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it's good to see you. i'm geoff bennett, and as we come on the air this hour, president biden just made a major announcement that the u.s. will donate half a billion vaccine doses to countries in need around the world. the president made a moral case for america's role in helping bring an end to the worldwide pandemic, comparing the fight against covid-19 to the global mobilization of the second world war. >> this is about our
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responsibility, our humanitarian obligation to save as many lives as we can. american workers built tanks and planes and vehicles that help defeat the global threat of fascism in world war ii. they built or became known as the arsenal of democracy. now a new generation of american men and women working with today's latest technology is going to build a new arsenal to defeat the current enemy of world peace, health and stability, covid-19. >> the president's announcement followed an earlier meeting with uk prime minister boris johnson. the two leaders renewed the atlantic charter. that's a joint statement of cooperation between the u.s. and the uk which was first signed following world war ii. now 80 years later, the new document includes eight points of collaboration, including bringing the pandemic to an end. there are already concerns over russia and china using
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vaccine sharing as a way to shore up alliances as those countries jockey for global supremacy, something that is likely already on president biden's mind ahead of his sit-down with vladimir putin in gen geneva, switzerland next week. a meeting he mentioned heading into the uk. >> the g-7, then to the nato ministerial and then to meet with president putin to let him know what i want him to know. >> and starting us off this hour are nbc news foreign affairs chief correspondent andrea mitchell. she's traveling with the president. also with me anchor for bbc news, katty kay and david ignatius. andrea, what else do we know about this vaccine-sharing plan? president biden strikes me as
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trying to assert u.s. leadership on ending this pandemic in the remarks he gave last hour. >> reporter: absolutely. and, you know, he's had some critics say that the u.s. has not been doing enough. he did 80 million doses before. now this is the biggest that any nation has done. it's going to covax the national consortium vaccines worldwide. he made it clear there are no strings attached. russia and china have been accused of using their vaccines to pressure different countries for other possible concessions. this is a big deal on the eve of the g-7 summit which is going to be collectively doing more, and of course here in the uk, there's been real concern about the india variant and a real return to pretty much a lockdown certainly here at the summit where there is testing of all of
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us every day for not only the u.s. side but also in response to the british health service. so there is about 45 minutes every morning that we're spending on this. everyone is very concerned about any possible eruption here at the summit. and a real concern about how vulnerable great britain may be as well as other members of the eu, other members of the eu. that said, the president's announcement, which is pfizer, certainly makes distribution harder because it's two shots, refrigeration and all the rest, but it is one of the vaccines that is considered most effective against the variants that do emerge in these -- many of these lower income countries, and that's exactly where it's going to be going. this is a real centerpiece of what this president is bringing to the g-7 and now covid as well as, you know, cyber and climate will be three of the main
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issues, along with trade and the overall economy and economic recovery, but as the president points out, the global economy is not going to recover, nor has the u.s. economy recovered because of the pandemic. 54% of american adults have had at least one shot. that's compared to only 5% four months ago. that, the president said, is what spurred the economic recovery so far and it's the key to recovery, and it's really a sense of american values. this is what we do when there is suffering around the world. that's the message he's delivering here at the g-7. >> america is back, as the president so often puts it. david, picking up on andrea's point, how pointed be, especially encountering russia and china heading into the g-7? >> i think biden has decided soft power is the center of what
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he wants to offer. the two are european allies, the language evocative of the days of america's greatest power, the arsenal of democracy reminding europeans how he came to their assistance after the nazi attacks in world war ii, the addition of the atlantic charter, the fundamental document between winston churchill and franklin roosevelt during the second world war, all deliberate attempts to say a strong america is back, we're here to help you, we're ready to be generous in a way that america certainly wasn't during the trump years with this donation of 500 million doses of vaccine. i think it's very specifically an attempt to recall what european remember as the moment of the peak of american power and reliability. >> katty, i have to ask you about the relationship between
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biden and boris johnson. we know that boris and trump were certainly allies. what is the relationship on downing street, do you think? >> just judging on the pictures we're getting today, it's a good relationship, and boris has said, look, even on that tricky issue of the northern island, we're exactly on the same page to the point of resolving it pointedly and effectively. whether they can reach an agreement has yet to be determined, but the fact that boris johnson came out and said, look, even on this difficult issue, we're on the same page of wanting to resolve it i think is a good step forward. the thumbs-up photographs, boris johnson will love that. he'll like the fact that he is the first foreign leader to meet joe biden and his presidency in person. that means a lot to any foreign leader and it certainly meends a lot to boris johnson as well. it kind of burnishes boris
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johnson's own reputation at home to be seen on the stage hosting joe biden like this. you're right, they are not logical political allies, biden much more of a unilateralist than boris johnson, but on distribution of aid around the world, they actually do have a lot in common on this issue of vaccine distribution as well. joe biden has more in contact with boris johnson than he did with donald trump. it's showing the world america is back, and this vaccine donation is a huge plus for the united states. he is night and day from donald trump, but it's the fact that america is putting its purse where its mouth is, that it's
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coming with promise for other countries. >> president biden doesn't like the phrase "special relationships." in an earlier phone call with joe biden, an aide told me, johnson said he disliked the phrase special relationships after the president used it. to johnson it seemed needy and weak. >> the british press is somewhat apoplectic about. i know in the obama administration it made them roll their eyes to have to say this special relationship and they tried to redefine it as the essential relationship. that wouldn't do, it had to be the special relationship. i think boris johnson was okay to pick up on that. it kind of makes britain sound a little needy, like britain is
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asking for favors among the more powerful sibling. that's why he said it won't stop the british press from complaining. if he hadn't used the words special relationship, it would have been picked up. >> no u.s. president has ever left this country's shores with democratic values under attack sort of broadly and systemically at home as they are right now. are european allies willing to accept that donald trump was an outlyer, if that's the argument president biden is going to make? do they really believe biden's statement that america is back and will stay back? >> reporter: they certainly know and trust joe biden. they've known him for years as chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, then as vice president for eight years. but no, i think that europeans were shocked by the trump years, by what they saw in his approach to nato, to critical alliances, the way he treated angela
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merkel, the way he disrespected many other world leaders. i don't think that just evaporates. typically because biden's hold on his agenda, as you well know as a white house correspondent, is so narrowly defined by holding onto the house, just a handful of seats. if it goes the other way, he can get nothing past. already it's so difficult to get his agenda through in the newly divided senate. if he, after wo years in office, doesn't have a democratic house and also if that does reinforce also donald trump's hold on the republican party, not a majority but the republican party and certainly a majority of the republicans in the midterms, that says a lot about the concerns around the world among america's supporters who did not like the last four years, and critics of donald trump that he could actually carry out his threat to run again. so, no, i don't think that
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allies around the world are going to get over what happened the last four years as an aberration any time soon, not while american politics are still so polarized. >> david ignatius, i'd like to have you weigh in on that same question as we wrap up here. >> biden is essentially saying to boris johnson and he will be saying to our allies in europe, don't bet against america. the u.s. economy has bounced back much faster and stronger than people expected, our vaccination rate is way higher than those of other countries. and he's saying, look, we're a successful, powerful country again. we can help you stick with us. >> david ignatius, katty kay, andrea mitchell, great to see the three of you. next the fbi director raises questions about intelligence failures ahead of the insurrection at the u.s. capitol. how he defended his agency before the congressional committee. later transcripts of former
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some heated exchanges on capitol hill. fbi director christopher wray faced a barrage of questions today mixed with airing of grievances from the members of both parties on the house judiciary committee. with barely a moment to get seated, the fbi director was grilled on the handling of the january 6 riot and combatting right wing extremism. wray was repeatedly impressed
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with democrats about the former president. >> i asked if you referred these actions or deed of the president to the department of justice. donald trump's actions, words, deeds on that day. >> i'm not aware of any investigation that specifically goes to that, but we have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of investigations related to january 6 involving lots and lots of different pieces of it, and i want to be careful not to speak with absolutes about it. >> i'm talking about mr. big, number one. have you gone after the people who incited the riot? >> i don't think it would be appropriate for me to be discussing whether or not we are or aren't investigating specific individuals. i just don't think that's appropriate. >> wray was also pressed about cyber hackers, security at the southern border, human trafficking, a rise in hate crimes and the recent spike in violent crime, including gun violation. joining me now, msnbc news
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correspondent pete williams and also the national security intelligence analyst. director wray obviously is not going to get into any specifics about ongoing investigations, but what did you make of his answers in those exchanges? >> the officials off the record is that's not the focus of the investigation, whether the president incited a riot for many complicated legal reasons about what a difficult standard that is to meet. their focus has been on what people did at the capitol on the 6th, so that didn't surprise me. >> director brennan, we heard in depth and detail about the rise of domestic extremism, but we didn't really hear him articulate a plan to stop it. in your view, are intelligence agencies generally, are they properly equipped and authorized to identify the threat, and i
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think more to the point about january 6th, raise warnings as needed? >> it is a very challenchalleng issue. unlike going after terrorist organizations and individuals who might be in this country, a lot of individuals, including domestic terrorist groups, whether they be right wing groups or white supremacists are individual, and they have to be careful what they can do to investigate individuals and what is free speech and what is in the realm of moving toward violence. i do think the bureau are working with congress as well as other department agencies as well as local law enforcement really have to take a fresh look at how best to address what director wray acknowledged is a very serious and rising concern regarding this domestic terrorist threat. >> pete, same question to you. this might not have come guard in today's hearing, but based on your reporting, is the fbi better situated to identify future threats and to respond
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accordingly? >> i think so. there has been certainly an increase in the number of these investigations and cases. but back on january 6. i think there are two things here. one is did the capitol police have any inkling that this might happen? i think the answer is yes, whether the fbi told them explicitly or in detail enough or not is a separate and important question, but the bipartisan report came out earlier this week certainly indicates that the capitol police had all kinds of different levels of warnings about the potential for violence. now, the other thing i would say is there is lots of discussion in social media about people coming to washington to have entering the capitol, although there is some of it. i think there is a question here that goes way beyond just a single thing from norfolk that the fbi passed along before about what of that social media stuff should the fbi has been aware of and passed along,
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taking into account the points that mr. brennan rightly makes about the different point of protected speech. that's a whole separate question on whether the fbi should have been more active in passing this stuff along. by the way, trying to get to the bottom of this and looking at the complicated questions here is one reason why to be nice to have a 9/11-style commission. >> chris wray did talk about the fbi and how it deals with ransomware attacks. he said the fbi doesn't make private companies pay ransom. jbs, the meat processing company, we now know paid $11 million in ransom, and they're telling these corporations not to do it, or if they do, let the
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federal government know. that's not happening practically. >> some of them, unfortunately, have decided to pay the ransomware. i think director wray rightly said these companies should be reaching out as early as possible whenever they're going to be hacked. working with the fbi to see what can be done that would, in fact, be able to address the issue without having to pay ransom. but i do think that the continued payments of these ransoms are just encouraging other groups to continue to carry out these ransomware attacks because they're doing it for financial reasons. this is something that i know that the bureau, as well as other federal governments and agencies, want to see an end to. >> john brennan and pete williams, my thanks to the both of you. meantime the head of the local police union is calling on the department's chief to step aside. they said the senate's report on the capitol chief said chief yoganda pitman failed to provide
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this afternoon we have new details on that ransomware attack we talked about the last hour. jbs paid for its computer networks $11 million. it shut down things for at least a day. here's our washington correspondent hallie jackson. >> reporter: the company, jbs, said it paid that ransom mostly after they were back on line, but they wanted to protect the key data. it is suggested that paying that ron someware was an expensive
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decision. >> reporter: $11 million, the amount jbs down operations at s of their plants for days, the company ceo telling the "wall street journal", it was very painful to pay the criminals, but we did the right thing for our customers, adding, outside advisors negotiated the attacks. they chose to pay for keeping their files safe, saying, they confirmed no company, customer, or employee data was compromised. they believe russian gangs were behind that attack, and another one that forced the colonial pipeline to shut down for more than a week in may, which triggered gas shortages on the east coast. the fbi recovered most of the ransom paid in that instance by collateral. the company ceo on capitol hill now defending his choice to transfer $4.3 million to the
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attackers. >> it was the hardest decision i made in my 39 years in the energy industry. >> reporter: but the government recommends against paying a ransom. >> we need to send a message that paying a ransomware only encourages this problem. you are encouraging the bad actors when that happens. >> reporter: some say the crimes will cost $6 criminal infrastructure. it raises new concerns about how vulnerable companies really are. >> companies need to protect themselves in advance of these attacks. if they are attacked, sometimes their hands are tied and the only way to get out of the situation is to pay ransom. >> reporter: experts say this is why it's so important that companies get a handle on security on the front end to prevent this kind of thing in the first place. we do expect president biden to raise the issue of cyberattacks
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with president putin next week. they are not taking any options off the table as to how the country might respond to these attacks. back to you. meantime, the house judiciary committee has received transcripts of the long-a waited closed door testimony of trump former counsel don mcgahn. don told lawmakers he felt frustrated, perturbed and trapped. mcgahn went on to say he feared that trump's demands would push the entire situation, quote, to point of no return. but mcgahn stopped short of saying trump's actions were illegal. trump said he was so-called exonerated of his behavior, which is not true. we have garrett haake and former political leader.
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what do the leaders in the room think they gleaned from mcgahn's testimony? >> i think the biggest substance was hearing from mcgahn about trump wanting to fire mueller, and mcgahn said he wouldn't do that, and the stories the white house was trying to push out that the idea that trump wanted to fire him was false, were lies. but the way democrats see it is that this protects the ability of the house to go get this information in the first place. this was a years-long court fight. it took the subpoena to mcgahn all the way up and back through the justice department, through the entire judicial system here, and speaker pelosi said this was a victory for the defense of democracy. filed this one away as an and the ability of the house to
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go after even testimony from the closest of aides to that president. >> and, danny, speaking to the specific substance of the testimony, as garrett and i both know from having covered the trump impeachment from top to bottom, if jerry nadler had gotten his account, how would that change the public record? >> it totally would have changed the public record because the public would have seen this is a situation common with dealing with an unusual client. you can hear the frustration of don mcgahn dealing with his client on certain levels. i wouldn't say this exonerates trump, you see an attorney taking the professional road and trying his very best not to incinerate his own client on the
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record. >> danny, we can see there are limits to the line of questioning. they could only cover who was disclosed in the mueller report and basically ask mcgahn if that was accurate. how did that impact what information he was able to give? >> you know during the testimony mcgahn and his attorneys did a masterful job of protecting him by staying within those boundaries closely. they're very careful not to get into the mueller report or what was publicly in the mueller report about what mcgahn had said. you see him repeatedly in the testimony go back to that issue. well, what does it say here? i guess that's what i said. it's been four years ago. what i said was right there in the report. >> garrett, final question. now that democrats have this testimony, what are they going to do with it? you talked at the start about a precedent, what it means to have a white counsel testify before congress, but the actual black and white testimony of things
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mcgahn said about trump, what do they do with that information? >> the truth is not much. this president has been impeached twice, he's out of office. it's up to them whether they think there's obstruction here, but the work at the house is basically done. >> great to see both of you. if you thought groceries were expensive these days, you're not wrong. are high prices here to stay? a methodist hospital on suspension after they refused to get 200 workers vaccinated. >> i felt bullied into this corner, like, you have to do it or you don't have a job. do it or you don't have a job.
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as president biden folk ousz -- focuses on foreign affairs overseas, there is breaking news on his infrastructure and
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policing reform. joining me now, correspondent leigh ann caldwell. let's talk about infrastructure, because yesterday i spoke with virginia candidate mark warner who said he expected this partisan group to work out infrastructure shortly. you heard them say they reached an agreement already, so give us the confusing, geoff. let's call it a tentative agreement between ten republicans, ten democrats and five independents. they're really worried about calling this some sort of deal because there is a lot of work to be done. first of all, they do say they include how to pay for it. they've come mostly to an agreement on that. as far as the top line number is concerned, how much money is going to be spent, we learned a little bit of detail even though
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they won't give us that specific number. senator cassidy told me that president biden in their conversation on tuesday said that he would like to see $600 billion in new spending. senator cassidy said in their tentative agreement, no member felt the need to exceed that, so we can expect it to be under that $600 billion number. now, why they are also so cautious is because if there's ten senators who do agree on this, that is a long way to 60. so these members have a lot of work to do to get their members on board, both republicans and democrats, so we're just at the very beginning of potentially something bubbling up here. we'll be watching it closely, geoff. >> you checked in with the white house earlier today, and they said if they have reached a deal, it's news to us. we're waiting to see how this all comes together. i have to ask you this, though. is this sort of the last horse out of the barn of
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bipartisanship before democrats decide to go it alone? or could there be another 10 or 20 lawmakers who try to reach a deal? >> reporter: we're running out of senators to reach a deal, so if this group can't get it done, then it's not going to be done and democrats will have to go it alone. they also have to find 50 democratic votes for a partisan bill, something they don't, geoff. >> let's talk about leadership. and you the team broke the news that there was draft language for the george floyd act. >> there is an issue, this section 242, criminal liability for police officers who commit bad acts in the field. that is something that senator
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scott and republicans did not want to touch. they did not want to impose that criminal liability on police officers. it is a red line for them. and this draft legislation that is being passed around, even though there would seem to be some sort of gentlewomen/men's agreement that it would not be touched based on current law, there have been changes imposed by the democrats in this draft legislation and that is a non-starter for them so they're going to have to work through this issue. so this is a roadblock, geoff. is it going to derail everything? senator scott just told me he doesn't think so, but they're going to have to work to get past this, and this is something he's not willing to compromise on, geoff. >> leigh ann, should we read anything into the fact that it was democrats primarily writing the text, even though you have senator scott and senator booker and congresswoman karen bass all working on this together? >> why you, we should, actually.
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democrats were taking the lead on this. the democrats were in the majority. the democrats passed the george floyd policing act. that's why they're writing the text and why senator scott is reviewing this legislation but found this problem with it in the section 242 and it has to be worked out. is the bill imminent, is a deal imminent this week? very unlikely, but they say they'll continue working and hopefully next week they'll come to some sort of agreement. geoff? >> leigh ann caldwell, thank you very much. you probably noticed at the pump and at the grocery store, the prices are going up, but the labor department confirmed today that prices for things you buy like gas and food are rising. it jumped 5% from one year earlier. that's higher than what wall
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street expected and the biggest jump in almost 15 years. robin, it's great to see you as always, friend. the white house and the fed say this is ray temporary situation as we work our way out of the pandemic. what's the story here with this inflation? >> geoff, you know, it's all about that base. what is the base we're coming off of last year? we were in a kind of seasonal depression in the throws of 2020. when we snap back from that, we don't know what that is. for instance, core pricesjumped by kind of its largest. is this sustainable inflation?
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there are lots of doubts about that. >> so companies have apparently -- they're passing the rising prices of raw materials and wage increases on to consumers. there is a ceo of a food manufacturer who tells the "wall street journal" that he doesn't see an end in sight to the cost pressures they're facing. how does that compare to what the government is saying? >> well, the headline consumer price index, but if you back out food and energy prices. i know it's not the ideal way, but they say we're not going to do this if you ask for more. there's been really no
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indication of that, but there are some other anomalies going on with the automobile sector, with travel snapping back, so these things have to be watched on balance. >> speaking of watching this, i mean, the last time we saw the consumer price index increase by 5% was august 2008, and we know what happened after that. that was just right before the major financial crisis. so could this be a canary in the coal minor is this related? >> i don't think this is necessarily related. think of august 2008. oil prices that year shot up to, what, 135, $140 a barrel? there were all sorts of concerns of how this would trickle down to all sorts of costs. a systemic thing happened, wall street recession, all sort of prices plummet, but this is not an easy apples to apples analogy. >> roger, i know you don't
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answer financial advice, but i'm going to ask you financial advice, anyway. if i'm an average person in need of a washing machine or an oven, what should i do right now? >> i wish i knew. it's impossible to buy a house. everybody is getting bid out left and right. cars? the price of used cars have surged. i'm leery of bubbles. you think about asset prices, bitcoin. everything is inflated right now. how sustainable that is is a hugely open question. we are following developing news from california where governor gavin newsom just announced the state has approved a judge's ruling on over overtu
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an assault weapons ban. >> this is shameful in every way, shape or form. we'll fight this. we got the right leadership. no other state in america has been more progressive and aggressive on gun safety than california, and we have results to back it up. >> that judge overturned california's 30-year ban last week calling it an experiment in the constitutional right to bear arms. in his ruling the judge also compared ar-15s and swiss army knives, saying they're both good for home and battle. up next, a houston hospital suspends more than 100 health care workers who refuse to get vaccinated. why the workers say the hospital is bullying them into getting the shots. g them into getting the shots. nothing will stop me from vacation. no canceling.
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children ages 12 to 17. the company says it is encouraged by findings from a recent study that included more than 3,000 kids in that age bracket. a new legal battle over vaccine mandates at the workplace. houston methodist suspended 178 staffers who refused to get a vaccine by the monday deadline. demonstrators gathered outside the hospital to protest the mandate. joining us from houston right now is nbc news correspondent morgan chesky. give us a sense of what's going on. are these employees going to be fired if they don't comply? >> reporter: great question. houston methodist has made it very clear that if they do not get vaccinated, not only will they not be able to return to work, but they will be terminated. as of now, those 178 employees are suspended without pay for two weeks. following that, they will be
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terminated. of those 178 employees that are not getting vaccinated, we know 117 of them have filed a mass action lawsuit against houston methodist. they are saying that their reasoning for not wanting to get the shot is because the fda approved the vaccine using an emergency authorization. they want to wait for the official authorization. that's why nurses such as the one i spoke to earlier today says it's simply too soon for her to do that. take a listen. >> if you are comfortable with the vaccine and you want to take it, by all means, take it. if somebody who is not and they are leary and not comfortable injecting it, we want the proper time. we want to did it on our own accord and not forced into anything. >> reporter: the hospital has since responded. the ceo saying that those choosing to not get vaccinated have made it very clear that they are choosing to put their own, i guess, decisions or health ahead of the patient's
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health. in the meantime, the nurses tell me they are standing firm. in fact, they have been approached by other health care groups here in houston about potential employment opportunities. initially, they feared they would be black listed. those i spoke to say so far, that's not the case. jeff? >> morgan chesky following the latest in houston, texas. thanks to you. that does it for me this hour. scratchy? family not getting clean? get charmin ultra strong. it just cleans better, so your family can use less. hello clean bottom! enjoy the go with charmin. [♪♪] if you have diabetes, it's important to have confidence in the nutritional drink you choose. try boost glucose control. it's clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels and contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. try boost today.
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good afternoon, everyone. a short time ago, president biden said that the united states will buy 500 million doses of the pfizer vaccine and donate them to some of the world's poorest nations. that is on top of the 80 million doses the administration has already committed to sharing with those countries. the president said during his speech near the site of the g7 summit innd that it's the right thing to do. >> we will help working alongside our global partners. this is about our responsibility, our humanitarian obligation to save as many lives as we can. and our responsibility to our values. >> the announcement cams hours after the president held his face meeting with british prime minister boris johnson. the two leaders signing a new atlantic charter aimed at strengthening the relationship
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