what this means is that a lot of these pawns in this so-called war going to be charge as opposed to the king or a lot of the leaders in the situation. >> that is well said. ryan reilly, thank you for making time for us. that does it for all and you can that does it for "all in." catch us weeknights at8:00 p.m. welcome to msnbc's special coverage of day two of the g7 summit in the uk. president biden kicking off his day with an intelligence briefing at this hour as he prepares to call on allies to take a tougher stance chance against china. also on the docket today, a bilateral meeting with french president macron.

and the queen was heard cracking jokes during a photo-op. joe biden is the 13th u.s. president the queen has met. just days from now, the highly anticipated meeting between president biden and vladimir putin after a wave of cyberattacks launched from russia. in an exclusive interview, putin denies knowing anything about the attacks and compares trump to biden. >> translator: we have a bilateral relationship that's deteriorated to its lowest point in recent years. former president, mr. trump, is a talented individual. president biden is dramatically different. it's my greatest hope, yes, there's some advantages and disadvantages. hanging over all the meetings, the climate pry sis.

carbon dioxide at its highest levels in the atmosphere and poor nations bearing the brun of it. prince charles called on allies to do more. >> can we once again literally put the wind in our sails and win the battle against climate change? the scale of the challenge is immense. the window of opportunity to tackle it is closing extremely fast. joining me now from the uk is nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell, and jonathan lamier, white house reporter for the associated press. great to have you there covering this g7. andrea, what's on the agenda today? what's the president's message going to be on china? >> importantly he's trying to rally the g7 summit leaders

against china. and argue that china is being aggressive, that china has been militarizing, that china has been pressuring nations, using covid vaccine diploma cydiploma. the g7 announcing the 1 billion, but that's far short of what the world health organizations say is needed to vaccinate the world by 2022. china has been aggressive on many fronts. the problem that president biden has on all of this is that he differs with some of his closest allies here. the others, france, germany and the uk even are trying to develop trade relationships with china. so rather than competing with china, they're trying to become partners with china, much more so than the u.s. but that's the main message he's

giving today. an aggressive message against china, trying to rally all of them. trying to take the lead on the covid vaccines by doing half of the entire g7 contribution to the covax, the international group that is distributing vaccines to nearly 100 of the poorest nations. then the challenge of how to do that. how to make that happen. how to doit equatably. the u.s. is saying there are no strings attached. russia is looming over all of this. and there are didn't views towards russia with germany trying to work with russia on that pipeline, bringing gas from russia directly to germany and the rest of europe bypassing ukraine. the u.s. against that, but joe biden moderating his stance by waiving sanctions on the

european-based but russian-owned operator of the pipeline. so there are differing views, what they're trying to do today, what the president is trying to do is say democracies work, autocracies don't. look to democracy to lead the world to economic recovery. on that they're showing great leadership fueled by the american recovery. that's his best calling card. >> you mentioned one of the big overriding talking points, rich versus poor nations. andrea must shenned they're committing the 1 billion vaccine doses to low-income nations. there is criticism that much more is needed and not just on the vaccine front. talk about that. >> that's right. we hear there is real pressure on the g7 to step up as the

economy around the world has really struggled amid the pandemic. there are so many human rights issues around the world. so many issues related to the pandemic when it comes to struggling health systems, vaccines. there's also all of the talks about how poor people live in this country and how corporations maybe need to pay more of their fair share. that's why you're hearing about this global minimum tax of 15%. president biden is bringing that message, too. it's a message he talks about globally but also a message he talked about domestically. you're seeing his domestic plans based in trying to tax wealthy corporations, wealthy individuals to help what he says is a struggling middle class that needs to be helped. that's really saying to the g7, we need to help people around the world who are struggling and need us for help especially

during this pandemic. >> a couple segs today, jonathan. what will you be looking for? >> certainly china will be the main focus here. white house aides told us what they want to do, what the president is going to try to do is in the communique that will wrap up the g7 that is about to be issued at some point tomorrow, they want to call out china by name for its forced labor practices. a muslim group there have been pushed into labor camps and making products used in china and around the world. and how biden wants the development of the western countries to condemn that. the question is whether or not they'll have buy-in from the european allies who have stronger ties to china economically than biden does, that the u.s. does. don't view china quite necessarily as a threat as the president has laid out here in the first few months of his term

where he painted his picture of democracy versus autocracy as the defining battle. the whole g7 itself is themed along climate change. there's a lot of agreement, if there with the president and the allies represented here on the coast of england. but the question is what substantially will come out of that. the idea of economic fairness dovetails with the climate change. and if we step back, this is just about reassurance. this is about this president trying to answer the question that so many u.s. allies have. was president trump's term that america-first foreign policy, was that the operation, or is joe biden's term the operation? biden can be followed by if not trump himself but someone who practices trumpism with the world? biden's message is supposed to be we're back. trump was the blip, not me.

>> let's talk putin. that's something we're looking forward to next week. we have an exclusive interview, putin with nbc's kier simmons ahead of his meeting next week. it's his first television interview in three years. let's get a preview. >> president vladimir putin tells us he's going into next week's summit with relations with the u.s. at a historic low. >> we have a bilateral relationship that deteriorated to its lowest point in recent year. >> the leader last met with a u.s. president in helsinki in 2018. how does he compare former president trump with the fifth american president he's now set to meet? he told us biden is someone he can work with. you once described president trump as a bright person, talented, how would you describe president biden? >> translator: even now i

believe that former u.s. president, mr. trump, is an extraordinary individual, talented individual. otherwise he would not have become u.s. president. he's a colorful individual. you may like him or not. he didn't come from the u.s. establishment. he was not a part of politics before. some like it. some don't like it, but that's a fact. president biden, of course, is radically different from trump because president biden is a career man. he spent virtually his entire adulthood in politics. just think of the number of years he spent in the senate. a different kind of person. it is my great hope, yes, there's some advantages, some disadvantages, but no impulse-based movements on behalf of the u.s. sitting president. >> we sat down for a 90-minute interview inside the kremlin where i pressed him on whether he ordered assassinations of some of his adversaries.

>> when president trump was told you were a killer, he didn't deny it. when president biden was asked whether he believes you are a killer, he said i do. mr. president, are you a killer? >> over my tenure i've gotten used to attacks from all kinds of angles, areas and pretext and reasons of a different caliber and fierceness. none of it surprises me. as far as harsh rhetoric, i think this is an expression of u.s. culture. in hollywood there's underlying deep things in hollywood, macho, which could be treated as cinematic art. that's part of u.s. culture where it's considered normal. not here. it's not considered normal here. >> i don't think i heard you answer the question, the direct question. >> i did answer. i did answer. i heard dozens of such accusations. especially during the period of great events during our counterterroism efforts.

when that happens i'm always guided by the interest of the russian people and the russian state. in sentiments of who calls somebody whom what kind of labels, this is not something i worry about in the least. >> some have died in prison, others have been shot. are all of these coincidents, mr. president? >> look, you know, i don't want to come across as being rude, but this looks like some kind of indigestion. you mentioned some individuals who perished at didn't times at the hands of different individuals. i liked laizen very much. he died or perished or died in the united states. i regret to this day he's not

with us. in my opinion, he's a very decent, good person. and as far as the others, we found some of the criminals who committed those crimes. some are in prison. we're prepared to continue to work in this mode. >> today, reports that russia is offering to supply iran with satellite technology that would help it target the u.s. military in the region. president putin denying those claims. >> at the very least, i don't any anything about this kind of thing. those who are speaking about it probably know more about it. it's nonsense garbage. >> andrea mitchell, is what we just heard from vladimir putin and how it sets the stage for the meeting with joe biden? >> i would be surprised if this interview and what putin said about joe biden is not part of the president's pdb, that he's

getting right now, not so many miles from here at the g7 castle where they're staying. that was fascinating. when he talked about the fact he could work with joe biden, but was still so aggressive on the subjects of cyber and other aggressions, the killings of -- the assassinations of those people who we know, according to u.s. intelligence and other intelligence services. all attributed to the kremlin led by vladimir putin. he runs the country. he's responsible not just for the cyberattacks, the solar winds and other attacks not only from his own intelligence and hackers, but also indirectly or directly responsible for those ransomeware hackers who work out of -- off of russian soil. nothing happens in russia without vladimir putin. the fact that kier simmons sat

there and said are you a killer and then named all of the people, the opponents he killed, and two days before the summit having the courts there that he controls aggressively declare that navalny, the opposition leader, who was jailed, barely survived an assassination attempt from the kremlin, that his organization is extremist, is not only outlawed but is a terror group basically. completely decimating any ability of this opposition political group that had massive protests months ago. he is vulnerable. you can see his political vulnerability in the way he's lashing out against his opponents. the fact he said he can work with joe biden and that joe biden is not erratic, i forget the exact words, that he's more

predictable, and biden saying the other day when he landed here, telling u.s. troops he wants a stable and predictable relationship with vladimir putin. putin has shown no interest in being anything but predictably aggressive. >> jonathan, the big question is, is there any way to capitalize on any vulnerabilities that putin has? biden's approach to putin the polar opposite of trump's who was very chummy with the russian leader. >> to be sure. we heard from former president trump days ago praising putin. defending his answers in helsinki years ago. i'll also note putin didn't deny he was a killer there. he danced around those questions. but from president biden, their hope here is indeed somewhat more modest perhaps than system of his predecessors. there's no talk of a reset of

relations. no talk of a warm, personal rapport with putin. he won't be staring into putin's eyes to get a sense of his soul. it's about realism. trying to make things stable. biden knows putin is weaker domestically than he has been in a long time but there's a limit to what the u.s. can do here. we've seen sanctions. the countries did work together on a new s.t.a.r.t. deal. that's progress. you will hear from the president firm words about the cyberhacking. even if russia wasn't directly involved, there's a nod nod wink blessing. there's going to be talks about election interference. this is what president biden wants to do as he assures european allies that the u.s. has their back. >> that's the final question in the last minute, what does a successful meeting with vladimir putin look like from the perspective of the

administration, senior officials that you talked to but also how the president is setting his stage in the conversations here at the g7? >> white house aides have been trying to lower expectations for this meeting saying the point of this meeting is for president biden to go there, to deliver a blunt message to vladimir putin and to really make sure he reaffirmed that america is strong and it will be strong, the country will be strong against russian aggression. there's no deliverables as even everyone is noting here. just to make sure it's clear that he's completely different than former president trump. i thought it was fascinating that vladimir putin didn't, as jonathan said, say that i am not a killer. and he praised former president trump and said joe biden, you have a lot of years in government so i guess i can work with you, too.

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after four years of america first, president biden is overseas with the message that america is back and ready to lead western democracies in a struggle with autocracies.

that's the message in the crucial first part of the g7 trip. it's also a clear message to the adversary president biden will be meeting with at the end of his travels, russian president vladimir putin. >> we're not seeking conflict with russia. we want a stable, predictable relationship. the united states will respond in a robust and meaningful way. joining me now is barry mccaffrey. so great to see you, general. you heard the president say he wants a stable, predictable relationship. senator risch writes this in the "washington post." despite repeated statements from the kremlin that it is open to normalization, progress on arms control and cooperation on issues of mutual interest, it has yet to take a single step that would demonstrate any

commitment to these goals. in fact putin thrives on chaos. i think that begs the question, is a stable, predictable relationship with russia even remotely realistic as long as vladimir putin is in charge? >> probably not. this will be a good week for u.s. foreign policy and defense policy. to some extent, all president biden has do is show up at the g7 nato, the european union to gather together our allies and then meet mr. putin with a renewed sense of strength from our own allies. remember, the strategic imperative the united states faces is not russia, it's china. so there's some heavy lifting involved. mr. president biden trying to gain european union cooperation when they want economic relationships with china. when it comes to russia, they are an adversarial state,

hostile state. they are conducting assassinations, jamming our own elections, conducting cyberattacks against economic targets in the united states. they're not going to change unless mr. biden can say there are li limits to what we'll tolerate. to be blunt, the real question dealing with the russians is what was going on with mr. trump brutalizing our allies and embracing these dictators? eventually feel find out. this is a new dawn. a very positive thing to have mr. biden at least speaking to putin in geneva. >> as you know, human rights advocates have warned against this meeting with putin because of his treating of alexei navalny, and now the kremlin made this latest move to label navalny's opposition group as

extremists and terrorists. some say that won't change the president's posture going into the meeting but i guess should it? >> human rights and american values are something that mr. biden will have to put on the table in front of putin. it's quite clear that we will speak up and confront these sort of murderous internal tendencies. putin's biggest threat is to his own people, not to western europe or the united states. essentially the russians with a stagnant economy, with growing opposition at home, with an economy that's basically only built on oil and nuclear weapons, an economy that's smaller than that of italy, putin doesn't have a very strong hand. what he does have is daring and he's a thug. so, again, i'm optimistic that the president and his advisers will be able to set new limits and if they enforce them -- and i think they will -- then things

will be more tolerable in terms of putin's active aggression against the west and the united states in particular. >> i want to ask you about this wave of cyberattacks originating from inside russia also hanging over this meeting. not all are tied to the kremlin obviously, but they operate within russia. at what level do they become an act of war that merits a response not just from the u.s. but from allies? what do you see in terms of a strategic front, an allied front against this? >> well, cyberwarfare is now one of the weapons of mass destruction. it's a new powerful tool to which extent has such a low threshold for an adversary to conduct active operations against the united states. they're doing it, and also against western europe. it is pushing national stuar

security limits. it can result in loss of life, the economic results can be disastrou putin is capable of shutting off these incidents. i'm confident they're done with the blessing or involvement with the gru or other security forces. we certainly have to take action against the russians in retaliation for these attacks. we don't need to brochure it, talk about it in public, we don't need to turn off their metro system in moscow and cause loss of life but we have to take active measures. putin will not stop until he's confronted. we haven't done that in the trump trump administration. >> general barry mccaffrey, it's

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if you could explain more how the president has been preparing for this big trip. >> first, i will say he's been getting ready for 50 years. he's been on the world stage, he's known a number of these leaders for decades including putin and a number of leaders he'll see at nato and the g7.

>> president biden has spent 50 years preparing for his big moment on the world stage. now that the curtain has finally lifted, how will those longstanding international relationships influence the remainder of his trip? joining me again from the uk is andrea mitchell, the host of washington week, and john that lamier of the associated press. i want to play what the white house communications director said to you about biden's upcoming meeting with putin. >> it's going to be a frank and candid discussion. president biden has known president putin for many years, as you know well. he has met with president putin face-to-face before. this will be a candid discussion. he will raise issues of concern. >> these two men have known each other for decades. advisers have stressed the value of biden being able to talk bluntly to the russian president.

the familiarity does it work significantly to biden's advantage as he tries to take a hard line with putin next week? >> he does have advantages. he will be prepared. he most likely won't go one-on-one without notetakers as happened in helsinki where even the former president's advisers, closest advisers did not know what happened in that meeting. u.s. intelligence didn't know. the russians know what happened in that meeting, but donald trump was not one to be taking notes and tracking the ins and outs of putin's strategy. so, that will be different. we don't know how it's going to end. we don't know whether there will be a joint news conference. there's some doubt to that. more like likely it would be president biden briefing the press and vladimir putin doing his briefing separately. there's no question that the kremlin will try to get out front on the spin. they always do. they always have.

and notably in the last four years, during the trump presidency, we would hear from their state media even when, you know, lavrov and the ambassador and the foreign minister were in the oval office, we did not know it at the time until the russians told the world about it. they usually jump the gun on any joint statement release. that said, vladimir putin has a lot of advantages here. there's no moral cord to his foreign policy. he has a way, as we saw him attempt to with kier, about whataboutism. you talk to him about navalny and others and human rights abuses, he'll come back with george floyd and the january 6th attack. joe biden can say we have our flaws, we confront them and deal with them openly and transparency.

vladimir putin says we do that also. which is patently untrue. so he has his own reality. he knows the facts. but he will spin it however he wants to. and i don't see a value in having a joint news conference where president biden is going to have to spend a lot of time even in their one-on-one meetings or bilateral with other advisers defending america against putin's attacks rather than responding to objective criticism of putin's leadership. >> yeah. so, andrea brought up helsinki, jonathan. you were there in 2018, the trump/putin summit and made headlines with this question to president trump. >> president putin denied having anything to do with the election interference in 2016. every u.s. intelligence agency concluded that russia did. my first question is who do you believe? >> i have president putin, he

just said it's not russia. i will say this, i don't see any reason why it would be. i do want to see the server, but i have -- i have confidence in both parties. >> jonathan, clearly you had a front-row seat to the former president and putin's differential relationship. describe the differences you see in how biden will approach vladimir putin. jonathan? did we lose jonathan? yeah. give me your sense of that. >> what you saw there was really something that was so striking. it was former president trump taking the side of a russian president who was our adversary, who was meddling in our

elections, and meddling is a nice way to put it. he was trying to influence our american democracy, you saw president trump continue to take his side. and even in the statement he's telling president biden just a few days ago to give vladimir putin his regard. so there is still this love fest going on between the russian president and the former president trump. what you see is president biden and the white house trying to do the exact opposite of that. that's why you hear white house officials likely hinting there won't be this joint press conference because they don't want to have comparisons with what president trump did based on -- and what president biden hopes to do. he wants to take a firm hand here and really say we are not president trump and america is going to be strong and firm and defend itself against hulen rights human rights abuses and these ransomware attacks. >> yamiche, andrea and jonathan

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president joe biden is lucky number 13. the 13th president who queen elizabeth has met over her

69-year rein. friday night the president and other g7 members met the queen for a reception. as a senator he did meet the queen back in 1982. joining me now, nbc news royal commentator, daisy mcandrew. queen elizabeth decided to travel to the g7 to be a part of this meeting. why is this so significant and what are you hearing about how things went last night? >> i think things went really well yesterday. since the queen lost her husband, prince phillip, she has been keeping a low profile, she hasn't been doing a lot of public engagements. this was the big coming out if you'd like after that period of mourning. it wasn't just the queen who traveled to cornwall on the train, it was her son, prince charles it was camilla, it was william and kate. it was all the future monarchs

as well, which was a real show of how important the royal family and the british government view this g7. it was a real charm offensive. and the queen was on particularly charming performance, this wonderful occasion yesterday when they had the family photo of the g7 leaders with the queen in the middle. you could hear, if you listen carefully, while they were all waiting around for the photographers to finish, you could hear the queen saying are you meant to look if you're enjoying this? very much typical ice breaker that she so often does and all the other leaders, president biden, trudeau, macron, merkel, they were all chuckling away. boris johnson, the british prime minister, said we are enjoying ourselves. you saw the queen at her best. to me, it looked like she's missed this sort of occasion, doing what she does so well. she looked really genuinely

delighted to be back in the saddle. >> i think a lot -- for a lot of americans their view of the queen had been largely as ceremonial. and then the show "the crown" comes out and they look at the meetings she has all the time with the prime ministers. just in terms of the real politics of it and the influence of it, what do you see as the queen's role here? >> i think the queen's role is increasingly important, which is sort of ironic if you think maybe 20, 30 years ago, a lot of people were saying the royal family is getting less and less significant. in fact, i think particularly in a post-brexit britain, the royal family and what they can do in terms ofdiplomacy, which is really a charm offensive, what they do with more and more leaders is more important. particularly as she hands over some of those roles as prince charles. prince charles is not as popular

as the queen is. she sees one of her last duties is boosting his popularity by mere association. she holds these meetings with 13 american presidents. i think she must be the only person alive on this planet that can claim to have met 13 american presidents. there are some royal watchers who say, well, it's 12 because she met one when she was a princess, not a queen. she met another, truman, i think it was, before he was president. i say it's 13. let's not be ridiculous about this. as a human being, she met 13 men who either were or became president. as you said, she actually met president biden back in the '80s. if you think about the longevity of the queen, she met justin trudeau when he was a little boy when his father was canadian prime minister. she remembers vividly meeting

him and he remembers vividly meeting her when they were a little boy. there are photographs of her with pierre trudeau from 1997. that underlines, she's seen it, she's done it, she has the t-shirt, she knows more about diplomacy, about geopolitics than all of those leaders put together. >> presumably that t-shirt is tucked away somewhere in buckingham palace. you will come back next hour. daisy mcandrew, we'll see you shortly. joe on the go. president biden's schedule for day two of g7's summit is as busy as you might imagine. we'll preview his agenda next. this is msnbc reports.

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the g7 summit is all about forming strong bonds on the world stage. right now president biden is fosters a few new budding relationships as president. a bromance perhaps with french

president emanuel macron and canadian prime minister justin trudeau. joining me now is mike memoli. you have been following president biden's career for a decade decade. now we can all agree this horrible era of zoom summits is over, what is your take on his first in-person g7? >> you know i spent a lot of time with president biden on the campaign trail. it was just about a year ago at this time that the president then candidate biden began getting back out on the road after those covid lockdowns, but it was so different. he talked about how he lacked that personal connection with voters to get a sense of what was on their minds. it was harder for him. the same applies in the foreign

relations context. i remember ten years ago when he met with chinese vice president xi jinping at the time. he said given how complex the u.s./china relationship was, it was important for him to develop that personal relationship with president xi to make sure there were no hiccups, no misunderstandings going forward in this relationship. it's been very clear to me as we've seen the president, i was part of the press pool a couple days ago, how much of a difference it is for this president to have those in-person meetings again and for the cases of some of these leaders who he has not known quite as well, including boris johnson who he had not met before in the capacity as a foreign leader, this was critical. he was critical himself of boris johnson before he met him. he called him a clone of president trump. having this opportunity to sit down face-to-face was important for them to jump start that new

relationship. as he often does in his interactions with foreign leaders, he tries to find a way to build that relationship through the personal. he talked about how in the case of prime minister johnson, he said both of us married above our station. of course prime johnson just getting married a few months ago. it seems based on how prime minister johnson reacted that that relationship is off to a good start. >> we have that almost iconic image of world leaders talking about president trump at the 2019 nato summit, very different than what we're seeing. but in our final 30 seconds, i'm sorry it's so short, what is your perception of how they're reacting to president biden versus how they reacted to former president trump? >> yeah. it's very clear they're happy to see president biden here. but even as biden has been repeating over and over america is back, you understand the question they're asking him behind closed doors, which is for how long? there's a big question about whether trump himself or a

trump-like figure will follow up after president biden's time in office. that's where these personal relationships help, too. it's not just in a complex relationship like china or russia where there are areas of disagreement but where there are areas of agreement. where he can offer his personal bond, personal word here, personal reassurances that he's doing everything he can to ensure that's not the case. >> mike memoli, good to see you. don't go away. our special coverage continues next. tinues next ue. plans for the long term, and plans for a long weekend. assets you allocate, and ones you hold tight. at thrivent, we believe money is a tool, not a goal. and with the right guidance, you can get the financial clarity you need, and live a life rich in meaning, and gratitude. to learn more, text thrive to 444555, or visit thrivent.com.

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