it is friday, the latest on the stunning news that trump's justice department targeted adam schiff and other democrats on the house intelligence committee. we're going to speak with a member of that committee who is getting briefed on this developing story right now. plus, attorney general merrick garland is set to speak on voting rights as republicans move to enact sweeping new measures that could potentially subvert election results. and president biden meets with america's g7 allies and

britain's royal family as he prepared for the high stakes summit with vladimir putin in just a few days. ♪♪ welcome to friday. we made it. it is ""meet the press" daily", i'm kasie hunt in for chuck todd. we'll talk about what we don't know surrounding the revelations that trump justice department seized cell phone data from perceived members of the house committee. adam schiff and eric swalwell have confirmed they are were targeted, first reported by the "new york times" that the justice department subpoenaed records from apple for at least a dozen people, including house intelligence committee family members and at least one minor.

this came as the committee was conducting its investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election. congressman schiff and other democrats are calling for an investigation. democratic leaders in the senate want bill barr and jeff sessions and others to testify, a house intelligence committee official tells nbc news they've been frustrated by lack of information in the biden justice department about the subpoenas. there is a lot that we don't know about what happened, what trump's justice department was looking for exactly, who else might have been targeted and perhaps most importantly whether the probes were politically motivated. the justice department has declined to comment to msnbc. we've also reached out to jeff sessions and bill barr but have not heard back. but we do know to take such aggressive action, seizing records of sitting members of congress and their families is an extraordinary step when they are conducting an investigation that is potentially damaging to the president. democrats on the house intelligence committee certainly

want answers and right knew we know that some members are being briefed on the latest and later on in the show we'll speak with mcquigley, a mess of the house intelligence committee after he's been briefed. but we kick off with our team the nbc reporters. pete williams, capitol hill correspondent leigh ann caldwell and jake ward who is covering the tech angle will join us in a just a moment. pete, what do you know about what happened here and can you help us understand how significant this is and whether anything like it has ever happened before to our knowledge? >> well our understanding is as you laid out, that in 2018, the justice department sent a subpoena to apple looking for data on we think about 12 people, the two congressman you mentioned and their staff and family members and child looking for family members in case folks were using their children or family members phones for communication. now what exactly apple was asked

to provide, we don't know because the members of congress say they don't know either. so we don't know if this is cell phone records, text message records, email records, some combination of all three, but we do know that according to officials familiar with the subpoenas, it was not for the actual contents of any of those, but what is known as the metadata, which is the phone numbers and the emails and that kind of thing. but we do know that the inspector general of the justice has been asked to look into this by lisa monaco. we don't know when that request was sent but a justice department official tells us that the inspector general will look into this and members of congress are frustrated they're not getting more information from justice. perhaps that will change. although once things get assigned to an inspector general that clams up everybody at the justice department because they'll say i can't talk because

it is an investigation. in terms of how often this happens, it happens very seldom. and it is politically fraught because at the time they were investigating the president and his staff with contact with the russians and here comes the justice department investigating them. but the trump administration felt buffeted by many high-profile leaks soon after it took office and that this was one of the responses to them. we also know that now that the government subpoenaed phone records and other data from reporters for "the new york times," washington post and cnn. so there was a sort of all hands on deck effort at justice to try to figure out where the leaks were coming from. >> pete, what does the law say about the justice department's power here? we've obviously seen members of congress face inquiries related to corruption related issues or insider trading or things like that. but this is -- we should

underscore one branch of government investigating a co-equal branch of government tasked with over sight of the executive branch. are we in a gray area or are they clearly on solid footing. >> well politically it is explosive but in terms of the legal authority, i don't think there is much question about that, that the justice department can seek records. now there are procedures whenever there are investigations that involve members of congress that are politically sensitive for a number of reasons, they're elected officials and so forth so the justice department has to go through extra steps. but there is nothing illegal about subpoenaing records from members of congress and the fact that it is a leak investigation is as opposed to a corruption investigation legally doesn't matter. but it is legal issue is one thing, the propriety, the appearance of it is another. >> all right, pete williams, thank you for your measured

expertise. we really appreciate it. leigh an, let me go to you. there is some understandable tension between democrats on the house intelligence committee and now the biden justice department because there are biden officials in charge. we know merrick garland has been working hard to restore the traditions and norms of the department as pete has pointed out and in theory i suppose this could fall under that same umbrella. but at the same time, that tension has got to be very real. i mean, what do you know about it and whether or not this there is any different response to members of congress here. >> yeah, there is a real tension. and one that was really unexpected with the biden justice department once they came into power in this investigation that is involving democratic members of congress. now adam schiff and his office want to reiterate that this case was closed in may and there was

no wrongdoing found of leaking information to reporters. but they are trying to seek more information, that is really all that the intelligence committee, democrats know about this investigation. and they've been asking many questions including what specific data and metadata was being subpoenaed, what topics, who specifically and that is just information that they're not able to get right now. and despite repeated inquiries, and so there is a lot of frustration. and as you mentioned, it is kind of an over correction perhaps or just a correction from what was happening in the trump justice department as there have been many allegations over and over again and reporting pointing to the fact that the justice department was doing the bidding of the former president donald trump. and so this is -- if this is the

justice department trying to insert its independence by not seeking favor, giving favor to democrats in congress or the biden white house, then they're doing such a good job at it that they're extremely frustrating members of their own party, kasie. >> leigh an, pete did just report that lisa monaco has asked for an investigation from the inspector general. do you anticipate that is enough for chairman schiff and these other democrats? >> we'll see. we'll see how much cooperation there is. right now there is little to no cooperation between the two. and so i'm told by my sources that there have not been formal discussions yet about congress opening an investigation on the house side anyway, we have to wait more times to see how things progress. but over on the senate side, senator ron wyden has called for

legislation and investigations about government surveillance. and we also saw senator dick durbin, head of the judiciary committee and chuck schumer who are called for the former attorney general bill barr and jeff sessions to come and testify and threatens the use of subpoena if they refuse to do so. so whatever form they take in congress, whether it is the current department of justice for the past ones, it is still developing and it is not going to go away any time soon, kasie. >> stick with me for a second. i wan to bring in jake ward to this conversation to talk about a significant piece of this story which is involvement of apple and this could apply to other technology company in similar investigations. jake, we've heard a lot about how apple or has or hasn't cooperated with government investigations in the past. they clearly turned this data over. i'm curious, what do we know

about the decision-making behind that as well as this order that prevented the tech companies from telling the subjects of the investigation that this was even going on. >> well, i think, kasie, we're seeing here the fruits of years long and in some cases decades long relationship between tech companies and law enforcement, counter-terrorism procedures, all of that. in this case, we're seeing probably a case, and again this is all based on "new york times" reporting about apple. but in this case, it seems as if apple may have complied with handing over certain amount of data. thos nat in fact an unusual thing. if you look up a law enforcement transparent report on any of the big tech companies, you see they are hit all of the time with requests from law enforcement to turn over certain data. in the past we have seen cases in which this did not happen at all. during the san bernardino shooting investigation, the fbi requested that apple unlock that shooter's iphone which would

have required apple to undo its entire security system for all users, by building a back door into the system. apple refused to do that. that kind of thing is one thing. in this case, it seems that if they did hand over data, it was a much more limited amount of data, maybe just meta data and all of that ends up being in a new front in this. so, yeah, as you say, there has been a lot of tech company involves in these conversations and constant conversation with law enforcement and this just laps to have been a very nationally important story. >> well, and leigh ann, what do lawmakers have to protect themselves. as he pointed out, legally everyone is aboveboard here but it is very politically questionable, but if they could say if a president is investigating someone here, we

at least want to know about it. >> they could. they could -- we'll see what form the legislation that senator ron wyden said that he's going to draft can take. but it also, there is also a first amount protection as well and something that is been challenged and also become an issue this week when these gag orders have expired and reporters from other outlets have also come under the pressure from department of justice to turn over their information as well and that is another thing, that is why this is also coming to light, because the gag order for adam schiff has also expired. which is why they're able now to talk about this. so legislation is what -- government surveillance has been a very here and on the far left of the libertarian right and we'll see if they could come together to

figure out how to handle these issues, kasie. >> incredibly tricky. thanks to both of you. really appreciate your reporting. this hour we'll haeb hear from a member of the house intelligence committee being briefed as we speak of his committee colleagues. and as of next, as the chance of passing any voting rights legislation, merrick garland is talking about what the justice department could do to secure americans' right to vote. ecure americans' right to vote as you charge ahead. illuminating the way forward. a light maker. recognizing that the impact you make, comes from the energy you create. introducing the all-electric lyriq. lighting the way. ♪ ♪

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welcome back. we have a bit of news coming up on a june friday. attorney general merrick garland is set to speak on voting rights in less than an hour. according to axios, he will discuss steps the justice department is taking to expand the right to vote. that is happening as democrats are coming to terms with fact that their sweeping for the people act on vote igt rights is dead on arrival on the senate with joe manchin and all republicans opposing it as

written. garland will address redistricting since the supreme court struck down part of the voting rights act that required states with a history of racist voting practices to preclear election rules with the justice department. on the capitol hill, the john lewis voting rights act has the support of manchin and alaska republican senator lisa murkowski but the path forward is uncertain. joining me now is my colleague sasha capper and withen, jen palmieri and charlie sykes, founder and editor of the bulwark. so i'm going to warn all of that you it is possible we're going to see the queen here in a couple of minutes. so if i have to interrupt you, at the g7, please forgive me. it doesn't mean i think any of you. let's start with the reporting on this. if there is clear limits to what the justice department could do and compared to what congress could do and there is no path forward basically on anything

voting related. so what do we expect from the attorney general here and how far can he go, basically? >> a narrow path here in congress, kasie, especially if the filibuster remains. there are two pieces of legislation. the for the people act does not have a pulse. it is stranded at 49 votes. it does not have a path to a 50th vote. the john lewis vote would restore the portion of the original voting rights act that the supreme court gutted in 2013 with a new formula that requires states with a history of racial discrimination to get pre-approval for their voting laws. now the justice department could make some tweaks around the edges to existing law but it would need congress to force those states to pre-clear those kind of changes and laws. but the thing that is vexing to democrats and frustrating to democrats, kasie, is that the john lewis voting rights act would not undo the voting restrictions that have already pass and in republican led states like georgia recently,

like texas. so that is where democrats are in a bind. because they don't have a path to getting any major voting rights legislation through as long as the 60 vote threshold remains as far as we could see, democrats do not have the support to abolish that. >> so jen palmieri, with joe manchin laying this line in the sand on the for the people act, of course saying he's support the john lewis voting rights legislation, but it does put democrats in a difficult place and a lot of anger frankly among a lot of democrats at manchin for do this. i think he may be taking the arrows for a group that is a little bit bigger. what is your sense of where democrats should go from here and what is possible if manchin remains immovable. >> i don't want to downplay the importance of the impact of what manchin did because he does have -- it does stop one in his tracks.

and these are existential threats to democracy that we're talking about concerns well beyond joe biden's political, how he's doing politically or even his agenda. a majority of house republicans voting to over turn a presidential election and states give the state legislature power to over turn elections and i think the biden white house understands they have to fight this at every level. that is why you see doj doing what they're doing today and that is why there are so many court files against the state laws. even while biden is in the u.k., he's talking about democracy being able to deliver. this is a -- the fight to preserve democracy is not going to get resolved in this session of congress. and it is a big disappointment that they couldn't get it done and we'll have to fight at all of the other levels, states, court, convincing voters they have to turn out to vote even though top republicans are trying to make it harder to do

so. it is the great question and issue of this presidency and this time. >> so charlie sykes, we can obviously put s-1, the for the people act at joe manchin's feet but you can't do that with the john lewis voting rights act that would restore the preclearance restrictions that were struck down. as jen notes correctly, all republicans are standing in the way of s-1 and all but lisa murkowski are opposing the john lewis bill. so what is the responsibility of some of the other republicans who watch what happened on january 6 who are continuing to hear the former president question the results of the election, we've got 30% of their base who are believing him and thinking that joe biden is the illegitimate president as these voting restrictions are being passed in states. what is the responsibility these republicans have? >> that is an excellent question. joe manchin is not alone in

opposing this. and i don't think that hr-1s would ever going to pass. i don't think it was written to pass. no one should be surprised that it wasn't going to pass. it was 800 pages. it had all sorts of things that were stuffed in it of questionable constitutionality. i do question the democratic strategy of raising expectations about this unpassable piece of legislation as opposed to putting the emphasize on this john lewis bill and the question goes to heart of this. voting rights act was passed back in the 1960s with overwhelming bipartisan support, i believe it had 70 votes in the united states senate and when it was reauthorized under bush it was unanimous. but now republicans are lined up to vote against the voting rights act. so we could talk about the bind that democrats find themselves in, but i think it is appropriate to turn it around and say when did republicans line up in touch lockstep way

against the fundamental voting rights that has long and rich and storied tradition in this country. so i do think that they ought to be forced on the record, they ought to be asked to explain why you are opposing the john lewis voting rights act, a restoration of something that was not that controversial until very, very recently. i also think that the democrats ought to consider legislation that deals with the real existential problem which is how electoral college votes are cast. now we have all of this focus on how the votes -- the votes are counted. we had all of the focus on how votes are cast but i do think it would be worth their time to put up legislation and force votes on clarification of the legislation that says that state legislatures do not have the power to overturn the popular election. that congress does not have the power to ignore the winner of a presidential election without, say, a super majority.

so there are some options but i do think it is time to again focus on why republicans have turned so negative on this question of voting rights because quite frankly, i think that is going to be a huge challenge for them going forward. >> sure. and you're right to point out, this is something that everyone thought would be preordained, that congress is likely to fix it and now here we are and it is suddenly politically impossible. and jen, we're starting to pick up some nervousness and i realize people like to joke, it is a theme among democrats, but the infrastructure negotiations have been glacially slow. we've spent a lot of times why the voting rights piece of this that so many consider this as essential isn't going anywhere. negotiations on police reform seem to be making some progress but are still slow. is the glacial pace of what is going on reason to be concerned here because, i mean, president

biden may ome get two years with democratic majority? >> and i think that biden administration is working with congress, how do they that matters a lot, particularly after we have a president that had a lot of disdain tor congress, for trying to work in any bipartisan way, for appreciating other points. so i think that while it will -- it is still early june. they have had the american rescue plan which was having a very big impact, a very big piece of legislation. so it is still relatively early in the year. but i think they are right to try to exhaust remedy when it comes to a bipartisan package on infrastructure, for example. and so now that we have these ten senators that have agreed in theory to a bipartisan package, it is now incumbents on the five republican senators to see if they could find five more colleagues that will support this package, right. and if they don't, then it is on

them that this package is not -- that there is not a republican sh could not be a bipartisan infrastructure bill through congress. and then i think democrats, biden, they are fine to go forward on their own. remembering that there are huge support in congress for -- and the public for a very big infrastructure package. i think the way they're going about this is the right way. >> all right, thank you all very much for joining us today with your reporting and insights. we really appreciate. and coming up next, we're heading to the u.k. where president biden and the queen are both moments away from arriving at a din we are g7 leaders. we've seen merkel and macron and trudeau arrive. and later the cdc is holding a emergency meeting after covid vairks may be linked to a rare and serious heart condition in teens and young adults. teens and young adults ♪ and they're always glad you came ♪

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of course it was our own andrea mitchell who shouted questioned to kate middleton. and they're stopping to speak with boris johnson, the u.k. prime minister and his wife here. at the queen of course in a woefully frock for the evening. andrea mitchell asking kate middleton about her new niece lilibet diana named for the queen. that is her childhood name, lillybet. let's bring in mike mem olie, who is on ground there. mike, you are in england and forget, i'm a huge royal watcher in my nonpolitics life so it is fun to be able to see the queen doing that. this of course has been buzz about the bidens meeting the queen. we weren't sure she was going to join them for dinner. set the scene, what is unfolding

right now and how does this kind of soft diplomacy if you will play into the the overall mission that the biden team is trying to accomplish with all of this? >> reporter: well, kasie, i've written and been talking over the last few days about the depth of experience that president biden brings now to his first foreign trip. the depth relationships that he will meet with over the course of the trip in the next week. i think the queen has his beat she's about to celebrate her platinum head of state and governments and dignitaries that she has worked with and had very private conversations with over the years and when you talk about diplomacy as the united kingdom is hosting of is in a post-brexit reality, how does england and did the united kingdom fit on to the world stage. is it diminished by not being

part of the european union any more. and there was some question, we knew on the schedule for this week was a dinner with the royal family. it was only yesterday that we learned that the queen herself would be participating. now there are several reasons for that. i think yesterday was what would have been her husband, the late prince philip's 100 birthday and in the natural sensitivity you heard when president biden began marking the anniversary and sending his thoughts to the queen. and of course, her own health. she is 95. we see her here, i can't help but thinking of seeing her in past years and i think the age does show as well. so i think they wanted to have her as part of this g7 summit to the extent possible but it is only yesterday they were able to commit to her participation. and the other part of this is joe biden has met the queen before. there was some -- to learn whether that had been the case, 1982 was the only time that then

senator biden met the queen but he's only the latest president. she's met them all except for president johnson to meet with the queen now. >> indeed several decades since then. also with us, is ben rhodes who served as deputy national security adviser during the obama administration and now an nbc news political contributor and author of "after all, america and the world we made." and thank you so much for being with us. and let's talk about what they're trying to accomplish here which is to repair a set of relationships that defined the 20th century but particularly under donald trump, they were extraordinarily changed. how big of a hill does president biden has v to climb to convince them that you could trust me, president biden, but that you could trust america for more than just the four years that he's set to hold office? >> well, that is exactly right. because there are two layires to

this. the first is restoring the relationships and the good decor um, and american president who is not, you know, getting invited to the party and you're not sure what he's going to do when he arrives. joe biden is clearly more than -- you see recent polling suggests that the world's opinion of america is down significantly. i think underneath that in the back of head of leader meeting with joe biden is the question of how durable is this? we in the obama years spent years negotiating a paris climate accord and trump comes along and tears those up and pulls out and they're watching american politics and seeing the republican party continuing to turn to donald trump and they don't know whether in 2024 he'll be back. so there is nothing that joe biden could do to fully over come that. it will take to take to the depth of these, but he's off to

a good start. >> so let's look ahead to the meeting that president biden is set to hold with vladimir putin in geneva after the conclusion of this conference. what do you think he needs to do with that meeting, do you have any concerns or thoughts on essentially this idea that there is not a deliverable coming out of this meeting? there is not a goal to accomplish but there is value. the white house argued in them sitting down face-to-face, do you agree with that assessment and what do you think the president needs to do? >> i agree with that assessment in the sense there is only one decision maker in the russian system. so if you want to have a conversation about all of the many issues that the u.s. and russia have that they're either working on or competing on or have irritants on, you have to talk to putin. part of the reason to have a meeting was to arrest the cycle of escalation happening the united states and russia. since this meeting was announced, everything that putin has done has suggested that he does not want to stop at

escalation. you stop at the diversion of the belarus airlines so they could detain an opposition is something that russia was likely involved in. you see these continued cyber and ransomware attacks coming from russian soil. you see the designation of alexei navalny detained and his organization deemed an extremist group. so i think for joe biden, that means he's going to have to head into this summit and the focus of the summit is going to be on areas of disagreement, not areas of agreement. he'll have to deliver what donald trump wouldn't deliver which is a tough message that the united states is going to take action in response to cyberattacks in response to the tension and poisoning of alexei navalny and all of the other provocations. and that is hard. it is hard to go to meeting where you know you're not going to come out with a lot of production announcements but i think it is better to have open lines of communication to try to find some common ground on

certain issues, maybe nuclear arms control and an area where they have worked together in the past. but it is just going to continue to be a frosty relationship. >> yeah, you're right about that series of interesting data points that show how putin is trying to set the stage. thank you both very much for being here today. we really appreciate it. and we have a little bit of exciting news. kier simmons is sitting down with an exclusive interview with russian president vladimir putin ahead of his meeting with president biden. you could catch the first part of that interview tonight on nbc "nightly news" with lester holt and the full interview will air on monday night. watch that. anyway, coming up, house intelligence committee member mike quigley will be here after he was just briefed about the trump justice department targeting the commune records of his colleagues and their families. lleagues and their families -kee-on-oh... -nope. -co-ee-noah. -no. -joaquin. -no. it just takes practice. give it a shot.

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trump's justice department seized data from democrats on house intelligence committee i want to turn to a lawmaker just briefed on that very latest. congressman mike quigley joins us now to discuss what he's learned. congressmon, thank you so much for being here today. we appreciate your time. what did you learn about how this all unfolded? >> obviously this is another assault on our democracy by the trump administration. i found out about it when i read about it in the newspaper. i can't say that i was surprised but i was not previously notified about this effort. >> so, congressman, do we know about anything additional about whose records were seized, beyond the chairman and congressman eric swalwell but we know there were family members, at least one minor. what else do we know about who was targeted here? >> it is a good question because

it is not clear. apple has given us a mechanism to find out about that but i'll say this, the alerts that they sent out or the way they let people know about this was hardly satisfactory and i would say the same clearly in the initial justice department information. so we have been given that information about the mechanism. so i think most members of the committee who are serving at that time will pass this information on and find out if they were also targeted. >> when you say mechanism, can you describe a little bit more about what you mean? >> i think you just give them your numbers you might have associated with those accounts and they try to find out if you are subject to those requests, unfortunately. but, again. >> so you're at the mercy of apple to find out what happened to your records? >> i'd like to think it goes

beyond apple, that the justice department would be forthcoming with the same information. i think it is incredibly important right now that inspector general investigation takes place, that talks about the scope of this, the bearing for this, who is responsible, who went forward with it, and for those who aren't necessarily concerned about congress and the separation of powers and the asult on our democracy, this is an assault on the free press at the same time. and it makes sense that we do an inspector general investigation. but my first point, my first thought when i heard about this last night was, you know, i thought a hostile government might attack us being on this committee serving on intel. i just wasn't sure the hostile government was my own and what do we do now to prevent this sort of thing from happening again. i'm not sure it -- we could be

comforted. >> we've got a little bit of break in the news here. sorry but the -- >> -- justice department. >> well speaking of justice department, the office of inspector general has initiated a review here. they only just announced it as you and i were talking. initiated a review of the use of subpoenas and other legal authorities to obtain communications records from members of congress. so that is -- the department of justice inspector general michael horowitz announcing this. so it looks like you're going to get your investigation. do you think that congress should investigate this as well? >> i do. i don't think -- i think we've learned that congress has to protect itself at some point in time. and i've heard that the senate is going to be looking into this and that is i think appropriate. i think it is probably best that others do it and not the intel committee, just because it's us. so i think it's a bit of a problem if we try to be involved

with an investigation in which this committee was targeted. but i do think there are others in congress that could do this and that is part of it. but to my earlier point, i can't stress enough, this was a presidency that was willing to use the justice department as its lap dog and politicize it. who else were they using across all of the agencies and government to do the same sort of thing, to do other dirty tricks and that is something we have to be concerned about. what else was the trump administration doing along these lines that could have happened outside of the department of justice. >> sir, in an earlier era, i think you would have had a lot of bipartisan outrage about something like this, anything frankly that infringed on the the right of congress to do its business and to hold the executive branch accountable, which is of course the point of the house and senate

intelligence committees. do you anticipate any of your republican colleagues will be upset or frustrated by this? if it was a different party, obviously they would be as concerned as you, i think. but is there anything left of that bipartisan concern about the prerogatives of the congress and the separation of powers? >> think about it this way. if they were concerned about an assault on congress, they would have been a lot more concerned about january 6th and they wouldn't have voted against a security supplemental and they would have voted for a commission to investigate this. never mind the four years under the trump administration which was an assault on the the powers and the independence of congress and the separation of power. very few of them stood up in those four years. unfortunately, not enough has stood up and shown profiles and courage since that administration is left dealing with the commission and the security supplemental.

>> very, very briefly, sir, are you happy with how the biden department of justice is responding to your inquiry so far? >> i think it is too early to judge. i want them to get to the root of this and to cooperate with the inspector general's office. >> all right, congressman quigley, thank you very much for all of that. we appreciate your updates and taking some time after that briefing to be with us today. coming up next, the cdc said there is growing evidence that covid vaccines may be linked to a rare but serious heart issue. dr. gupta will join us with what you need to know. need to know yes. formulated to help you body really truly absorb the natural goodness. new chapter. wellness, well done. wanna grab pizza? bad move, guys! get a freshly made footlong from subway® instead! like a classic italian b.m.t.® stacked with fresh veggies. there's a subway® three blocks from here! choose better, be better. and now save when you order in the app.

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♪ ♪ welcome back. the cdc vaccine advisory committee will hold an emergency meeting next week as the agency says evidence is growing stronger for a link between the coronavirus vaccine and a type of heart inflammation. the cdc is investigating a small but higher than normal number of cases of a condition called myocarditis and young adults after vaccination. experts continue to say the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks. dr. gupta is with us. thank you for joining us. what do you say to parents who are concerned, possibly, about these reports? >> good afternoon, kasie. i would say it's okay to be anxious and have questions.

but as you just mentioned, kasie, these reports of myocarditis, the heart is a very big muscle, and in select cases of shots going into individuals between 12 to 16 years of age, there may be heart issues that resolve on its own without any intervention medically. so that's really reassuring. but the cdc is taking proper precautions. they're looking to see if there is a link and what guidance should be followed. i'll tell all parents out there, if you have a child 12 and older who after having one of the mrna vaccines feels shortness of breath, fever or palpitations, please make an appointment with their pediatrician, or if they're 18 or older with their internist, then google so that

they are documenting these cases, no matter how mild they may be. there will be a warning attached with that rare blood issue with the johnson & johnson vaccine. the risk of coronavirus still vastly more with the coronavirus than this heart issue in a rare number of cases. >> doctor, how concerned should parents that have kids with heart conditions who already have reason to be worried about their child's heart, what should they know in this particular instance? >> this is going to be some of the nuance that will be provided by acip next week. if you have a child with a preexisting heart condition or congenital heart condition, then that's a situation where you would maybe want to get one of the non-mrna vaccines to protect against any potential

complication. these types of details in greater guidance will be provided by acip next week. if it was my son or daughter and they had a congenital heart condition, i would probably opt for one of the non-mrna vaccines in that instance. >> doctor, do we know why these mrna vaccines may cause this as opposed to the johnson & johnson or astrazeneca. >> we don't know yet, kasie, and i think that's going to be part of this deep dive that will happen next week. that is to say this type of inflammation, it sounds scary, i understand why it's causing some anxiety, but often it goes undiagnosed, and number two, 80% have required no hospitalization. the few cases that have have just required monitoring and medications like ibuprofen. this is not something that i think should cause significant

alarm, it should actually cause sommer of reassurance that any type of adverse event, however serious, is being investigated to make sure we're providing guidance. >> it's very important. as always, dr. gupta, we certainly appreciate your analysis. thank you for being with us this hour. we'll be back next week with "mtp daily" and also "way too early." geoff bennett continues after the break. r the break. ♪ every bubble ♪ ♪ every scrub ♪ ♪ every spray ♪ ♪ every day ♪ ♪ dove and degree fund local youth programs. ♪ every day u does good ♪ unilever

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