ocasio-cortez's endorsement is the fact that i am the only candidate in this race that has a true position for police reform. >> widely seen as a big boost for wiley and we will continue to cover all of the candidates for mayor in new york and fairly, of course. >> that does it for me, "the reidout" with joy reid is next. >> ari, thank you very much. have a great evening. >> everybody, good evening. we begin "the reidout" with a question. how many days, weeks, hours need to pass before we start fighting in earnest for our democracy, and giving it the urgency its fragile position deserves and i ask because we're already past the point of hand wringing and bipartisanship, yeah, that fantasy ship has sailed.

it is hijacked our democracy by 2022 with donald trump albeit with wrinkled thighs and an incoherent mind and maybe an adult diaper, back on the campaign trail under the banner of stop the steal with having positioned himself to help him pull off if 2024 what he and the january 6th insurrectionists tried, stealing the election. stop the steal is the insurrectionist republican's banners. democrats, what's yours? because seriously, there are plenty of folks who are terrified by what we're seeing and frankly baffled by the democrats' weirdly cordial response. you'd think in the face of actual autocracy that things would feel a little more hands on, and it's not just me or my friends saying this people who have devoted their entire careers to promoting democracy abroad, including what i have

personally opposed in the past, they are saying it, too. people like max obama and jennifer rubin and david frohm are sending out sos., america, way up. they're stealing our democracy right out from under our noses. we have democracy scholars saying american democracy is in grave danger and to suspend the filibuster is vital to ensuring that we continue to be a democratic republic and if that's not enough, listen to dr. martin luther king jr., in an interview from 1963 raising the same alarms when senators back then were dithering on passing federal legislation to protect civil rights and voting rights. >> the tragedy is that we have a congress with a senate that has a minority of misguided senators who will use the filibuster to

keep the majority people from even voting. they won't let the majority senators vote and certainly they wouldn't want the majority people to vote because they did not represent the majority of american people. in fact, they represent in their own states a very small minority. >> did you hear that? that was 58 years ago and we defied the odds because eventually the filibusters failed and after two more years of struggle and racist violence, we finally got a voting rights act, and yet now we're re-living the past verbatim. who else needs to say it for democrats to know this is a state of emergency. you can't say that you weren't warned. enter west virginia senator joe manchin who this weekend officially crushed any chance that we can save voting rights at the federal level ahead of the 2022 election. >> you know, voting is a bedrock of our democracy, an open, fair, secure voting. we used to go around the world

and explain and show and observe voting procedures in a democracy, and now if we can't practice what we preach and we'll basically do an overhaul and an 800-page overhaul of the voting rights or what we call for the people act. there are a lot of great things and i agree in that piece of legislation and there's an awful lot of things that don't pertain directly to voting. >> we sent manchin's office a list of questions to find out what he specifically objects to in the for the people act and if he agreed that our democracy is in danger. his office has not responded. joining me now is nancy mclean, historian and author of "democracy in chains." thank you for being here. i interviewed you for my book and i read "democracy in chains" and it scared me. scaring is caring. the last thing joe manchin said, you can't pass a bill without bipartisan support that changes

our democracy. the 14th amendment to the constitution, 33 republicans voted in favor, zero democrats voted in favor and the 15th amendment of the constitution, 39 in favor and zero democrats in favor because those were the bills that gave citizenship and voting rights to the formerly enslaved. no democrats voted for that. they were the conservative party at the time. the ku klux klan act, 36 in favor, all republicans and zero democrats in favor. none of those were bipartisan. as a historian, what did you make of joe manchin's claim there? >> yeah, i think, unfortunately, he is really living in a past that doesn't exist anymore. it would be lovely to have bipartisanship, but this republican party has shown us certainly over the last decade that they would do nothing in a bipartisan way. i think the problem is that senator manchin and some other democratic and elected officials

have not come to grips with the fact that there is no more republican party in the way that people understood that party that many people voted for for the years as a normal, major party in our system. what has happened is that the major arch right donors, most famously, the coke network have so transformed the party and have so brought it to heal with their agenda, partly through putting dark money to elections and rewarding those who comply and penalizing those who don't and by arousing the base voters with a diet of misinformation, et cetera, and so there is the constant barrage of noise, and i think he needs some of his colleagues to walk him through connecting the dots. that this is not an isolated instance. on measure after measure we have two ideological parties and every political scientist and

scholar will tell you the republican party is the most polarized and the most extreme and they will not cooperate on anything. they have shown that most dramatically with their refusal to support an investigation into the most serious attack on our capitol since the civil war. a party that will not do that, a party that has shown in state after state and nationally that they believe the only way they can win now is to suppress the vote, a party like that is not going to vote for any kind of voting rights. >> they're living in a world that no longer exists. >> none of them are going to vote for the john lewis -- you can call it john lewis and dr. martin luther king act. none of them are voting for it, joe manchin. you touched on something they think is very important. manchin said he doesn't support everything in the bill. i suspect the parties that he doesn't support and that kristin sinema and others don't support are the things the chamber of

commerce doesn't like. they're supportive of both manchin, sinema and the chamber of commerce democrats. you have a piece in "the new yorker" where the koch brothers have been all out to stop this bill and the for the people act and not because they don't like voting rights and you can explain why these super rich, mega rich don't like people to vote and they don't like the end of dark money. dark money is in this bill, too. explain what these super rich people really want. >> what these super rich people really want is something so frightening that they understandably do not ask for it by name, but instead they have operated by stealth for years now steadily rigging the rules of our democracy until we are at the point now where i think about it almost as a noose. there are so many threads in the noose on our democracy now that it's almost impossible to count them. you can start with the destruction of collective bargaining power for public

sector employees and begun by scott walker on 2011 and moved on to the voter suppression bills and there are 180 of them in 2013. the worst gerrymander that we've seen in our political industry and the most sophisticated gerrymander that enabled project red map to take control over 30 state capitals and the court effort to use dark money to get supreme court judges -- justices confirmed like brett cavanaugh, like barrett, and judge roberts. it's been coordinated on the right and it's an interwoven, long-term strategy and until we understand that strategy, we are shadow boxing and whether it's the voter suppression so that state legislatures can count the vote however they choose or the efforts to undermine the independent judiciary like mine in north carolina.

all of these things are part of an integrated strategy that is slowly shackling and strangling democracy and we need figures like joe manchin and kristin sinema to understand what that's at stake. people should be aware, too, that the koch-backed right is up in joe manchin's grill in his home state. >> yes. 100%. >> it is organizing heritage, bussing in people from surrounding states and running constant ads so they are really going after them and kristen sinema to make sure that they report democratic priorities. >> there you go, and that is the piece i needed people to understand and that is why i wanted to talk to you. nancy mclean. read "democracy in chains." this is the piece we don't talk about. it's easy to say joe manchin

doesn't need black people. his numbers are deeply under water, by the way. he's in the 30s in terms of approval and probably can't get re-elected and the question becomes why would he do this? because he is friendly with the chamber. he's friendly with the kochs and those people want an oligarchy and we can't have universal pre-k, we can't have universal health care because they're rich and don't want to pay for it. you have senator rafael warnock, a good man. a man of god, telling politico he spoke with manchin. i remain hopeful, that he understands, our children will judges based on what we do now to preserve tester. he said i'd like to get things done, ok? they're soupgd the right note,

but do they understand what they are dealing with, sir, in your mind? >> i don't believe so. i mean, this is a historical moment for all of us. we are a part of a system that is rooted in white supremacy, and it has evolved into a system where corporate-backed actors and the elite are controlling congress. the reason why they don't support hr-1 is not just the voting rights piece and that's a big piece and it's very important and we want to fas retroactively so we can supersede what's happening at the state level, but hr-1 also gets big money out of politics and pushes through publicly financed elections. so i am one of a few democrats who do not take corporate-backed money because we don't want to be beholden to companies and we want to be beholden to the

constituents. joe manchin and others are no longer behold tone their constituents. they're beholden to the koch brothers and beholden to the chamber of commerce and the wealthy, leet overall who have control of our democracy. this is why we can't mass the $15 minimum wage. >> yes. >> this is why we can't pass common sense control, we are not evolved into the racial -- and it has tentacles around congress in the way of wealth and economy. >> another thing, corporations within our system are considered people and money is considered free speech. that is insane. that is the system that we are currently operating within and joe manchin, while he speaks to the thennier than thou and upholding our democracy, he's upholding a system of white

supremacy through wealth and equality through people like the koch brothers. >> say it louder for the people in the back, brother rowland. you will have civil rights leaders talk with manchin tomorrow and maybe they'll talk to the diva miss sinema who thinks she's also running things. if you aren't running that, put the list up here. we've got people we think are opposed to changing the filibuster. we're not really sure. they're open and not committed. 19 people and there are only three who are on the record opposed and you have 27 who say repeal the filibuster. if you're not talking -- if those people who are open, but not committed are also taking money from huge corporations that are also beholden to these huge corporations and to the chamber and they need the money, too, how do you convince them that voting rights are more important than that money? because you're right, that money is keeping us from having health care, good schools, infrastructure. they don't want any of that because these rich folks don't

want to pay taxes. >>. >> and they want to remain in power and not just at the federal level and the city level. this is about minority rule and this is about how. republicans represent 40 million less americans than democrat s and they are wielding an enormous amount of power. so that's the other piece and this is why grassroots organizing and mobilizing young people who think differently and believe differently about what america should be, this is why this is critical because people are more powerful than money, and if we can keep people organized in states across the country, to push back against the corporate elites controlling our congress, then we can threaten their seats, and if we threaten their seats and win in eye couple of, which is

happening in the house, but it needs to happen in the senate, as well. charles booker is one example of that, get people like him in there and many others can bring the transformative thing that we need. >> that is the thing they fear the most. >> congressman jamal bowman. thank you for being here and preaching on this monday. you will get an amen from me right now. up next on "the reidout." we are on the same train with mark meadows' effort to get the department of justice to legitimize the most bonkers election theft theories in the final days of his presidency. pop quiz, what is an ar-15 assault rifle just like a swiss army knife. how about never? tell that to tonight's absolute worst. plus -- >> do not come. do not come. the united states will continue

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in pushing the big lie late last year, suspicious claims and dubious allegations and all of them were rejected by the courts that heard them. "the new york times" invalidate the 2020 election in the weeks of the administration. emails show the trump chief of staffmark meadows asked jeffrey rosen and then the acting attorney general to examine debunked claims of election fraud in new mexico and an array of baseless conspiracies. you here's the kicker.

that included a fantastical theory that people in italy had used military technology and satellites to remotely tamper with voting machines in the united states and switch votes. it's not like marjorie taylor-greene that's cuckoo enough that jewish space lasers agree -- according to the report while the acting attorney general thankfully did not comply with the requests, meadows reached out to rosen that essentially forbid almost all white house personnel including the chief of staff from contacting the justice department about investigations or other enforcement actions. joining me now is tim miller. this is not a surprising story. just a few details here. it feels the urgency and the desperation of the former president to try to stay in office and he even considered replacing the acting attorney general with someone who is willing to do the crimy stuff. what do you make of this reporting?

>> joy, remember when bill clinton and loretta lynch met on a plane tarmac and that was the biggest attorney general crime of the century over on fox and everywhere else? this is literally the white house pressuring the attorney general to try to interfere in an election and it's completely next level and here's the thing, joy. this is not just a random, you know, oh, i've got an email about the jewish space laser and whatever theory comes up, i'll talk to the attorney general. this is a concerted effort that dates back all of the way to 2015 where people in the maga orbit were trying to make the case that there is this global network that includes the italians and the brits and these other countries that are trying to stop donald trump. i swear to god, it's the same theory that's tied to, if you remember, obamagate. >> yes. >> when they claimed the italians were working together to fabricate the russia -- all of this stuff is nutty, but it

is deliberate, and so i think it is extremely important now getting to the politics of it that the democrats on the hill make meadows testify, create as much pain as possible and get as much information out about this as possible and i was listening to representative gobin before this and he's talking about how great of a threat this is to the democracy and what that means for bills that need to be passed and that's true, but it also means how you have to act politically. >> yes. >> and the democrats need to act accordingly, if this is as great of a threat as it seems and they need to be dragging meadows out there and they need to use every tool at their disposal to ensure to maximize pain and get as much information out about what exactly was happening as possible and make the republicans own this. it cannot just be a story in the new york times. the voters are not going to see this. >> and the reason i like talking with you and talking with other republicans is because i feel

like disgruntled republicans are the only people who understand politics. i worry that democrats are so anti-theatrical, and they're anti-theatrical and they think we'll just have a coffee with our friends on the republican side and we'll serve cookies and everyone will get the kind of cookie they like and you see, then -- this is how they react to our democracy crumbling it. you have liz cheney who said they would not convict donald trump because they fear they would be killed by their own supporters. she knows how dangerous the people at the base are. can you understand why democrats are so casual about this and why they're not putting capitol police and mark meadows and putting all of these people on tv. do you understand it? >> i wish i could say yes, but i don't, joy. i understand what the white house is doing. the white house has a big job right now. to get this vaccine rollout, we

just saw in the preview kamala down in guatemala. they have a lot on their plate. what is happening in the senate i'm confused about. they let the republicans off the hook with this friday vote right before memorial day weekend where they killed the committee. why did they hold the vote at that time? why didn't they kick this into next week and make sure that there was a bigger show, as you were saying around the fact that they were trying to cover up this domestic terrorist attack on the capitol? >> that's, you know, it's just one little tactical thing and it is the example of a mindset that is wrong. the mindset has to be do what is possible to create as much pain as possible and to get as much information out as possible. this is where the politics and what is right aligned, and in order to hurt the republicans for all their complicit and ahead of one set. and that logic applies to some of the policy questions at hand, as well. >> i don't get it. i really don't understand it.

it's almost as if they don't notice that this is happening or they notice it, but they literally think that putting out policy papers will fix it. put a policy paper in "the new york times" no one will see that unless one of us read that on tv. most people don't read "the new york times." i hope they do the puzzle because i was in the puzzle, but no one is reading that. >> swing voters. >> i'm yelling at the world. i'm yelling at the clouds. tim miller, thank you very much. i really do appreciate you. >> i don't get it. kamala harris travels to guatemala to address immigration issues on her first trip abroad as vice president. but first, a federal judge striking down a california assault weapons ban, saying they're multipurpose tools puts him in the running for absolute worse. stay with us.

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i want to emphasize that the goal of our work is to help guatemalans find hope at home,

at the same time i want to be clear to folks in this region who are thinking about making that dangerous trek to the united states-mexico border, do not come. do not come. the united states will continue to enforce our laws and secure our border. >> a blunt statement from vice president kamala harris in guatemala today, her first foreign trip since taking office. harris met with guatemala's president and community and civic leaders to address the root causes leading migrants to make the perilous journey north, namely the economy, climate and food insecurity. the vice president's visit is to one of the northern triangle countries as part of a larger effort she's been tapped to lead. to address migration across the southern border. in addition to her warning to prospective migrants, harris announced a new joint task force to address anti-corruption efforts and to address human

trafficking in the region. tomorrow she will meet with mexico's president manuel lopez obrador. assess what it is that the biden administration, and your view, senator, can accomplish with this trip? >> well, i think it is important to note why the vice president went to guatemala. this is a country that still has a lot of problems, a lot of issues with endemic corruption, but they have made a much more fulsome commitment to try to right the economic ship and security ship than the other northern triangle countries, and so i think part of the purpose here is to show other countries like honduras that if you get more serious about confronting economic security and corruption issues. that being said, guatemala has a long way to go and it was an important announcement that we'll get more serious about

corruption and the grants that vice president are announcing are mainly going to the private sector and to entrepreneur, for instance. it is a strong message to these governments to say until you get your act together, you should expect to see that usaid dollars as part of the biden administration's ban to lift up the northern try angle is likely to go to the private sector once you show that you can efficiently administer private sector dollars and then we'll think about putting money through the government and these were important messages that she was sending on this first very important trip. >> the clip that came out of it is don't go on the perilous journey northward and we will reject people coming without prior permission. when you think about getting close to the united states, and in a country like guatemala that used to be the united fruit company used to run essentially guatemala. they had something like 70% of

the usable land. they owned it. the 70% mayan population were sort of slave plantation labor and we overthrew their government and in ten years, they had a dechl democrat see and we overthrew that joint in 1954, and when we essentially, they had a 30-something year civil war. that was partly the cia's doing and how do we turn around and say behave yourselves? by the way, our democracy is crumbling, too? >> listen, your last point may be the most important. we can't be a credible interlockity you are fighting corruption and we have oligarchs in charge of the decisions being made in washington and state capitols and we have to clean up our own act where there isn't any distance to the democracy reform agenda in washington and our efforts to try to rebuild

credibility of our government and our country around the world, and and the people making that perilous journey to the united states without documentation. >> we always have a credibility gap between what we preach overseas and what we practice at home, and so the more serious we are in washington of that re-capturing power for the people away from the corrupt elites, the better we'll be at convincing governments like those in guatemala, honduras and el salvador to clean up their own act. >> can you tell joe manchin about that? i want to ask you while do i have you here there is this headline from nbc news that the u.s. has recovered $2.3 million in bitcoin that was paid to these hackers, these darkside hackers in the colonial pipeline ransomware attacks. we are increasingly vulnerable to ransomware attacks and

they're targeting sectors that aren't the good guys in the oil sector. what can we do about that? >> yeah. i don't think we can rely on this latest pattern. it looks like this might have been a very unique circumstance in which we are able to recover this ransom through the cryptocurrency system in the future we'll need a much more collaboration with the public sector and i'll be honest, over the course of the next five to ten years we've seen these vulnerabilities in the private sector particularly when it comes to critical infrastructure and there's been difficulty in getting them to share information in real time and the threats that they are dealing with, and we can't help them protect themselves from these foreign actors unless they tell us what kind of hits that they're getting on their system. so we've got to build a better integrated system between the department of homeland security and the private sector so that

we get realtime information and we can share what we know with them and they can share what they know with us and together we can build a better prophylactic and there's been hesitancy in the private sector to share with government. >> we can take the subsidies away until they help out national security because they do get a lot of money. >> senator chris murphy, i thank you very much for being here. joining me is the former policy adviser to senator kamala harris. whenever we talk about this region i can't help, but then go into a deep dive on the history of this sort of kissingerian foreign policy. i feel like there are a lot of chickens coming home to roost in the northern triangle countries. is that fair to say in your view? you're muted. you're muted. hold on a second. unmute. >> a year into covid and still

don't know how to work it. thank you for having me back, but i think that is fair to say. these challenges in central america are long, intractable problems, right? and we heard it a long time ago and the fact that this administration has committed itself from the beginning to addressing these issues is really important because these solutions are not going happen overnight. i also think that you're right and senator murphy was right. what we do in this country is watched very closely by our regional partners and allies and that's especially true for the southern hemisphere, and i want to say, on that note the fact that kamala harris, and i don't think it has been covered very much, the fact that kamala harris is the first woman vice president, herself a child of immigrants that speaks well to the people of those countries. >> it does, but at the same time, as you said, they can see and they can get on the

internet. they can see on tv, what we are dealing with in this country is that we have oligarchs that are attempting to take control of our country just like oligarchs like the united fruit company took their company basically hostage and turned it into a giant plan tragz and then they had a civil war and they're still dealing with them and no wonder they have a lot of corruption and climate degradation and so they're doing the only thing they can think of, a lot of these moms and dads and saying get my kid out of here, right? are we in a moral position to judge what is the decisions being made by a guatemalan mom when we helped create the mess her kids are stuck in? >> absolutely not, and i think the problem that we've had with our foreign policy with regards to migration in the southern border is that we considered it a crisis at the southern border when it's not a crisis at the southern border and it's a crisis in central america and i believe -- and i give the american people credit for empathizing in the situation in

which a mother chooses to self-separate and send her child hundreds of miles north because she fears her child will go hungry and it is going to be killed by a cartel or she'll have to send her child away with the hopes that her child will have a better life in the united states. >> you're right. the symbolism of having a mom of color up there talking, you know, about these situations and i think it is important. what general impact do you think that kamala harris has had about vice president both symbolically and practically? >> i think that there's been a lot of progress made in just a few months and this announcement was made in april and we're not talking about a lot of time. there's been a multi-faceted approach which recognizes the complexity of the issue and she's announced partnerships with businesses and philanthropies and that's extremely important because you have to start building economic opportunity, allow people to believe that there's going to be the opportunity to have a job,

the opportunity to make a living in order to pay for food because industries have been wiped out because of two hurricanes. >> yeah. >> i also think that they have extend legal pathways so that people can legally come to the united states. >> absolutely. i think we should also note that harris announced that the u.s. will be providing 500,000 coronavirus vaccines to guatemala and that is hugely important and a very good thing. sergio gonzalez, thank you very much. we appreciate your time. >> up next, actress and activist jane fonda joins us to replace an aging oil pipeline that can endanger sensitive tribal areas in the upper midwest. don't go anywhere. we'll be right back. it can all add up. kesimpta is a once-monthly at-home injection... that may help you put these rms challenges in their place.

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activists today protested against the ongoing construction of the enbridge pipeline at the endwaters of the mississippi

river in minnesota. organizers, around 2500 people attended the protest. around two dozen protesters occupied and locked themself to equipment at one of the pump stations earlier today. the department of homeland security helicopter attempted to disperse them. the oil pipeline which runs from can due to wisconsin which meant to replace an aging pipeline that runs a similar route. enbridge says the new pipeline is needed to improve safety and the current pipeline is corroding and can operate at only half capacity. opponents say the pipeline which will cross the mississippi river, violates tribal treaty rights to the land and will exacerbate climate change. i'm joined by activist and author jane fonda who spoke at the protest today, and tara houska of the first nation. she's a trial attorney and former adviser on native american affairs to bernie sanders. i want to start with you. i understand there's a lawsuit trying to appeal a decision by

tribal groups and environmental groups who want to overturn -- i think we have lost her. >> this is happening right now. >> are you there? >> this is happening right now. >> that's perfectly okay. we're going to watch what's happening behind you. i know the protests are still ongoing. tell us what the tribe wants to see happen, as we're looking at what's going on behind you. >> pardon? >> what do the tribes want city happen regarding this pipeline? >> the three nations are suing against the project because it violated the right to harvest wild rice and the territories are very clear in the law. this is an illegal pipeline and it's not in a similar route. it's actually in a completely new route. it's in an untouched area, 100 wetlands, 200 bodies of water. this is a new pipeline. the solution to an old aging one is not to build a brand-new one through a new place.

the solution is to -- >> yes, absolutely. jane, let me bring you in here because you're using your platform to highlight this issue. you alerted us and that's why we have the two of you on. i feel like this is a story about america's constant subordination of our freedom and the freedom of our first nations to big oil. big oil just runs this country. we're enslaved to them. is that a wrong way to read that? >> no, i think it's absolutely correct. big oil has a stranglehold on our government, and while president biden has done some wonderful things, and we're so grateful to him that he has rolled back some of the trump policies when it comes to drilling and more fossil fuel development, but there's still too much that he's doing that needs to be stopped. he has the power to stop this. let me just give the big picture for a second. we are confronting a looming

catastrophe. climate scientists are virtually unanimous that we have nine years to cut our fossil fuel emissions in half in order to keep global warming at 1.5 degrees celsius, no higher than that if we want to avoid catastrophe. even the conservative international energy association that usually supports new fossil fuel development is saying no, this is it. we cannot, cannot do any more development, no more drilling, fracking, or mining of new fossil fuels. we can't even burn what we have already developed. because we're going in the wrong direction. fossil fuel emissions are rising, and we have to cut them in half. otherwise it's a catastrophe. otherwise, we're compromising the future of our children and grandchildren. this pipeline would bring double the amount of tar sands oil from canada, as tara said, across pristine land, under water that is very, very precious and pure.

headwaters of the mississippi. it has to stop, and biden, president biden has the power to do that. because it was -- the permit was given as the trump administration, the lame duck administration was on its way out. and the proper environmental impact work wasn't done. they haven't really studied the impact this would have on climate, the impact it would have on the water, and of course, the flies in the face of environmental justice. three things the biden administration has said they are in favor of. he wants to be the climate president, so he must, must call on the army corps of engineers to pull the permit and take a second look at this. >> and tara, the indigenous people have paid the price over and over and over again for hundreds of years, to the united states deciding we want more land to put people on, we want more land to build pipelines on, we want more land for whatever we want it for, and now, you know, can you just speak from

your point of view of the affront of taking this pristine land and attempting to run yet another oil pipeline through it, given what we have just heard regarding the risks of climate change? >> defenders all over the globe led by indigenous people. we're 5% of the population globally. native people. we're holding 85% of its biodiversity. they're coming for the last sacred places on mother earth, and we are defending them. we have been defending them. and more and more allies and folks of other walks of life recognize this is the one home that we have, the one shared place we have. this is more than just an affront to climate science. it's an affront to future generations, an affront to tribal nations who have been here since before the united states. it's an affront to all of us who are no longer going to be sacrificed. this is theft of land. and it's time for a different,

new era of justice and equity. >> can you show us what's happening behind you and tell us a little bit about this protest we're hearing that's behind you? >> yeah, sure. so what you're seeing is -- you're seeing massive enbridge pump station. this is the amount of infrastructure needed to electrify line free. it's tar sands sludge they're sending from alberta down through to the mississippi headwaters of lake superior. that's what you're looking at. young people scaled the fences of this pump station this morning and locked every bit of last equipment they could. there's blockade up the road from where i'm standing. there are hundreds of people here who have been here holding space. it has to change and we have to be willing to make the sacrifices to do it. >> jane, what can we do? how can we help? >> you can call or write president biden. you can go to

firedrillfridays.com/takeaction. and you will find out exactly what to say and what to do to pressure president biden to call upon an ending of this pipeline. >> we will do that. we will make sure we put that on all of our social media and mine as well. jane fonda, thank you. tara houska, bless you. we're rooting for you. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. >> tonight, on "all in," a former president and his cronies will retake power or go to jail trying. >> what we need from the president is to put an honest prosecutor in charge. he's going to investigate and dig up the evidence that presently exists. >> the former president's fixer caught on tape and the former chief of staff caught imploring the justice department to act on the big lie. >> then, nbc news tracks down the man at t