and high capacity mag mag -- magazines are high shooters' choice. it is so insulting and deeply

offensive to people who lost loved ones. let's think about that or vegas where these weapons were used. we are talking about 60 people dying if vegas and almost 50 at pulse. a swiss army knife was not used there. it was absurd. we have to understand you talked before of a distortion of facts. these weapons are destructive and they polarize human flesh. you can survive handguns, it is impossible to save people who are shot by assault weapons. we'll fight this all the way to the ninth circuit and the supreme court if we have to. >> it seems like weapons are increasing. we know president biden signs several executive orders in

april on gun violence, are those executive orders are not enough? >> it is a huge step forward but ultimately, we have an epidemic of gun violence. we saw gun sales all across this country soared by 64% increase. we have thousands of guns in homes as first time gun owners or perhaps not safely stored. across the city across america, they seen record spike in homicides. it is deeply troubling. we have to understand to solve this issue, we need comprehensive public safety approaches that are entirely consistent with the second amendment. we need to expand the law and the executive actions are really important. those bills are sitting in congress right now. we need to enact them and hold politicians accountable for getting it done this year. this is our chance to do it.

>> move them forward. chris, katie, thank you all so much. we'll continue to stay on this everyday. we got breaking news from the supreme court opting against taking up a case on the military draft. what is this all about? >> this is a challenge that the registration is for men only. all men still require to register for the draft in case it is ever needed when they turn 18. if they don't they can have penalties and find it hard to get student loans. it was challenged against really the constitution's guarantee of equal protection. today the supreme court says it is not going to hear this case. it didn't say why but the reason appears to be because congress is considering change in the law. the lower courts said they were bound by a 1981 supreme court

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or feel it but you should. our nation is under serious threat with the fbi probing about 100 types of random cyber attacks. last week's attack, jbs. fbi director christopher wray compares the surge to 9/11. all of this, the backdrop when president meets with vladimir putin last week. ken dilanian is with us, ken, what's the latest on your reporting and how the white house is planning to respond to these hacks. sending a letter to businesses is not going to do anything. >> that's right. good morning stephanie, biden administration is planning a multi-prong effort resembing

global war on terror. at home hardening cyber defenses and new regulations and abroad, using economic and military intelligence power to go after the people perpetrating these attacks. one of the things the biden administration is going to press for is to regulate crypto currency exchanges so these criminals can't exchange bitcoin for other cash anonymously. all these will take time. what the biden administration can do is raise the cost to these criminal gangs and that could mean russia and that could mean using military and intelligence capabilities to go after. it is a big deal and not a step to be taken lightly. as senator king said over the

weekend, for years the united states did not hit back when an attack occurred. many wants the u.s. to take a step back, if you hit us, you are going to pay a price. >> i want to share what secretary granholm, what she said. >> we need to send this strong message that paying of ransomware only accelerates this problem. you are encouraging the bad actors when that happens. >> okay, john. so our energy secretary is saying do not make payments. this does not help. you know what would help? major government action. what do you expect businesses to do? >> well, these companies are kind of in a really difficult position. we talk a lot about the

disruptions and disservices from the ransomware itself. that's only half of the equation. they're also extorting these companies. they'll take your e-mails, leaks and all your information and intellectual property and they'll drip it out to the public. these are billion dollars property. these are a lot of money worth of information that could create issues for them and can create legal issues for them. they're in a terrible position. >> a terrible position, john, it is impossible. yes, the president has signed a cyber security executive order but that's not the same direct intervention, what can and the government should do here? >> there are solution that is the private sector could be making or steps they could be

taking. these actors are operating, we dealt with problems like this in the past with piracy, at some point the government does have to reach out through capabilities disrupting this activity or maybe even deter it. >> john, we are concerned about this, we talk about it all the time on this show. i was definitely shocked when fbi director wray compares this to 9/11. if the biden administration waits too long to take action, how bad can this get? i mean 9/11? >> i don't see the level of violence on the level of 9/11. we are not talking about mass deaths here but we are talking about people getting hurt. that's where the future is

going. people will get hurt. we have seen entire national healthcare system going up line because of ransomware attacks. we have seen specific actors focused on healthcare because they recognize and this is were so razor thin, and you know to these health care providers, as far as being able to provide necessary service to keep people alive and in the midst of this we saw some of the actors targeting these health care providers. so somebody is going to get hurt and i think we need to think about that first and foremost. we need to be responding accordingly. >> john, thank you so much, ken as well. we're going to stay on this. now let's turn to social media and the insurrection. it's hard to believe it, but yesterday marked five months since the january 6th insurrection. this morning we're learning more about the fallout.

facebook announced on friday former president trump would stay suspended from their site for a total of two years. no surprise he slammed the decision in a speech on saturday. with facebook vice president nick clegg defending it the next day. >> we should not determine what side of the political aisle will side with us, but we hope that reasonable observers know that we're acting as reasonably and proportionately as we can. >> lens bring in kara swisher, host of the sway and pivot podcast. facebook says that trump can come back if he is not a safety threat any more. extremist groups are still out there. how would facebook be able to tell if the threat is gone? >> i think they're focused on

president trump and the things he says. the election lies that he kept talking about. i think they're watching his behavior elsewhere. i think after he was suspended he continued to sort of double down on the things he was saying that were a problem for facebook. i think it's his behavior that they're looking at, not necessarily public safety, but his presence on social media and if it will be safe, i suspect. >> kara, you know mark zuckerberg very, very well. does he believe that facebook users will just magically moderate themselves? >> he does. you know, i have not talked to him in awhile. he has not talked to me since our last interview when he said things that wasn't great to say, but he really believes in the community and the ability to self regulate and if not he can

use algorithms to take care of the best. at first i thought it was faint and not very real, but i think he believe it's that the community together will decide on what is right and what is wrong and he shouldn't in is something that he should maintain for a long time. i think that is untenable when you have a character like donald trump show up. you can call trump whatever you want, but they don't know how to deal with a bad player that continues to game them essentially. >> yesterday nick clegg was asked about your column. he said facebook should be regulated, but not broken up. hasn't their massive existence and enormous lobbying efforts, resistance to regulation lead us to the mess that we're in now? >> there is no regulation. they're not resistant to regulation, it's a question of what it should be. and they don't want the wrong kind of regulation that they

would not like. one of the issues is whether or not they should be broken up. if they have a strangle hold on social media. even clarence thomas was talking about whether or not they should be a public utility. those are all interesting things to debate and everyone should talk about them. i think what should happen. that is a good place to begin and there is a lot of bills including by senator amy klobuchar and others, there is more of an ability of the ftc and the justice department to have funding to enforce a lot of stuff, that's the beginnings of things and we have to think hard about the monopolies that really do determine what everyone can do. one of the things is whether or not you agree with their decision on donald trump one person made that decision. it comes down to mark zuckerberg. >> i don't know too many of the

richest people on the plannest that run public utilities. how much will is there to break facebook up? >> i think it depends on where you are on the political spectrum. they think about the power a lot. now the republicans are sort of focused in on sort of the josh holly idea that they are biassed against conservatives and they're not. president trump violated the rules of facebook over and over and over again. and they actually were quite indulgent of him until the insurrection. and then they didn't feel like being handmaidens to sedition. facebook moves to indefinitely ban him and now they're going to do it for two years. they're kicking the can down the road. now i this i there is a lot of appetite here, if it is a break up which takes a long time, a slow and onerous process, or whatever. >> meanwhile former president trump shut down his blog that was supposed to be game changing.

kara swisher, always good to see you. we told you about the new york attorney general's investigation into insider trading agencies at kodak. i said they sold shares of the company they own a month before a trump administration loan to the company sent shares soaring. the company says that is wrong because the ceo has not sold a share of the stock of the company and members of the board did not sell shares at that time. we regret that error and we will stay on this story. that wraps up this hour, i'm stephanie ruhle, hallie jackson has more on the other side of the break. do not go anywhere, much to cover today. do not go anywhere, much to cover today. taking metamucil everyday can help. metamucil psyllium fiber, gels to trap and remove the waste that weighs you down.

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