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we have new service after advanced warnings go all but ignored. critical information not getting to the people who needed it. that and what is not in this report, like the word insurrection and who did not play ball. national security teams are standing by. plus an interview you will only see here. vice president kamala harris with lester holt as we're ready to see her in minutes ahead of her meeting with the mexican president today. >> do you have any plans to visit the border? >> good morning i'm hallie jackson. we're covering a number of stories this morning. one of the toughest decisions he ever had to make in his life. we're live there and we're watching this.
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one of the first officials ready to raise the flag about a covid lab leak in china taking questions now from lawmakers. as you look at the white house we expect that to come in, we have time to drugle this morning. national security intelligence responder, i think it important to remind folks that there is some information that we knew prior to this coming out. some of this information that we're learning. >> yeah, it's right, after the start of hearings, ig investigations and so on, when, in the lead up to january 6th. this report does the best job of any that we have seen so far.
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it tells us that the intelligence officials that were supposed to pull together, they largely failed to do so. they did, in fact, pick up much of what was coming down their way, warnings about what could happen that day. but that didn't pass the information up or down the chain of chand. officers were ill-trains and ill equipped. they didn't have the necessary squimt they needed and finally on that, police lip from the capital police was absent. lieutenants were crying on the radio does anyone have a plan? a series of recommendations that will get serious debate going
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forward. >> you have bipartisan senators in charge of this report that sat down just a few months ago, watch? >> our job was not to go back and talk about what happened in terms of the motivation. what did we do here in the capital, how can we make sure it never happens again. >> does someone need to look at the how and not just the why? >> our country needs this 9/11 style commission. >> clearly at odds. what recommendations do they agree on in this report in. >> one of the biggest is a change in the law that allows the capital police chief to call in the national guard. it also recommends consolidating the three capitol police intelligence bureaus into one and forming the board, the con
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convoluded system that oversees the capital police. it's unlikely there will be an assault on the capital like this again. if from there is one think they know how to do, it is to protect buildings. they are failing to collect intelligence, and we're all seeing social media posts with people talking about bringing guns, sharing maps, and talking about arresting democratic members of congress. there is a disconnect here. the fbi did not comply with all of the document requests by the senate committees. they're saying there needs to be a commission or more congressional inquirely because there will be more plots, hallie and we rely on the fbi to protect the united states from terrorism. >> one of the things that ken is
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talking about is the failures leading up to the attacks, right? but there was also a break down during the attack according to this report. you hear officers saying like i feel like i was alone and i had to make my own decisions. somebody else saying i was horrified that no deputy chief or above was on the radio or helping us adding that for hours the screens on the radio were horrific, the sites unimaginable, and there was a complete loss of control. how do they accuracy these not just before but during the insir jex. >> i think it is clear they didn't have a component functioning at the time of the event. that allows for that information that didn't occur. i think there is a difference
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between the intelligence they gathered at the moment, and what we talked about before about action able intelligence. that they could have used to change the way they planned for this event. >> so the report itself, the reaction, what about the limb -- limitations, how did that pointed out? >> that should be seen for what it is. this is done by a department when there is trouble in a particular incident like lax, they did an after action at the airport. this is about the capital action. this is an after action on what happens with regard to the capital police and the improvements they can make, but
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it is certainly not all they do by any means. >> i know it is a busy day, we're going to talk more about this report. along with a former veteran of the capital police force. you don't want to miss that conversation. right now turning to vice president kamala harris in mexico city on defense. she is now defending her decision not to personally visit the southern border. an exclusive one on one with our own lester holt. >> do you have any plans to visit the border? >> at some point, we're going to the border, we've been to the border, so the this whole thing about the border. we have been to the border. we have been to the border. >> you have not been to the border. >> and i haven't been to europe. i don't understand the point that you're making. i'm not discounting the importance of the border. >> i mention it because i know
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down the east coast, crazy long lines, he is talking about this payment in his opening statement saying restoring critical infrastructure as quickly as possible in this situation was the right thing to do. that ransom was mostly recovered by the fbi. >> for finally motivated cyber criminals, especially those over seas, cutting off access to revenue is one of the most impactful consequences. good morning to you both, leann, let me start with you what else are we hearing from him this morning? >> hey, hallie, as you said he just started his opening statement and he is going to talk about the difficult decision that he had to make to
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pay the $5 million in ransom. he is going to say that he believes restoring critical infrastructure was the right thing to do for the country. now this testimony is of importance to this entire committee that is currently discussing legislation on how to crack down and how to respond to these attacks. i just caught up with the chair of this committee, gary peters of michigan, and he says this testimony today will inform the committee about the legislation they are crafting. i asked senator peters if banning ransom payments is something that he is considering. he says he is discussing it. he acknowledges they're ways to incentivize future attacks. this is something that will have long, long discussions today. this will have a long road as far as legislation is concerned and this is a topic that koeng
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congress is finally getting on top of. >> suzanne, you heard the testimony there. basically him saying that the paying of the ransom was the right thing to do, was it? >> that's not the moment at which you should be deciding is it a smart idea to pay and do we have a choice? in addition to hardenning the network, you should have a plan in place so you can operate essential functions even in the event of a ransomware attack. that gives you the ability to decide how quickly you need to pay it if you need to pay it. not waiting until the last minute to decide do we have flexibility to not pay and not
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suffer catastrophic consequences for us and for the nation. >> the fbi as we learned recovered most of the money, is that a deterrent message to hackers or is it to companies saying hey, if you mess up the fbi has your back. how do you read that? >> i think that the deputy attorney general was very clear yesterday that companies should not assume the government is going to be able to do this in every instance. we don't know what allowed them to seize these funds in this case. so companies don't need to assume that this will not work in their case. i think it is a deterrence because it diminishes the benefit that's criminals can expect to receive.
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you want to alter their cost benefit analysis, right? reducing the certainty that that i can are the fruits of their labor is important, right? >> thank you so much, we're juggling a lot of livetivity on the hill as we speak. you have the former national security advisor testifying in front of the senate arms services committee. he was an early critic of the initial response calling for an investigation into the or gins of the virus. tell us what we're hearing. i expect that he would get questions about this review that was ordered by the snth. >> that's right and the topic is broad, but one issue of great
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interest to the senators on this committee is the origin of covid-19. he said it did not emerge naturally, but that it escaped from a lab in wuhan china. he talkth about the fact that australia called for an investigation last year and that china responded with economic war fair. president biden called for a 90 day review of what really happened for the origins of covid-19. the theory that gained traction in recent weeks after reports emerged that three scientists became sick enough to need hospital care.
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given the economic response to other countries. we will see how aggressively they respond when all of that happens. >> thank you. up next, we're taking a closer look at the report on the failures that lead to what happened on january 6th. and specifically what that report did not say and who did not participate. we have all of that coming up in a live report plus, a veteran of the capital police force joining us live any second, and this guy, joe manchin meets his critics. one of the folks he is talking with, a civil rights advocate. joining us live in just a minute. advocate. joining us live in just a minute
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deputy police chief. they will continue to get responses from those that have failed to fully comply, but they're not giving more insight into what they think may be being withheld or why. giving democrats new fuel to step up their investigations. joining me now is jake sherman. jake, i know that you have as you always do, been working your sources on the hill since that report came out. is there anyone telling you how significant the gaps in information are? >> you hit on it, and would say this will not only fuel, but throw a liter of fuel on the fire. the investigation was behind closed doors. if you had a january 6th commission, special committee, or a committee in power where
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the investigation was centralized you would be able to hold public hearings and have empty nameplates and chairs where people are not complying with the investigation. this whole thing got so politicized. i think you put it perfectly, hallie. this will fuel that fire in the days ahead. remember one more point, nancy pelosi just moments ago put out a letter to her colleague saying she is hoping the senate will take up the january 6th bill again and if it doesn't she will put an investigation together. that was the under pinning, the under tone, of her letter to democrats a few days before the house returns. >> what does that look like? >> a couple different hospitalizations. one committee empowered to do the investigation, i think that is the at least good option. i think the best option for pelosi if you look at it from her point of view from my reporting would be to empower a special committee, a committee where she chooses who is on the panel to investigation, and they
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conduct an investigation of similar structure. they had a committee that centralized the investigation. i'm not comparing the investigations or the topic, but then you could stream line it and you could decide whether or not to appoint members to that committee. >> retired chief mitch jones, thank you for being back on the show, good morning to you. >> thank you for having me. >> how dangerous or significant is the lack of a full or complete picture here. how do you make sense of that? >> i think number one is that until congress can do an independent investigation police and other departments will be
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the beginy pig it is still coming from the top. you say it comes from the top, but one person said i felt like i was alone like i add to make my own decisions. someone saying we were totally on our own. does anyone have a plan? seeing this, you having been in that situation, what goes through your mind? >> number one is that there is a reason why it was made. someone made a decision not to
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maybe preparations. putting the officers out there is a disgrace to the department. no one ever crossed the line the whole time i was on capital police. but to have a demonstration in the summer time, not to have equipment, not to have everybody report at the same time, management made a big mistake. they left them vulnerable by nemss and they should have had reinforcement. so everybody that was in charge, the sergeant in arms. the achieves of the police, should be held accountable. >> what is that accountability look like and when you talk about the management failures, how do you fix that? what should management look like moving forward when you're talking with police. >> i don't think none of them
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should be police. none of the police, deputy chiefs, assistance chiefs, should be chief because they also left their men naked out there by themselves. we also have to remember that you a sergeant in arms, the house, and the senate that had a lot of experience not to have the equipment, not to the have reinforcement, not to have a coordination with metropolitan police, national guard, prior to the demonstration. something is wrong with that picture. >> i know i believe you had a chance to review some of the report. is there anything else that stands out to you or caught your attention as you look at it? >> what caught my attention is that until you do a investigation of having to do an
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independent investigation you're not going to bring out the real answers. and you can use the capital police as the fall guy, but this needs to be investigated. i think the speaker of the house has an independent investigation. not until you find out then you won't find all of the loopholes. why wasn't there equipment, why wasn't roll call at the same time for all officers. why were people that gets off people getting days off. all of those things will come out and so yes, the chief of police has a position, but people over top of him make the decisions. he is just a person that follows orders. >> bush jones, it's always great
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michigan, barbara, explain this and explain why the biden department of justice here in the current administration would be seeking to make this defense and how could the case go at this point? >> so the justice department doesn't really look at who the person is. it is defending the office of the presidency or the executive branch. the argument goes like this, that if a person is an employee of the government and is engaged in the scope of their duties at the time of the alleged his conduct, then the united states steps in and substitutes itself for the defendant. when i was the attorney in michigan the classic case was that a postal worker was involved in a car accident in his mail truck. as long as he was working and his work was on behalf of the united states the united states would step in and relieve him of civil liability.
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out against his own people's voting rights bill. nancy pelosi without a statement on the john lewis voting rights act. she says that be will passed and it is not a sub si substitute for hr 1. melanie campbell joning us now, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for the inif i vags. >> so you heard, i think, he said no minds were changed. so given that what is next. >> i i think it was a productive meeting. i think the key for us was
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really to have this conversation with him to share our perspectives and really some history as relates to the phil buster and quite honestly it passes as not supporting civil rights and racial justice issues, voting rights as well. we made that case with a weight, and several other that's you know were in the meeting and pulled the meeting together. so the conversation was really about that. i was able to share the historic perspective of the filibuster. we can say something without looking at the full history and africans in this country the
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phil buster has been used to block voting rights legislation. so that was something that we shared. we know that there is modern day thing that's have been "to the benefit of the a party unfortunately and this is not partisan, it's factual, continues to want to be the party of no. it's very challenges for african-americans who have gone to federal -- the federal government to protect our voting rights, to protect our civil rights, that we find ourselves dealing with a process rather than making sure that we're able to protect the people. our democracy is in peril. it was a good conversation. i believe a first start. we did agree that we would continue to meet, but we also are meeting with others in the senate as well. we're going to keep pushing for the things. i left -- i didn't leave there thinking that it was -- that it wasn't about changed minds but opening a dialog and different
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perspectives. he seemed to be open to that. we're looking forward to continue it push for the things we know black people voted for in this country, voting rights and racial justice in this country. >> you say it was productive and a good first step, despite what we heard from the senator coming out of that meeting that this first meeting at least did not necessarily change his mind. i have to ask you, i spoke -- >> he didn't say this -- i can say this. he didn't ano, he wouldn't either. >> did he give you any indication of what would get him over the line, that thought that this gives me hope for getting him there? >> as long as i have the fact that he didn't say no. >> okay. >> is -- >> well -- >> okay. that reality about -- i'm not speaking for him. i can't get into his mind but i know he was open, listening, we engaged. it was a productive, i thought, conversation. i also say, that we're -- that
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he is one of 100 senators so we have to continue to meet in our coalition and many others i know, not just our coalition of civil rights groups, but others, we have to engage these elected officials and we have to engage the democrats and the republicans to make sure that our -- that they know what we want to see happen. it's an uphill battle but always been an uphill battle for our community. >> we spoke with congressman jones on this show yesterday and he is feeling less patient with senator manchin than you. here's what he had to say about senator manchin's opposition to this. >> senator manchin would rather preserve jim crow on out dated theory on bipartisan. >> do you think that perspective, that language is number one accurate or helpful to the process? >> i think everybody has a right to say -- he's a congress person in that chamber, so he has a
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right to voice his opinion about it. what i share is some ways about that racist history, about the fact that you couldn't get anti-lynching passed, about the fact that folks tried to stop us from getting our voting rights in the country and the filibuster was used against it. dr. king spoke about it in 1963, the fact that because of the filibuster people were blocking the about for us to get civil rights legislation. we know that history and so that's part of what we try to share with that. >> okay. >> but also the reality that for african-americans, is that federal legislation has been the way of protecting our rights an when you have so many states that are rolling back the clock on voting rightness this country where do we go? i asked that question, where do we go if the federal government doesn't do its job, and congress, and people for partisan gains will deny us our right to vote, not just black
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people but brown people, young people, poor people, people from west virginia will be impacted by this as well. >> a lot of people watching what's going on in those state houses closely as well. melanie campbell, thank you for your time. coming up minutes from now, vice president harris meeting with mexico's president or appearing in mexico ahead of the meeting to talk about the crisis at the border and we'll take you live to mexico city. up next, you may be wondering what percentage of california is under a severe drought at this point? 100%. the entire state. all of it. we're live at the second biggest reservoir in the state where water levels are at an all-time low with steve patterson. hey, steve. >> it means for the state of california and the entire west coast and one industry that is feeling the pain because they're taking the brunt of it after the break. you're watching msnbc. break. you're watching msnbc. lothes that just don't smell clean? what if your clothes could stay fresh for weeks?
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triangle. in washington state this morning, a new incentive to get vaccinated. free weed. that's right. you can get your own free rolled joint free of charge in washington if you're 21 years or older and got your first or second dose at an on site vaccination clinic. the state is calling this promotion, joints for jabs. others are unofficially calling it, poke and toke. that's catchy. it's the latest creative way states are trying to incentivize people to get the shot. free beer, free cash, free weed, whatever works. out west in california the state is under 100% drought conditions. that's right. 100%. the entire state feeling the heat and that's putting many of the state's farmers in a tough situation. nbc's steve patterson has been reporting on this one. steve, good morning. >> hallie, good morning. i'll tell you about the trickle down of this no pun intended in a bit. i want to start with causation.
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i'm standing in front of lake orville, the second largest reservoir in the state of california. it's at about 700 feet. the record all-time low is about 640. scientists predict it will meet that or break that by about august, which will mean that the hydro electric plant that this lake powers is likely to shut down. it also means a lot of farmers are feeling the pain because you can multiply this reservoir by about 1500 nearly every single one is at about 50% of the average level it should be at which means those farmers and small communities are getting less fresh water which means by proxy that they're not able to water as many crops as they would like to. i spent a lot of time with a farmer named joe in the central valley. he's left 600 acres of his 2,000 acre farm left unseeded. it means seven-figure losses and people that depend on that work to feed their families will have
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to be laid off. he spoke about what he would like to see from the government, giving more water to the cities and less to the farmers. right now they're having a problem securing some of the water and what they would like to see is more water storage in the state of california. it's tough for those farmers that are trying to survive. hallie, back to you. >> steve patterson with that, thank you so much. i appreciate your reporting and all of you for watching this hour of msnbc reports. find us on twitter, @hallie on msnbc. chris jansing picks up our coverage right here. good morning. i'm chris jansing in for craig melvin. a haunting question, does anybody have a plan? on january 6th that's what one police lieutenant asked over and over again during the chaos. there are more harrowing accounts like that one in a new 93-page, bipartisan senate report out in the last couple hours. the report's conclusion is
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