making a difference. if it's wednesday, dr. anthony fauci joins me live on an interview. questions about covid and the growing republican effort to have him fired. the biden agenda at a crossroads with talks with republicans collapse and democrats try to ramp up pressure on joe mansion on voting rights. and president biden is in route to europe right now where he'll meet face-to-face for the first time with american allies since being elected president. and he'll sit down with the key and important adversary. teeing up the trip that ends with the big putin meeting. that's also ahead.

welcome to wednesday, it is "meet the press" daily and i'm chuck todd and in a moment i'll be joined by dr. anthony fauci and we'll talk more about the state of the country's pandemic response because at this hour there is so much to discuss with the nation's most prominent public health official. dr. fauci is facing an extraordinary backlash from leaders in the republican party ramping up their criticisms after the public disclosure of thousands of dr. fauci's emails. they don't appear to contain anything particularly explosive. still, the attacks against him are relentless and familiar if you follow american politics over the last five years. this is an attempt to weaponize something that isn't harmless and try to create a controversy. we've seen this with emails before, haven't we? largely, it seems in an effort to excuse or paper over the former president's disastrous handling of this pandemic. the result, dr. fauci finds

himself at the center of the gop messaging which is a place a public health official like him does not like to be. frankly, it's what happened to a lot of public health officials on the state and local level, so many of them ended up leaving their jobs. we'll talk about that with him, too. especially at a time there is still so much more work to be done. we have a lot of important questions the public needs answered about this virus there are intensifying questions about the origins after it was acknowledged there is a distinct possibility it might trace back to a lab that was inflated and confused with baseless claims this was somehow man-made and questions around the vaccine strategy at home and abroad and administration is on pace to fall short of the july 4th goal to have 70% of the united states adults vaccinated with at least one dose. some vaccine doses are sitting on the shelves so long they may not be usable and we may not be able to get them to another country to be used. as biden makes the first

overseas trip, the u.s. is facing pressure to send more doses abroad as the virus' global spread breeds new and concerning variants. like the one spreading in the u.k. which is also found in the united states. like i said, we got a lot to discuss with dr. fauci so let's dive in. joining me is the director of the national institute of allergy and chief medical advisor president biden. dr. anthony fauci. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you, chuck. good to be with you. >> i want to start with the july 4th goal and the 70% and what you think is the missing ingredient if there is one here to get there. you've seen -- you know the pace of vaccinations. it's fallen back. it feels like we're on a door to door campaign. do we have the resources and time to go door to door to meet this goal and how important is it to meet the gore or is it

arbitrary? >> it is important to meet it. when you set goals, chuck, you do it to give yourself the stimulus to get there. if you fall short of that, that's not the end of the game. you continue to push and even if we do, which i hope we do, i believe we can meet the goal by july 4th of getting 70% of the adult population with at least one dose, even if we do, we don't want to stop there. we want to continue to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as we possibly can. it's important to go all the way as much as you possibly can. a goal is important and we'll try and get there. you're right, things have slowed down a bit but that's what happens when the cohort of people have not been vaccinated is smaller and smaller as you vaccinate more people. as you said, we have about 50% of the adult population is already completely vaccinated and over 60% have had at least one dose. so we're doing very well, but we

want to do even better. >> what's the drop -- i think about, you know, we're just beginning summer and i know people don't want me to bring up fall yet but look, we know what the fall and winter bring. cold and flu season and perhaps this. what is the, like, okay, we're not at 70% by the fourth of july, that's not good but we can live with that. what is that like before the fall and winter become potentially problematic if we can't meet this 75, 80% threshold? >> well, chuck, it's important to know what you obviously know is we have a big country and there is real disparities and differences in the percent of people who are vaccinated in different states, cities, regions and variants we have now 13 of these states reached the

70%. if you look at the map you'll see there are some regions well below 50% which is really unfortunate because those are the states in the areas that are going to be most vulnerable if in fact there is a potential for a surge as we get into the fall. this is particularly important, chuck, because we're concerned about variants. the u.k. was in very much opposition. they had the b.117 and doing very, very well and what they're starting to see is the new delta variant, the 617 that originated or at least first recognized in india is now becoming dominant in the u.k. there is about 60%. i was speaking to their health officials the other day. it's about 60% there. fortunately for us, the vaccines that we have available are good

against the b.117. not much against the 617 ordeal to so for goodness sakes, we have the tools in our hand to prevent any difficulties from occurring in september and that's the reason why we're out there really pushing and beating the bushes and trying to get people to understand why it's so important for them to get vaccinated not only for themselves and their own protection, for their family but also they don't want to be a vehicle for the spread of the virus. you want to be a dead end for the virus and that's what we're trying to get across. >> we're still on any given day two to 400 people are dying from this virus. it's still anywhere from 1500 to 2500 a week. this is not an insignificant amount of people. who is dying? who is getting hospitalized? just, is it a different -- is it

a different age group? is it -- are we seeing the same people who are vulnerable in the past being the ones hospitalized? >> well, we're seeing a little skewing of it, chuck, because if you look at the elderly, they have done well. we've been able to vaccinate, you know, 80% or so of people over a particular 65 years old of age and older. the hospitalizations and deaths are lower but we are starting to see right now even though the likelihood of a younger person who gets infected getting a serious outcome is still certainly much less than the elderly or those with underlying conditions. we're seeing now clearly the people who are younger are getting hospitalized and completely at the risk of having a serious outcome. we talked to physicians and health care providers in the

trenches in the emergency rooms and in the hospital. they're telling you they're seeing more and more young people who come in with severe disease. >> i want to transition a bit to the global challenge. here is how the foreign affairs put it, put it yesterday. it is time to say it out loud, the virus behind the covid-19 pandemic is not going away among humans global herd immunity once promoted as a singular solution is unreachable. most countries don't have enough vaccines to go around and the lucky few with an ample supply, too many are refusing to get the shot. the world will not reach the point to stop the spread before the dangerous emerging of variants. it might be 2020 all over again. is america living in a bubble where the rest of the world is still living in a pandemic and we're not and how protected are we in our bubble if that's the case? >> well, you make an extraordinarily important point,

chuck. global pandemics will be solved by a global solution. you can't live in a vacuum in an enter connected world when you're dealing with a highly transmissible respiratory virus. we're doing well getting people vaccinated as we mentioned a few moments ago. other countries that are in the developed world are doing well but there are many countries in the world in which the level of vaccine is so low through no fault of their own and don't have the resources and capability and that's the reason why i have always been of the mind set to say we must look at this in the context of a global solution. i feel and i've been this way for 40 years since the days of hiv when i felt we needed to get interventions in the developing world both as responsibility for those individuals and those countries who are suffering

because they don't have the resources but also for our own self-interest because if you have the smoldering if not the pure outbreak of infection in other parts of the world, there is always the danger if not the inevitable threat that there are going to be variants that will come. fortunately for us, we've done very, very well with our vaccines with the variants that are currently circulating but there certainly is a possibility there will be the emerging of a variant that would elude the protection of a vaccine. we really do want to look very carefully what is going on in the rest of the world and help in whatever way we can. >> have you been pushing president biden? he seems to be a bit -- it feels as if we've been a bit reluctant, you know, giving kpes -- excess vaccine away. the political price if it sounds like somebody who wanted a

vaccine and we sent it to another country, i understand that sort of political fear that might be in the back of the head of whether it's the president or others but why does it appear we have been a bit slow with handing out our virus around the world? >> yeah. chuck, first of all, let me answer the question. through the medical team, jeff and the entire team of which i am a part of that team have made it very clear i have been very vocal about the need to have a global solution. i mentioned this to the president. it has gone to the president through the team. the president is a, aware of it. b, sensitive to it and very empathetic about it and i think what we should do is wait to see what happens in the g 7. i think that's important for us to wait to see what the president does at the g 7 meeting. >> sounds like one of those you don't want to get ahead of the president as somebody who

covered presidents, i think i know the trap you may feel like you're in on that front on public disclosure. let me transition to a report yesterday and get an origin. the "wall street journal" said there was a report on covid and concluded the virus leaked from a chinese lab in wuhan was plausible and the time deserved further investigation according to multiple people familiar with this classified document. what can you -- what kind of light can you shed on this report and what do you remember about it at the time? >> chuck, there is nothing new about that. all of us have always realized and i feel this way, i haven't changed. most of the scientists that i know feel that way that the most likely origin is a natural origin from an animal reservoir to human however, we have not ruled out the possibility that there could have been a leak

from the lab of them working on the virus. it could have been that someone was infected early on. they brought them into the lab and came out of the lab and it was already in the community. i think the confusion is because most of the scientists felt that the most likely and the reason most likely historically we've seen this over and over again. we've seen it with sars, cov 1 with mars, ebola, influenza, pandemic flu, bird flu, hiv, aids, that's what you see all the time that happens when you have the human animal interface but all of us are open minded enough to know until you nail down exactly what it is, you always must leave open the possibility with an open mind that there could be a leak. so with that report that you just put up of saying is not anything new or anything that anyone has been articulating all

along. when a scientists says they feel the most likely ideology or origin is in this case natural, that doesn't mean there is a closed mind to it being a leak. even though many people feel myself included, that's still the most likely origin is a natural one. >> by the way, we keep talking about a leak and natural origin. and this gets to sort of the circular logic of this critique. i'm not a scientist but let me ask you this, if this was a manufactured virus, why is one of the worst vaccines that's circulating globally the one created by the chinese? >> right. you know, i think you may have mentioned it in the run into the show, chuck, very accurately that what i think people conflict and maybe get confused when they say leak. there is two ways of looking at that. did you deliberately make a

virus you wanted to do harm to the world and then it leaked out? well, why would the chinese want to make a virus that equally kills them as kills other people? so that's the reason why when you talk about that's really way out there and like off the wall. off the chart. the other one is were they there working with something they somehow manipulated the virus and it leaked out? certainly that's a possibility. nothing we've seen if you look at the virus looks like that it might have been manufactured in the laboratory when you get the viral evolution who know virology look at that and say we don't see anything that looks like that. this idea about a fear site that happens with other viruses.

it happened with coronaviruses. so there the is possibility you always want to keep an open mind and when you talk about those things, the general public understandably, why should they understand those kinds of things. they are very complicated but just know that there is an open mind, which is the reason why i have been saying i'm in favor of further investigation. i haven't changed my mind. it was very interesting when i was asked, chuck, i believe by politifact. they said are you absolutely certain this was not a lab leak? and i said of course i'm not absolutely certain. nobody is. that made big news that i sort of changed my mind. i didn't change anything. i still feel the same way. you want to keep an open mind. it's a possibility. i believe it's a highly unlikely possibility, and i believe that the most important one that you look at what scientists feel is very likely that it was a

natural origin but again, always keeping an open mind and let's investigate it and that's why i have come out saying i'm very much in favor of further investigation. >> what -- look, you're a scientist at heart, which means all scientists have a hypothesis. what is your leading hypothesis then? is this more of a china is covering up when they found the virus or china's panic it was something they were studying and leaked out? what's the more likely scenario? >> you know, chuck, i don't want to get into that. everything i say gets taken out of context not by you but others. it's a tough one. what could certainly have happened is that there was disease in china that when

viruses start to infect humans, they often have to adapt better. so there could have been infection going on there for awhile that was undetected and then when adapted itself well starting to make really very clinically apparent disease, they started to recognize that and then they started to study it. the answer is, chuck, i don't know what went on there. i don't. >> i want to get to the political attacks. you have become -- you've been sort of become a character on the right. there is some really wild conspiracies. i got to play one because it's a sitting united states senator. marsha blackburn, i think we have a sound of this. let's play that one. >> here are some facts that i want you to know. first of all, yes, dr. fauci was

emailing with mark zuckerberg from facebook trying to create that narrative cherry picking information so that you would only know what they wanted you to know and there would be a narrative that would fit with this cherry picked information. >> i don't even know where to begin but it's a sitting united states senator. the most extreme version of what i've heard. you have kevin mccarthy doing his own version of this. marco rubio. you're aware of the critiques. you've been debunking this. how do you debunk something like that? she's got it in her own head. again, a united states senator that represents the state of tennessee. what do you say to that? >> you know, chuck, i don't have a clue what she just said. i don't have a clue of what she's talking about. >> neither did we. >> so welcome to the club. i have no idea what she's talking about. and i'm sorry, i don't want to

be projurortive against a united states senator but i have no idea what she's talking about. chuck, if you go through each and every one of the points which are so ridiculous as, you know, just painfully redick lois -- ridiculous but if you go through each and every one of them, you can explain and debunk it immediately. i mean, every single one. he should be fired because he in the beginning changed his mind about masks. well, okay. so let's go back early on with the masks and let's take a look at that. at the time that we were saying we shouldn't be wearing a mask, there were three factors going on. a, there was thought to be a shortage of masks. b, there was no evidence that masks worked out side of the context of a hospital. i wear a mask when i'm seeing patients with respiratory

disease that could be transmissible like tuberculosis, a well fitted n 95. thirdly, we were not aware of the extent of asymptomatic spread so we said you don't really need to wear a mask. it wasn't only me. i'm picked as the villain. it was the surgeon general of the united states and the entire cdc was saying the same thing. so as we went from january, february, march, april, it became clear that those three things, a, there was no shortage and you could wear a cloth mask, b, the data showed that in fact, outside of the hospital setting, masks do work and third, to our painful awareness, we became clear that 50% of more of the transmissions were with people who had no symptoms. so that's when we said we've got to get people to wear masks. that's what is called, chuck, the scientific process. you make a recommendation, an

opinion and guideline based on what you know at a given time. as a scientist, as a health official, when those data change, when you get more information, it's essential that you change your position because you got to be guided by the science and the current data. that issue with masks is people want to fire me or put me in jail for what i've done. namely, follow the science. i could go the next half an hour going through each and every point that they made. >> i know. >> it's preposterous, chuck, totally preposterous. >> this is an email you sent on february 27th. you happen to send it to morgan fairchild and i want to end with it because it only under scores the fact that you actually -- you've been extraordinary consistent. i'll read the last part here. the american public should be prepared to mitigate an outbreak in this country by measures that

include social distancing, temporary closures of schools, et cetera. you wrote this february 27th. this was, i believe, we were still a month away from 15 days to slow the spread. all of those things. so there was a ton of consistency throughout these emails. so we've struggled to understand the controversy. i want to end with this question, you are now getting attacked. as you know, many state public health officials have quit their jobs over the last year because of the unrelenting attacks that have taken place and now you're at the focal point. what is your level of concern that we're going to discredit public health officials to the point of, you know, look at are russia. they actually have a good vaccine and none of their citizens will take it because they don't trust their own government. >> right. it's very dangerous, chuck, because a lot of what you're seeing as attacks on me quite frankly are attacks on science because all of the things that i have spoken about consistently

from the very beginning have been fundamentally based on science. sometimes those things were inconvenient truths for people and there was push back against me so if you are trying to, you know, get at me as a public health official and scientist, you're really attacking not only dr. anthony fauci, you're attacking science and anybody that looks at what is going on clearly sees that. you have to be asleep not to see that. that is what is going on. science and the truth are being attacked. >> dr. anthony fauci, appreciate the time you gave us. appreciate the amount of time you've spent. look, unfortunately i think you have to do some debunking because we need people to continue to have faith in science. thank you for your time, sir. >> thank you very much for having me, chuck. i appreciate it. >> you got it. up next, as one setup

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welcome back. we knew this was going to happen. we were right. infrastructure talks by president biden collapsed yesterday so the focus turns to bipartisan senators not working with either schumer or mcconnell and this includes the other west virginia senator joe mansion. mansion of course is the fly in the ointment for multiple democratic priorities at least if you believe progressives including the hr 1 voting rights bill but he's not nearly the only person for that bill on the democratic side of the isle. he's the only one that says the

publicly. rallying for the passage of the bill is trying to get mansion on board despite continued vocal objection to the bill and while infrastructure talks sputter, and voting rights seem to be going nowhere, the bipartisan group of lawmakers tackling police reform is making significant progress. let bring in leeann caldwell on capitol hill. we're always leading with the gridlock and you're not getting stuff done. police reform. is this -- you know, is it real? is it real real? are we really just circulating language? are we that close? >> it seems to be that close, chuck. my sources are optimistic, although, i have to caveat everything. they caution until everything is done nothing is done and can fall apart at any moment. let put that aside. my sources say they are very close and feel good about the possibility of a deal and the reason is because they are mostly settled on this issue of

qualified immimmunity. this is the challenge that has been with these negotiations for weeks and they seem to be in a very good spot my sources tell me. what that means, what are they doing with qualified immunity? we have standards here at nbc news where you have two sources one from each party. i don't have that yet. i can say if you read the tea leaves, senator scott has proposed that not the individual police officer is held accountable and liable financially responsible for misconduct, that instead the police department so that would be reforming equality. some on the progressive left that want to eliminate that protection all together, well, that's something that senator scott and many republicans would not go for so we are talking about the issue is being reformed, not eliminated but still, the fact that they have made such progress on that one issue means that other things

are coming into line and my sources tell me that they could have texts of legislation in the next week or two. >> well, look, i'm not going to bother to start the infrastructure road because we both know there are 7 to 8,000 more iterations before we get to the point where it appears we are with prison reform. leeann caldwell, i'll leave it there. thanks for great work, as always. appreciate it. up next, breaking news. the inspector general released a report on the violent clearing of protesters from june 1st, 2020 at lafayette square. we have the details in just a moment. ave the details in just moment [sfx: thunder rumbles] [sfx: rainstorm] ♪♪ comfort in the extreme. ♪♪ the lincoln family of luxury suvs. ♪♪ i thought i was managing my moderate to severe crohn's disease. then i realized something was missing...

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>> chuck, this is a really surprising finding by the inspector general of the interior department. think took a look at this, independent investigation and found that the decision to clear the mark made by the mark police had nothing to do whatsoever with the president's decision to have a photo op and walk through there and have a photo op at the nearby historic church. they decided to clear the park of protesters before and a contractor with fencing and that was and we've seen an video the attorney general. we couldn't hear from the video what was said. the president is coming down and the park police commander is shocked by this and says according to the report are you freaking kidding me? the thing about that episode is

it does show it speeds up. trump made the decision to come through there. barr went down and said let's get this moving. the decision to use force against the protesters, which remains controversial, chuck, was not made according to this report because trump wanted a photo op. i may also ad this report finds fault. it finds that the park police wasn't going to use tear gas but washington d.c. officers did fire tear gas at the crowd. it finds that many members of the crowd did not hear the three warnings they were supposed to get to disburse before the police moved in and it finds that burro of prisons officers who nobody can even understood why they were there fired pepper balls at the crowd. but it doesn't second guess the decision to clear the protesters. it says that the park police was within their rights and this is controversial, chuck. black lives matter is suing the justice department in federal court over this and garrett haake was there that day and reported if you'll recall the

protests were not violent until the police moved in and caused violence. that was his direct bird's eye reporting. >> so ken -- >> so a narrative we thought we knew is not the reality. >> except it's weird and i want to clarify something. while they're saying the park police decision wasn't based on having the photo op happen, it does sound like the park police accelerated efforts when they found out the president was coming. >> it doesn't say they accelerated efforts but barr went down there to try to get them to do that. it says -- at that point they were engaging with the propest tors and pushing them out. it was full on. the report doesn't say that they responded or did anything differently because of what the attorney general said but it does and it also does make clear there was some violence on the part of protesters in the days leading up to this. there was property destruction.

49 park police officers were injured. these were not completely non-violent protests but the eyewitnesss on scene that day painted a picture of hey, things were pretty cool until the cops decided to move in and, you know, the narrative took hold and it was widely reported across the main stream media that barr ordered to this clear the thing for trump and that's not what happened according to this independent inspector general report, chuck. >> park was ordered cleared. trump wanted to go but the two were not connected. that's basically seems like what we're learning with this report. >> bottom line. >> ken delaney on top of this. what to expect as president biden has his first trip overseas. the charter flight to carry reporters following president biden was delayed because of a swarm of cicadas. they were causing problems but now they can cause planes to be delayed. delta apologized for the rare

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strengthening the alliance and make it clear to putin and china europe and the quite are tight and the g 7 is going to move. >> welcome back. that was president biden this morning before he left for the first foreign trip as president. he is set to touchdown in the u.k. in just over an hour as he meets with key allies, he's looking to repair relationships and reestablish his spot on the world stage but the last thing on the trip schedule is getting the most attention, the face-to-face meeting with putin. with me is digital reporter shannon. i want to bet on something that dr. fauci hinted at but didn't

say but seemed to make clear that because i do think the one thing that gives the president a chance to really make a lot of friends is we have what the world wants, which is extra vaccine. and it sounds like that the easy news and easy friendships we'll be able to make here are going to be to fulfill vaccine pledges. is that probably the biggest first news we should expect? >> yeah, administration is signaling there is going to be an additional commitment coming when it comes to vaccines and that they hope out of this g 7 summit to announce not just something the u.s. is doing but something those countries can do together in partnership but so far, administration has been, you know, rather slow to be carrying out and fulfilling the commitments that they've already made. a big part of that is just logistics challenges that they face with sending tens of millions of vaccine doses around the world. so, you know, while we may hear

additional commitments coming from the president about vaccine goals and how much we're going to share with the world, i think the big question is going to remain is how we're going to do that. right now administration committed 80 million doses, about 20 million of those are set to go out in the next coming weeks but you have to not only deal with getting those on planes from the u.s. but then distributing them around the world to countries that don't really have a vaccine infrastructure. >> well, that's what you wonder is how much are we going to pledge to also be the distributors. one thing for us to buy the vaccine as you point out, we actually have to get it there, too. a lot on his agenda but seems as if that will be part one of the news. putin later in the week but we'll get to that. shannon, thank you very much. cicada free there, i think. up next, the former virginia governor is hoping to become the future virginia governor.

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he got over 60% of the vote, his fellow opponent got 2.7%. terry mcauliffe joins us now. 60% in what seemed to be a highly challenging election. what should they take away from what you pulled off here? are there lessons to be pulled here for national democrats? >> you bet, chuck. people are excited. i spent this whole campaign talking about issues. i had a 130-page policy plan talking about how i would lift up virginians on education,

affordable housing, how do we lift this nation out of the covid crisis? i spent my time talking to folks about the issues they're affected with every single day. i think that's why you saw so many people, i built a huge coalition from all parts of the commonwealth to endorse my candidacy, big policy ideas, big coalition. and, listen, people are concerned. we don't want to see virginia go backward. as you see from glenn, he's an openly gay candidate. we're an open state and we have had some success. we're not going back. we're not going to let a trump loyalist try to take this state backwards and i believe that encouraged people. >> do you see yourself as the most moderate, the one that was the most appealing to sort of disaffected virginia republicans? do you believe that's why you won? because some progressives are

not happy that the least progressive guy here won. >> i guess, you know, you and i have had this conversation for years. i'm not big on labels. but you are talking to the governor who restored more rights than any other governor in history. i was sued by republicans, sued for contempt of court. i never backed down. i banned the confederate flag on the license plate. i'll put my record of progressive values up against anybody in this country. but at the same time, chuck, i was the biggest job creator. i inherited the largest deficit from the republicans. i left a gigantic surplus, 200,000 new jobs. they're not mutually exclusive. i talked about education. i had the biggest, boldest plan, $200,000 a year to invest in education. i don't know what label you want to put on it, but i know as governor if i build the best education system in the country, i will bring those jobs in.

i wrote to companies that are going to come here. they don't discriminate. i knock walls down. >> a lot of us see what you did here. we see what joe biden did in the democratic primary in 2020 and it looks awfully familiar. the activist base, some of the media, oh, terry mcauliffe and joe biden, they're a couple of has-beens. it's time for new leadership. it's time for a fresh face. is there a disconnect between sort of the progressive democratic chattering class and actual rank and file democratic primary voters? >> i can tell you here in virginia, there is no difference. i got 62% of the vote in a five-person field. i got progressive, i got moderates, i got conservative republicans, i got independents

to show up for me. chuck, i'm very result oriented. they know i can fix this economy, they know i can lead us out of this covid crisis. listen, donald trump is still around. zen, my opponent, said he's out of the race because of donald trump. i don't know if donald trump has the courage to come to virginia. i ran joe biden's campaign here in virginia. we beat trump by 400,000 votes. i don't think trump has the courage to come back to virginia because i've beaten him twice. this has some big implications to it, and let's see what old donald trump wants to do. mr. president, do you want to come to virginia? i'll beat you again. >> i want to ask you about glen yunkin, because on paper he doesn't look like ken cuccinelli. he would perhaps help you make a

caricature of him or his political opponents. he doesn't look like ken cuccinelli, and by the way, it was a close race with ken kuch -- cuccinelli. do you believe you have to turn him into a ken cuccinelli clone? >> i don't have to. he said he was in this race because of donald trump. his first endorsement after he got the nomination was donald trump. his first speech after the nomination, he said i want to ban abortions and put more guns on the street. that's who he is. eblgd even -- i can't believe i'm even saying this, this guy could be more extreme than ken cuccinelli if that is even possible. that's just not where we want to go. he's the one who is embracing trump, i'm not. and i had a good talk with president biden last night. i mean, we are unified. i talked to the candidates i ran against in the primary. we're unified. we just put an e-mail out an hour ago, and within an hour, all 50 states, people went to

www.terrymcauliffe.com to give me money. they don't want this state to go backwards. they want some with progressive ideas who can build great economies, create great jobs with family medical leave, paid sick days, i want a rage, get the $15 minimum wage moved up to 20 or 24. those are practical solutions to issues families are facing. >> all right. former virginia governor terry mcauliffe hoping to become the next virginia governor. democrat from virginia, thanks for coming on. we should note -- what's that, sir? >> you are a virginia resident. >> yes, i am. yes, i am. we have reached out to glen yunkin, the republican nominee for governor, and we're hoping to have him on the show soon as well. that does it for us at this hour. we'll be back on msnbc right after this break. msnbc right after this break

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