good morning. any minute now president bide listen arrive in geneva. you will watch it live here when he lands less than 24 hours before he is set to confront his russian counterpart. what sources are tells us about what it is like inside of the president's putin prep. a back here in washington, top house democrats huddling this morning hashing out their next move to investigate the deadly january 6th attack on the capital. we're live with one democrat on how they plan to move forward. we have a lot of action for you on this tuesday morning. i'm joined now by monica alba, chief foreign affairs correspondent, along with evelyn

farcus. ladies, let's get going here. set the stage for us. i know you have new reporting from sources about the president's prep ahead of his arrival in je knee va which we expect to see happen live at this hour. >> likely right now as he heads to je knee va he is continuing to study. question know he is taking this very seriously in the words of one person familiar with his preparations. this is a president that is not going to be winging it when he meets with putin here tomorrow for several hours. we do know before he left the white house for europe that he huddled with about 10 outside experts. people who are intimately familiar with how putin operates. some of those who worked for former president obama and were russian ambassadors. people like michael mcfall who

has been in the room and knows what it is like to come face to face with putin. so we know that president biden wanted to talk to these advisors, get some advice, and it's not just from them he is seeking input. we also know at the g 7, at the nato and eu summits surveying the world leaders and he is asking them for their thoughts. he said of all of those he spoke with, he thanked them for holding the talks tomorrow. we don't have a good idea yet of the exact foreformat. he is looking for areas of cooperation and he is making clear what his red lines are and that he is not looking for conflict with russia, but if

president putin continues some of his activity president biden says he is not going to hesitate to let him know that the u.s. will respond in kind. >> monica, thank you for that, andrea, let me bring you in here. when you look at how the white house is talking about expectations publicly, i think it is a fair thing to say that they're really downplaying them, what are sources telling you about the private expectations and what have you learned as you have been on assignment overseas. >> well, the fact is they're downplaying expectations, low balling, if you will, as they would do going into any such meeting. especially one of this importance. the truth is that is what their expectations are. they really think that putin may well be coming in to just play his persona of being whataboutism. his talking points, january 6th,

george floyd, black lives matter, trying to equate that to the arrest of alexi navalny. putin will come in with all of that. they have seen that, they know the predicate of what donald trump did, which was to agree with vladimir putin's denials of election interference, cyber hacking, and the like. they have to figure out how to not get bogged down in that. i think there is a chance. i think it is very experienced, an arms control negotiator going back decades from my administrations that her involvement in that prep tells you a lot. there is something they could build on. they have a new agreement, and

the fact is they could come out of that with something positive on arms control. there is also an indication that it could be an extended meeting that could go well beyond. there are hints that it could staid over. stay over it could be another night involved. >> even and of course it all depends on what happens. i'm just saying they're preparing for nearly everything and they may be adding some things to the president's agenda in meetings that are taking place today. >> evelyn, let me bring you into the conversation here. evelyn, to andrea's point, people who know that the scenario is the best case scenario for the president is an

error-free summit. evelyn, is that really it? error free? that's the bar here? >> okay, well that is like the public, how the public should perceive it. we have to remember that the reason this meeting is taking place is because the invitation was extended to vladimir putin when he had amassed his forces on the ukrainian border. he was blockading the black sea. and he would not let alexi navalny who was on death's door, to go to the hospital. we have achieved something because navalny is alive. i think what comes out is president biden will deliver the

message that accelerating, reckless russian foreign policy that including all of the things you have reported on, right? all of the way to these ranso ransomware. they're holding americans without any just cause. and so the list goes on, right? so the reality is that if president biden can make it clear to president putin that there is consequences for ongoing behavior we can reestablish the deterrents. i don't think it is going to happen and on arms control sure they say they'll talk with us. it is part of tells us why the military doctrine is dangerous. but the reality is that i don't

think those things are going to really happen. >> we're going to talk more about putin biden then versus putin and biden now. but when you look at the way that past presidents dealt with putin, there is different strategies. they talked about bill clinton's relationship with putin was short and flat. george w bush saw him as an ally, but misjudged his soul. barack obama hoped for a reset but then ended up in sanctions. and donald trump really looking to, curry putin's favor with this tit for tat sanctions. what is your sense of what president biden can learn from his predecessors? >> certainly not to cave in. not to really do what donald trump did and accept putin's

explanations of everything. to be tough, that is the bottom line. and we can see that going in, you saw that in the president's news conference yesterday. you can read what he is planning to say and do. not have a joint news conference. all of the advisors saying don't do that. he placed the camera the day before, he said i'm not competing. i don't want to compete for that kind of television audience. i want to tell you exactly what happened and not become part of this competition so he has been upstaged as he him. so he is doing what president obama did, president obama did not look for enough windows that could have been opened with

vladimir putin. >> evelyn, quick final thoughts to you. >> i would say that president obama did try hard and that is part of the program. i think that president biden learned from president obama and all of the other predecessors that you have to be firm and ready to ratchet sanctions. there is a lot of space in there. that's the only way to go with the kremlin. maybe find common ground on transactiona thinks. >> on your way to you where you are as we speak. thank you for your reporting. we're going to be watching that landing live as president biden arrives in switzerland for that highly anticipated face to face. they criticizes the republican

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over in the house we may get new reporting from the room of nancy pelosi and her chairs discussing their next moves. they may try to modify the commission bill that failed in the senate or form a select committee or let committees conduct investigations themselves or have one committee chair to take the lead. that meeting coming just hours ahead of a couple key hearings with the insurrection. but you know who will not be in the room? the acting capitol police chief who declined the invitation. they called the invite a last minute add that conflicted with the other hearing that involved

bolten. joining me now to talk about this and other breaking news is robin kelly of illinois, a member, of course, of that committee. good morning and thank you for being on the show. >> good morning to you. >> of course, let me pick up on what we talked about regarding the acting capital police chief. james comer is accusing her of avoiding democrats. what's your position on that? >> well, i'm going to take her for her word. she said that thee could not come today and from my understanding thee has been cooperative and she said she will come at another time. so i'm going to believe her. >> okay, and we'll see when we hear from her again. let me also get your expectations from the meeting betweenspeaker pelosi and the meeting chairs. how soon might you expect a

decision of the chair. >> hopefully before we leave on thursday we'll have our marching orders and we'll know what way to go. >> would you like to see a select committee in would you prefer to see one committee? >> i wish that the senate would have passed what was sent over there. that was, you know, bipartisan, independent, but they didn't do that, so whatever we can do as close to that as possible. so whatever comes out of that will be believed and not criticized. that's what i would like to see. >> let me ask about another headline coming out of your committee. it's new documents from the oversight committee showing how former president trump tried to pressure his doj leadership to investigate the results. in one instance, having his

assistant, for example, e-mail then deputy ag rosen even before bill barr had stepped down. this is right around, you know, middle of december when states were certifying election results. i want to talk to you about this. the committee is now requesting interviews from people involved, former officials, including former chief of staff mark meadows. how far is your committee willing to take those subpoenas. are you prepared for subpoenas if need be? >> yes, we need to investigation this fully. this is another threat to our democracy. this is horrible that the president uses these people in this manner and also, i know he was the boss, but they should have spoken up. we should not have had to find out about this in this manner. it is absolutely horrible that this happened. >> so you blame, then, just as much as the former president some of the officials whom he

was pressuring, am i understanding that right? >> yes, i mean i have a staff and hopefully if i ask my staff to do something they know is not the right thing to do they will speak up to me. or they will go above my head. i know there is no above the president's head, but they will go to someone for help, not just go along with the program with something they know is not right. >> were you surprised when you saw some of the documents your committee obtained? >> yes, i know president trump has done some unbelievable things, but but we're still figuring out things he did. i'm still using it. >> the new york times reports that mr. rosen is currently in the process of negotiating for a single interview.

do you want a status update? he was obviously someone who was a key part of these discussions. >> i'm sorry to say i don't have a status update on where we are with that. >> i assume he is someone you want to hear from? >> yes, anyone that has been involved and touched by this. >> before i let you go, at what point do these requests for interviews turn into legal action, subpoenas, and forcing the hand? >> i think if we meet continuous resistance we'll have to take it a step further. >> like in a month or two months? >> it depends. with these committees you don't ever know how long it will take, but we give people a chance to come forward, to be witnesses at

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and the world is watching all of this including the guests and reporters with us now. our chief foreign correspondent.

shannon, let me go to you on this. this sets up the first face to face meeting between president biden and president putin in ten years. joe biden was not the president at that time, but there has been so much that has changed since then, and that is something that you have been looking into. >> the putin that biden sits across from the table of now is a different leader from the one he sat across from in 2011. if you think of some of the events you have the annexing of crimea. there are numerous companies and government agency that's have been hacked into. of course there is increased aggression at home by putin against his own political

disedense. he clearly sees him at war with the west. when you hear president biden talking about what he hopes to get out of the meeting we're not talking about a grand reset like we heard under the obama add -- administration. >> talk about this "stable and predictable relationship that president biden repeatedly said he is looking for with vladimir putin. you covered russia and putin for years now. that's not really what putin is looking for, is that fair to say? >> he sees a historic grievance that he wants to connect.

that was an injustice that the united states treated russia unfairly, pushing the soviet union aside and not allowing it to rebuild. he has been trying to rebuild that russian empire ever since, we have see crimea, threaten neighbors, and he wants recognition that russia is once again a super power. and they are meeting here in geneva, and it will be shortly. this is neutral territory and this is at the end of the first foreign trip. i know it is very different and it is kigt that it is coming at the end. first he wanted to meet with democracies and show solidarity. that he wanted to meet with nato countries. the world's biggest military alliance to set up and confront the soviet union. at the tail end of the trip is

the message they're trying to project that he will meet with vladimir putin. they want to show this is something that the president has to do on his way home after he is met with the nato alliance there is so much time investigating and talking about russia and the united states. i think that president biden wants to move on, but vladimir putin does not. he likes to be talked about, he likes russia to be at the center of the world's attention and wants it to be seen if not as an equal, then something close.

>>. >> there is a number of officials. i will tell you we don't have that much insight into how things are going tomorrow. they are indicating there is a lot of decisions made. we don't know and we know that whatever happens, the president does plan to leave at the end of the day on wednesday. >> i want to bring you in here, former foreign policy advisor, managing director of the biden center for policy and global engagement. you have known the president for many years. you know him and russia. we talked about how folks say best case scenario might be a summit. they talked about the setting of a floor in the relationship with vladimir putin. what do you think the

expectations should be, or any deliverables should be. we wait to see him emerge coming in a second. >> i think this is not a meeting geared towards deliverables. this is a meeting that comes after three very important meetings with our closest democratic allies with the g 7, nato, and the eu friends. it is showing strength and unity. the primary purpose here is for the purpose to convey to president in no uncertain terms how the united states will defend our interests going forward. i think shannon was correct when she noted that to a certain extend the u.s. and russia are engaged in a war. it is covert, but there is

constant jockeying back and forth on the one hand setting in place a dialogue for stra seeingic stability. this is conventional weapons of mass destruction. and also, very importantly, it is about cyber attacks, dark money, and other operations that could get out of control and escalate. it is important for a strategic

dialogue and how they defend the interests at the sub strategic level. >> there is two families here hoping for more to come out of the discussion, two families of imprisoned americans in russia. they say they are sham evidence and sham trials. there is new audio know of paul wheeland leading with president biden to bring it to a speedy resolution here. i know you covered this in the past, what are the prospects for those families who, this week, told us they don't care how their loved ones get out of russia, they just want them out, whether or not that means a prisoner swap.

>> these are things on the thing that's will be doing with this. they found evidence on a flash drive, they found evidence on a flash drive suggesting they were engaged in me in nefarious activities. when they get down to that level it is hard to know. these talks are scheduled, not really scheduled, but they're expected to last several hours. those are the kind of card that's you can put on the table. if there is a deadlock. if the two are not seeing eye to eye on macro issues, russia's

position in the world, crimea, will it attack crimea, perhaps they could make progress from the states perspective, minor issues. but from the family's perspective immensely important issues to get loved ones out of russia, accused, they say, on false charges. here i can say that security is very tight. there is meritime patrols. lots of police and foot soldiers. uniformed officers, some of them carrying weapons. so it is certainly not a tense environment, but this is a city that hosted many diplomatic events in the past and has been neutral territory for a long time. once again it is being used as neutral territory, but security is tight and obviously, yes, for those family that's would be an immense deliver rabble to see their loved ones delivered home. >> we're watching, of course,

air force one. no movement yet from president biden as he gets off of the plane. the members of the press pool here, under the wider shot, under the wing, perhaps he would take comments or questions. we're waiting here to see the president's vehicle there stationed in front of air force one. we have been talking about the risks for president biden here. what about the risks for president putin back home in moscow? >> i dais agree with the notion that some said this is a high stakes summit. i think as i said earlier it is an opportunity for the united states to convey how they will defend their interests.

it will be important for them to do this face to face. certain things can be to be able to tell him how certain actions russia is under taking today could impact their security going forward and how we will take actions to ensure that our interests are defended. that is very important as well as consequences and costs imposed for hostile actions. i don't see any real downside risk here. some said they will spin the meeting at home as if he is an equal, but president putin spins everything at home. he says his covid response is fantastic, that the economy is doing well, he is fighting

corruption, but that's clearly nonsense. he will spin this, yes, but i don't they is necessarily a victory for president putin. >> we are watching here he is just landing, and that came to the forefront in the last 24 hours when the president was talking about former president trump, the republican party, and house speaker mccarthy took real exception to that. how is the white house thinking about and handling this intersectionalty that they have to deal with when they're traveling overseas?

>>. >> this has been a whirlwind trip and it's hard to they are speaking with democrats later today, but this is really the core of biden's domestic agenda, his hopes for more on families, and education spending plan, he has a real limited window that he need it's to happen this summer. there is a wide expectation that democrats will lose the house and there, of course, will go any chance of them getting through legislation. so while there is all of this focus on this putin summit,

that's where the agenda really hangs in the balance. even on the foreign policy front, we have heard so much talk about russia but the president has tried to get more attention on china and he has been pushing g 7 leaders. so as much as we're talking. >> what is your sense of how vladimir putin might try to, he is taking off the sun glasses, walking down the stairs, being greeted by a number of swiss officials before he goes to where he will be overnighting ahead of that meeting that we have been talking about here, that is tomorrow. the press pool traveling with the president is too far away to hear anything over the motor of air force one. over the sound of the engine there, but we are seeing

president biden greeting o officials. they just interviewed one of the people saying it is an innocent victim. and it might try to be political divisions against the president here. >> that is an indication of how russia has been doing this, playing this, this is an old tactic going back to the days of the soviet union. when there is a major problem in the united states, russia points to it to deflect, deflect, and deflect again. when it criticized russia for treatment of political disidense.

when the united states criticizes russia about navalny they point to black lives matter. it's always about deflection and what aboutism. you ask russia about it's domestic policy and it says what about the situation in the united states. who are you to point fingers of blame. president biden's main message on this is trying to unify the democratic world. unify america's allies to confront china and to a lesser degree to confront russia and russia is going to point to january 6th to many things that happened under the trump administration to say the united states foundation to claim that it is the backbone of democracy and saying it is not as strong as it claims.

i think there will be quite a bit of what aboutism. >> president biden, aviators on as he walks over. it looks like he will not be walking over. you see the president getting into the beast now, getting into for, listen, a critical 24 hours. president biden met with dignitaries, he is touching down as part of his first overseas trip. knowing him and what he heard from his wife that he over prepared for this summit, share insights on what you think might be going through his mind. how might he be approaching this? >> don't forget that he has extensive decades of experience dealing with world leaders not necessarily as president, but he stood face to face with the

president of serk ya in the darkest days of human rights abuses in serk ya. and said things very frankly and plainly that few other politicians have been able to do in that situation. being back in the u.s. soviet period, in the gulf war. then snth senator biden met there, so he has deep expertise, and as you say, he, i think, has overprepared for the meeting which means he talked to his staff extensively. he has a range of opinions of how they think putin will approach this meeting so he is prepared and so he can deliver his message most effectively. that's what this is really all about. it's not so much about deliver

deliverables. the prisoners in russia, there is a discussion of alexi navalny. fundamentally this is about conveying expectations for how russia will behave and what will happen if russia continues to engage in hostile actions. a lot of the things we have seen including the ransomware attacks, and other active measures against them. they can assure in the future that there is less scope for misunderstanding about how we will approach the contentious issues. >> can you give us a sense, i

know he has other meetings, right? >> yes, yes he does, he will be meeting with some swiss officials this evening, and he is expected to have some down time. and when you talk about preparations, we were told that president biden had a meeting beforehand, and as you were discussing, you know, make sure that he has a sense of how putin will react so he can clearly convey that message. he has some down time to work on

this. >> we have some layout from the expected meeting tomorrow. this is significant because we had a lot of questions about timing and who would be in the room and how this would go down. we are now getting some answers. i'm going to lay out what is expected with the cautionary know that things could change. vladimir putin is set to arrive in geneva at 1:00 local time, that's about 7:00 eastern time back here in washington, you're going to see all of this unfolding live here on msnbc. president biden will arrive after that and for the first part of the meeting you will have more principals or an additional person. we know president bide listen bring secretary state tony blinken. each slide have a translator and we expect to see some of that meeting. that is part one. after this there will be after

the meeting finishes, there will be a press conference from vladimir putin solo. then a press conference from president biden solo, and this is all expected to last somewhere in the neighborhood of four to five hours. we will be on the air for it all. richard and shannon, i really want to get your sense of this. much was made, i think, of the last putin summit that we covered together which was president trump. the idea that the two of them had time together. not a lot known about what they said with on the translators in the room. now we know who else will be in the discussions between president biden and president putin, richard. >> the context is also completely different. there was a lingers suspicion that president trump was somehow

beholden to vladimir putin. that he had a compromise on him. he had the ability to blackmail him. that was the overarching theme, and then president trump didn't take many actions to dissuade those rumors. he was constantly giving putin the benefit of doubt. and they say that putin said it never happened and i believe him. so it was a very different context when that meeting looed conspiratorial. they didn't want anyone to know what they were talking about. now we have a five hour series of talks with the secretaries of state there next to them.

and other advisors joining them. it's a different context, a different kind of meeting, and i think we're going to see a different kind of outcome. that meeting also ended with a very chummy joint press conference in which president trump was laughing and was engaging and talking to vladimir putin. >> i was in the room, it was wild, yeah. >> giving him time. we're certainly not going to see that this time, i get there was negotiation of who would do the first press conference. the fact that president biden got the second press conference shows that the u.s. wasn't willing to cave on some of those lo logistics. the u.s. moved on from the cold war. the u.s. defeated the soviet union, but russia never really moved on. for vladimir putin the cold war

is something that he is still dealing with. that he wants to recover from. that russia never was able to get over the humiliation of the cold war. now the united states wants to move into a more cold war russi reclaiming past glory, reclaiming past position. and then don't forget one other thing which is the personal position of vladimir putin. some call him the richest man in the world. he's accused the democrats, he's accused specifically hillary clinton, of trying to overthrow him. he wants to stay in power. so he has russia's interests at heart but also vladimir putin's interests at heart. and he has been cracking down on dissidents in a major way. there were new laws passed in russia effectively making him president for life, so there is the putin president of russia, and there is putin who wants to defend what putin has. >> a newsy 25 minutes or so on

"msnbc reports." we learned when vladimir putin will arrive tomorrow. when you will see the coverage of the summit unfold. for now expected likely based on the timing we're getting from senior white house officials between around 7:00 a.m. and maybe noon, although likely later given that this thing, many experts say, will probably go longer than is slotted for. in the room for the first part of the meeting president biden, president putin, tony blinken, sergey lavrov. i want to thank you for being here as all of this has unfolded. we have so much more to cover here on msnbc, and we also have more on the show from foreign affairs to concerns about domestic terrorism. the fbi just out with a new warning for lawmakers over more threats of violence from online conspiracy theorists. next up, why they are sounding the alarm. ben collins joins us after the break. break. [lazer beam and sizzling sounds]

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there's an urgent new warning on qanon this morning with the fbi and homeland security saying some followers of this bananas conspiracy theory, many involved in the capitol insurrection, could target democrats and other political opponents for more violence. it comes as out of the white house you have the first ever national strategy for countering domestic terrorism, a new plan to try to beef up what the federal government is doing in response to this, something virtually every law enforcement agency says is not a new threat but something that's just grown over the last few years. let's bring in two of our best on these beats, nbc's ben collins, national security correspondent ken dilanian. you're talking about this warning about potential real world violence from qanon followers. that's exactly what this strategy is hoping to demobilize. >> yeah. i mean, in this report it talks about the shift from digital soldiers to real world conflict. now digital soldiers is an

expression coined by mike flynn, a big qanon guy who is an ally and talked about needing to fight this big culture war over the next few years. but qanon has unraveled. the secret government insider who is allegedly at the center of this thing who isn't really a government insider, by the way, hasn't posted in over six months. so as people start to realize they got conned here, they're going to find rationalizations around that and that is what this talks about, talks about the idea while they lose hope other groups come in. they say domestic violent extremist organizations have tried to recruit people who lost hope in qanon but want to fight the same battles. hey, the world is run by these satanic cannibals and something, something tony fauci and all of this but don't want to give up the ghost on that and want to radicalize them. that's what white supremacist groups have dialed in to go and

recruit the people. >> ken, there's no real bill yet, right, planned to enact some of the strategy on countering domestic terrorism. this is the plan to make the plan, it seems. >> that's a smart way to put it. one thing that's missing from this strategy is any proposal to create a domestic terrorism law that creates criminal penalties for domestic terrorism. no one who has been charged in the capitol riot has been charged with being a terrorist because that doesn't exist right now in u.s. domestic law and essentially the biden administration has punted that decision to the justice department. they're going to study it further. with what this strategy would do is ask the fbi to place a greater focus on the problem of domestic terrorism and is asking the department of homeland security to take a harder look at what some domestic extremists are saying on social media, which is controversial, hallie, and essentially it's a whole of government approach to sort of

elevate the issue of domestic terrorism. the greatest terrorist threat to the united states. >> ben, we've had you on the show a lot over the last few years talking about the issue of conspiracy theories of qanon, et cetera. former president trump, you know, is not riding a unicorn back into office this summer. it's not going to happen. what is your sense as you follow the fever swamps of the internet on these qanon adherence? >> qanon has exploded. it didn't die off. it went all over the place. >> you don't mean exploded like got bigger, it went into different pieces, right? it spun off into a bunch of different things? >> the shrapnel has infected different forms of extremists and conspiracy theorists. a lot of them have shifted into just raw anti-semitism.

anti-semitic accounts saying the pandemic is a cover for the great reset, another conspiracy theory they believe in. some have shifted to just, like i was saying, white supremacy, groups in the aftermath of 6 did a deep dive trying to get them deeply involved in their movement that has existed for decades and decades. so they're picking up stragglers, i would say, of a lost movement. there are people still waiting around for the next q post and it's been six months now. but largely it has been folded in to much larger and crazier conspiracy theories about the pandemic. >> is that scarier for officials working on trying to combat that? >> the top of that memo is basically saying, look, this is not against the law. you can say crazy stuff on the

internet. this is the united states. you can do that. and that's how -- the reason it's scarier is you can say all of that stuff and the line is blurry, and you can dog whistle until the point you're rushing the capitol. and that's exactly what happened on the 6th. it's a difficult intelligence issue. >> ben collins, thank you for staying on top of the story. i want to thank ken dilanian as well for his reporting this hour. thanks to all of you for joining us on this rock 'n' roll ride this hour of "hallie jackson reports." tomorrow a very big morning. we will be with you all morning long, special coverage on "msnbc reports." we'll be joined by our co-anchors, our best reporters on these beats, our analysts and experts talking through a critical moment for president biden. right now our coverage continues as we speak. good tuesday morning, everybody. we have a lot going on this morning. the countdown is on.