couple hundred or so are being investigated. predominantly men age 30 and under. thank you. we'll see you again. a good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters. the president and the first lady are expected to soon wrap up their sitdown for tea with queen elizabeth at windsor castle. it's supposed to wrap up in the next five or ten minutes. they met in the gorgeous courtyard for presentation, pomp and pageantry abounding before that tea. that started about 45 minutes ago. i have another panel of experts this hour. joining me, nbc news foreign correspondent david, and royal contributor and british historian andrew roberts and we

welcome jillian tet, editor-at-large for the financial times and author of the book "anthro-vision." a welcome to all of you again. sarah, at what point will we have an idea of what was said behind closed doors at the meeting? i know we're never going to get a transcript but at some point might there be an indication of what went on? >> alex, what i think you're probably going to get is a still praf showing that meeting took place. anything else at this point is going to be speculation. that's one of the nice things about the privilege of a meeting with the queen. what happens behind these closed doors tends to stay behind the closed doors. we know they'll probably talk about trans-atlantic relations. they have lots in common, including the topic of grief. joe biden has lost a lot in his life. the queen lost her husband in april. she has a new american relative in the family, her great

granddaughter lilibet was born in the u.s. biden is a family man. a lot of presidential advisers are going to be breathing a huge sigh of relief because on top of being an honor, this is also a closely choreographed ceremony. there's a lot of eyeballs on biden to make sure he doesn't slip up. what we saw in the last hour was perfectly executed. he didn't put a foot wrong. that for everyone is going to be a big sigh of relief in the white house but also here at windsor castle. >> you know, matt, on the heels of really some substantive talks that went on regarding the g-7 meeting, it's okay to have a bit of a lighter moment, right, of a formal tea time between the queen and the bidens without a transcript and a readout and the implications of global relations and global things they want to accomplish together.

it's a good transition between g-7 and what's happening in nato? >> look, alex, you know, the queen, maybe she's not the stickler that everybody says she is. the fact of the matter is, michelle obama violated royal protocol, donald trump violated royal protocol with strange hugging of the queen or stepping in front like donald trump. there were no diplomatic consequences, no real problems that came from that. this doesn't cause a rift across the atlantic. so, i don't think as we're looking at joe biden and his wife, jill, waiting for them to make some sort of grievous error, even if they did, really, what is going to happen? i think that this is really about symbolism. in is about meeting of the minds. this is about the purest form of diplomacy. in that sense i mean diplomacy almost without politics. it's about affinity. it's about meeting of county tours and a meeting of history. and that is -- and the history here, you know, we keep talking about how the queen is such a singular figure in history and

so important for president biden to meet. well, you know, president biden himself is a formidable figure in history. we should mention, this isn't the first time he's met the queen. he met the queen way welcome back nearly 40 years ago in 1942 when he was still a very young senator from delaware. so, this is actually a second meeting, or probably, you know, a number of meetings in between. and the fact is is that both of these people have seen quite a lot of history. i bet there's going to to be a lot of stories, a lot of reminiscing. a lot of sharing of really a huge part of the whole 20th century. >> you know, daisy, matt makes a good point. the fact that this is the second meeting of this type. again, they were reacquainted friday night at that dinner at the g-7 at cornwall. they have met and it does make it a little different. talk about the significance of that. again, 40 years ago, 1982

meeting, but this queen seems to have the old phrase, the memory of an elephant, so you think she might recollect that. >> it's 13 out of 14. matt was also right about the etiquette. people around the royals and people around the politicians who they meet get very, very upset about a foot being put wrong. actually, the royal family tend to think it's quite funny when something goes wrong. it shows everyone else they're human, when they don't get upset about these things. and you're right that they have a lot in common. if you think about it, there isn't practically anyone on the planet who knows as much about geopolitics, who's been studying it for so long. and then the personal ties. we know for instance, jill biden

is a good friend of prince harry's. that gives them something to talk about. she's worked and taken part and been a viewer at the invictus games, the games harry set up. in fact, joe biden, president biden has said in the past he got quite jealous that jill biden was spending so much time with harry. and i'm sure the baby will come up. you never know. maybe that chat will be useful. >> could be, indeed, as we watch the president and first lady. they have clearly left tea with the queen. they're running pretty much right on time and going to marine one and taking off from there shortly as they're speaking with members of the queen's protection union, the queen's military, the queen's guard. how much of a diplomatic asset overall do you think this queen is. not just the pomp and circumstance, the pageantry, but diplomacywise?

>> she's a huge asset. her sheer love gefty as head of state is -- the queen knew jfk and could today have been talking about him. we don't need a communique from this. it's going to be at least 100 years before the queen's diaries are published and we find out what was said. that's unimportant. daisy is so right. sometimes when things go slightly wrong, the royal family love it. there was an occasion in 1977 when president carter kissed the queen mother on the lips when she said hadn't happened since her husband died. she said she took a step back but not far enough. >> i don't know if you heard me audibly gasp. i'm not sure how i missed that. my goodness, how to see that. >> the royal family talked about it for years afterwards, as you can imagine, but in a humorous way. >> i'm laughing as well.

i'm going to actually subdue my laughter and ask jillian about this, as we watch this play out today. what do you think the message is to americans and what it says about the biden administration and it being welcomed on the global stage? >> here's the point. my book basically explains about what we need to know about being human and rituals and ceremony and symbols matter, especially in a digital age. you step back and think about what kind of message is being broadcast with these symbols, it's that we have a calm, positive set of images about the trans-atlantic relationship after a difficult year. most of the u.s. thinks the uk is "the crown" meets "downton

abbey." rally liberal democracies against the likes of china, this couldn't be a better way for the royal family to end with. >> we've looked at the video, we've seen our live feed end at the moment as we know marine one is taking off. as i look at the schedule here, the president and first lady -- well, the first lady is going to be meeting with some united kingdom veterans coming up shortly and she'll be taking off back for home as the president continues on to nato. let me ask all of you to stand by and see if we get any more specific details to discuss about this really historic and wonderful meeting of queen elizabeth and the president having tea there at windsor castle. thank you for that. of course, for all of you, it sn historic weekend in the uk as the g-7 summit is coming to a close. you have the group of world leaders adopting president biden's build back better

mantra. it's called b3w, build back better. on the items, the agreement to create 1 million covid vaccines and economic recovery from the pandemic and creating fair global trade, and cutting emissions globally, disrupting ransomware networks and learning more about the origins of covid and taking action against forced labor and human rights abuses in china. a bit earlier today, president biden reflected on a successful weekend and reiterated something he's been saying all weekend -- america is back. >> the lack of participation in the past and full engagement was noticed significantly. not only by the leaders of those countries but by the people in the g-7 countries. and america is back in the business of leading the world alongside nations who share our

most deeply held values. >> mike memoli is joining us. you would put the g-7 in the win column, would you agree with that? >> reporter: it sounds like he thinks so. i've covered a dozen of these multinational summits over three different presidents. usually at the end of them, they put out a communique, a statement about all the things they agreed on. often it's diplomatic speak amounting to not much substance. as president biden was approaching the summit, he and his advisers were saying how important it was they felt to really come out with some tangible accomplishments. things ordinary americans would understand. so, they -- as they sum up this summit, they feel like they've done a pretty good job of that. if you look at issues like the pandemic, that commitment of 1 billion vaccines to be shared with the poor and developing world. if you talk about the economy with the global minimum tax of 15% they agreed on principle on.

on issues like china just having china in the communique itself is significant. that hasn't happened before. it's a measure of what the white house wanted in terms of getting tougher and what is obviously a very adversarial relationship. here's the president earlier summing up in his view what were some of the highlights. >> we had a president last who basically said, it's not a problem, global warming. it's the existential problem facing humanity. i convey to each of my g-7 counterparts that the united states is going to do its part. america is back at the table. i noticed there was a lot of coverage of my individual comments made by my colleagues about how we were all getting along together, but the truth of the matter is, we did. i felt genuine sense of enthusiasm. that america was back at the table. and fully, fully engaged.

and now i'm going to be heading off to brussels, to nato, and the same -- many of the same people are going to be at that table. in nato. and we make the case as well. bottom line is, i think we made some progress of re-establishing american credibility among our closest friends and our values. >> reporter: one important purpose of that g-7 summit was to try to build some momentum into the succeeding summits and that face-to-face meeting he'll have with vladimir putin at the end of it in geneva. the white house said, of course, the president has been briefed by his team of advisers about preparations for that, and also every conversation and he had a number of one-on-one conversations with g-7 leaders. also about picking up some of thir perspectives he hopes to bring into geneva and that face-to-face sitdown with president putin. >> let me ask you about what the white house is saying overall, the expectations about this big

meeting with putin on wednesday. what are the expectations. how positive is the tenor of what they expect to get from it? >> reporter: well, you heard the president at his news conference speaking with peter alexander. this is not sort of a press conference -- a battle of press conferences as we know the white house has not agreed to do what president trump did do, a joint news conference. it's going to be the president by himself. but there are some really important objectives. especially as it relates to whether the president can move president putin on those deep areas of disagreement. tony blinken has been one of the longest serving advisers to president biden, and he spoke with andrea mitchell about this earlier today. let's take a listen to that. >> if russia is going to continue to take reckless or aggressive actions against us or any of our partners or allies, we'll respond forcefully as the president has already demonstrated with the response to the solar wind cyber attack, with response to their

interference in our elections, with regard to the attempt to murder mr. navalny with a chemical weapon. i don't think we'll get a clear and definitive answer from one meeting, but it's the start of testing the proposition of whether russia also seeks a more stable, predictable relationship or not. >> reporter: so, there you hear secretary blinken saying he doesn't think we'll get a definitive answer out of this meeting. we heard jake sullivan before he left washington to travel with the president saying, there would be no deliverables from this summit and even president biden acknowledged to peter alexander, he's not sure the president of russia will agree to move on some of these issues. they really do think it's an important opportunity to sit down, have that face-to-face interaction. joe biden believes all politics is personal, including on a foreign policy basis. he's clearly looking forward to that opportunity to lay out the stakes to the russian president. >> thank you so much from brussels. once again, i'm joined with my panel, sarah harman, matt

bradley, and i'm going to ask a couple of specific questions to a couple of you. jillian, overall, how would you rate the president's performance at the g-7 summit? i'm curious what stood out to you the most. >> i think it's been remarkably good. both in terms of the substance, that they've come away with quite a number of pledges. they're not going to be enough to please everyone, but you have come out with unusually concrete actions, whether it's on the climate change or the vaccine or the common front in facing china. you know, this is quite remarkable by the standards of other g-7s. admittedly quite low standards in the past. but to me the really interesting thing, which is something i wrote about in a column friday in the financial times is the shift in the overarching ideological intellectual framing. just before the summit started, the british government, the right wing british government put out a memo entitled the cornwall defenses, which is just

another artifact, but it basically calls for a much more inclusive, resilient, much more people-centered, friendly set of policies. what's strike willing is it lib really sets itself up against the so-called washington consensus that you had years ago which is all about free markets and globalization and economic growth and things like that. so, the overarching tone and messaging through the much image that's come out is quite striking. that's one of the biggest wins from this weekend. there are still plenty of problems out there, not the least about the fight from the uk and the rest of the european union, about brexit and northern ireland, but the overarching tone has been surprisingly positive. >> interesting. very interesting. in fact, i'm curious, matt, to you, can you give me a sense of the palpable difference, how great that must have been between this president and the last at the g-7 summit? that message of america is back. how much do you think that was

felt by the other world leaders? >> well, you know, here's the thing. you can say america is back until you're blue in the face and you can assure and make promises as much as you want, but at the end of the day, all of these leaders from the g-7, they have a long enough memory to remember half a year ago when donald trump was in power. they remember that the american voter is fickle and that the american voter could vote in another person, trump himself, or another trump-like character who has the same skepticism. you could even call it contempt for the international nations they're running. nato, the g-7, the paris accord, all of these things he said he's signing onto again. i think these foreign leaders definitely believe that joe biden is earnest. he's been around for a long time. he's participated in these international institutions. he's championshiped them. but at the end of the day, they know that the american public could vote this -- another

person back in who has a similar outlook as donald trump. it's really not that far in the rearview mirror that donald trump left office, that he -- again, with that insurrection at the capitol. a lot of that will be sticking in the minds of these leaders. a lot of these leaders themselves have their own homegrown populist right wing movements like donald trump in the united states, and that's something they see themselves, a threat breathing down their neck, a threat to their own rule of order and democracy in the same way that a lot of people in america had seen trumpism. so, they are also threatened by that and they don't take it lightly. and so while they are, as we've said, many, many times breathing a sigh of relief, that relief only goes so far. >> i want to thank you all for joining me.

i should let those of you joining us for your royals coverage, you're probably well aware, president and first lady has left. in fact, i think the first lady is hitching a ride on board marine one to heathrow. thank you. i appreciate all your time and insights and expertise. in a moment, how much trust do americans have in president biden in dealing with world powers? we'll talk about that next. msnbc's mehdi hasan will join us to talk about trump supporters who think he's returning to the office soon. s returning to the office soon or is that the damp weight of self-awareness you now hold in your hands? yeah (laugh) keep your downstairs dry with gold bond body powder. obsession has many names. this is ours. the lexus is. all in on the sport sedan.

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now for a look at today's other headlines, polling shows how his first foreign trip is

perceived at home. 52% trust the president to negotiate with world leaders and 49% trust biden to negotiate with putin. bombshell reporting that the justice department the secretly seized data from lawmakers and their family as part of a leaks probe. bill barr and jeff sessions are denying knowledge of those secret subpoenas. house speaker nancy pelosi reacting to those reports saying, if they don't know anything, who does? >> how could it be that there could be an investigation of -- members in the other branch of government, and the attorneys general did not know? so, who are these people? are they still in the justice department? >> pelosi also seemingly drawing a line in the sand when it comes to a partisan commission

investigating the january 6th attack on capitol hill saying what happens in the senate tomorrow could determine whether or not she appoints a select committee. >> we could go -- i was asked to give it another week, so i'll see by monday in the senate believes they could -- those who are working a bipartisan way can get three more votes. >> assuming the commission doesn't pass, are you saying by monday, which is tomorrow, you'll announce a select committee? >> no, i'm not going to announce anything tomorrow. i'll see their response and review -- >> it sounds like you're getting closer to it. >> it's an option. >> i want to give you a quick look at a live picture of marine one. you see the president and first lady there, just about to disembark. they're at heathrow airport. we expect the first lady will break away from this first foreign official trip as president and first lady. she'll be heading back to the united states. of course, we know president

biden has a very busy agenda as he starts with nato meetings tomorrow, monday, which he has prepared dutifully and extensively, according to his aides and he moves to his first meeting with putin. so, we know there was a review by the first lady of some members of the uk veterans group, and clearly the first lady is seeing someone she knows well, i do believe. as we watch this. these may be some of the veterans, actually. what a charming hello certainly given by one of them. wish we were able to tell who these people are. and audio so we could listen. maybe we can.

there's going to be a lot of conflicting noise with marine one and the engines. we know the first lady will take off from here and head home as the president then moves on to brussels. let me bring in malcolm nance, if i can. malcolm is going to be joining us in a little bit to talk about some other things. malcolm, as we look at these two, and just sort of speaking there on the tarmac at heathrow with what i believe to be british veterans there, talk to me about what the president has, what lies ahead for him with nato and the significance of this trip and his need to shore up united states relationships in the wake of president trump really having decimated them to some degree by his actions and his america first policy. malcolm nance, are you there? >> i'm sorry. i can hear you now.

can you repeat the question? >> very briefly i will do so. i'm curious about all the buildup, what you think lies ahead for president biden and the significance he has, the task of shoring up relations between the united states and nato in the wake of donald trump having really decimated them to some degree with his america first policy. >> you know, it is really going to be a big task for president bide -- one of your guests made the point, europeans are worried about the united states falling right back into trumpism, this aauthoritarianism. his task is to go out and restore confidence in the 75-year nato alliance. and i think it will be very easy for the europeans to listen to him, to buy into him, but in the back of their minds, they're going to be wondering whether the united states is still going to be able to commit to this in a few years from now. >> we've got the president

saying repeatedly now america is back. you have the phrase he used during his political campaign for his presidency when he said build back better, b3w, built back better, and then the world. and so there is definitely deference paid to joe biden and the accomplishments to get to the presidency and what his outlook is for his four years, but there have got to be a few skeptics among nato who feel somewhat burned by the trump administration's policies and that are wondering which is the anomaly. is it the four years of trump or is it what we have that lies ahead in these four years of joe biden. >> the trump administration was an anomaly. we had seen since the beginning of global, you know, multilateralism of the united states, which started on june 6, 1944, when we landed on normandy for d-day and extended all the way out right to 2016.

and trump took a sledgehammer to that. everyone knows that. our allies are aware of that. but i think we are on this path. i think biden's build back better the world is the sort of overarching foreign policy message that the world has been waiting for. unilateralism, encroaching authoritarianism, working in a world where vladimir putin and xi jinping are the two capitalists in the world and being led by an incompetent leader. i think the world is ready for that and they'll back us up and back biden as long as they possibly can. it's really internally for the united states to get our acts together so the world will have more confidence in us. >> look, the world may be ready for it, malcolm, but you mentioned vladimir putin. among the things that you talked about that you say president biden, some of his goals, they

would not sync up of how we view vladimir putin and his behavior. talk about the challenge ahead for president biden when he goes to that all-important meeting, that summit in geneva on wednesday. >> you know, i like to think joe biden is going to go in there and he's going to recalibrate vladimir putin and vladimir putin is going to start complying. that's not going to happen. what is going to happen is that biden -- you know, i really think it's been brilliant that biden went out in an old school way, met all of our allies first, got agreement from everybody. he now has a coalition that he can go into a meeting with putin and say, well, you know how you went around and started doing chemical weapons attacks and murdering citizens of other countries, using poison and kidnapping people off airplane flights, that's going to cost you from now on. if you think you're going to put donald trump back in office because putin did endorse trump just a few days ago, that's never going to happen again. but as long as joe biden is in

office, the system that was put in place in the 1940s to stand up against the previous russian government, the soviet union, can always be brought back to bear. the one thing the russians cannot stand is the very fact they are not a rich country. they are run we an oligarchy that has a lot of money, but they are a very poor country. sanctions, we really don't want them to impact the individual russian. we want to go after the rich oligarch. that's one thing the united states is very good at. going after their wallet. >> interesting. we have seen an official photo taken of the first lady and the president with that group of veterans. malcolm, i know i'm going to have you talk about that which is being investigated with the department of justice in just a little bit. it is sort of fun to watch the interactions amongst the

leaders. i'm going to ask our director. let's take this picture and put it down in the corner so we can keep an eye on what's going on. we know the first lady will be leaving. i would like to bring in amanda golden. on the heels of whatmanda, there is certainly growing desire for more information from both parties on where things are heading with regard to republicans. let's talk about that first and how they're responding to this doj investigation. >> that's exactly right, alex. we are seeing this growing interest for more information from both sides around these new reports and all the revelations that we're seeing in light of them. in light of the doj inspector general, the independent watch dog, saying they're going to open this broad investigation. we did hear from top senate democrats saying they're going to threaten to subpoena bill barr and jeff sessions to speak to what these investigations were, testify under oath before congress. when asked about the next steps,

at least one republican congressman is indicating where things could go as far as whether they should testify under oath or not. take a listen to what republican congressman michael mccaul said on one of the sunday shows. >> would you encourage bill barr and jeff sessions to testify under oath? >> you know, i think we should have the benefit of the doubt of the decision-making that took place. whether it has to be under oath or what context that is, i think we need to know why this decision was made and i think the ig, that's within the proper purview of the ig. >> reporter: while there is some distancing continuing to happen from the former attorneys general around these reports, there is now new enlightening details coming from apple around the request for information they received. i want to walk you through some of the specifics of that. they say the department of justice under former president trump asked apple to turn over communication metadata for 73 phone numbers and 36 email addresses.

while apple says it would have normally informed customers of this kind of request, they said that a nondisclosure order prohibited them in this case. there was this new on the record statement from apple spokesperson pertaining to this saying we regularly challenge warrants, subpoenas and nondisclosure orders but have made it our policy to let customers know as soon as possible. in this case the subpoena issued by federal grand jury and included a nondisclosure order signed by magistrate judge and would have been -- >> to be with mr. putin as he wanted to know about xi jinping, and we had a long talk. she was generous. very -- i don't think she would be insulted, but she reminded me of my mother in terms of the look of her and just the

generosity. and i said, you know, ma'am this is -- you know, it's a long time. she said, oh, no, i wish we could stay longer. maybe we could hold the cars up. she was very gracious. >> what is the castle like? americans never go there. >> by the way, she said -- i said, this is -- we could fit the white house in the courtyard. she said, what's it like in the white house? i said, well, it's magnificent but a lot of people. she said, i know, here, she said on this end it's private. the public can go on the other end. so, anyway, she was very gracious. >> did you invite her to the white house? >> yes. >> thank you. >> thanks, guys. appreciate it very much. are you going on -- >> we're coming with you. >> oh, good. great. >> come say hi. >> well, that may just about all we're going to get on an official level, although it was certainly probably off the

record. although it was anything off the record when you say it in front of reporters. the president saying he spoke with the queen and she reminded him of her mother and he said he's invited her to the courthouse. we know she's been staying mostly in windsor castle for quite some time due to covid and resting in the wake of her beloved husband's death in april. the president will be aboard air force one and heading off to brussels and subsequently geneva, of course. let me bring you back in, malcolm nance. i want to get to something we were talking about with amanda golden which is this department of justice investigation. tell me, who can be spoken to about this? there's discussions about potentially bringing in these former attorneys general bill barr and also jeff sessions to talk about this under oath, they would have to be if they were

speaking to a judiciary committee. beyond that, do you believe there's an investigation that has to extend into underlings. there could be people in the doj loyal to trump because those two attorneys general have claimed thus far they know nothing about any investigations or subpoenaing of records. >> look, this is trump administration in which lying was a full-time job. it was actually a requirement on your job application. they had people in that white house and parts of the administration who the fbi deemed as unclearable. they could not get security clearances because of their background and were given clearances anyway. so, for -- to listen to bill barr and others say they had no clue, the attorney general of the united states had no clue as to what was going on in terms of getting secret subpoenas which would take the records of congressmen on the house intelligence committee is

absolutely fantastic. there has to be an investigation. it may not be there were trump loyalists inside the justice department. there may be junior lawyers who thought they were operating under orders of the attorney general who may have been brought into political matinations and just did their job, putting them on gag orders, which were renewed multiple times, not one time. so there has to be an investigation. the justice department now has to turn itself inwards and make sure there is not a suborganization within justice that was doing trump's bidding in an illegal manner. >> the fact we're having speculative conversations here about what's going on in the doj must mean there is an investigation to put all the speculation to an end so we know exactly what happened. malcolm nance, i appreciates you being with me. >> good to see you. >> thank you. britain's prime minister

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most deeply held values. >> joining me now is msnbc political analyst mehdi hasan, host of the mehdi hasan show on msnbc and also on nbc universal streaming service peacock. we're going to dig deep into 2018 and look at this picture from the g-7 summit with the leaders standing around donald trump leaning in. you see angela merkel and the president sitting defensively with his arms crossed. as you watched president biden take part in this year's event -- take a look at that -- did you notice a stark contrast? de walk his talk when he says america is back? >> i mean, you see macron in those images when he was asked, is america back, is biden right when he says that, he says, definitely. he didn't take trump's name, but that's what he was referring to. even boris johnson, who was a greatally of trump in a way

macron, perhaps, wasn't, calling biden a breath of fresh air and that will hurt trump more than anything macron said and that image of all the leaders around him. donald trump was a nightmare on the international stage. he was an embarrassment of being the, quote/unquote, leader of the free world, going to these events not prepared, not knowing anything about these countries or leaders. let's be honest, we could call an uber now and whoever turned up at my house, if we sent him or her to the g-7 summit, the rest of the world would say, wow, what a breath of fresh air, definitely america is back. so, the bar was pretty low given donald j. trump was the last president. having said that, joe biden is doing a substantive job as well. let's not forget at the g-7 summit they have pledged a billion doses of the vaccine to the rest of the world. they have agreed to a 15% global minimum tax, which some in europe were resistant to, net zero carbon emissions by 2050.

too late in my view, but -- >> brutal analogy. i'm glad the camera wasn't on me when you talked about uber. do compare the importance of optics. first, it's the substance when it comes to erasing the last four years. granted, everything is important. it does begin with optics, with a sense of comfort and camaraderie between these leaders? >> yes. and joe biden has been on the scene for a long time. let's not forget, he's been around in politics for more than 40 years. chair of the senate foreign relations committee. he ran on a politic form of i know more about the world than the other candidates. i know more about foreign policy. now it's questionable. some of his foreign policy, as we discussed before, were far from great, it was actually awful. they know him and there's that sense of trust. if you look at the polling, there's a poll out today that shows majority of americans have faith in joe biden to negotiate on behalf of america. less than half of americans said

the same thing at this point in donald trump's presidency. there's a pew poll out of 12 countries which show 3 out of 4 people in those countries say they have faith on joe biden to do the right thing on an international level. 17% said the same thing about donald trump last year. there's no doubt that here is biden, knows his people, familiar with his people. even meeting the queen today. he's met the queen before in 1982 as a senator from delaware, as a young senator from delaware. even when it comes to meeting the queen, joe biden's been there, done that. >> good point. so, let's take a listen to some of the remarks that british prime minister boris johnson made yesterday. he tried to dodge the question when he was asked to compare president biden with his predecessor. the sky news reporter would not relent. take a listen. >> it's absolutely true that with president biden, with joe biden, you sort of feel that he wants to -- he's a great believer in the trans-atlantic

alliance in the special relationship. >> he also famously referred to you as a physical and emotional clone of president trump. i wonder how you responded to that and whether the relationship is in a better place now. >> the relationship is in extremely good order. i want you to know the relationship is extremely good. it's getting better all the time. >> was it fair to call you a clone? >> look, i'm not going to -- >> well, there you go. your reaction to this? does it surprise you, the admission by boris johnson at all? >> look, it's classic boris johnson. he's the master of deflection and evasion. it's a good got ya question from the reporter, too. i would have asked it as well. biden did say that in 2019 that boris is an emotional clone of donald trump. boris is emotionally, physically, intellectually, ideologically closer to donald trump than joe biden. that's undenial. boris went out of his way to get close to donald trump. he met steve bannon, and brexit

pushed for with the election of donald trump. the uk/u.s. alliance transcends leaders. that's a reality. i'm old enough to remember when some of us thought, how are tony blair and george w. bush going to get along because blair and clinton were pals and similar in their outlooks and, perhaps, blair and bush invaded iraq together, sadly. i think there are these personal differences but certainly reliances are so strong they will transcend those differences. boris johnson is a master mover with power. like benjamin netanyahu, he was one of the leaders who early on congratulated biden, didn't indulge in trump's election, and he knows what he has to do to get ahead. boris johnson doesn't stick to principles. he sticks boris johnson's own personal agenda. >> we have a fabulous flash back to 1998. you know where we're going.

the dutch documentary crew filmed an oxford union debate in which you debated against boris borison boris johnson. >> just because he's a very good speaker, and he does a little laugh, it doesn't make what he says right. nobody seems to notice tony blair promised their tax wouldn't go up under his government and yet taxes are rising -- will rise under this parliament share of national income from 34.5% to 37.6%. >> what goes through your mind when you see that now? >> what goes through my mind is two things. number one, boris johnson has not aged and i have. and i was 19 at the time and he was in his 30s. >> he's got the same hair, that's for sure. >> number two -- he's got the same hair. number two, i would say, a few people point out, maybe i was ahead of my time in my political analysis at as 19-year-old, the line that made us all laugh, he

says nothing of substance doesn't mean he's right. that's been boris johnson. very trumpian. when it comes to substance, not so much there often. >> we can't say you've got a ton of it, my friend, mehdi hasan, much for joining us today, and for all of you, you can join him weeknights at 7:00 p.m. on peacock. another frightening episode on a flight, you're not going to believe who took over the p.a. system midflight this time. we'll talk about it. lk about it.

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atlanta-bound delta flight to land early. you see people piling on top of this man, this is from friday, not thursday. but this is the one where the pilot said, male passengers, i need your help to get this under control. and all of these flights having been diverted due to disruptive passengers. sarah nelson joins me, that's the question, what is going on in the skies? why all this consternation, anger, frightening behavior in some cases? >> well, we are up to 60 times the number of unruly passenger events we would normally see in a typical year. as i tweeted about this the

other day, a flight attendant said, flight attendants are not okay. be kind. we talk about the fact all the time that our airplanes are a microcosm of society, and people have been led to believe they're a divided nation, over whether the pandemic was real, whether it's important to be wearing masks. a lot of confrontations will start over the mask policy, because people believe it's a political decision rather than a public health necessity. so we've got to have one standard of safety. everyone has to understand the rules for us to be able to travel together. everyone really has to follow the rules. but alex, i really think we

should talk about what is going on in the country overall. this is really a microcosm of the inequities that people are feeling right now in the pandemic. >> and we can have that conversation. but i'm thinking about you, the flight attendants who work so hard to make flights safe, comfortable, try to help with any amenities to make a long-distance flight better. are people in your line of the industry concerned and even afraid sometimes? when you see this uptick, some of these things, had they not be controlled, could get disastrously out of hand. >> yeah. you know, little problems can become big problems in the air really fast. you just hit a nerve there, because i just received an email from a flight attendant last night, that goes with that. and they're scared to come to work in this environment.

it's not what we're used to. we're used to welcoming people onboard. everyone has to do things that are uncomfortable, you can't bring your gun or knife in to our workplace. you have to keep your seat belt on, your seat up, tray table up. you have to follow these rules, but in this space, we'll sometimes celebrate birthdays, weddings, the whole plane gets into it. i've seen situations where we have a six-hour delay, and we all start to feel like we're in this incredible struggle together. in the end, everyone is clapping and handing each other bags, exchanging numbers and wanting to stay in touch. there are extraordinary things that can happen on the airplane when we understand we do this together. but we had 600,000 deaths in the

country, long haul covid, incredible inequities. people saying, just go back to work. people are really angry with these conditions, and everyone is at a 10. so we have to just try to calm it down, we have to pass the american jobs plan, to make sure that people have good jobs and have a way to take care of their families and feel like this country is taking care of them, and we're all in this together. that's what we're seeing on our planes. it's not enough to just have a $35,000 fine and jail time, that's not enough to say we're going to stop serving alcohol, but that's been a great unifier. we really have to address the things that are real problems in this country, and get to the place of solidarity, where

people leave that flight feeling like they're more connected than they were when stepping onboard. >> how many people have made friends with someone you sat next to each other. sarah, thank you so much for your passion, and the sensitivity to the situation. let's hope things get better from here. see you again soon. thank you. >> thank you. up next, president biden and the first lady's visit with the queen. the president talks about that historic meeting, and we'll share it with you next. h you net aspercreme with max-strength* lidocaine. works fast and lasts. keep it. you're gonna need it. kick pain in the aspercreme ♪ it's grilled cheese time. ♪ ♪ yeah, it's time for grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ after we make grilled cheese, ♪ ♪ then we're eating grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ because it's time. ♪ ♪ yeah. ♪ ♪ time for grilled cheese. ♪

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