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joint senate committee has released the most comprehensive report on january 6 including about inside tunnels and more. amy klobuchar joins us. vice president harris meeting with president's mexico today after defending the decision not to visit the mexico/u.s. border. >> we have been to the border. >> you haven't been to the border. >> and i haven't been to europe. i don't understand the point you are making. >> in guatemala the president issued blunt messages, do not come to the u.s. the vice president facing
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pushback. and a day after the fbi announced they have recovered millions in colonial pipeline money paid to hackers. the president talks about why he paid it. first to our top story, the far-reaching intelligence failures at every level during the deadly attack to overturn the election january 6. amy klobuchar chairs the senate committee report. the u.s. capital police released a port insisting it looked at information and insisting that prior to january 6 there was nos info. but your report talks about them
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not sharing critical information with the officers themselves who were on the front line. and that the leadership provided to provide front line officers with effective protective equipment or training. >> can you talk about the findings? >> this was a bipartisan report from beginning to end. what we focused on here was capital security and that breakdown of intelligence. first of all that capital police leadership has three different units of intelligence that have conflicting information. some saying they had no, others saying fbi had information that didn't make it up to leadership. and they acknowledge they should have done a better job with things released on social media,
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for instance tunnels under the capital. and that it took too long to get troops to the capital. multiple failures, the one thing that united us was let's not talk just about the failures, let's talk about the recommendations and how we fix this going forward. >> one police report says he was horrified that no deputy chief was on the radios helping us or above. and, quote, that there was a complete loss of control. >> two of them were on the front lines because there weren't enough people on the front lines. they didn't have a preparation plan in an unbelievable incident like this where the capital had been breached. there should have been plans about who is on the radio and
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who is on the front line. there was one haunting report of words over the radio, does anybody have a plan. that's what we are left with, more contingency plans. senator blount and i look to immediately pass legislation to immediately call in the national guard which should have happened before, but also on his or her own without going through layers of bur rock bureaucracy and sadly that's the way it is now. >> and reports that there were desperate calls to the white house and pentagon and not getting answers. so what was president trump doing during this time.
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>> we have outlined what is common knowledge in our report about president trump's speech, about encouraging them to march down from the mall and the like. one reason i believe we need a 9/11 type commission and investigation is we felt our investigation was clear. we wanted to get immediate recommendations to help with funding, to help with getting bills passed and make changes in the police department and the like. but the whole side of it about the rise of white supremecism and what needs to be done. i believe this report is not a substitute for that, but something we needed to do immediately. >> what do you do about the fact that mitch mcconnell is already
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saying this does it. we don't need the other investigation. chuck schumer still reserving the right to push forward for something, but right now the republicans are opposing it. >> we must keep pushing them. it is not over yet, right? the need for this report will go on for many, many years. the public saw with horror through the eyes of the impeachment hearing the videos and what happened. as speaker pelosi said, we will keep having hearings, but not a replacement for one big report. i remember even years later implementing the 9/11 recommendation. because mitch mcconnell is trying to block this, i don't see it happening in the near future. >> what would take to get the national guard away from dod authority and get more control
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to the capitol police? >> they would still be under the department of defense as they are across the country, but the idea would be to have more scenarios and contingency groups to help. what we would do would be to allow the new chief of police and that person is being selected by the police board to not have to go through the police board in making emergency calls and not getting answers. ridiculous. but the other part is training for regional national guard. there hadn't been training and planning. the chief of staff to the head of the army said in one of our interviews we did for this report. this is not like a pickup game, this situation where they suddenly all come together and can do it. this was like the super bowl of
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domestic terrorism and there should have been planning ahead. >> did your report indicate any deliberate effort to stall from authorities? >> we had a limited look at what happened here. we did not find that, but found delays that should not have occurred. that doesn't mean that there wasn't something going on that we didn't focus on because of our jurisdiction and our decision to focus on the immediate. one, there will be more investigations going out out of both committees including the hearing senator blount and i are having next week and i know senator peters and portman will be doing more. but the best place to look at all of that would be with a 9/11 independent commission with subpoena authority who would be able to look at all of that and bring in witnesses with a more
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limited staff and jurisdiction we could not do in this immediate timeframe. >> senator klobuchar, we are very thankful for you coming on today and giving us your report, which is an extraordinary piece of work as far as it could go. >> and joining us is bill bratten. his new book is entitled "the reaction." you have been through so many investigations, this was limited, but as far as it goes, how good a job did they do at looking at the successes and fame urs. -- failures. >> i will be looking at it this afternoon. listening to your interview, the gist of what the report is attempting to do is essential. we need unity of command in
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these events and that was lacking. in this case the layers of brewer rock si, the confusion of it, the challenge now will be to implement these recommendations, at least the ones summarized on the screen makes sense to me. but the devil is in the details. we will see how far it goes. >> the report also includes a devastating report from one capitol police officer. he says we were ill prepared -- abandoned and betrayed says so much about morale and force preparations by the capitol police. >> i think so. everything i understand about the preparation for that event deserves to be criticized. we need to thank god that the
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capitol police officers rank and file and some of their leadership basically saved democracy on that day. in terms of leadership, we can continue to criticize a significant number of congress who refused to recognize these men and women and refused to protect them in the time protecting the capitol. it is a sad time. i would hope that the catastrophe we almost had on january 6 would have brought us together. unfortunately it took us further apart. it will be interesting if we can find common ground again. >> should the fbi have issued a threat or warning? >> that's one of the recommendations. i would support that.
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there has been so much confusion about what happened on that day. what was passed up the line. who knew what. hopefully as i read the senate report i will get some clarification out of professional interest. this is a first step, but we need a comprehensive national commission. it might take a couple years to form it up, but there are still so many unanswered questions here that need to be answered going forward. >> casey hunt, along with a number of our colleagues, were in the middle of this, because the reporters were also on the front line. she just talked to a capitol police officer. i want to play it for us. >> how long -- yes. with flags, with hammer, with
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ladder, can goals, with black -- metal, rebar, bats, pepper spray, bear spray. you know, whatever items they were finding inside the stage because that was a construction site, they started ripping it apart and using them as weapons. it was unbelievable. unbelievable. the crowd wouldn't listen to anything the police were saying, at all. they continued to say we are here because our president trump send us here. we won't listen to nobody else but him. >> that was a sergeant with casey hunt now. what do you do when you are up
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against -- how much training can help when you are up against an invasion force that has gotten past the perimeter and is using everything that they can as a weapon? >> all of the training in the world won't help without support, leadership, right now that is still missing in terms of congress. i don't know how those congressmen and women can deal with those capitol police each day knowing how they betrayed them and continue to betrayed them. i don't envy the next capitol chief of police. i hope they conduct a if massive search because they need somebody to fix that because quite clearly it's a mess. >> commissioner, your decades of experience in the profession, we look forward to having you back. >> happy to be with you. thank you.
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the websites for "the new york times," bloomberg, spotify and others are back online after it was shut down. the company known as fastly saying the outage was not the result of an act or foul play. the ceo of colonial pipeline telling a senate committee about his decision to pay off the hackers. >> i made the decision to pay and keep the information about the payment as confidential as possible. it was the hardest decision i have made in my 39 years in the energy industry. i know how critical our pipeline is to the country and i put the interest of the country first. >> ceo did coordinate his payment with the fbi who were in
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on it from the beginning. i am joined by pete williams. this is an incredible story. what do we hear about how prepared the company is going forward? >> we learned that the hackers got into colonial's data system through a program they thought wasn't used anymore. one that employees can access through vpn. it required only a user name and password, single factor. the company has shut that down. that is one change. we learned new details. colonial discovered at 5:00 a.m. on may 7 that it was hit with ransomware and shut down the pipeline remarkably quickly, within 15 minutes because the company didn't know whether the hackers only got into the data system or into the computer system that controls the pipeline. they contacted fbi and were in
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touch with several other federal agencies. with the uncertainty of what was hit, the ceo said he decided to pay the ransom the next day because of the need to get the pipeline back up as soon as possible. he said the fbi did not try to talk him out of paying the ransom although he knew well they felt ransoms shouldn't be paid. they got in through a single factor vpn, they said it proves you are only as strong as your weakest link. >> there is no requirement they notify the government. there are a lot of loose parts. it is a good thing they told the government and that the government jumped on it. >> the ceo said a lot of his time was spent talking to
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federal agencies. he thought it would be helpful if there was a single point of contact. there isn't. colonial reached out to the nearest fbi office in atlanta which referred them to the office in san francisco because they are already investigating deep state. but he had to stay in contact with homeland secures, department of homeland security, tsa. and he said it would be nice if there were one place to go. >> such a fascinating story. and can president biden reshape relations with president putin after four years of president trump. and we will hear from john bolton who was in helsinki all three years ago with putin. all three years ago with putin ♪you've got the brawn♪ ♪i've got the brains♪ ♪let's make lots of♪ ♪uh uh uh♪
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president biden is preparing for his first foreign trip tomorrow including his high stakes meeting with vladimir putin. he spoke on the phone yesterday with the ukraine president assuring him he would be sticking up for ukraine. and he also told him he looks forward to him coming to the white house this summer. peter, you know this issue so well with vladimir putin.
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over the weekend the president of ukraine urged him to meet with him before putin. that was important to him. why did the president decide not to? >> the president already reached out to president putin. this meeting in geneva had been set for a number of weeks. i don't think it was possible to meet with him beforehand. but i think he made a point of saying he would be invited to the white house as a way of reassuring the president. he handled the ukraine office during the obama administration when russia invaded. it was biden who pushed to tougher policies in response to russia's aggression. so there is a long standing record between biden and ukraine
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on russia's aggression against its neighbor. >> that's what made biden so vulnerable to giuliani and others on behalf of donald trump saying he had wrongdoing. what can we expect? >> there aren't deliverables, nothing on the table that they will walk away with an agreement on something. the attitude in the administration is how do we keep russia from being a bigger problem for us over the next four years. they want to keep russia from becoming a bigger obstacle to progress in europe and elsewhere. the purpose of the meeting is a
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maintenance kind of meeting to keep putin from creating more trouble on the international sphere to the extent they can. they want to have foreign policy, particularly in asia, where they have a desire to focus more american attention. this is not meant to create a new relationship or solve issues, but to keep things from getting worse given how bad they have been. >> presidents don't always get to control what their crises are as this president has already discovered. thank you very much, peter baker. >> and joining us now is john bolton. he was with the trump administration and bush 41 and 43 administrations. what can president biden expect to gain in this meeting with
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vladimir putin? >> i think this meeting is premature. i don't think biden understands what his objectives with russia are or how to achieve them. there is a long list of potential disagreements and conflicts with russia. having a meeting where you go down a list and say we raised russian hacking interference and ukraine. i think putin is a wily, experienced, well prepared leader. he will have his objectives. i am a little worried, frankly, that the biden administration is more process than substance and will leave us vulnerable. i think you can always have phone conversations. i think this meeting is probably premature.
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>> with all due respect, was donald trump prepared for a meeting with vladimir putin? >> of course not. he didn't prepare for meetings in any traditional sense because he didn't feel he needed to. he was good at sizing people up in 30 seconds or so and he would deal with them in that very personal way. i am not going to downplay the importance of personal relations, but they are certainly not the alpha and omega. >> you have touched on russia at least harboring the ransomware hackers on its soil responsible for colonial pipeline and other attacks. how tough, given that this meeting is going to take place,
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how tough does biden need to be with vladimir putin? >> well, i think he ought to be very tough in a number of respects. the question is whether that's what he is prepared to do. let me give you two examples. biden and his team have said that the completion of the nord stream 2 pipeline between russia and germany is not something they want to see happen. they think it would be detrimental, but even acknowledging that statuary sanctions are been triggered, biden waived the sanctions. that may be a signal to putin that biden may talk tough but the action doesn't follow. the second is on the hacks on solar winds and others. putin has a script he has used many times, he has said it directly to me. the russian state didn't do
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this. maybe there are actors on russian territory, let us know who they are and we will take care of them. it is plausibility denability, at least in putin's eyes. biden needs to say we will take action and we will show you cannot do it without imposing heavier cost. will biden do that? i don't know. >> there was a memorable phone call between rudy giuliani and a senior adviser to the ukrainian president. let's listen.
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>> now when i was in kiev, i interviewed a former adviser to him and he was listening to a controversial call. let's watch. >> the interesting part to the call, to me one of the most important ones was where towards the end of the call rudy giuliani openly says there is a problem in the president's mind. let's not call it a problem, but let's call it a question. i wasn't the only one who put it there, but i know how to fix it. he is admitting selling those conspiracy theories to president trump. >> rudy's role, you were aware of it at the time. how do you explain rudy giuliani
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pressuring the ukrainian government on behalf of president trump? >> unfortunately, what i was aware of at the time was how much i was not aware of what rudy was doing. having listened to that excerpt from the call and a couple others doesn't surprise me and it represents the impermissible of mixing of public policy with private policy. listening, using his official capacity to disguise this political pressure. it's very troubling, one of many examples of president trump going outside official channels of communication to say the least, in pursuit of his own political objectives, but mixing in government interest.
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that is impermissible and indeed, i think, impeachable. >> january 6 and donald trump, we have this bipartisan report from two committees. it deals with but doesn't answer the key questions of what was donald trump doing during the long delay. you were there as the national security adviser. what was going on? >> i think trump was watching television. i think he was watching the riot unfold. i think he was hoping somehow or another that the disruption of the certification of the electoral votes would buy him more time for something. i think he was running out of options even in his own mind, but i think his standard practice would be throw everything up in the air and hope he will have an idea as it floats to the ground.
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i can just see him in the dining room right off the oval office with the big screen and watching the rioters, thinking he would not do anything about it because this is what he intended. >> the so-called havana syndrome, i have covered it for years and you have covered it. now there are reports that it could have been, could have been, a directed energy weapon that the russians have been working on for decades and earlier iterations and it could have in fact affected some national security council staff members in the white house on u.s. soil and on a trip to london. were you aware of this at the time, medical problems they experienced? >> yes, absolutely. a short answer to a long series of events. we saw very early what the
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problems caused by some outside force had been in havana and then in china and then elsewhere. my deputy charles kupperman who is technologically familiar with a lot of this, directed energy kind of weapon and we simply couldn't get the intelligence community and others to focus and really admit there was a problem. it was extremely frustrating i must say. i hope now it is not too late. a lot of people have been affected by it. the intelligence community i think is now taking it seriously and it is not a moment too soon. >> do you think it actually happened near the white house on u.s. soil, not just in havana, china, russia, overseas? >> i know some of the people who experienced this. i don't hit it it's in their minds.
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i think something real happened to them. i don't think we necessary know the full implications of it, but the idea that they imagined the force that they were subjected to just doesn't pass the smile test. i feel that many other people who have reported these kinds of attacks or suffered the kind of force that's been described are telling the truth and, as i said, it was incredibly frustrating not to be able to get the bureaucracy to move especially on the front that this might have come from russia. there may be other sources, several adversaries of ours may be working on it, but we have to come to grips with it. >> do you think this was likely russia? >> the information available, at least at the time i left the
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government, hopefully there is more since then, but it is likely it was russia. but china, iran, north korea may be working on the same issue. china most likely. i think this is something that the u.s. government has to come to a conclusion on. i think just sitting back and saying it's psychosomatic or these people have problems, blaming it on the victims isn't going to work here. >> thank you so very much, john bolton. >> one quick thing. joe manchin saying no to the civil rights leaders, the fallout on capitol hill, and senator chris coons. and new legislation has been passed requiring the cia and state department to do exactly
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major legislation passed without bipartisan support. he has repeatedly shut down the filibuster. let's go to garrett haake. >> joe manchin has been firm on these types of things. they called the meeting constructive, but also pointed out this is the start of relationship building which is not necessarily the position you want to be in when you are trying to whip someone on a specific piece of legislation. the start of the conversation that perhaps it might be constructive down the line on a bill that senator manchin might support. but no movement on the senator on the "for the people" act. >> thanks, garrett. we will be following that through you.
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>> and now senator chris coons. joe manchin saying he was not changing his mind on it, but is the voting rights bill dead? >> it was disappointing news that joe manchin is not going to support the bill. i know joe well. we have served together for over a decade. now that we know where he stands, we need to get to work to see how we can get to work with joe manchin to get president biden's bold bills on infrastructure and on voting rights. >> what you witnessed, does the
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january 6 report answer your questions or should there be a last minute question to get a bipartisan commission to answer more about sources of the attack. >> the bipartisan report released this morning speak only to the things they were able to get answers to. the key questions you were discussing earlier with john bolton that we don't have answers to is what was president trump doing, what was his role in instigating and failing to act responsibly to the january 6 riot here in the capitol. what was the role of the fbi and national guard? we need a bipartisan january 6 commission that will look at the broaders questions that under -- underlie that riot.
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the report that came out today, while important, we need more. >> john bolton said he doesn't think there should be a summit yet with vladimir putin, and he said he didn't think he was ready yet. i asked about president trump and he said of course he wasn't ready. what is your thought. >> president biden from the day he was sworn in to today has been relentless in getting vaccines to american people. over 170 million have been vaccinated. there is no better time to meet one-on-one with vladimir putin and confront him about his
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destabilizing actions, his aggression against the entire west following on the heels of what i think will be successful meetings with uk, nato. i think there is no better time to make it clear to vat mere -- vladimir putin what he intends to do. >> what about that he has waffled about the pipeline by suspending sanctions? >> i think security adviser bolton has his own record to defend. i do think a key part with our allies will be how to push back on russia. one of my concerns is that the nord stream pipeline will give them access to the german market. it is not yet completed.
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and i think president biden -- who came in with decades of experience in foreign policy and with deep personal relationships with european leaders -- understands better pitfalls of summit? >> what are the pitfalls of the summit with president putin? as we saw with president trump, someone who was ill-prepared and he and didn't understand the context or history, who didn't have a clear assessment of putin or his agenda with regards to the west, ended up stumbling. that's what happened in helsinki. president biden on the other hand is very well briefed and very well informed. he will go to a meeting with putin clear-eyed about the ways in which russia, under putin, has meddled in our elections, undermined our national security and tried to divide us from our vital allies in the west. that's why i think it will be a purposeful and productive meeting.
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frankly, andrea, the other thing biden is doing is leading the globl response to covid-19. i just returned from a bipartisan trip from taiwan and south korea, and i'll tell you, our vital partners in that region were thrilled to receive donations. in the case of south korea, a million vaccines badly needed. in the case of taiwan, 750,000. i expect president biden to lead the world effort in response to this dreaded pandemic and that will be another critical part of what he will be doing in europe, mobilizing the world to this vital public health crisis and to meet this moment. >> senator chris coons as always, sir, thank you. and border crossing, kamala harris making waves on her first foreign trip as vice president. her exclusive comments to lester holt. this is "andrea mitchell reports." reports. struggling to manage my type 2 diabetes was knocking me out of my zone, but lowering my a1c with once-weekly ozempic® helped me get back in it. ♪ oh, oh, oh, ozempic® ♪
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near real time data for fast decision making. this is business at the speed of 5g. because the more businesses do with 5g, the more your network matters. it's us pushing us. it's verizon vs verizon. vice president kamala harris is wrapping up her first foreign trip, meeting with mexico's president today and focusing on the root causes of immigration. and the vice president is getting pushback for not visiting the border on this trip. in an exclusive interview with "nbc nightly news" with lester holt, he asked why that wasn't part of the last trip. >> do you have any plans to visit the border? >> at some point -- we are going to the border. we've been to the border.
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so this whole thing about the border, we've been to the border. we've been to the border. >> you haven't been to the border? >> and i haven't been to europe. i don't understand the importance you're making. i'm not discounting the importance of the border. >> monica alba is in mexico with the vice president on this trip. you just heard the vice president say she's dealing with root causes, not border security, trying to focus attention on what she's doing by going to guatemala but she couldn't go to honduras or el salvador because of reasons of corruption and other problems in those countries, which were part of that triangle. how does she progress? how do we begin to fix this problem? >> it's an incredibly tricky tight rope she's walking here, andrea, you're absolutely right. the challenges of the northern triangle country, poverty, violence, corruption, the vice president trying to make her
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mark and deliver this message that the administration for months has been attempted to convey but hasn't landed, given we haven't seen the surge in violence at the mexico border. here today with the mexican president oeb adore we saw the vice president say she's embarking on a new era, new relationship between the u.s. and mexico. we all remember former president trump had a cozy relationship with him. so here the vice president going to say we're going to turn a new page. yesterday she was quite frank with the guatemalan president. today we can expect the same, even though these meetings are ongoing. that message, the real headline yesterday, her warning and stern directive to not come to these migrants is what's really at play here and this is something we can expect her to repeat as wall. take a listen to exactly how she framed it in guatemala. >> the goal of our work is to help guatemalans find hope at
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homement at the same time, i want to be clear to folks in this region who are thinking about making that dangerous trek to the united states/mexico border. do not come. do not come. >> progressives are already slamming that as we saw congressman oscasio-cortez saying it was disappointing to see, andrea. that's also, of course, a bit of a controversy for her trip and her decision so far not to visit the border in person, though there will likely be pressure on her to do that at some point in this role as the diplomatic liaison to the northern triangle. andrea? >> monica alba great, thank you very much. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." i will be with president biden on his first foreign trip starting tomorrow and bringing you the latest developments from europe beginning next week at the g7 summit all the way
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