create economic resources and possibilities for people in this region. over the last couple of months, we have convened some of the largest philanthropic organizations in the united states who are all international in their footprint to see allow they can extend the work they do in partnership with the united states government and the other friends we are bringing to the table. we have brought together civil society leaders in the united states and those of guatemala. i was privileged to be able to meet with them after our first meeting that was virtual in person yesterday. to the united nations to solicit

support and contributions to our friends around the globe. the renew their focus on the need of this country. understanding the needs that exist here but also the capacity. what has become clear to me during the course of this meeting and this trip is something i already knew but has been reenforced which we all understand. people have pride in the place they're from. people have pride in the place they're from. when we're talking about the work that we are doing, we must approach it with an understanding of the capacity of people and not just their needs. understanding that they have pride associated with where they are from for good reason based on the history of those places, based on the culture of those places, based on the contributions that those places

have made for thousands of years. this is the work that we have been doing. i'm proud to report that the agreements that we have reached are the result of all of the work leading up to this week and they are very tangible and very specific. do i declare this trip a success? yes i do. of my conversations with the variety of people we met with in guatemala, including concerns about those who are in exile from guatemala and the united states. who i have met with and

convened. out of the trip to guatemala, we have an agreement to create a smugging and trafficking task force. one of issues not only there but here in mexico and i've issue i've worked on for a very long time in my career before i reached the senate and much less before i became vice president. the need to address the fact there's some of our most vulnerable populations that are susceptible to abuse and susceptible to fraud and more horrible things as a result of the smuggling we have been witnessing. from guatemala we came out of that with an agreement to create a young women's power initiate ifr and dedicating 40 million u.s. dollars to that initiate ifr. why? i knew it before and this is not unique to this region. it's an isn't it true the united states -- issue in the united states as well.

we need to do more as a globe. those of us with resources need to do much more to invest in girls and women around the world. we came out of that trip with an agreement to supply $48 million to guatemala to support affordable housing, agra business and ntrepreneurs. i spoke of the young women i met with who are entrepreneurs. i will tell you that one of the biggest basis for the economy in guatemala is agriculture. if you have ever met or know a farmer, you have met some of the most innovative people in the world because they have to adapt. because they have to be creative. because they have to be thoughtful about creating out a situation that may be unpredictable. something that is productive. we are investing in guatemala in that regard. in terms of our visit to mexico

as you know i met with the president this morning, we had a long meeting both he and i in person one-on-one and during the course of our bilateral meeting. one of the first agreements we reached is a memorandum of understanding on how mexico as a partner to the united states will with the united states focus our resources on central america and in particular on three countries, el salvador, honduras and guatemala. where we understand the capacity the united states and one of its closest neighbors. i joke our first cousin, our canadians are also our first cousin. how we can work together with the resources that we collectively have in h region to focus on central america. we came out of the bilateral today with the president of

mexico and his leading cabinet members with an understanding about what we will do in terms of an economic dialogue which will include top members of the united states cabinet working together with top leaders in mexico to see how we can expand our economic relationship understanding the interdependence and the interconnection between the united states and mexico when it comes to our economies. we have seen there's a direct relationship. when one is doing well, the other is doing well. the united states will see an increase in our gdp of 6.9% which will be the greatest growth we have experienced in 40 years. we believe this prosperity will be shared by our neighbors.

we talked about agreements around security. the point about trafficking but also the trafficking of guns, the trafficking of drugs. we had a specific conversation about fentanyl and the need for security around the ports, which the president is working on. for those on the united states press, you know, the damage it has done when it turns into opioids and the havoc it's caused in our country. we came out of our meeting declaring 130 million u.s. dollars we will dedicate to the labor reform movement in mexico.

president joe biden and i are proud we will be the most pro-union administration. we see an alignment with the leadership in mexico. we took a meeting with leading labor, activists and professionals, lawyers and people who are organizing people on the ground to talk about how we can support the interconnection with the united states and mexico when it comes to our labor force. this is some of the work we have done. the issues that are long standing by virtue of the nature of them will never besoevered overnight. it's important that we make progress. i remain optimistic about the

potential for that progress. i also believe that if we see the capacity of the people and if we invest in their capacity, we will see great returns on our investment. with that, thank you and i'm happy to take questions. >> thank you. our first question will come from jeremy diamond at cnn. >> thank you so much. just i have a foreign policy and domestic policy question but just to clear something up that's been in the news for the last 24 hours or so, can you commit you will visit the u.s.-mexico border and will you do it soon? >> let me tell you something. i have and i have before. anybody, especially if you're from california, you know, i

spent a lot of time on the border and going there physically and aware of the issues. the reality is we need to prioritize what's happening at the border and we have to prioritize why people are going to the border. let's talk about what's going on in the places that are causing the issue at the border. i think it's shortsighted for any of us in the business of problem solving to suggest we're only going to respond to the reaction as opposed to addressing the cause. that is the approach we are taking. when the president asked me to deal with this issue it was about addressing the root causes of my grags. the root kaudss are based on the problems and the challenges that

people are facing in countries like guatemala, which is why i was there. >> you want to provide a message of hope but you also said with warning. you said do not come. you warned that would be migrants would be turned away at the border. why did you feel it was important to relay that message while in guatemala? are you worried it may have drowned out your message of hope? senator joe manchin will not vote to weaken the filibuster. given his position on that and the current make up of the senate, what is your vehicle for moving forward on voting rights in congress and is it time for you to perhaps look outside of congress for progress on that issue? thank you. >> i know our capacity to give people hope in that region and

the three countries in central america. i have no question in my mind that the work that we have done, including the agreements will have a positive impact. it may not be evidenced overnight but it will have a positive impact. people who are traveling through mexico to come to our border, it can be treacherous and dangerous. i don't take that lightly. i don't take that lightly. the reality of it is that we have to address the root causes of why they are fleeing. again, i will tell you, over and over again with the people that i've met during this trip who represent a broad swath of

people of every stature, every cohort from the indigenous people and representatives and leaders in guatemala to people who represent lgbt individual who is have been the subject of persecution. whoever i meet, what they will say is that ultimately they want to be safe at home. it doesn't impede the ability to get the resources the government should provide to its people. that's opinion the focus. on the issue of voting rights, the legislation is critically important.

attempts to interfere with a fundamental right of the american people which is a foundation of our democracy and by the way, this is not even a bipartisan issue. from my perspective it's nonpartisan. what they are trying to do these efforts to suppress or make it more difficult to vote will impact a wide variety of people, whoever they voted for in the last election. early voting, vote by mail, drop boxes. those boxes don't have sign democrat or republican. we're going to keep pushing for what we need to do to push back and stop these efforts to suppress the vote. there's the legislation and the

work we will continue to do of uplifting the issue so we can make sure every one is aware of what is happening and that's about the bully pulpit. that's about elevating public discourse around the issue. we will and the president has announced this in terms of executive orders. part of this is the debate that's occurring around the world about the relative strength or weakness of autocracies versus democracies. one of america's strength is we can hold ourselves out in world and hopefully travel to places where we have some level of respect because we say we're a democracy and true to our

democratic values. one of the most fundamental of them, free and fair elections people have the right to vote and it's unimpeded. there's a lot at stake on this issue that is about the legislation but it's also about fundamental rights. we're not giving up. >> our next question from the wall street. >> where are you? >> i'm in the back. >> vice president harris. in your conversations on this trip, have you made any commitments to expanding legal pathways for migrants, including work permits or for asylum seekers to apply from home countries and related to that, did you come to any agreements with president lopez on mexico taking back asylum seeking families? >> we had discussions that were about the need for example to

re-examine travel restrictions. there was an announcement after my meeting that you may be aware of where we are setting up the working group to address that and figure out how we can move forward in that regard. there was a discussion about also what mexico will do in terms of increasing its temporary work visas for people entering mexico through a southern border. there were no promises made or any commitments but we did have the discussion. we did not discuss title 42. >> our next question will come from maria at univision. >> thank you. it's an honor because i got to vote for the first time as a nationalized citizen. i voted for you. >> thank you.

>> my question is what would you say to these women, those mothers and also women of color on both sides of the border, farmers, many of them who i see every day as a message of hope but what will you do for them in the next coming of years? >> that's a great question. thank you. it was the subject of both days and a priority for me to convene women leaders to talk about exactly this issue. this is not unique to any one region. we can look around the world to fight for the equality of women and the disparities that exist in every sector be it education or the economy. to your point, to give people hope in the process of doing that. what we saw in guatemala, for example where the theme that is

in the united states, in guatemala and here. access to capital. big issue. are women given equal access to capital, to the financial resources they need to invest in their own entrepreneurship in a way they can achieve economic success. our young women empowerment. the conversations that i had there included that women, if they don't have collateral, we're not given a loan but because of certain customs and the way things work out, they may not have title to the

collateral that otherwise would be the basis of the loans. there's discussions about the interest rates being charged. here we talked with women entrepreneurs about very similar issue and what we can do to also use technology to get direct relationships with these women and connect them with financing institutions. this is some of the work i've been doing in conveing the ceos in the u.s. including folks like mastercard and microsoft who are interested in growing the capacity in terms of their digital health of these women so we can do online banking. it's called fintech. financial technology.

it's fact a woman will endure almost any abuse if it means making sure her children are fed and there's a roof over their head. woumpb the best ways to ensure that women have power is to make sure they have economic independence so they can make the choices about where they are and they don't have to accept a false choice of feeding their children or enduing abuse. when we look around the world we know that is true and these issues are connected and let's see the interconnection. part of the focus for us in this region is about violence. we talk about safety and security. when we do that let's remember the violence against women and children and usually disproportionately so. there are many avenues through

which we can address that economic empowerment is one of them. thank you for that question. >> our next question will come from monica alba at nbc. >> hi. >> yesterday you said you didn't want focus on grand gestures as it related to visiting the u.s.-mexico border and today you stated that you will be going. can you help us understand how this trip in particular to guatemala and mexico helped shift your thinking on that position in particular and now that you have seen the root causes of migration and where that journey begins for many, how soon be you go to see where it ends for many of them as well? >> the issue of root causes is not going to be solved in one trip that took two days. this is an issue that is long standing in many cases generational. it's not a new issue for the united states to feel the effects of those root causes on

our shores. it's not new for us to experience that people will come to to united states if they are fleeing situations where they cannot feed their children. this must be going deep and making a commit ment over a period knowing nothing we can do will address it overnight. that's my perspective on this issue. i'm committed to doing what is necessary in the time that we have to deal with the complexities of this. it would do a disservice to the issue itself. it would do a disservice if that's the issue that concerns some.

to address the root causes as though it could be dealt with something overnight. >> our last question. >> your administration print out -- >> on the what? >> on the reunification task force report that the biden administration put out, only seven children separated by the trump administration have been reunited with their family so far. 2100 are still waiting. i want to know if that came up in your conversations and if it's your sense that hundreds of these may never be reunited at this point and will your administration support those separated families to pursue a path to u.s. citizenship? >> i believe that was a cruel policy to separate children from their parents. many of them very young children. the president feels the same way and we as an administration have made it a high priority to

reunify those children with their parents. the way the policy was carried outd and now we're coming in after it happened is we have to locate people. we've got to find people, literally find people. we cannot give up on that. it will take a lot of work and the work is worth it. we'll continue to do it. >> our last question will come from tamra key. >> all right, every one. that is vice president kamala harris in mexico city for her first solo foreign tour. she visited guatemala. she visited mexico. she meld meetings with the presidents of both of those countries. she's now giving a press conference about a good 25

minutes in. it was almost a 35-minute press conference in which the vice president discussed policy extensively. policy ideas and agreements and commitments that she was able to achieve during this visit. this is a popular opinion in the business now. i think we need to have some perspective. there are century countries in central america. there's another dozen countries in two sort of territories in south america. the border with mexico is not the only important issue that matters to the world. those seven countries have a long history with the united states. much of it troubling.

the united states used much of central america as a plantation. we have a long sordid history with this region. the history does not begin at the border where people are showing up. that's not the only important thing that matters. there's a whole history that long proceeds people arriving at the border between mexico and the united states. to reduce what we just heard, ten minutes of that, to are you going to the border, to me strikes me, personally, as missing a huge opportunity. we have this huge opportunity to understand the reasons why the things that proceeded that happening. let me go through some of the things the vice president said. i think this is an important line she had. she said most people and this is true because anyone who ever livered anywhere knows this do not want to leave home. when people flee their home, they are either fleeing harm,

says the vice president or they know that to stay at home means they will be unable to meet the basic needs of their family. people want to stay home. she talked about the pride that people have in their homes. their homes are a history. they are the link to their family, to their grandparents, great grandparents. there's a whole history. we talk about guatemala. the hope was deleted by us. by things the united states and our corporate interest did that proceeded people -- people aren't just showing up here because they want to live in texas and not be able to vote if they ever can become a citizen. i just feel like i have to say that. let me go through a couple other things that the vice president talked about. she talked about some of the agreements she was able to reach while in these two countries in guatemala. she said they are going to create an anti-corruption task

force because one of the out growths of our policies including overthrowing the democratic elect government that was in place for ten years around the same time we were doing this in iran, we were over throwing the government because they wanted to do their own thing and not be subject to our economic needs. we over threw that government. the cia threw them out. they had a corruption problem ever since. there's deep corruption in the region. part because of our policies had an impact. we need to remember that and approach that history. the said they will form an anti-corruption task force. a task force on young women. $48 million for affordable housing. these are agricultural economies. if we can help people to make money and earn a living safely

without being set upon by gangs and set upon by criminals and caught up in the war on drugs, also related to the needs of people here and the desire of people here to do drugs or addiction. we can try to help people stay home. people want to stay home. in mexico, she talked about creating partnerships, economic partnerships because of the linkage between the u.s. and the mexican economies. they very linked together. canada and mexico are two largest trading partners. creating relationships to increase the economic stability of mexico which is another driver of people leaving dealing with drugs and smuggling. our oip opioid addiction problem and $130 million for labor reform. this is huge. very important dealing with labor issues in mexico that also make it easier for people to work, earn money and earn a living there. that is part of what happened. let me two to new york

congressman. he's the only former undocumented immigrant in congress. i want to apologize for my lengthy rant. what do you think in. >> right on target. we have to take a deep dive to find the root causes. migration is not an easy subject. it's a complicated and complex one. it involves environmental issues. it involves violence. it involves the history, as you pel put out. ever since, not since jfk 1961 appliance for progress have we attempted the take a deep dive. we reap the fruits of capitalize. we abandon the place. we call ourselves the leaders of the hemisphere.

we are not providing the leadership that the countries are looking for. her taking a deep dive and find out what must be done to build a public-private partnerships to make sure climate issues are addressed by young. nobody likes to leave home. nobody likes to leave a great beach, a great palm tree for cold weather. people want the stay with their families. you're talking about over $80 million that she talked about in this first trip. this is a good first step for our country to take a deep diver and understand what is forcing a mom to travel thousands of miles with her small children to the border. what's forcing a dad to see their son get threatened and tell his young son, go save your

life. go to the united states of america. what is happening there that we can really address. i think this a great first step. >> yeah. maria, yesterday i was moved by your post. you posted on social media your visceral reaction to the sound bite. you know this as well as i do as a journalist that we get caught up in a sound bite. there's not a lot of context to it. what we got mostly from the guatemala trip was don't come. that was sort of what it was boiled down to. i think this was a little bit more contextual and we got a bit more of the vice president's thoughts. i want to let you react to what you heard this evening. >> i think that probably because there was extraordinary blow back by hearing the vice president daughter of immigrants say to refugees don't come. i think there was a pause and just like, okay, wait a second. legally refugees can come and should come because i don't know that's basically statue of

liberty stones throw from where i am. that's what she is say. you're right. today was better. i'm very happy to hear there's going to be such extraordinary i vestment. i said why would a woman leave. the the united states will fund the police that are part of the cycle of violence and the impunity and the united states will say we're going to help by now helping security, that does not help the woman who is a victim of extraordinary domestic abuse. yesterday was a get punch. it's not like having white suprists in white house.

it was disheartening yesterday but today more hopefulness but we need much more context. >> we have a long relationship and it's got to become a lot more integral. we need to try to improve the economies. if we can do more to improve the economies and approve the sense of stability, we have lot of folks have based on the history. >> thank you both for rearranging your schedules. a new senate report of the insurrection reveals major security failures. the details after the break. plap

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how that day sounded and looked and felt. >> hang mike pence. hang mike pence. >> stop the steal. stop the steal. stop the steal. >> let's take a seat, people. >> st senate report finds the capitol police knew about social media posts calling for violence at the capitol on january 6th including plot to breach the capitol. online sharing of maps of the tunnel system and other specific threats of violence. they knew they were prepared to bring guns. they knew they discussed plans to surround the capitol complex an seal off the exits to trap lawmakers inside.

none of that information filtered down the rank and file officers who would be defending the capitol that day. they were left to fends for themselves against an onslaught by domestic terrorists and without adequate protection or defenses they were completely overwhelmed. so sum it up, the report is pretty damming even if much confirm what is we already knew. however, the most glaring omission is the senate report doesn't address the question of motive. it doesn't explain why the mob came to washington that day. it doesn't explain what led them to shut down a co-equal branch of government or what motivated them to over threw aduly election by force. the big lie has gained popularity by republicans. nearly three quarters of all republicans believe the assertion it was left wing proterss who were responsible for the insurrection in an effort to make trump look bad.

there made a post even though the main perpetrator donald trump is already promoting round two, a second attempt a a coup. he's fully embraced the qanon reinstatement theory he can make magical return to office but august. despite there's no constitutional mechanism that would make that possible, none, zip, zero. joining me is malcolm nance and butch jones who spent more than 36 years as a capitol police officer. officer jones, i have to go to you first on this. we have one report but it doesn't get into the why that it happened. what do you make of the findings that were there, that capitol police were left completely unprotected and unprepared.

>> i think capitol police made a mistake in not being prepared. in that mistake you have to recognize that the sergeant arms of the capitol, sergeant arms of the house are responsible for making sure that capitol police have the necessary back up, the necessary equipment, the necessary whatever to take care of the demonstration. to me is the pot calling the kettle black because if congress is not going to have a independent audit of what happened, we will never find out the real reason of january 6th. to blame capitol police for this, i take it an assault against the police department. you got mitch mcconnell, you have the congressmen from new orleans, you have, mccarthy get

24/7 security year round and they still voted not to protect the police officers that protect them. i think it's a disgrace that congress is not held responsible or held accountable for what they do. >> let me play, this is senate schumer on the point that we still need an independent body to answer those same questions that you just heard officer jones bring up. take a listen. >> well we do believe there ought to be a commission to go forward. they avoided the two words, donald trump. republicans didn't want any mention of him at all. >> this is still the point, malcolm. we still don't know basic

questions. members of congress helped him in planning. he's now in hiding. there's so much that we still don't know whether members of congress gave tours in advance. we had panic buttons ripped out. can you explain this. let me give you one more piece of information and i'll let you go at it. a rising class of republicans have embraced the idea the election is ill legitimate. they have taken in the big lie as their new orthodox. must embrace or not deny conspiracy theories. trump is gearing up to do this again. your thought, malcolm. >> well, first, let me give my props to butch for spending 36 years in the capitol police. i spent all that time in the military. apparently, your job was a little more dangerous just as dangerous as mine was in iraq at some point. this is ridiculous that we're

even here having a discussion about o whether an investigation is appropriate. let me tell you, what happened on january 6th, i'll go to your point, joy, is we told any terrorist who ever wants to take the capitol, how to do it. what capacity they could infiltrate their way in. we talked on the very flight of january 6th on this program about there being murder cells within that group. now we're finding out people did go into the capitol with the intent to commit murder. we have officers who witnessed those statements. that being said, you know, the entire process that has gone on since the capitol has been fed by the big lie. i just finished a 120,000 word book on this is the big lie has over taken the entirety of the republican orthodox.

qanan now controls the republican party. donald trump believes all these rumors about the count in arizona and other states that he thinks will put him back in power because being aliar is the hallmark of advancement in the republican party. charlie sykes has a great term for it. disinformation competition. you have to be a greater liar than the next person to advance in the republican party so they start making fantasies up. it's a party of delusion. >> yeah. it's also been described as late stage bulchavism. officer butch jones, would you trust an investigation of what happened as republicans, i don't want you to be partisan about it. if they are sympathetic to this, would you trust an investigation that members of that party were

involved in? >> no, i wouldn't. it's because we the people need to put more pressure on congress and make them be responsible. congress got a blank check. they do exactly what they want to do by showing you they're not going to investigate what happened january 6th is saying they don't care about our democracy because donald trump don't want them to care about our democracy. until we show them how important our vote is, no t the day after election but the whole term and put pressure on congress, everybody needs to call their member of congress and say, we want this investigation. not ask them, but tell them. until these people put a little pressure on congress, congress got a blank check. nobody answer for congress.

how you going to settle anything if congress don't have to answer to the people. >> it is a problem. let me play president obama talking about this policy. >> i also think there are certain right wing media venues, for example, that monetize and capitalize on stoking the fear and resentiment of a white population that is witnessing a changing america and seeing demographic changes and do everything they can to give people a sense that their way of life is threatened and people are trying to take advantage of them. we're seeing it right now. >> that will be bad enough if we also didn't have things like the army not telling the truth initially that michael flynn's brother was on a phone call when they were deciding not to send in national guard and help those

capitol police officers out. if we didn't have public firnls t minority leader of the house refusing to allow an investigation to go forward. how much danger do you feel we're in of having a second round when donald trump is not magically reinstalled in office office in august? >> well, we're in critical danger. i mean, i think it was november 6th i went on bill maher's show and said that what we should expect is an insurgency now that the trump, the republicans have lost, and his people believe america is only "them." and the other 60% need to be dominated. and you know what an insurgency is? a sustained political and paramilitary series of insurrections. it's where they take the fight that would be carried out in the halls of congress out on to the street. little did i know within 60 days it would manifest itself, but it's gotten worse since january 6th.

really has. they've all fed into the delusion now. again, you cannot be a member of the republican party without believing the base, and what they believe is true. you can no longer be decent. you have to be a person that is ready to have a war over donald trump. >> yeah. it is a scary situation with one of our great political parties, former great political parties falling into that hole. malcolm nance and butch, thank you very much. and senator joe manchin making objection to voting reform clear in an op-ed state paper, his home state paper, he sat down with civil rights leaders today to discuss his position. said it was a good meeting that gets us nowhere closer to justice. i want to be crystal clear at one fundamental point in this discourse, america's democracy is we just discussed under the republican party, fullstop. mitch mcconnell not only denies the for the people act also

opposes the john lewis advancement act to restore the voting rights act that the supreme court gutted in 2013. >> there's no threat to the voting rights law. it's against the law to discriminate in voting on the basis of race already, and so i think it's unnecessary. >> let's be real. it's not that shocking that the senator from kentucky who once proudly posed before a confederate flag opposes the john lewis act. what is surprising is that a number of moderate democrats including senator manchin are willing to help republicans do this. it was reverend dr. martin luther king jr. from a letter from jail in 1963 pointed out the negroes great stumbling block is not the white citizens counselor or the queue klux klanner but the mod-of-white moderate more voted to order than just is. when manchin said, a respectful and informative meeting with civil rights leaders saying i

don't think anyone changed their opinion. far more important to senator manchin than justice. joined lie reserved al sharpton, president of the national action network. derek johnson, president and ceo of the naacp both attended the meeting with senator manchin. rev, start with you. sounds like manchin walked out of that meeting, thank you very much but i'm not doing anything to save democracy. your thoughts? >> he clearly walked out of the meeting holding his position, and we clearly walked out of the meeting holding ours. this is about saving the democracy and the right to vote that people died for to get in the first place. let us not in any way pretend that we and the black community and in other communities suffered, blacks and whites died in the south to get the right to vote for meg gur evers and

william chaney. we're talking about the fundamental right having our vote not diluted and not in any way impeded by what we're seeing going on in 47 states, and that's what we said to senator manchin today. and to say that the process of trying to preserve the filibuster, which we talked about today, has in itself a racist beginning that is what the filibuster has been used for, to use process over what the country is supposed to stand for, when you have the vice president of the united states preaching democracy down in mexico and central america, is, in my opinion, absurd. i think that we wanted to make it clear to him as he says we will continue talking, but we want to also talk to others in the senate, because jose williams and john lewis and others that forfeited this, we are the children or the second generation behind that and must preserve the right to vote and we're not going to back up in anyway, shape or form on that

demand, which is our god-given right as citizens in this country. >> yeah. and derek johnson, ellie wrote a great piece and points out that joe manchin laid out in this whole op-ed he opposes the bill but not why. not specifically in the bill he doesn't like, didn't name one provision he didn't like. did he lay out in this meeting anything specific about the meeting that they doesn't like? >> no. we didn't talk specifics about the bill. we did make the case that protecting voter rights is not a partisan issue. this is not about democratic versus republican. this is about protecting the constitution, and the right to vote. the civil rights organization naacp has been in the same place for 112 years. fought against southern democrats in the '30s, '40s, '50s and '60s and fighting against republicans now. to make this a partisan question, that's because republicans say we don't agree with it, that's asinine to say the least. we will continue to put forth

towards the solution to ensure our rights to vote is protecteds. >> rev, you know, as ellie points out, manchin made is clear he doesn't have a specific objection, although chuck schumer says he's grog to lay out his objections. he essentially said the fact republicans don't like it is good enough for me. all i need to know. they don't like it, therefore, i don't like it either. i don't know how you get anywhere with someone like that. did it come up in the meeting he used to support reforming a filibuster. it's on hib website a few years ago thought it was fine about the filibuster. did anyone bring up his own history and ask him to defend his current position? >> we brought up the fact they have gone around this 60-vote filibuster on other occasions and ought to do it about this bill. senate bill 1. they ought to do it around the john lewis bill, and around the george floyd justice and policing act. if you can't do it now, then why

did you do it in the past? and what could be more critical than now? the other thing i think that is striking today is before he could get down the hall from the meeting, mitch mcconnell said that manchin may say he's for the john lewis bill. we're not going to even support that. and he said it's not necessary. well, over 40 states are trying to change the laws. but if it's not necessary to deal with voting rights, then why is it necessary for them to change the laws? it is some oxymoronic logic that mcconnell is saying that i don't even care what manchin is saying. i'm rebuffing that we're not even going with the john lewis bill manchin is saying he would go with. >> using it disingenuous. yeah. why the southern states said, you can vote if you're black. just tell me how many bubbles are in this bar of soap. definitely vote.

how many coining are in this giant jar. jot race. just election integrity. acting obtuse as a southerner when he's not. he knows exactly what he's doing. derek johnson is too time to take this to a different level? talking to manchin is nice. there are other democrats, might be up to ten having reforms. what's the action plan now? what do we do? because none of is will pass. not even the john lewis act. none of it. >> the focus has to be on the senate. unfortunately we're stuck in this quagmire that there is no court action we can take at this junkture and the john lewis reauthorization act would not address the harm done over the

past two months by state legislative bodies across country. it won't address that. only a look forward measure. so we have to be as forceful at possible with as many members at possible, be it democrat or republicans to come up way solution. because otherwise our votes suppressed, and if that's the case we need to take even more drastic measures, as we identify those measures. >> rev, is the only solution to make marthen ill relevant by winning more seats in 2022? winning maybe wisconsin and pennsylvania? the only way to solve this, rend are the man irrelevant? >> we must render not only marthen, any of these democrats or republicans irrelevant. that's next year. but you must be able to galvanize the base to understand what they're doing. they are robbing us of what was fought for, the bloodshed and death to give us, and we should not allow that, and we must in a non-violent but direct way deal

with conversation or confrontation non-vinon-violentt not on our watch in our generation votes taken from us and they're doing it in broad daylight. >> gentlemen, keep us up to date. that is tonight "reidout." now "all in with chris hayes" is next. slow motion insurrection is continues as the people who can stop it throw up their hands. tonight congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez on the lawmakers blocking federal election legislation. the state of our democracy and much more. then the gaping holes what we don't know after today's senate report on january 6th. and the new calls for a new investigation. plus. brian stelter, how trump tv has memory of the insurrection for half the country. and as the