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day for the president in belgium, a mix of pageantry and policy that started with a clear message to allies and adversaries. >> we have new challenges, and we have russia that is not acting in a way that is consistent with what we'd hoped, and as well as china. i want to make it clear, nato is critically important for u.s. interest in and of itself and if there weren't one, we'd have to invent one. >> the president also getting ready for that critical summit just 48 hours from now with vladimir putin as we are seeing more now of nbc's keir simmons' exclusive worldwide interview with president putin including the last time the two men met in 2011. >> he said to you, i'm looking in your eyes, and i can't see a soul, and you said, we understand each other. do you remember that exchange?

>> translator: but i do not remember this particular part of our conversation to be honest with you. probably has a good memory. >> and as in that weren't enough, secretary of state tony blinken sitting down with andrea for a preview of the biden administration's expectation for what happens in geneva in a brand-new interview. >> will the president demand that russia also do something about its own government hacking? >> if russia will continue to take reckless or aggressive actions against us or against our partners and allies, we'll respond forcefully, i don't think we'll get a clear and definitive answer for one meeting and it's starting the proposition whether russia seeks a more stable rip or not. >> it's a lot. so let's get it going on a monday morning. let's head to brussels with the chief foreign affairs correspondent and nbc news senior correspondent, keir simmons is in moscow.

andrea, in a matter of moments, right? we expect to see president biden with president erdogan in and of itself an incredibly newsy face to face. talk about that as the president moves away from the way former president trump used to talk about nato through the years. >> you know that well, halle. he used to not only talk about nato in disparaging terms, former president trump walked out of a nato meeting and called it obsolete, a nato alliance, 73 years old. instead, joe biden came here today and got everything he wanted out of the nato meeting and not like the g7, and we had the summary from the nato secretary-general stultanberg who said first of all, that joe biden declared his strong u.s. support for nato that europe and

america have to stand strong against the growing threat of authoritarian regime like russia and china, and its growing insolence in the world and the kind of language that president biden and the secretary of state would have written themselves. so nato firmly arming him against the upcoming meeting with vladimir putin and of course, that sets the next stage. keir simmons is with us after that extraordinary interview. here, we've all been talking about it, we saw all of it today and now playing some more of it on msnbc on the "today" show, and the psychology of this former kgb guy, and everyone should watch your interview and talk to us about all things you learned and you've interviewed him before, but this was 90 minutes of vladimir putin just

days before the g7 and of course, the summit with president biden. >> andrea, he denies and deflects and goes to history and he does all of the things on subject after subject that we have come to know on cyber hacking, on the question of human rights with two americans held in the prison here, in a jail here in russia. he continually threatens and denies and then offers to negotiate and andrea, you and i spoke on a number of occasions before the interview, and i so much appreciate the conversations that we had in the run-up to this interview and we wanted to ask him about that very moving report that you made on the border with turkey and syria with the u.n. looking at that vital lifeline for so many people that could be closed if russia uses its veto at the security council. we wanted to ask president putin

about that, and ask him why he would even be considering closing that lifeline for so many syrians. take a listen. >> our own andrea mitchell saw the last border crossing in syria that is keeping people alive. you threatened to close that crossing in july at the security council. why would you do that knowing that it would cause the death of refugees? >> translator: look, unfortunately, there are already a great deal of tragedies there and all our actions in their totality need to be geared at stabilizing the situation and bringing it into a normal course of events, and with support of russia, the syrian authorities

have been able to bring back into their control 90% of the syrian territory. what needs to be set up now is the humanitarian assistance to people irrespective of any political context. however, our partners in the west, in the west in general, both in the united states and the europeans have been saying that they're not going give any help to assad. what does assad have to do with it? help people who need that assistance, just the most basic things. they won't even lift restrictions on supplies of medication and medical equipment even in the context of the coronavirus infection, but that is just inhumane. and this kind of cruel attitude to the people cannot be explained in any way. as far as the border crossings for delivery of humanitarian assistance, there is the area where competence are still killing people, robbing people, raping people and there is the zone, which by the way, is

controlled by the u.s. military recently. we caught there a group of gangsters who had come from there and that they directly said they had specific goals as far as russian military facilities. as far as border crossings, our position is such that assistance needs to be given just as it should be done in the entire world and was provided for in the rules of international humanitarian law through the central government. that is how assistance should be given and it should not be discriminated against and if there are grounds to believe that the central government of syria would plunder something and steal something we would be in the international red cross or red crescent who will oversee anything. i don't think that anybody in the syrian government is interested in stealing any part of the humanitarian assistance and it needs to be done in the central government and in this

sense who will support president assad because a different mode of behavior will be undermining the sovereignty and that's all. as far as the idlib zone the turkish troops effectively control the border between turkey and syria and convoys cross the border without restrictions on their numbers in both directions. >> so what you heard there, andrea, is another piece of the putin playbook, using leverage, using the threat of closing that border crossing in order to put pressure to try to have sanctions and restrictions lifted on his allied president assad. it's the kind of thing that the biden administration needs to keep in mind. that's the strategy that the kremlin will use as president biden gets ready for this sitdown with president putin, andrea? >> thank you so much for raising that issue with him because the fact is that assad and russia

have been bombing those people. that's why they were in refugee camps. more than 4 million people and 3 million people displaced because they're attacked as enemies by the assad regime and now by russia, its allies and that is why the u.n. is monitoring the aid that gets through checking every single box. i watched it with my own eyes as did the u.n. ambassador and it won't get to the people if it goes through assad who is trying to starve these people and bomb these people to death. i asked the secretary of state about this just yesterday, of course here going into the summit. >> andrea, you know, you've seen it directly that there are so many people who are caught in the remaining crossfire in syria, particularly up in the northwest and in idlib, 2.5 million people. there is no reason, no reason on earth, why we shouldn't have these humanitarian corridor xs

crossing points so that assistance can get in including from turkey, to help these people and there is no rational reason why any country should object to that. >> and this vote, the key vote in the security council that russia is threatening and you heard putin, he's not backing down from this, at least not now is scheduled for early in july which would cut out all of this aid. the meeting with turkey's president, as you know, as you mentioned hallie is about to happen. there is been area they agree on and there's so much else they disagree on, and that will be a very interesting interview, indeed. hallie? >> andrea mitchell, keir simmons, thanks so much to the two of you. keir, andrea mentioned we do expect to see potentially some of that discussion between

president biden and president erdogan. we don't know when these live pictures will be coming in and we will get to them the second we get them. i do want to ask you, in addition to keir's exclusive we played your interview with tony blinken. tell us more about some of what we learned and the news coming out of that. >> he was clearly focused on vladimir putin and there were so many things to ask him about the g7 and nato and as he's been saying and what the president's been saying what they want to come out of the g7 and nato meetings now is really to strengthen the president's position going into this crucial meeting on wednesday in geneva. this is more of my interview with secretary blinken. >> mr. putin is now saying that he would turn over russian hackers to the u.s. if we would do the same. are we willing to make that kind of a trade? >> this meeting with president

putin is not happening in a vacuum. president biden will be coming off a very successful summit of the g7, a nato summit and a meeting with the eu's leaders and these democratic alliances are an incredible source of strength for us, a unique asset that russia doesn't enjoy and china doesn't enjoy and we are finding that we are able to bring them together effectively, diplomatically, politically, militarily and that's a very strong foundation upon which to engage the challenges posed by russia or china or anyone else, for that matter. when it comes to the cyber issues and in particular, ransomware, i don't want to get ahead of the president, but he is going to make clear that no responsible state can be in the business of harboring enterprises including cyber attacks and ransomware. that will be a part of the conversation. >> but if he starts turning over

is is moving to turn over these criminals would we engage in that kind of a trade? >> again, i don't want to get ahead of the president on this. i can just tell you that when it comes to ransomware, we are determined to do two things and the president has had us move out on this. we are strengthening our own defenses and working closely with the private sector because they control most of the infrastructure involved and also to make sure that we're using all of the assets that we have including working with our partners to disrupt these networks and criminal enterprises to coordinate across countries to do that and to insist that countries that may be harboring these organizations stop doing so and again, that's going to be very much on the agenda for the president's meeting. >> will the president demand that russia also do something about its own government hacking, solar winds, what military intelligence from russia is doing that vladimir putin controls?

>> andrea, the purpose of the meeting is for the president to do two things which he's made very clear already, it's to tell president putin directly that we would like a more stable, predictable relationship with russia and in that context there may be an ability to work on some issues where we have overlapping interests, but if russia is going to continue to take reckless or aggressive actions against us or our partners and allies we'll respond forcefully as the president has demonstrated with the response to the solar wind attack and with the attempt to murder mr. navalny with a chemical weapon. >> putin told my colleague keir simmons, that they be response for that. >> that is one thing that i would be in agreement with with president putin. that's probably an accurate description and again, from our

perspective, clearly, the reckless and aggressive actions that russia's taken consistently are responsible, but we're also prepared to have and would prefer to have a more stable and free relationship. that would be to the benefit of the people of the united states and russia, indeed, around the world and there are areas where it's in our mutual interest to cooperate and whether it's strategic stability and arms control and whether it's in places like afghanistan, iran and north korea there are overlapping interests and the question is whether we can find a way to work on those and not see russia take these actions that have been so disruptive. >> and i want to also ask you very quickly about the havana syndrome. congress has criticized the state department, the prior state department during the trump years and cia for not doing enough to protect our diplomats and our intelligence officers and that this could come from microwave-directed

energy pioneered by russia. is this a mystery that possibly the president could bring up with vladimir putin and try to solve? >> andrea, the president and i are committed to getting to the bottom of this. my number one responsibility as secretary of state is to protect the men and women who work for the foreign service and the civil service who are representing our country around the world. and we need to know what happened. we need to know who is responsible and we need to make sure that we have in place measures to protect our people. the president has ordered that we make an intensive hole of government investigation to get to the bottom of this. we do want have an answer for this, we do not know who is responsible and wean there have been 200 reported cases in 2016. we do are wye do know if people

landed, and out of russia, they've been held for so long. >> their ash tear, unlawful detention needs to end. they need to come home. i have raised this every time i've spoken to my russian counterpart. i know that the president will raise it with president putin, and we will work every single day to get them released, to get them back. >> as you know so well, hallie, from the piece you did on the "today" show, your reporting this morning and the interviews with the parents, it is a critical issue and it is something that he is determined to accomplished. he is working with canada with prime minister trudeau and others to try to stop these countries, but not just russia, turkey, iran and others from grabbing americans and holding them as political leverage, political prisoners. >> right. >> people who have no business being in jails overseas. >> the brother, andrea, of one

of those citizens of paul whelan telling us this morning that it would be a wonderful thing in his view if this summit could result in some kind of a breakthrough that get his brother back home. it's significant that secretary blinken told you this is going to be on the agenda. we will talk more about this later on in the show. it's great to see you live from overseas and i know you'll be back with us in just a moment. coming up elsewhere here on the show, no guarantees. what vladimir putin has to say about the fate of opposition leader alexei navalny. we will also have reaction from mr. navalny's chief of staff. this is -- there he is "andrea mitchell reports" right here on msnbc. gives damaged hair the strength it needs. even with repeated combing hair treated with dove shows 97% less breakage. strong hair with new dove breakage remedy. hi, i'm debra. i'm from colorado. shows 97% less breakage.

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to developing news now on vladimir putin's crackdown on the opposition with the latest example, political rival and vocal critic alexei navalny

right now sitting in a russian prison after being poisoned. in that worldwide exclusive interview with nbc's keir simmons, listen to how putin refuses to say whether he can guarantee navalny will leave prison alive. >> the russian court has just outlawed organizations connected to mr. navalny, literally every non-systematic opposition figure is facing criminal charges. mr. president, it's as if dissent is simply not tolerated in russia anymore. >> translator: well, you are presenting it as dissent and intolerance toward dissent in russia and we view it differently. >> will you commit and ensure that alexei navalny will leave prison alive. >> translator: the person you have mentioned the same kind of measures will apply not in any way worse than with anybody else who happens to be in prison. >> his name is alexei navalny,

people will note -- >> translator: i don't care. i don't care. >> they would assume he will not leave prison alive. >> when he talks to president biden on wednesday. here's what he said to andrea mitchell ahead of that meeting. >> with attempt to murder mr. navalny with a chemical weapon. i don't think we will get a clear and definitive answer from one meeting and it's the start of testing the proposition whether russia seeks a more stable, predictable relationship or not. >> it's clear that russia's already taking aggressive actions even in the days leading up to the summit cracking down on navalny's opposition group, declaring them extremists. isn't that a sign that you can't have a predictable, stable relationship with vladimir putin? >> we'll see. that will play out over the next months or longer.

we're not going to know from one meeting from one day, and they're going to be clearly, here he is where there are profound differences and where we are profoundly object to what they're doing. >> back with us now live from brussels, nbc chief foreign affairs correspondent and the woman who is normally in this seat during this hour when not on nbc and not on assignment overseas. i know you'll speak to someone who knows navalny quite well. >> indeed, thanks, hallie. i am joined now by aleny volkov, chief of staff of navalny's organization. what is your reaction when you hear vladimir putin that he couldn't guarantee and would not say that he would guarantee whether alexei navalny would come out of prison alive. >> well, that is the first time in my life that i was listening to putin saying promise, that is

clearly his aim that alexei navalny stays in prison until one of the two men dies and now putin confirmed that -- that is -- we are aware of it, that's why we tried to enforce as much internal pressure and to ask for as much international pressure also to have alexei navalny released according to his decision with the european court of human rights because it will become too dangerous for him to stay there for a longer time. >> what is the practical impact of this decision just before the g7 summit to not only outlaw the organization, but label it an extremist group making it impossible for your political organization to work or participate in elections? >> well, the practical result is

exactly what you mentioned. no one who is in any way associated with our organization is now allowed to be on the ballot even for a village council, anyone who supports the organization, and there are hundreds of thousands of people are now disenfranchised for any kind of participation in the political life and that's because of the upcoming duma elections in just three months from now on the 9th of september and that's frankly also because of the stress that we have been putting on mr. putin and his call for stability. we wouldn't be doing this, completely banning the organization if we weren't aware of the facts that we could win in an election. that is why we are not on the ballot anymore. >> this is all happening after so many people turned out on the

streets months ago showing that there is internal dissent, but it was completely suppressed. what can you tell us about alexei navalny's health right now? what communications have you had about that? >> the communications right now as there are no bad news just good news given the circumstances. he has transferred back from the prison hospital. navalny has spent recovering after a hunger strike and he has a very bad rumors being labeled as a torture colony. this is the kind of of stability that's -- well, that is good news now. >> no news is good news, indeed. what are your expectations? we heard secretary blinken say

you can't expect something to happen in one meeting. so do you expect any progress, any breakthrough at all given what putin said to keir simmons and the fact that the u.s. does not expect much hope out of this meeting for alexei? >> no. i have listened carefully to secretary blinken's remarks and i spent the last week in washington meeting with different policymakers because of the upcoming summit, and i think there is one piece that secretary blinken with all due respect, getting in front. he says we don't expect to achieve much progress in this and that and there are areas where we should cooperate. i don't think it's just logical. mr. putin has violated obligations so many times, on

chemical weapons and human rights. he will have his own war and sign some new treaties on iran and on syria and on global warming, whatever it be. so i think that one can only try to press mr. putin into compliance with existing international obligations and commitments and this should be a pre-condition for entering a new relation and agreements with him, and i think that this will be made clear to mr. putin during their meeting with president biden that if he wants to be credible, he actually has to stand by his word which is to release prisoners, to investigate poisoning for alexei navalny and investigate the political organization. this, in my opinion, would be the only possible outcome of the

meeting though i'm not sure it will actually happen. >> leonid volkov, thank you so much. thanks for being with us and we hope for the best for alexei navalny in the prison camp. >> thank you. >> back to you. >> andrea, thank you so much. it is notable to hear him say that he believes vladimir putin wants alexei navalny in prison until one of them dies, essentially. that is certainly something that will come up, that overall issue between president biden and president putin. andrea, i know you will come back to us in just a second especially as we are waiting for any news from the president's meeting with the turkish president. while andrea was conducting that interview, both those leaders are in the room. we may -- may be seeing pictures from that, we're not sure then. we will bring anything to you the second that we get it as we are monitoring everything happening live overseas in brussels. that will be here on "andrea mitchell reports" and we'll be

rolling out new pieces from keir simmons with vladimir putin. next hour we'll hear kasie hunt about the january 6th insurrection at the capitol. you won't want to miss that. we have breaking news at msnbc. john demurs, a top security official at the department of justice will step down at the end of next week. officials told our own ken, that he was secretly subpoenaed to -- reporters, and the revelations about what the trump administration did with their doj have set off this political firestorm and calls of abuse of power. coming up here on the show, moral failure. former british prime minister with some tough criticism of the g7 summit. he's joining us live next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" right here on msnbc. or

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>> so we are now, we think, just about an hour away from that news conference with president biden after a very full day of meetings at the nato summit including a meeting with president erdogan of turkey. we understand that both of leaders are in the room at the time. we may be getting a live signal from that meeting some time in the next couple of minutes. if that happens, you know we'll bring it to you, but for now i want to go back to andrea who is in brussels now with another big

interview. andrea, hi there. >> thanks so much, hallie. my guest is gordon brown. former british prime minister. his new book is "seven ways to change the world," how to fix the most pressing problems we face. gordon, thank you very much for being with us. >> andrea, it's a pleasure to talk to you. >> thank you for joining us. you've been working with the u.n. on so many humanitarian issues, what is your take on the g7 and its 1 billion doses of vaccine, far from what the u.n. secretary-general have said is needed, 11 billion doses would be the minimum needed to deal with it. >> let me say, first of all, the american leadership at the g7 and president biden and mrs. biden, the first lady and it shows american leadership as irreplaceable and indispensable and i think he is the great con

sill yart and america is certainly back and as far as europe is concerned, but i think what happened at the g7 is that they agreed on initiatives so when it comes to vaccines, sending vaccines that will not be around the world and admitted to deliver a plan. a billion vaccines, yes, but we need to plan for 11 billion doses around the world and the disease will spread, it will mutate and it will hit every country including america and britain if we don't bring it under control through vaccination in the poorest countries and this is self-interest as well as a compassionate thing to do, and i do think we need to re-think what we agreed on sunday. we need a plan to vaccinate the world and there is a burden sharing agreement that was put before them and there was detailed work going on with koufax and the vaccination facility and we cannot leave this to chance. we've got to know and develop the measures that we'll get vaccinations to every country and the protective equipment and

testing that is necessary. only 1% of africa is vaccinated in the moment and it's more than 50% of america and 60% of britain, we have to do better than that, otherwise we'll have a world divided between the vaccinated and safe and the unvaccinated and unsafe and even the safe will be hurt if we don't control the problem in the poorest countries. >> so what kind of report card would you give to the g7? >> not good enough. i think -- i've shared some of these big international meetings. everybody has been involved in domestic issues for so long and they haven't met for a long time, but they didn't do enough on climate change, and they didn't do enough from the recovery of the economies throughout the world and clearly it's a moral issue about who are we going to vaccinate? we can't leave the rest of the world unvaccinated and we move to the g20 meeting in october

and cop 20 and by the time we get october or november half of these problems should be sorted out. >> let's talk about vladimir putin. you've taken the measure of him. what are the chances that the president can get what he wants which is a stable and predictable relationship with russia, with vladimir putin acting as aggressively as he has been? >> well, i find it very difficult when we find the russian administration was behind the assassination of people in our own country and we had very difficult, diplomatic issues with russia and still do as a result of what happened later when there were poisonings that seemed to be at the behest of the russian administration. so president putin, you have to be tough and you can't be soft with him, but i do think that president biden meeting with his nato colleagues will get a very clear idea that if the west is

strong, if we work together and if we are positive about what should happen in relation to the peace of the world, i actually think president biden's got a great opportunity. he wants to ban nuclear testing. he wants to stop the enrichment of uranium and plutonium which is an issue in iran that is being negotiated at the moment and i think he wants to make an initiative at some time that no country should be the first to use nuclear weapons just as reagan and gorbachev made an agreement even when they were at odds with everything else and particularly given the china problem, there is an initiative from president biden on the reduction on the dependence of nuclear weapons could be successful. i would have thought that some of this would be discussed at nato today and president biden is on record as someone that was in russia at the behest of president reagan, and he wanted to see something sorted out so that we de-escalate and stop the nuclear arms race and we stop

what is the potential for nuclear proliferation and that is a real problem in the middle east. >> should the rest of the west trust the fact that america is back as joe biden says that donald trump was an aberration in going against all of these alliances given the polarization in the united states and the growth of authoritarianism around the world? >> well, i think president biden showed by the statements he made and by his enthusiasm for multilateral corporation that he wants america to be back negotiating with other countries, the climate change agreement, a better way of coordinating and balanced economic growth and he want the g7 to support his program and his desire to build infrastructure in africa and not to leave that just to china, and yes, i think people do respect president biden, and many of them known from being vice

president and senator. he's promoted good relationships through all of the different countries of the west. no problem is easy and there will be difficulties as with germany and china and france, perhaps over some issues in the middle east and i think we have someone in place who can actually conciliate, bring people together and show that we can make progress on the big issues. remember, we have huge decisions to make in november with the cop 26 conference and there's a nuclear weapons review coming in august and of course, we've got to sort out the balance of the world economy because while america's expanding, china has done very little on fiscal policy and the europeans without being able to do enough to get the vote through a strong recovery and we need to have coordination between the different continents. >> gordon brown, former british prime minister and the author of the new book, seven ways to fix

the world -- "seven ways to change the world. how to fix the most pressing problems we face." thank you so much, gordon. very good to see you. >> andrea, what a pleasure. what a pleasure, thank you. >> and hallie, back to you. >> not a bad goal to want to fix the world, by the way. we'll be looking for more from you throughout the day on msnbc and throughout the week, too, as you're traveling with the president in europe. we are focusing on what is happening there overseas on the world stage as president biden meets with the turkish president and gets ready to take questions. these are some pictures, we should note from the turkish president's twitter page, not from u.s. reporters in the room. we'll see what those reporters have to say any minute waiting for potential live pictures there and we'll have more from keir simmons' exclusive interview with vladimir putin and the top agenda items for the summit this week. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" right here on

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some time in the next hour we expect to see president biden speaking at the nato summit answering questions from the reporters traveling with him and a lot is on his plate from china, to russia to afghanistan all while he is trying to reinstate trust with nato after four tumultuous, you could say, years with president trump. with me is the anchor of this program, andrea mitchell and also joining us bbs washington anchor catty kay and deputy national security adviser during the obama administration and author of "being the fall." andrea, let me start with you. we are looking at the president between president biden and president erdogan and both leaders are in the room, as we speak. if the putin summit wasn't taking so much of the oxygen this would be significant given the relationship developed over

the past four years with president trump and president erdogan and the posture toward turkey and there are significant issues. i'm thinking of the only other time president biden spoke with president erdogan which was to tell him he would recognize the armenian genocide as such officially and formally. talk to us about the issues on the plate in this instance. >> well, it's been an icy relationship to say the least. they didn't talk and no congratulatory call after the election and no outreach frommed by tone erdogan until that decision on the anniversary of that horrible genocide to call him and say that the united states was finally going to recognize it as genocide, the massacre, and that was an unwelcome call, and he did not -- erdogan, interestingly did not erupt because he needs the united states, too. he's had his own economic issues, but he's pushing forward, we believe, with the

purchase of s-4 anti-missile defense from russia which as a nato member is pretty awful. he has the relationship. joe biden as vice president had a really frosty meeting. he was there with erdogan a number of years ago when he was vice president and erdogan was demanding the u.s. turn over a cleric who has been exiled from turkey, went from turkey under fear of being assassinated or imprisoned. he lives in pennsylvania in the pocono mountains. erdogan was demanding the vice president turn him over where god knows what would have happened to him. biden faced off with erdogan saying, we have a system of justice. the white house does not interfere on extradition matter or anything else with justice department. that's up to the attorney general. it's up to our laws.

we are a system of laws. it was a very bad relationship when biden was vice president. whether or not they can work things out right now, what's critical, most critical is turkey is working with the u.s. on trying to get humanitarian aid past russia to those syrian refugees on the other side of the border. >> an issue i know that you know well. we are watching for more news coming out of that one on one, we have the nato summit communique. there's a focus on china's military ambitions, describing china as a, quote, challenge, that the alliance needs to address together. i wonder how you see that. >> this was the alliance set up primarily to focus on russia. now there is fairly broad agreement amongst the nato members that china is increasingly not just an economic threat to the rest of the world but potentially also a military threat. the real concern amongst nato

members in my reporting is this fear that there could be more and more of a strategic alliance between russia and china, something that vladimir putin himself has not actually ruled out. the russians and chinese have been conducting war games together. they have been chinese naval vessels in the mediterranean. the chinese have a base on the horn of africa. that's causing concern as well. a growing awareness that china represents potentially not just an economic threat but a military threat. perhaps more agreement amongst the nato members about the need to start recognizing that than there was even at the g7 on the need for the economic threat. the french export to china. the germans export to china. they are concerned about china's growing military presence around the world. >> you talk about this issue of

a united front, not just on china but russia, too. can you give us more of the 30,000 foot view. president biden has been using this trip overseas to say, hey, we have your back to our allies. a bit of a different message, frankly, than what we have seen from last four years under formal president trump, particularly with that, i think fair to say fraught relationship with nato. how do you think president biden is doing on that mission so far? what do you expect to hear from him in the next hour on the ground there? >> he wants america to be familiar again, to reaffirm the basics. we have your back. we're going to uphold our commitments to collective defense. there's this question of what is the future of nato. the afghanistan mission dominated a lot of the nato summits over the years. then there's increasing focus on china and cybersecurity. to your point about russia, that is what is most pressing on the minds of particularly each european nato allies.

they see ukraine and georgia, two countries that had membership action plans, not formal invitations to nato, but relationships with nato that could have led to membership, russia invaded and occupied both of those countries. if you are looking at the eastern nato allies, they want reassurance from the united states, they want nato military presence increased in their countries. that's been a steady progression. at the same time, the biden team wants to globalize this conversation and talk about a rising china threat, talk about the need to do more to promote cybersecurity, that original purpose of nato, keeping europe safe from the potential russian invasion is also front and center. biden is walking a tightrope. he is having to reassure those allies that when he sits down with vladimir putin in geneva, he will deliver a tough message, not the kind of conciliatory message that president trump did. >> when you look ahead, what's going to happen, less than 48 hours from now, with this sitdown with president biden and

president putin, both leaders have agreed, based on that exclusive interview with keir simmons, the relationship is the lowest in years. how do you begin to build a relationship or at least lay down a floor, if you will, to use a term i know ben has used. how do you do that given what we know the view is from these two leaders going into this thing? i have 35 seconds left. >> i think the key here for the american side is just that this doesn't escalate further. there's some window of opportunity if it's true the president feels he wants to reign back some of the attacks, at least that's somewhere they could begin to negotiate. it's at a really low ebb. the trick is to not let it fall further down. >> i'm glad to have you both here for your analysis and perspective on not just a big and important day but a big and important week as it relates to

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♪♪ welcome to "meet the press daily." i'm kasie hunt in for chuck todd. in brussels, we are expecting to see president biden hold a press conference any minute now after a day of meetings with allies at today's nato summit. some relationships are rockier than others. that includes relations with turkey. president biden's meeting with president erdogan was one of the last things on his schedule before today's planned press conference. for the white house, there's an added layer of urgency surrounding the discussions, not just because of china or the american withdrawal from afghanistan. these meetings are also in a way preparation for that high steaks face-to-face meeting with