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as we come on the air, we're live in brussels. but the focus is on his next stop with 48 hours to go before the president sits down face to face with vladimir putin. before he does we did. keir simmons with a brand new peace. you will only see it on this show. president putin getting testy when being pressed. >> will you commit to sending no more troops into ukraiian soviet territory? >> wait until you hear what he had to say about that. we have keir simmons live in moscow with more of his exchew sieve interview. we also have make memoli.

keir, good morning to you and boy this was a ride ranging interview, significant on a number of fronts including this issue that you ask i'd him about ukraine. >> yes, we were trying to understand what his strategy is. his strategy is to attack, negotiate, attack, negotiate. arrest americans and then try to negotiate a trade. what it appears to be is talking about troops and then i want to talk about nato. he also talks about history and resentment. bush promising not to expand nato, but that agreement was never written down, take a listen.

>> in the case of ukraine, they said you had more than 100,000 troops on the border, was that an attempt to get washington's attention? >> translator: look, first, ukraine itself constantly and i think is still doing that, it kept bringing personnel and equipment. that is one. two is that we conducted exercises in our territory, and not just in the south of the russian federation, but also in the far east, the north, and the arctic. simultaneously they were being held and at the same time the u.s. was conducting military

exercises in alaska. do you know anything about it? probably not. i'll tell you that i do know. and that is in direct proximity to our borders. that's your territory on your land, we didn't even pay attention to it. now at our southern borders there is a war game, defender europe. 40,000 personnel, 50,000 units of military equipment, part of them have been air lifted your continent to ours. did we air left them? no we did not. >> many of those exercises are a response to your actions, mr. president. do you worry that your opposition has strengthenned it? for sixth years nato has spent more on defense.

>> that is some defense. during the gorbichov era, he got a promise. >> where is that written down? where is that promise written down? >> translator: right, right, right. we'll done. correct. you have a point. got you good. congratulations. of course everything should be sealed and written on paper, but what was the point of expanding nato to the east and bringing this infrastructure to our borders? and all of this before saying that we're the ones acting aggressively? why, did russia present any threat to the united states for european countries? we withdrew our troops from

eastern europe leaving them on empty land. they lived there for decades in what was not normal conditions including to their children. and what did we get in response? we got in response infrastructure. and now you say we're threatening. we're conducting war games on a regular basis including surprise military exercises. why should i worry the nato partners, i don't understand that. >> will you commit now not to send any further russian troops into ukraine sovereign territory? >> look, did we say that we're planning to send our information anywhere? we conducted war games in our territory. how can this not be clear? i'm saying it again because i want your audience to hear it.

i want your listeners to hear it. both on the screens of their television sets and on the internet. we conducted military exercises in our territory. what if we kent troops to your borders. we didn't do that. we did it in our territory. you conducted war games in alaska. god bless you. you crossed an ocean, thousands of personnel and thousands of units of military equipment close to our borders and you believe we're acting aggressively and somehow you're not? just look at that. the pot calling the kettle black. and the president meeting with the secretary of nato today, saying it is a pivotal moment for the alliance. it including turkey and whether or not it can chand together in the face of president putin's threats, right? >> yeah, the idea of the united

threat against russian aggression here. sarcastic applause for you from president putin. let me bring in one thing here. that is a sign, right? i think that is more than safe to say. >> president putin was called over prepared, but he spent the entire trip to prepare for wednesday's face to face sit down. and i can tell you firsthand part of that is watching keir's fantastic interview. part of this summit here, nato, is a very full agenda. they're talking about yes, russia, china, talking about the future of afghanistan, but what

the president has been doing in the uk in the g 7 summit and today as he is sitting down with a larger circle of leaders is talking to his counter parts to, in some cases, find out if there is a message they want him to relay, but also to get their perspectives on how to approach this conversation and just earlier this morning biden had a separate discussion with the leaders of several bbaltics. very much heightened concern over his continued aggression against the west. so the white house very carefully approaching this summit very weary and looking for clues from the president. you could tell when he did not answer questions from peter alexander. now not just russia, though, of course on the agenda. we know just in the next hour the president will be sitting down for what would be a fascinating conversation with

president erdogan of turkey. we will hear from him later today in a nude conference. >> and watching it right here on nsnbc reports. >> white house officials like our viewers are eager see what else he told you. i know you're going to have more from that discussion. tell us about it. >> yeah, what he doesn'tly dmuz this interview, and it is an interesting study of his strategy. and i challenged him on that. back to the black lives matter movement and he begins to talk about that. you're going to hear about why he brings that issue up in the next sound in the next hour. that interview, looking for your

reporting throughout the day. we're going to have this on nbc news.com. we're going to take a closer look at other news that president putin made with keir including talking about a potential prison exchange. that is coming up. >> for now, i am joined by a former advisor. good morning, igor, thank you for being with us. >> thank youing me. >> let me talk about what you just heard from president putin about the ukraine. >> it's year eight of a issue with russia. we have to deal with their warfair on a regular basis. from what we see he doesn't seek to resolve conflict. he seems to want to prolong the

conflicts. so i would not take everything he says at face value they are nervous and concerned because there has been mixed messaging. so we want this summit to happen once we know what is next. >> there was an interesting moment in that interview and i'm sure you picked up on it as well. keir point-blank asked if he would commit to not sending more troops into the ukrainian sovereign territory. i'm sure you also noticed that he did not answer and he turned the question back on keir. >> of course, look at the

history. entering year 30. we were in year eight of russian aggression. so i would not take it at face value. i think that president boou tin really comes in with lying during live interviews, not telling the truth. so it is a bit scary when you're on the ground in kiev and you hear that. >> why your country, why you will be handing on writing that expectations are that talked will produce a breakthrough. even the slightest shifts will have con consequences. he is saying "i'll be frank with

you, i'm scared by this situation. what will you consider success coming out of this meeting? >> to be honest, i think the worst case scenario is president bide listen go with what we already know. without any major push back, without appeasing him, with also appeasement, he will not get results. russia needs to feel that push back. so the worst case is he will make it up and the best case scenario is for president bide ton be really firm with president putin and to draw red lines for him that he is comfortable with. >> very quickly, are you

disappointed president biden did not meet with president zelenski? >> given the history with the u.s. in the last two years, i think the president deserves that white house meeting, i think it will also benefit from the signal, president putin will get the message that ukraine matters. as another redline that has to be drawn, unfortunately we have to deal with the situation, but i prefer for him to meet with president biden first. thank you for being with us on the show. making news with us this morning on a very busy morning. we appreciate it. more breaking news in for the supreme court. i have just been handed this

decision on a piece of rare bipartisan administration. it's the first set back. i want to bring in pete williams. this is one of a handful of decisions that we have been watching closely for a decision on today. tell us what is at stake here and what the court is saying. >> what is at stake is people that had a small amount of koe cake and was sentenced, you had a higher amounts of crack cocaine to powder, a 100 to 1 disparity. if you could take advantage of lowering that disparity, potentially reducing your sentence in the first step act, it is a rare bipartisan agreement between the trump administration, dcs, and congress, allowing them to get back and get their sentences reduced. the supreme court said sorry, they cannot.

this involved a florida man who possessed about four grams of cocaine which would be about the weight of four paper clips. he had nearly a pound of powder cocaine, and he wanted to seek a redemption. it was argument that the court was sympathetic but they said sorry, the way the law is worded no matter what the people in congress and the administration intended it to say, it doesn't say that or apply to people like him so they're out of luck. the decision today was unanimous. >> what are you reading into that? the fact that the decision was unanimous and what are the implications of that from a real world perspective? >> the fact that this is the last case of the term that was unanimous suggests that the court didn't spend a lot of time hashing this out. they were pretty clear about where the law was. they were sympathetic to the

defendant, the plain text said this would not count for something that could be reduced. i think what you see here is the triumph of a mode of statutory confirmation confirmation. the court read title seven to include sexual orientation, and here again it is ascended. >> is there going to be something that congress will need to or want to take up after this decision in your view? >> there is definitely an invitation from the court to congress to take this up and to correct what might be an error in drafting or oversight in drafting and that happens pretty regularly. and we need the court and congress to have an interbranch dialogue. whether or not congress take that's up will depend on the mood of congress. and if there is bipartisan support to make the changes. >> ari there is another piece of news coming out of the supreme

court this morning as it relates to affirmative action. will they hear this case, this headline making case from harvard or not. they basically said we want more information from the biden administration. what's going on here? >> exactly they invited the biden doj to weigh in. and the case we were discussing had a new input from a new administration which happens. this is an area where the lawyers will represent the position of the united states government, aka, whoever runs the white house. we're seeing the court buy time and also just solicit where does the biden administration stand? we had discussions about diversity and ways to lead with diversity. some people argued that perhaps the way that harvard is doing affirmative action some under represented groups might

discriminate. it is paying difference groups against each other. the doj will have to weigh in further. >> pete -- >> my view on this is i agree completely. i would just say one other thing. i don't think they care what biden administration thinks about affirmative action. i think this is strictly a delaying tactic. we have abortion next term, we have gun rights, i think this is the conservatives on the court saying enough block busters, let's put this off. at this point now the earliest they will hear from the solicitor general is late this year and well into the start of the next term. i think this is strictly a delaying tactic. >> this is my question on the

timeline piece. >> i think that is quite likely. i think that is the reason they can be like this. >> melissa, final thoughts to you? >> this is a big case, but it is a barn burner. it will be late in the term and we may not hear about what is going to happen until october 2021. i think this is off of the table for awhile. >> when will we get a decision from the scotus? >> thursday. >> thank you all for being with us as we break this developing news here on msnbc reports. coming up next, we're two days away from the high stakes summit between president's putin and biden. coming up, the dilemma when it comes to a possible prisoner swap with moscow and the very

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ahead of wednesday's high profile summit, there is maybe some new hope this morning for the families of two americans that have been issued in russia. >> we hope that happens very soon because they have been

there long enough considering they're innocent of the charges against them. >> we don't care how he comes home. if they want to exchange trevor for low level criminals, we're final with that. >> but aprisoner swapped brings up some questions. why agree to a swap rather than demand their release. vladimir putin this morning opening the door to a possible prisoner exchange. they two former marines.

trevor reid is suffering from covid in prison. >> i know we have certain u.s. citizens in prison. he is a drunk and a trouble troublemaker. he got himself [ bleep ] faced and he hit a cop. >> there is nothing offensive about it. he got drunk on vodka and started a fight. >>. >> they are accused of

assaulting a police officer after a night of drinking in 2019. he says he doesn't remember what happened and denies the charges after being sentenced to nine years in russian prison last year. they called the evidence preposterous. he was diagnosed with covid last month. after traveling there for a wedding accused of being a spy which he denies. his brother tells nbc news he has mixed feelings about a potential prisoner exchange. >> they are negotiating the release of russian convicts. saying i think the american side has begun initiating talks with

biden. >> it could also be a gimmick. you never know until you see the details. >> i'm joined now by jane harman. he is the author of "insanity defense." >> let me start with one more thing that driver reid's dad told the today show this morning. >> this prisoner exchange is probably the easiest thing they could do and if they can accomplish anything in this summit it would be this exchange. >> to put it a different way i talked with former confidence building ben holds.

>> well, it depends. the offense of drinking too much vodka -- russian vodka is really powerful. i once had too much of it myself. it seems to me, again, easy to do in context, but we don't know what the context is. it would be wonderful if this meeting also coming up with a russian declaration that it will crack down on criminal syndicates that are all around. and the u.s. has sent a strong signal without talking about it with -- which is, if we got into networks and rolled back a lot of the bitcoin payments that

colonial pipeline made. we're getting better. means the impact of these folks is going to reduce and that is a great signal to send to russia. >> you're talking about these ransomware attacks. in the interview with keir simmons, they came across as very disingenuous. >> russia is outside of the big outside of the trip. it is a contributor. they're not doing anything about climate that i'm aware of at

all. and they're not confronting china and these are the subject of conversation today, and i think that biden comes in with a strong hand, vladimir putin comes in with a weak hand. in the he needs he needs the summit to be successful far more. i congratulate the biden team for under playing what could come out of this. let's understand that the g 7 mattered. with boris johnson, and today's meeting with nato, i think it is very important and should not be overshadowed by a short meeting with vladimir putin. >> thank you for being with us. there are huge issues facing democratic leaders.

we have now reports about what congresswoman omar has said. israel woke up this morning to new leadership for the first time in years. the new government consists of a broad group of opponents including the united arab list. netanyahu's former protoge for the next 20 years. years.

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we're back here live in congress. some pretty big items on the agenda, but there might be more back and forth around the kofrs around congresswoman omar's comments. bringing forward an emotion that would strip her. but democrats want to focus on those other big ticket items and they will make clear how much or how little 117th congress will

be able to accomplish. infrastructure, election reform, next year's budget, killing it seemingly off of the table for good. all of it shaping up to be a mid year mess as politico puts it. also with us is reporter scott mcfarland. scott, stand by for one second, let me start with you reporting from punch bowl about these resolutions on congresswoman omar. how realistic is it that anything will happen here. >> it looks like there will be a series of resolutions. they have not confirmed kevin mccarthy's plans. there is more republicans crafting a revolution. there is also a democrat, brad schneider, working on and plans to have a resolution to senture

centuremarjorie taylor green. should they go it alone and use their filibuster option. there is a for the people. they have to forget out how to find the january 6th attack. there is a lot on the plate, and it comes as a crucial stretch. they will have to resort these things. they become much more weary of doing things, infrastructure is president biden's top agenda

item. he will be checking back in to where things are and so far democrats are learning a difficult lesson. pretty much anything needs to have the stamp of approval. they found they can pick up small numbers of republicans, but getting ten of them ends up always needing to get the kentucky republican support. he is nobodyizing the biggest ambitions. >> sa hill, thank you. let me go to you here. they're still looking at the next steps for what happened on january 6th. in the court system we have several developments today. i know you're looking for the case to keep an eye on this week. explain that. >> the house oversight committee meets to talk about now and then. i expect movement in the case of the accused 3%ers. another one of the far right

groups. the justice department announced sweeping new cases against the 3%ers accusing them of conspiracy. and potential violence against those that would accept the 2020 elections. they asked to keep those 3%ers in jail until further hearings. i expect more of that, there is several californians charged. one other note, in three hours two people from virginia will have a plea agreement here. just awe lawnful entry of proceedings. will they be asked to cooperate with the feds in the investigation as part of their plea? if so, if that happens, that could be the president sweeping for the 500 plus defendants. >> when do we know if that happens? what's the timing on that? >> 2:00 p.m. eastern time.

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we have a couple pieces of breaking news coming in just in the last three minutes, in that last break. reportedly related to the uproar over some of the subpoena and leak discussions. on the attorney general's schedule, but the "new york times" says merrick garland will

meet with the times, the "the washington post," and krn. it is to talk about the subpoenas in the phone records. leading to where the line will be drawn for what is or is not protected and any new rules will be put in place to make protections harder to role back. we should note that again in the last three minute there's is a statement out from the attorney general on subpoenas to members of congress. i want to share with you about what merrick garland is saying. they have strengthenned the policies and procedures for obtaining records for the legislative branch. this comes after we learned days ago that some members, two key democrats, trump critics had their records subpoenaed by the trump department of justice. we're talking about congressman

adam schiff, you also see don mcgahn with the "new york times" says that the records subpoenas were covered as well. charlie, let me take this sell segment in different direction. let me start with the resignation that i believe you have confirming, correct? >> yes, this is the head of the justice department's national security division. he is a hold over trump era official. he is seen as a kind of an a political person, they asked him to stay on until they got their own attorney general affirmed. they have nominated matt olson for that position, but he is not confirmed yet. they thought originally he would be confirmed by now, so there is

a little fuzziness here about how he thought he would step down by the summer, and because of everything being delayed he was staying on and now abruptly he will be gone by the end of next week. the national security team overseaing the leak investigations and the requests for subpoenas for reporters investigation, and this it is possible that he may -- he would certainly know about something at that level, and he hat the authority to approve it in the place of the attorney general. and he may have done that. on this topic of subpoenas, merrick garland has come under pressure from lawmakers saying how it was possible that the doj under former president trump, let's be clear, before the biden

administration, basically forced apple to and over the records of some democrats in congress. we're now hearing from the attorney general and again, forest give us, we can't put up a graphic, it's literally unfoldingunfolding as we speak. saying that there will be an examination to look at the policies for obtaining records of members of congress. how do you read this? what are the implications of that, charlie? >> it looks like the brouhaha over the seizure of reporter records has expanded into a very similar uproar but also a lot of unanswered questions about just how intrusive or maybe not so intrusive this was. they're handling it the same way. they are say, let's have the inspector general, who is independent of the justice department, take a look at this and write a report telling everyone exactly what happened. even before we hear from that

report, we're going to impose new restrictions going forward. i imagine that will involve higher level supervision or something like that. both reporter investigations and congressional investigations, that is investigations that could affect the media or congress, are already considered sensitive investigations. there's already extra rule requirements for them. i guess they're going to ratchet those up even more. we aren't hearing him saying, we're not going to investigate any crime that may have happened in congress, including a leak, in the same way he is saying, we're not going to seize reporter's information anymore. it's a little vague about what this new restriction might be. >> all of this relates, of course, to the news that you were part of breaking just within the last 24 hours or so, that the records of former white house counsel don mcgahn had already been subpoenaed, apparently, by the then trump administration basically. this is creating controversy here. be clear, it's not inherently

improper for the subpoena of records, whether they be for reporters or members of congress or white house counsel, unless the motive behind it was not in good faith, right? >> certainly. also, just to flag one of the big questions here, this was the trump justice department. it's possible that the mcgahn records were seized by the special counsel, by robert mueller, which technically would be the justice department but maybe misleading to think trump did it. people who are part of the trump team. we don't know. there's a huge amount of unanswered questions here. both in the congressional subpoena and in the mcgahn subpoena, it's possible that this is as limited as they were looking at someone else, that other person had been in contact with the long list of phone numbers and email addresses and they asked companies to identify who were behind those accounts as opposed to getting into their private communication traffic. but we don't know what was being investigated. we don't know why.

nevertheless, i think it's extraordinary that a sitting white house counsel had any information about him subpoenaed under gag order and that he has only just now found out about. >> thank you. for our viewers, you are watching the sausage being made as we speak. nbc news has confirmed what "the times" confirmed and others, the departure of the department of justice official. it had been something planned for some time. we want to make sure folks are clear on that. we will follow all of this from attorney general garland on this issue of subpoenas, but you have helped put it in perspective. thank you for being with us. coming up next, we have more for you. this brand-new nbc news reporting. an exclusive you will only see here on the big push for voting rights legislation this week. we have new details on how texas democrats who dramatically blocked some of the voting restrictions in their state are diving into the federal fight here in washington. n washington

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month. they ultimately walked out of the chamber to prevent that vote from taking place. now those same democrats are hoping to trigger bipartisan support for the for the people act federally as it heads to a vote in the senate next week. let me bring in jane timm who is breaking this exclusive story for us. jane, we know what texas democrats hope to get out of their trip to washington. the question is, are they realistically going to get it considering the political environment right now here on the hill? >> you know, it's really a tough -- there's almost no chance the bill is going to pass unless manchin is flipping, he is willing to abolish the filibuster. this is a really tough battle for them. i do think there's narrative similarities. when i talked to you on the show a month ago, about texas trying to stop this restrictive bill from passing, i said, there's no chance they can stop it. i think they are hoping to bring some of this scrappy law making

to washington and hope they can ignite this fight. these are lawmakers more than anybody else on the front lines of the fight for voting rights. they are the ones who are seeing it every day. texas is one of the hardest places to vote. i think they are hoping to personalize it. one lawmaker said, walking out of the statehouse was akin to coming out on our knees and begging congress to act. >> jane, great reporting. thank you for being with us. i know you are all over this story. i have a feeling this is not the last time we will be talking. appreciate your time. thanks for watching this very busy monday hour. i will see you back here at noon eastern along with my friend and colleague andrea mitchell. now, we have more with chris jansing picking up our coverage. ♪♪ good morning. i am chris janjansing in for cr

melvin. president biden will appear toward with turkish president erdogan at the nato summit. their meeting coming at a tense time. looming over all of it and in many ways prepping for it, the high-stakes face-to-face between president biden and vladimir putin. right now, both leaders do agree on one thing, that relations between the two countries are at their lowest point in years. in moments, we will share more of kear simmons' interview with the russian leader, including the status of nuclear arms talks and even putin's take on the black lives matter movement. that as president biden sets the tone for the meeting early from brussels. >> we have russia that is not acting in a way that is consistent with what we had hoped. >> we do start today in brusles where -- in