tv The Mehdi Hasan Show MSNBC June 13, 2021 8:00pm-9:00pm PDT
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started hitting me that someone else needs it more. i made my mind up that i would do the right thing. >> reporter: heading to harvard, she immigrated to the u.s. when she was 8. her mom worked 80 hours a week while attending community college. when you were young, were you watching your mom work and go to school at the same time? >> yeah. i told her, you can do it. just go, work hard. >> reporter: a lesson she's paying forward. >> no matter what happens, i'm proud of what i did and i stand by that. >> i know that this lady is going to make a change in the world one day. >> reporter: and she already has. morgan radford, nbc news, new york. >> incredible. that is where we will leave it on this sunday and for this weekend. thank you for being with us. i'm alicia menendez. i will see you next weekend for more "american voices." now it is time for "the mehdi hasan show." big news out of israel tonight.
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a really tight vote there. >> indeed. benjamin netanyahu looks like he's gone. isn't it interesting. people say voting doesn't matter, my vote doesn't count, yet america and israel have both gotten rid of benjamin netanyahu and donald trump in some pretty tight votes. have a great rest of your sunday. we'll see you soon. this week made it clear, american democracy is in crisis. the latest assault happening in texas. is the white house taking it seriously enough? my one on one with beto o'rourke. plus, why maya is soaring to the top of the new york mayoral race. what's behind the surge of maya? i'll ask her. mike pompeo said the trump administration was the toughest on russia. really, he said that.
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and islamophobia, leading to real-world violence and murder. i'll talk about it. good evening. i'm mehdi hasan. since this show launched in october, i've been warning about the crisis of democracy that is engulfing this nation. i'm sorry to have to report this to, but the past week has brought more confirmation that the crisis continues to get worse. in texas, despite the slight reprieve, republicans remain determined to pass a bill that would enact new and horrific restrictions on voting. the governor says the bill will be back on the agenda when lawmakers meet in a special session later this year. it's one of nine bills to restrict voter registration in the state. tied for the highest numbers in the nation. a provision that would take away
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sunday early voting and aimed at hindering black churchgoers? absolutely not, says a republican representative, one of the bill's architects. he says it must be a typo. if so it's an awfully long and very specific typo. what about another provision that would make it easier for judges to overturn elections without any proof? why? that would be a horrendous policy, says the same texas gop lawmaker. amazing. so both of these things this lawmaker claims to be against he helped put in the legislation. the texas democrats are heading to washington on wednesday to meet with vice president harris. maybe while they are in town they could give their counterparts some advice on how to actually fight back against republicans and to have a spine. because this week we saw senate democrats joe manchin and
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kyrsten sinema continue to hold the party's agenda to hostage. enjoy this offering of meaningless word salad. >> we had a great, we had a respectful, we had a very informative, it was a very good conversation we had, the starting of a good relationship. it really was. >> don't worry, though. because house speaker nancy pelosi is convinced, convinced that manchin, who keeps saying he will never change his mind on this issue, might still change his mind. she says so. >> he wrote, i believe that partisan voting legislation will destroy the already weakening binds of our democracy and, for that reason, i will vote against the for the people act. which is hr-1. when democrats literally don't have one vote to spare, and you
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read that from joe manchin, how are you going to get it passed? >> i don't give up on joe manchin. i read the op-ed. you read part of it. i think he left the door open. i think it's ajar. i'm not giving up. >> it's not just nancy pelosi. senator dianne feinstein declared that she also backs joe manchin on keeping the filibuster and said, if democracy were in jeopardy i would want to protect it. but i don't see it being in jeopardy right now. i mean, amazing. it's easy to blame republicans for undermining our democracy, because they are. but they couldn't do it if some of these democrats weren't shamefully in denial about it. shrugging their shoulders over it. trump's department of justice seized the data of two members of congress in 2017 and 2018. this would be a remarkable set of circumstances under any administration but as usual it happened during the trump
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administration to make it even worse. doj's aggressive efforts targeting democratic members of congress appear to have occurred at the same time that the justice department was fighting a congressional subpoena for trump's personal financial records, to say nothing of the administration's stonewalling during the house's first impeachment. and openly flouting congressional oversight. rarely do we get such a stark example of the asymmetry of power between the branches. friday, attorney general merrick garland unveiled a plan to protect voting rights. good. but also sparking anger with his unwillingness to break with a lot of trump doj policies and practices. for example, defending the former president in a defamation case brought by a woman accusing him of rape. accusations the former president denied. but the doj is defending him still. are democrats in congress up to this fight? is merrick garland at the doj prepared to do everything it will take to not just protect
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voting rights from attack, but also hold attackers incluing the former president to account? ultimately history will judge whether the democratic party rolled over when it mattered most. one democrat who is not sitting idly by is beto o'rourke, who is touring 22 cities across texas to rally for voting rights ahead of a special session planned by gop governor greg abbott. i spoke with beto while he was on the road. beto, thank you so much for joining me on the show. i know it's humid and hot in houston. appreciate you taking time out. the texas democrat strategy of walking out of the state legislature and denying the gop a quorum, that was only a temporary reprieve, was it not? isn't it inevitable that the gop will get this through at some point and it will be devastating to free and fair elections in texas? >> you know, those texas house democrats, their courage in the political minority against overwhelming odds, and
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everyone's complete certainty that sb-7, the voter suppression bill, was going to pass, their willingness to walk out and stop that bill from becoming law has purchased us some time. now it's important for us to make the most of it. and the person who can do the most is president biden, the most powerful man on the planet. we want him to use that political capital he has to help to compel the senate to pass the for the people act, which will stop voter suppression in texas, georgia, florida, across the country and open up elections to eligible voters and make sure that all of us can participate in our democracy. >> so nancy pelosi, house speaker, said she's confident that joe manchin will come along. even though i see no signs of him shifting along.
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a senior white house official said that democrats can organize their way around these gop voting restrictions through higher turnout. which is nonsense. aren't you worried that the leadership of your party in d.c. suspect taking this ongoing attack on our democracy seriously or urgently enough? you may be doing a 22-city tour of texas, but they seem to be a bit too complacent in d.c. >> well, worrying is not going to get us anywhere. if dr. king and andrew young and fannie lou hamer and john lewis had just sat there and worried we would have never had the voting rights act signed into law by president johnson, who was frankly compelled to do so by their struggle and sacrifice. we need something along those lines in 2021. so next sunday on the 20th of june, we are rallying at the texas capitol in austin to make sure that our representatives in washington, d.c., the president of the united states, hear us loud and clear at the epicenter of voting rights in this country, the state of texas.
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>> but are they being urgent enough? straight question. do you believe the democrats in d.c. are taking this seriously or urgently enough? >> absolutely not. but i can't just worry about that or complain about that. i have to do my part to push them. and that's why we're traveling the counties in texas, red and blue. bringing people out. we want to give president biden the power to do the right thing. this could not be more critical. if we fail this summer, we may not get democracy back. because you're right, mehdi. these voter suppression bills will roll forward in a special session in texas. they'll happen in the other more than 40 states that are considering them. and what abraham lincoln called the last, best hope of earth will perish from the planet. it's that serious. that's why we've got to do all we can with all we've got where we are. that describes us here in texas. >> you and i agree it's serious. many of our viewers, i think, believe it's serious.
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do you think that joe manchin, kyrsten sinema, and dianne feinstein, are they guilty of not just endangering black and brown voting rights in places like texas but just fundamentally disregarding them? >> i want to invite them to see it for themselves in texas. this is the toughest state in which to register to vote and it's not tough for everyone equally. it's disproportionately born by black voters, voters of color, those voters with disabilities, the very young, the very old, and those who live in big cities. you cannot have a democracy if everyone who is eligible cannot participate in it. but i believe in those three senators you just mentioned. and once they've exhausted every effort to bring in bipartisan cooperation, they'll put this country before party, before their political career and before themselves, and they'll do the right thing. because the alternative is
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unthinkable. but all of us have the opportunity help them reach that conclusion. so let's push them as hard as we can. >> yes. and in terms of the pushing, i do wonder, do you regret in hindsight not running against john cornyn for the senate last year? if you had and won, you wouldn't have to be criticizing manchin or sinema right now. you would be the 51st democratic vote in the senate. >> there's nothing i can do about the past. i have to do what i can with what i have where i am. and for me that means fighting for voting rights in texas. i'll be giving it all i've got as i know millions of my fellow americans are at the same moment. let's not give in, or lose the faith. we cannot be found wanting. let's get after it. >> agreed. and fair enough. you can't redo the past. 30 seconds left, will you be
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running for governor of texas as a lot of reports suggest against greg abbott next year? >> i'm going to see this fight through to the finish and then after that i will see how i can serve texas, either as a candidate or supporting candidates. one way or the other, i'm in for the distance for texas. >> i'm going to take that as somewhere between definitely and maybe. beto o'rourke, thanks for your time tonight. appreciate it. >> thanks, mehdi. bye-bye. coming up, it's an historic campaign. it's picking up what some are calling maya-mentum. i'll talk to maya wiley about her chances of becoming the first black female mayor of new york city. and it's official. benjamin netanyahu is no longer prime minister of israel. will his replacement be any better? i'll dive into it, ahead. they grow from our imagination, but they can't be held back. they want to be set free.
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early voting is now officially under way in new york city's mayoral primary. bill deblasio and maya wiley were trading in the polls weeks ago. after aoc and senator elizabeth warren, wiley has surged into second place, ranked choice voting meaning second place may be enough to secure a win. let's put this race into perspective. new york city has a population higher than 40 states and the biggest police department in america and its gdp is $1.5
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trillion, the largest economy of any metro area in the country. so it matters who governs the big apple. candidate maya wiley joins me now. we reached out to the other candidates and they're welcome any time. what is the reason behind this momentum? do you credit it to endorsements from people like aoc? >> look, we have maya-mentum because i'm the progressive who can win this race. and the endorsements have been extremely important proof points in that very race. yes, everyone from 1199, the most powerful local union in the country, progressive union of our essential workers from nurses to home health aides endorsed me in february. we were so excited and proud to have the entire brooklyn delegation, including
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congressman hakeem jeffries, and others, who also have endorsed. and, yes, congresswoman aoc. that's all we have to call her. and jamal bowman. the proof point is the progressive change that my campaign is putting forward as the choice in this critical election. >> okay. so given what you're saying there, recent polls show that voters who are supporting the most progressive candidates in the race represent the largest voting bloc in the city. but if those voters don't consolidate around one candidate, the race could be split, left in the air, ranked choice voting. with just days to go, why should progressives choose you? what's the most progressive policy that you're pitching that no one else in the race is? >> frankly, our whole platform is the most progressive set of policies on any issue. take, for example, the fact that i'm going to shift $1 billion from the new york city police department because it is poorly managed.
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it is not focusing our resources smartly on keeping us safe from crime and from police violence. as a black woman and as a civil rights lawyer i know it's a false choice to say we have to have one or the other. we need to support mental health crisis response. show this country how it's done. show this city how we can be safe from both those problems. but look, housing, we have a crisis in affordability in this city before covid. and now we have 400,000 more new yorkers facing eviction. i'm the candidate that has a rent subsidy plan in addition to building more permanently affordable housing with our capital construction budget that i'll double, but i'm going to subsidize the rent for families earning $54,000 or less so they're not paying more than 30% of their income on rent. >> you mentioned police violence in your answer.
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on thursday during a debate you were asked if you would consider taking guns away from the nypd. have a listen. >> so will you take the guns away from the nypd? >> i'm not prepared to make that decision in a debate. i will have a civilian commissioner and a civilian commission that will hold the police accountable and make sure we're safe from crime but also from police violence. >> maya, your spokesperson later said the question was ridiculous and clearly you would not take guns away from officers. but on stage to many that didn't seem clear. can you tell us where you stand on disarming police officers? >> absolutely. i am not, nor have i ever said in this race that i would. and frankly part of why it was so far out of left field is that it's simply not a conversation that any candidate, any progressive candidate has even raised. i wanted to focus my one minute on the actual conversation,
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which is how we grow public safety. keep people safe by addressing the crisis of mental health in this country. i will give you one example right now, justin wallace, a 10-year-old boy, shot and killed on the far rockaways. one of the most effective tools we've had at preventing a gun being shot in the first place is community based violence interruption. there were violent interrupters in the community saying they didn't have enough staff, that they need social workers and trauma and mental health response to keep communities safer. that's what we need to be talking about in this race and that's what i'm going to do as mayor. >> we're almost out of time. one last question. elections are all about change. you would be new york city's first female black mayor. on the other hand you used to work for bill de blasio.
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why should new yorkers not see you as an extension of the de blasio mayoralty? >> first of all i don't think we've ever had a mayor that grew up with pickets instead of picnics. as mayor of new york city. i was proud to be the first black woman to be a counsel to a new york city mayor. we had 109 men and no women and only one black man, we had only had had one black man as a counsel to a new york city mayor, never a black woman. i'm glad of what we accomplished from universal pre-k. i showed government how to get every single apartment in queens, bridge houses, public housing, the largest in north america, free broadband. and i am the counsel who made sure we sued verizon. the only time this city has ever sued a big communication firm for not delivering services to all of our people. and that's making change in government.
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and i've spent a career doing change making on government. so i am excited about being the progressive candidate that's going to win this race. it's fundamental change that ensures this city can be one where we can all live, hold on to our diversity, and where it's just a great place to raise a family, no matter who you are. and that's what i'm running on. >> well, the election is coming up very fast. we appreciate you taking time out from your busy campaign. maya wiley, thank you very much. coming up, our nation has done some pretty awful things abroad. we can't just sweep them under the rug. we're warming up my timer. my 60-second rant is next. but first, richard lui is here with the headlines. an update on soccer star christian eriksen who suffered cardiac arrest during a match saturday. the team doctor described eriksen as gone on the field and he was resuscitated with one use of the defibrillator.
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he's now in stable condition. tough news. if you were saving up to join jeff bezos on a rocket this summer, an anonymous bidder placed a bid of $28 million. it will travel to the edge of space and depart in july. churchgoers in a uk town had surprise visitors, president biden and first lady dr. jill biden dropped in for sunday services at a southwest england catholic church. an attendee said that the bidens walked in, prayed and wished peace be with you to fellow parishioners. more of "the mehdi hasan show" right after this break. reak you can keep your momentum with mavyret. before starting mavyret your doctor will test if you've had hepatitis b which may flare up and cause serious liver problems during and after treatment. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b, a liver or kidney transplant, other liver problems, hiv-1,
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accused of war crimes by all these parties. when our nation is accused of war crimes but i'm sorry to break this to you, our nation has done awful things abroad and we need to be able to talk about them in which u.s. forces were accused of bombing of civilians in vietnam, what about cambodia, iraq? abu ghraib, was that a war crime? those tortured iraqi prisoners. we don't prosecute enough war criminals in this country and some were just pardoned by the last president and are walking free. it's not about saying that the u.s. is as bad as the taliban. of course it isn't. it's saying war crimes should be prosecuted no matter who commits them. it's bad enough that we have conservatives that don't want the crimes against black and native americans taught in our schools but to have liberals say that they should be censored and those who raise them are part of terrorist groups?
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there was no administration that was tougher on russia. we worked diligently to support ukraine with defensive weapons systems. we built up the united states military. chris, we left nato $400 billion stronger than when we took over. we built out that relationship between the united states and nato in a way that really put pressure on vladimir putin. >> tough on putin? the trump administration tough on putin? you've got to be kidding me. the love fest between the donald and vladimir is well documented, the donald calling him very nice
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and a great guy, the same ruthless russian leader who has interfered in elections abroad while cracking down on his own political opponents at home. as biden prepares for his first face-to-face with the russian president on wednesday, putin says the two countries are at their worst point ever while heaping praise on trump, of course. having today enjoyed pleasantries with the queen of england at windsor castle. here is hoping he enjoyed the afternoon as there is likely to be fewer scones and more squabbles in the week ahead. so what can the u.s. president do to pressure the russian president? and what other international challenges do he and the rest of us face? former spokesperson under president obama and now host of pod save the world, tommy vita. thanks for coming on the show tonight. let's start with this putin meeting. putin has said things are diabolically bad between russia
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and the u.s. biden said, yeah, well, we don't really like you either. in recent months, biden has called putin a killer. you have election interference, the colonial pipeline hack, ongoing provocation with ukraine. what is going to come out of this meeting? is there any point to it? >> there is a point to it. i think the cuban missile crisis was worse than today. i don't care what failed secretary of state mike pompeo says about anything. he's a koch brother stooge. does he think they can stabilize things to make sure things don't get worse? the u.s. doesn't have an ambassador, russia doesn't have an ambassador. we have to find a bottom in this relationship. i don't think biden is harboring any ideologies that he's going to look into his eyes and see his soul like george w. bush. in the russians' defense, u.s. policy has been all over the
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place the last few years. it's good to have face-to-face conversations and iron out confusion or ambiguity. i'm sure biden will push him on cyber attacks, navalny. they may be able to find some common ground. we need to catch up. >> yeah. the bar is so low with anything involving trump. this week, a russian court banned groups affiliated with alexei navalny. that kind of thing doesn't happen really without the putin administration's blessing. does the united states have any leverage, tommy, when it comes to trying to pressure putin? it's not like there's some sort of military solution on the table here. nobody wants a war. >> no. i don't know about leverage. i do think we have an obligation to stand up for universal rights and for democracy itself. and we have to get our own act together in the united states.
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our allies are thrilled that trump is gone. but polling shows that the average person in the world is worried about the health of our democracy. our goal shouldn't be to lecture other countries but rather to demonstrate to the world that we have a better system that will deliver better outcomes, taking time and effort, and it's not going to be one meeting. you're right, consistency matters and we need to demonstrate that, not just with the russians but across the board. >> a poll showed globally 75% of the world compared with 17% for trump last year. biden received a warm reception at the g7 largely because he's not donald trump. is that enough given the scale of the challenges america has been failing on, from fighting climate change to supporting dictators? i had joe biden's deputy national security adviser john
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finer on this show earlier this week. and i asked him that question. how can you tell russia to get democratic when we're backing people like saudi arabia and egypt? he said, well, no, behind the scenes we tell them as well to be democratic. you worked in government. you and i both know that the american government does not give a consistent message on democracy. it depends on whether you're a friend or foe. >> i think that's right. we need to be more consistent, push imperfect partners like the egyptians and president sisi. biden has more leverage and political capital to push our allies to do more. >> yes. >> one place is on climate change, the g7 ended with leaders united to getting to net zero carbon emissions by 2050, but the g7 countries only count for 20%, 25% of emissions. he needs to push them to do more, especially when it comes to speeding the transition away from coal and use that progress
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to put leverage on the chinese and india, and also to get developed countries to pay for these transitions. but again the biggest thing we need to do is push the u.s. congress to pass an infrastructure bill that will help make investments into renewable energies. unless we get our own house in order we lose a lot of leverage to push others. >> get your own house in order. well said. let's briefly talk israel, tommy. earlier today a new israeli government survived a vote of confidence by one vote. benjamin netanyahu is out after 12 continuous years in office. biden congratulated the new prime minister, naftali bennett, saying israel has no better friend than the united states. how much damage do you think a very partisan netanyahu did to u.s./israeli relations, in recent years, especially under democratic presidents? >> he did enormous damage. i think we should all pause for a second and thank god that bibi netanyahu is gone. he is a corrupt, racist, venal,
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selfish leader who put his political fortunes ahead of the u.s./israeli relationship, ahead of making life better for the average israeli. they went through four elections in the last couple of years because netanyahu, you know, couldn't form a coalition. so naftali bennett is the new prime minister. is he my dream prime minister? no. his views on settlements, on a palestinian state are not good. bibi's idiot son tweeted out your interview with naftali bennett's adviser, an interesting choice. but i do think that this broader coalition between bennett and yair lapid have stitched together will be more progressive than a netanyahu-like government. that gives me some hope but it's still a fragile coalition. getting past the netanyahu era is enormous. you saw why yesterday, i believe, when netanyahu decided to just burn it down on the way out the door and brag about all the ways he stuck it to the united states the last few years. i don't know that that's the friend and ally we need in
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israel. right? we need new leadership. >> we do need new leadership. the world needs new leadership. you mentioned netanyahu. benjamin himself tweeted out that clip to try to point out to people that naftali bennett abroad, his advisors are saying different things at home. is that going to be a problem? israelis, palestinians are speaking in different languages and different messages. you could say the same thing about naftali bennett. >> yeah, you could. that is going to be a motley, unruly coalition. i don't know how it will hold together. look at the democratic party. anti-trump sentiment got us a long way. now you have to get things done and work together on points of agreement. there may be discord and messages coming out of the government, it's more likely given the way their system works compared to ours. they're not all naftali bennett staffers. it's people who disagree with him on enormous issues, serving in senior roles. but i do think you're seeing democrats who are really hopeful
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about the future of the u.s./israeli relationship because it can get back to a less adversarial, bipartisan one. >> i just hope as it gets back to that i hope palestinians don't get thrown under the bus. i'm sure you hope that, too. tommy vita, thanks, i appreciate your time and analysis. up next, we'll talk about the real-life human consequences of right-wing islamophobic talking points. and at the top of the next hour "the week" dives into "in the heights" and what a majority latino cast means for immigrants all around the country. join us for a live interview with maria hinojosa right here on msnbc.
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on the nations fastest, most reliable network. politicians, especially but not only on the right have spent years churning out islamophobic talking points. in a new piece for the daily beast, more murdered muslims. wajahat ali describes what happened to the afzaal family, as, the same story with a different cast.
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he's no stranger to this issue. he has been sound alarm bells for more than a decade. in 2011, he wrote a landmark report called fear inc. identifying and categorizing the network of well funded players in the islamophobia industry. the forthcoming book "go back to where you came from and other helpful recommendations on how to become american" joins me now. your groundbreaking report was released a decade ago. would you say islamophobia in that period has gotten better or worse? >> it's been mainstreamed. it's been weaponized. it's been manufactured by the right wing and now has been globalized and has inspired wright wing movements from here to canada to europe and inspired right wing extremists, terrorists, because this hate is not posturing. talk to a 9-year-old who lost his family, his family in
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london, canada had the crime of simply being muslim. they were at a intersection, crossing the street. and a 20-year-old man decided to plow into them with his pickup truck because he saw them as the enemy. let's not forget that the president of the united states, donald trump, two years ago when it came to the midterms decided to run on only one talking point, mehdi, that there was an invasion, a caravan of invaders were coming up the border of middle easterners and immigrants. what happened in 2018 during the midterms? robert bowers went and killed 11 people at a synagogue. because he wanted to punish jews for bringing the invaders. what happened a couple of months later in new zealand? a terrorist killed 51 muslims in new zealand. he echoed the same talking points and said that donald trump is a renewed symbol of white identity and a renewed symbol of white purpose. right? so why are these extremists who come from this ideological infrastructure so influenced by these talking points that now we see openly said by laura ingraham and tucker carlson and like you just mentioned this week on newsmax? >> in your daily beast piece
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words, you ask, where will it happen next time? and note this is a question communities are wondering when this type of violence can reach their doorsteps. can you explain how real this fear is for ordinary muslim americans and canadian muslims? >> you had president trump who said we, muslims, were a problem in need of a solution. and the solution they came up with is the muslim ban, until he can figure out what the hell is going on, right? he said, i think islam hates us. right? we see literally ilhan omar being the boogeyman, the trifecta who was a muslim and a woman and a refugee being seen as a boogeyman. and based on her religion, she is constantly vilified and attacked. if you're a muslim and watching this, you say, wow, there is an entire right wing movement and a party that sees me as a problem in need of a solution. what is that solution? oh, anti-sharia bills, a muslim ban, oh, look, some talking points that influence violent extremists who decide to drive
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into an innocent family in canada to kill them because by seeing them and seeing a woman in a hijab, they see them as a threat. and so it terrifies us. and why would it not? if this was happening to you in your community, would you not be afraid? >> and they say it's just speech. it's just words. it's ideas. we should be able to debate this stuff, even though there are very vicious real world consequences. it's easy to say islamophobia is just a right wing problem, but that's not true, is it? liberals have pushed talking points and tropes over the years. you just mentioned ilhan omar. she got accused of giving cover to terrorist groups, an outrageous claim to me. what is your message to a liberal audience watching who thinks, this is an issue that isn't for us? >> this hate unites bigots, regardless of their ethnicity or their political allegiances. i'll give you one quick example. bill maher, who literally
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repeats all the islamophobic talking points that you'll hear on fox news. he has been doing it for years. yet democrats always go on his show. rarely call him out on it. who is the one person who came out on a show and called him out? batman, ben affleck. bill maher says islamism is a motherlode of bad ideas. their culture is worse than ours. he has a show on hbo. he has not been canceled. so for liberals, they don't check him. i want liberals like chuck schumer, who praised peter king, one of the leading islamophobes when he retired two years ago, praised a man who was one of the most leading anti-muslim bigots. i wish chuck schumer would spend half as much time, or even one tweet defending ilhan omar. the rest of us are seeing how he does not defend her and that means they're not going to defend us. >> i think it was harris who said islam was the motherlode of bad ideas.
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maher said, i think it was the mafia. >> they'll kill you. that's what he said. >> before we run out of time, i've got to ask this question. a lot of people say i'm criticizing islam. don't call me a racist. muslims are not a race. what is your response to that classic argument that is put forward? >> i don't have time for this mental linguistic gymnastics, this foolishness. just like when people say i'm not homophobic, or i'm not anti-semitic. call it for what it is. you don't like islamophobia? anti-muslim bigotry. that's what it is. you're being a hater and they're having a cost and a deadly cost. if you don't think it's a deadly cost, tell that 9-year-old boy now in the hospital, tell him that your rhetoric is not cost-free. tell him when he wakes up and he's realized he's lost his mother, he has lost his father,
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his sister, and his grandmother. tell him that. >> it's outrageous. and the guy who allegedly ran the truck into them wasn't thinking about, well, i disagree with this aspect of islamist theology, he was running over a muslim brown family. you pointed this out, after 9/11 the first in america killed in a hate crime was a sikh gas station attendant who was killed because he had a turban on by a guy who wanted to hit a muslim after 9/11. so you're right to point out that we shouldn't engage in these mental gymnastics. thanks for writing your piece the daily beast. we need to call this out much more than we do. appreciate you taking time out tonight. >> thank you so much. >> and thank you all for watching. we'll be right back here next sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern. you can catch me monday through thursday at 7:00 p.m. eastern on the choice on nbc's streaming channel peacock. but that's me done for tonight. now it's time to turn it over to maria teresa kumar. hello. >> thanks for that important conversation. it's wonderful to see you on the other side.
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