president's reaction. speaking of the president, he arrived in brussels a short time ago. you saw it live right here. the g-7 behind him and a much-anticipated meeting with vladimir putin ahead of him. the president making it clear he's going into that meeting with eyes wide open. >> there's no guarantee you can change a person's behavior or the behavior of his country. autocrats have enormous power and don't have to answer to a public. the fact is that it may very well be if i respond in kind, which i will, that it doesn't dissuade him, he wants to keep going. >> that message echoed in by secretary of state antony blink enwith andrea mitchell. >> putin told keir simmons that the u.s./russia relationship is the worst it's ever been.

who's responsible for that? >> that's the one thing i'd be in agreement with, with president putin. that's probably an accurate description. from our perspective clearly the reckless and aggressive actions that russia has taken consistently are responsible. but we're also prepared to have and would prefer to have a more stable and critical relationship. i think that would be to the benefit of people in the united states, and russia, and indeed around the world. also this hour, calls for consequences for donald trump's doj. i'm going to talk to house intelligence committee member peter welch about the revelations that two of the democrats on that committee was targeted by enablers in the justice department. plus this. >> help me! help me! >> the latest video of an unruly forcing a flight to divert is

the third similar incident delta airlines had this week and one of hundreds airlines have dealt with this year. we'll look at what's going on in the unfriendly skies and whether anything can be done to keep passengers and crews safe. that is coming up later on this hour. we do want to begin with that major breaking news out of israel where the 12-year reign of prime minister benjamin netanyahu has officially ended a short time of go. a new coalition government will replace netanyahu with one of his right-wing allies, naftali bennett. kelly cobiella is joining us. give us the tick-tock leading up to this final historic vote. >> reporter: well, it was incredibly close. we had been hearing all week long that it was going to be close, that this coalition government could not afford to lose a single lawmaker. today we saw that in action just about four hours after the

knesset came into session. after speeches by netanyahu and naftali bennett, the new prime minister, there was a vote on this coalition. some concerned faces in the middle of this vote as it was being called because there was one abstention. but at the end the knesset voted in favor of installing this new government 60-59. a truly, truly close call here. naftali bennett was shortly thereafter sworn in as the new prime minister. you saw netanyahu sitting in the chamber with a mask over his face looking straight ahead stone faced. not an expression that you could read at all. he did get up and shake naftali bennett's hand and then moved to the back benches, as it were, moved to the opposition side of the knesset as naftali took on his role as the prime minister. president biden has offered his

congratulations to prime minister naftali bennett and his cabinet, and naftali bennett has responded with a tweet thanking the president for the kind words and also saying that he would work to bring the two nations closer together, continue to work on that very vital relationship for both israel and for the u.s. yasmin. >> all right, nbc's kelly cobiella for us in tel aviv. thank you, kelly. i want to bring into this conversation evelyn farkas and former u.s. ambassador and msnbc diplomacy expert christopher hill. welcome to you both, guys. thanks for joining us on this. evelyn, i want to talk to you first about your reaction to this breaking news out of israel now with former prime minister bibi netanyahu being unseated. >> yeah. yasmin, it's as you said and as the correspondent said, kelly mentioned, it's a pretty big move for israel now. we have to remember that

benjamin netanyahu has been prime minister for 15 years. the last 12 consecutive of israel. and so he really set the tone not just the relationship with the united states but also for the region. and -- >> ambassador hill, do you see -- go ahead. no, please, go ahead, evelyn. >> i mean i think it's an opportunity now for president biden, for the united states. we have to be mindful that it's a very narrow win for this coalition and it's a very shaky coalition of people who really fundamentally disagree on a lot. you've got arabs in there, islamist arabs, you've got the far right, mr. bennett, the new prime minister, and then you've got the real power, kind of the moderate in there who will take over in two years as part of the deal if the coalition stays together. having said that even if we have them in power for a little while, it's a chance to relook at what's happening in the u.s./israel relationship but

more importantly in the region. >> so is this -- and i asked this of joel rubin, ambassador, in the last hour, but is this an opportunity to reset the u.s./israeli relationship with a new leader now? >> i think there's no question this is an opportunity to reset the relationship. that said, given the closeness of israeli politics, by the way, a situation not unknown in the united states these days, i think the biden administration will be very careful not to put undue pressure on incoming prime minister bennett. i think the real question, a real tough issue for the biden administration will be to reconcile its goal of getting the u.s. back into the iran deal with the situation with the israelis, especially netanyahu who made the case that that's very bad news for israel. presumably there are a lot of people in the coalition who feel that way as well.

so i think for biden, the toughest thing will be dealing with the iran deal. i think with respect to u.s./israeli relations, probably they'll kind of move slowly, although he was very quick to congratulate prime minister bennett today. i suspect they'll move slowly. i would be very surprised if the biden administration would want to undo some of this recent architecture put together by the trump administration. so the key thing to watch is how the iran deal moves forward in light of this new reality in israel which, as your question suggests, is an opportunity for the biden administration to do more in the future with israel. >> it's interesting, ambassador, because you think about naftali bennett being even more right wing that benjamin netanyahu and we knew where the former prime minister stood when it came to the iran nuclear deal, right? he was totally and absolutely against it and working to make sure that it didn't necessarily happen. what does the conversation sound

like today and tomorrow at this nato summit with this new breaking news out of israel and the sort of remaking or renegotiating the iran deal on the horizon? >> well, the u.s. decision to pull out of the iran deal was one of the major issues that caused problems with our allies. and not just with the other signatories of the iran deal, the jcpoa, but other allies as well. so i think what the biden administration has taken is a careful, deliberate approach to try to stitch it back together on the basis of mutual understandings. they have put together working groups. i suspect they will want to continue that approach. but clearly this is going to be quite interesting to keep their eye on politics in israel. they certainly don't want a situation where they have moved precipitously. bennett is perceived as being weak in terms of following up on

israeli foreign policy, national security issues. so they have to be very careful not to look like they're just doing this because netanyahu is out of the way and now they can proceed with the iran deal. so i think they'll be very careful with that. but bear in mind there are a lot of things that have to be dealt with on the alliance issues and nato so i don't think it's just iran, there are a lot of issues to deal with. what we have in a president right now is a pretty good diplomat who can kind of balance several balls in the air at the same time. so i think he'll get through this weekend and do okay. of course he has the issue with putin coming up and to a great extent that will occupy the minds of many of our european allies even more so than iran should. >> evelyn, what is top of mind for this president right now and this relationship with israel? i ask this only to say that we have the statement issued from

the president a couple of hours ago after we got the news out of israel. kelly read that statement a little earlier today and we heard naftali bennett tweeted his response to the president's congratulations. but with all that being said, the president here, at what point do you expect a phone conversation to happen with the new israeli prime minister and the beginning of the reset of this relationship? >> yasmin, i'm pretty sure that that will happen very soon. you know, as soon as the president is done with the summit, the nato summit and then the putin meeting. i would say, though, that he probably views this through the lens of the standoff between democracy and autocracy. this was a win for israeli democracy frankly. when i went to israel a couple of years ago, what really stood out for me the last time i was there is opposition leaders in

israel who said to us, you know, we had trump before you had trump, and they were referring to benjamin netanyahu. >> wow. >> so they felt like he operates politically inside of israel in a way that wasn't liberal democrat, right? and so i think that president biden will view it as sort of a win for the middle east. i would agree with ambassador hill, iran is not going to be front and center at the nato summit. in fact probably because of this news coming out of israel, the united states will, i would hope at least, cool it a little bit. give them some space to get their sea legs, if you will, because any fast move on iran would potentially threaten that coalition. i think the nato -- sorry, go ahead. >> no, no, please continue. >> i was just going to say the nato relationship really there, the core there, is the standoff with russia. i mean we have an asymmetric problem. yes, we can keep them at bay

conventionally but all these cyberattacks are hugely dangerous. their nuclear posture, their military doctrine is very dangerous and there's the looming problem of china. these are the things biden will focus on. >> right. and how do approach the conversation also with vladimir putin when it comes to these ransomware attacks. so much to cover over the next couple of days and weeks as these relationships are constantly changing, evelyn farkas, you're going to stick with us about the conversation about the president's meeting with putin on wednesday. ambassador chris hill, thank you. i want to turn to the g-7 and what we're learning from president biden's first big international trip. he is now in brussels arriving there an hour or so ago. that's where we find nbc correspondent mike memoli. good to see you once again. talk us through here the president's schedule who i'm expecting is likely in for the night, possibly taking a rest

after his long last couple of days. >> reporter: surely has been a busy few days already. he's traded the g-7 summit in cornwall for now heading into the nato summit tomorrow. a group of 30 countries that includes the united states. the focus really after talking with largely a diplomatic alliance in the united kingdom is focused on the military alliance that the president really wants to strengthen for the 21st century. the white house saying among the things the president aims to accomplish during his time here is to launch a discussion about a new strategic framework for nato, essentially to rewrite the mission statement to adapt to what he sees as the new threats facing the western world. to continue to focus on russia, but also to include china as well. it's all part of what has been a real theme for this president, that the 21st century is shaping up to be a battle between democracies and autocracies. we heard the president talk about this earlier this afternoon when he held a news

conference before leaving the uk. take a listen. >> i think we're in a contest not with china per se, but a contest with autocrats, autocratic governments around the world, as to whether or not democracies can compete with them in the rapidly changing 21st century. and i think how we act and whether we pull together as democracies is going to determine whether our grandkids look back 15 years from now and say did they step up? are democracies as relevant and powerful as they have been. >> reporter: to add to what has been a busy day already, you heard you talking about when the president might call the new israeli prime minister. the white house just announced in the last few minutes that he has done so. i think it might have been when we were speculating what was the holdup in the president getting off air force one in the last hour. there was a conversation with

naftali bennett. he said he wants to deepen the cooperation between the u.s. and israel and also talked about iran and of course the ongoing peace efforts the u.s. hopes to relaunch at some point there in the middle east, yiz minimum. >> thank you, memoli. i'm getting in my inbox, does mike know this? i could have known the archs. mike memoli knows it all. thank you, mike, have a good rest of your couple of days. after the break we'll talk about president biden's first trip abroad and how it compares to the previous president's interactions with world leaders. we'll be right back. rld leaders. we'll be right back. or is that the damp weight of self-awareness you now hold in your hand? yeah-h-h. (laugh) keep your downstairs dry with gold bond body powder. the lexus es. every curve, every innovation, every feeling.

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welcome back. with the g-7 wrapped up, now all eyes turn to the upcoming nato summit. >> now i'm going to be heading off to brussels, to nato, and many of the same people are going to be at that table in nato. and to make the case we are back as well. we do not view nato as a sort of protection racket, we believe that nato is vital to our ability to maintain american security for the next -- remainder of the century. >> back with us, evelyn farkas,

former deputy secretary of defense and also with me is mosha, staff writer for "the new yorker" and author of "surviving autocracy." welcome to you both. you heard the president there making a direct reflection of the former president's view on nato, calling it saying that it wasn't a defense racket, that nato is not in fact a defense racket. we know how the former president used to speak of nato. how do you expect this summit to be different than years past when president trump was in power? >> it's going to be like a 180. you know, this president is clearly aware that nato is one of the critical institutions that has kept america and its allies safe since world war ii. we set up nato so that we would prevent another world war and that's exactly what it's done. in fact the only time the alliance came together as one

alliance to fight, to use its military, was to defend the united states after 9/11. so this alliance has stuck together, it's expanded to look at threats that are cyber, so not just regular conventional or nuclear threats, but now cyber. they're getting more serious about china as well and that will probably come up. they have gotten increasingly serious over russia. so i think these are our closest allies, economically, politically and militarily. >> i want to talk about a couple of different topics because we do have to address the elephant in the room, which is wednesday, the president meeting with russian president vladimir putin, but i also think this conversation lends itself to the continuing conversation happening in nato. masha, let's talk first about that wednesday meeting. i first want to play for you a clip from an interview my colleague, keir simmons, did with putin.

>> when president biden was asked whether he believes you are a killer, he said, i do. mr. president, are you a killer? >> translator: over my tenure, i've gotten used to attacks from all kinds of angles and from all kinds of areas under all kinds of pretext and reasons and of different caliber and fierceness and none of it surprises me. so as far as harsh rhetoric, i think this is an expression of overall u.s. culture. >> so i actually played that sound, masha, for a guest of mine yesterday and i want to show you her reaction to that. >> a little bit of an overkill, to call him a killer and continue to call him a killer in his face. you want to meet with him, you want to interview him and then you say, well, but are you a killer. it is, and i have to agree, i think it is a bit of a sensationalist but it is a good story. we keep playing it and repeating it and he loves it, because he loves attention.

>> what do you make of this, masha? >> we're in a little bit of a bind here, right? you can't not ask him about this when you interview putin and you also know that he is a killer and you also know that he's going to lie. these are at this point established facts. the amount of evidence that we have seen emerged just over the last couple of weeks about the state-ordered, state-sanctioned murders in russia. we now know thanks to the investigative journalism organization that the fsb, the russian secret police, has a unit that is dedicated to poisoning, to murdering putin's opponents. and not -- i mean it's ridiculous to stratify this, but just to give you a sense of the scale of this operation, these are not just prominent opponents who putin perceives as a threat

such as alexander navalny but someone like a poet who seems to have been targeted because he has written poems that are insulting to putin. like today we heard that the writer has also been targeted and nearly poisoned two years ago. so we have a concerted, out of control, state-sanctioned murder campaign. and asking this man who is basking in his impunity and who is basking in being perceived as a killer whether in fact he is a killer is kind of a losing proposition. >> sos as the president anticipating this meeting on wednesday, masha, how is hereto approach vladimir putin, to confront him on these ransomware attacks, to confront him on, you know, his actions abroad, to confront him on his treatment of

navalny, who by the way has a groundswell of support in russia, protests happening across the country in support of him that we have covered in the last couple of months. how do you go about approaching a man, confronting a man like putin who ends up laughing off much of these questions? >> well, first of all, i want to respond to the protests in support of navalny. it is absolutely true that navalny has more support than any opposition figure before him. he doesn't have the resources that putin has. at the same time, he's not actually a threat to putin in the sense that the protests, there are no levers for the protests to set in motion to remove putin, right? they are more of an annoyance than anything else. putin is not going to lose his office because of that. so how is biden to approach him?

i think that there are some unfortunate political instincts that we see kicking in. at the press conference in which biden talked about the summit, he talked about deliverables that he can bring, such as maybe reaching extradition agreements with russia. such as if russia extra diets cyber criminals, maybe the united states can extradite russian criminals. that's a dangerous path to go down. we know russia will abuse those mechanisms to go after the opposition. i think biden needs to say we know who you are and we're going to do everything that we can, and there's a lot that we can do, to isolate you in the world and to stop your access to our financial markets. >> evelyn farkas, do you agree? >> i agree 100% with masha. we need to set very clear consequences out. so the president, president

biden, needs to meet with vladimir putin and lay out what the consequences for his continued aggressive foreign policy and violation of human rights will be going forward. we need to set guardrails on the russian government and the kremlin. right now they are violating international law. they are escalating, left, right and center and it's more dangerous than the situation we had during the cold war because then we had some guardrails and rules of the world. we don't have any in this cyber world or this assassination campaign. that's dangerous for the united states, it's dangerous for russia, it's dangerous for everyone. miscalculation can come into play. if we get angry because there's a cyberattack and americans die, then what are we going to do? >> i was incredibly surprised, shocked even to hear the president on the record say he would actually consider an exchange the one like masha described. evelyn farkas, masha gessen, thanks, guys.

you can watch more of the interview on monday. we'll be right back. we'l l be right back.

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welcome back, everybody. one of the highest profile defendants in the january 6th investigation is being transferred to a state prison in pennsylvania after a judge called him, quote, a threat to democracy. scott macfarlane from our affiliate in washington joins us now with more on this. scott, good to see you. what more can you tell us about this defendant and where the investigations stand now? >> reporter: yasmin, good afternoon. our nbc news reporting as of this afternoon, 39 of the u.s. capitol defendants are being held pretrial in the jail here in d.c. one of them is ryan samsel. we've learned this weekend or early next week he'll be transferred to the state prison in pennsylvania closer to his

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welcome back, everybody. more reports of data collection by trump's justice department as a new bombshell report from the "the new york times" reveals that former trump white house counsel, don mcgahn, was reportedly told by apple last month that his account information was subpoenaed just three years ago. this news comes as democrats on

capitol hill are pushing for former attorneys general bill barr and jeff sessions to testify over early reports the trump era justice department seized data records of top democrats. barr and sessions are denying knowledge of these secret subpoenas. >> for the attorneys general, barr and sessions, at least two, to say they didn't know anything about it is beyond belief. so we will have to have them come under oath to testify about that. >> today i'm demanding that the senate republican party join democrats to subpoena both barr and sessions as well as john demmers, the assistant attorney general. they must testify, sessions and barr must testify under oath. >> so the justice department's inspector general has already announced an investigation into a hunt for leaks by trump's doj

that demanded apple to hand over meta data from the accounts of congressman eric swalwell and adam schiff as well as their aides and family members. joining me is one of the members of the intel committee, democratic congressman peter welch of vermont. he's also part of the oversight and reform committee. congressman, thanks for joining us. really appreciate it. let's start with this question on whether you support efforts as you heard from senator chuck schumer to subpoena former attorneys general jeff sessions and bill barr? >> well, absolutely. i also think it's really important that our republican colleagues join in that. you know, it is an extraordinary abuse of executive authority to use the justice department for political vendettas. and it appears very likely that president trump did that with the full assistance of attorney general barr and maybe sessions. i mean these subpoenas, by the way, they don't issue themselves. that has to be authorized at the highest level of the justice department.

so you have a president who was so intent on attacking his adversaries that he even swept into it not only adam schiff, who he tweeted against every single day, but his own lawyer. the real issue here is two things. one, the abuse of executive authority in weaponizing the justice department. and then second, and very significant, is attacking the independence of a separate and equal branch of government that goes to the core of the balance of powers in the checks and balances in our constitution. >> so, congressman, how does that chamber of commerce the conversation? yesterday i was talking about this story just referring to adam schiff and eric swalwell. then there was this new bombshell report talking about how apple turned over don mcgahn's data to then trump justice department. what do you make of that new bombshell revelation? how does it change the

conversation? >> it really doesn't, because the heart of the attack in the subpoena on mcgone, his own counsel, and on adam schiff and eric swalwell, members of congress in a separate and equal branch of government, is all about the rampant, reckless, unrestrained abuse of authority by president trump. so the heart of the abuse was directed against his own lawyer, and that gives you a picture into the mind of the man who was president for four years. that is pretty bizarre to be subpoenaing documents from your own attorney. but it's understandable, given the way trump attacked congress that he would use his abuse of power to go after some of his political adversaries, but he went after his own lawyer as well. it comes from the same willingness on his part to abuse the justice department. and it's very important about barr, barr in my view lied when he was being questioned by

senator harris. just flat out couldn't remember, when in fact he's the only one that could have authorized this. and what he did is he hired people to come in and assist him and created in effect a cell within the justice department whose job it was to respond to the political whims and the political vendettas of the president. it's a pretty disgraceful episode in the justice department at the hands of bill barr. >> congressman, adam schiff essentially saying that he found out from apple that in fact his information had been seized. does that concern you that it was from apple in which he found out and not from the current justice department? >> yes, very much. in addition to doing this fishing expedition, abusing his authority, the justice department got a gag order that made it illegal for apple to even notify the targets of this

fishing expedition inquiry. so it's another indication of how intent barr and trump were to get away with this and to get away with it they hoped in secret without it ever seeing the light of day. >> congressman peter welch of vermont, a beautiful state this time of year, thanks for joining us on this sunday afternoon. coming up, by the way, in our next hour, fellow house democrat majority whip jim clyburn is joining my colleague, reverend al sharpton, to discuss the latest on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. politicsnation beginning right here at 5:00 p.m. eastern. i do want to talk about the doj fallout and i want to bring in donna edwards, contributing columnist at "the washington post" and michael steele, former senior advisor for jeb bush, former advisor to john boehner. welcome to you both. congresswoman, i want to start

with you on this one and pick up where i left off with the congressman and the current department of justice's responsibility in all of this, in reporting the seizure of this data of, for instance, congressman adam schiff and eric swalwell. is that something you're worried about? and does the department of justice need to really clean house after finding out this information? >> well, it is troubling that this information actually would not have even been responded to by the department of justice it looks like until the news reporting in "the new york times." i think that's deeply troubling. and frankly, in addition to subpoenas for bill barr, for jeff sessions, rod rosenstein and, you know, to the extent that they raised their right hand and swore they didn't know anything about it, then you've got a whole other line of officials within the department

of justice. somebody knew something. and they should be coming forward on their own to the deputy and to the attorney general, and they should be brought in front of congress to testify to what they knew. this is deeply, deeply troubling, and it doesn't stop just with a trump administration gone because someplace in the bowels of the department of justice, something bad is going on. >> what would incentivize folks, though, congresswoman, to come forward on this? >> well, i think that they would be incentivized, if they were told to do something and they did it because they worked for people, they can come forward and just say what it is that they did. i think there's no harm, no foul in that. but time is ticking by for those who knew that they were engaged in this activity and should come forward to their superiors. and at some point or other, it's going to be too late not to be culpable.

>> michael, what's the best way to investigate this? is it through the i.g. probe? is it subpoenaing attorneys general barr and sessions? is it both? to get to the bottom of why this happened and who okayed it? >> all of the above. look, these are complicated situations involving the separation of powers between the executive and legislative branch. this is a situation where in order for congress to conduct oversight, they need to have a very high degree of trust between the executive branch and congress on a bipartisan basis that clearly was shredded during the trump era. it's going to take a long time to rebuild that muscle memory. the more we can find out about the facts, who did what, why and when, who was impacted and who was implicated, the better for repairing that relationship and getting back to a place where america's national security is a bipartisan issue in the white house and on capitol hill.

>> congressman, i want you to weigh in on this real quick. i want to talk real quickly about joe manchin and the filibuster. there was a columnist ross douthet who suggested moving the filibuster threshold to 55. we know joe manchin does not suggest doing away with the filibuster, he doesn't support it. do you think this type of effort could help to get legislation through? >> well, i'm going to say maybe, but i think it's time for the filibuster to go. i also think that especially when it comes to these democracy reforms and voting rights that there's an argument to be made on that issue alone about removing the filibuster. but look, if there are efforts to try to reform the filibuster, i think that's completely within the conversation. but the just say no strategy on the part of joe manchin and others is just not acceptable. >> just say no strategy. that's a new one.

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get him! >> welcome back, everybody. imagine being on a flight where a passenger gets so belligerent the pilot called on other passengers to help subdue him. that's what happened on a flight, but this is just one that has happened with many passengers. john, good to see you this afternoon. thank you for joining us on this. listen, there was part of the video we had showed yesterday where the pilot actually calls for passengers to come forward and help essentially subdue this unruly passenger. did the pilot make the right

call? >> absolutely. absolutely. calling for assistance in a security situation is an appropriate action, and i think this captain did exactly what they should have done. >> we've never seen anything like this, the amount of unruly passengers in a year. nearly 3,000 total. the faa saying 446 of them were serious enough to launch an investigation. that's astounding. comparing that to 2020 at 183. much of this is being attributed to some of the restrictions that are still in place when on a plane. what do you make of what's going on, john? >> i think there are several things at play here. we've always had a problem with unruly passengers. the faa, the u.s. marshals and the fbi are now taking it much more seriously. the requirement for -- to wear a mask on board, it has, for whatever reason, become a

flashpoint with some people. but let me be real clear. the captain has the authority and the responsibility to remove or have law enforcement remove somebody that will not comply with federal regulations. and so it doesn't matter if you have a ticket, it doesn't matter if you threaten to sue, if the captain concludes you pose an actual or perceived security threat, you're going to get off the airplane. >> so american southwest said, look, we're not going to sell alcohol anymore, because that contributed to this. should other airlines follow suit? >> alcohol has contributed in some cases. some of the recent videos, it's not clear at all that alcohol was involved, and so i think that that's a choice that some of the airlines have made. i don't know that we have enough data to say if it's the right call or not, and i don't think it's a decision that's going to be long-lasting.

>> i bet you're right on that one. john cox, thank you so much. sorry it was so short. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm yasmin vossoughian. i'm going to turn it over to reverend al sharpton and "politics nation." good evening and welcome to "politics nation." tonight's lead, watch for the hook. right now the plan appears to be working perfectly. even in donald trump's absence from the white house, there is a near perfect synergy between the chaos of his following and the cowardness of his allies in elected office, and the same gop lawmakers who rhetorically