it's good to be with you. i am jeff bennett. as we come on the air, it's touchdown geneva. president biden has a meeting with vladimir putin less than 24 hours away. this afternoon nbc news is learning new details about the intense preparation behind the scenes and what president biden plans to raise. here's how it all set to go down. the two leaders will meet over several hours at a swiss video overlooking lake geneva, and there will be two sessions, including one meeting with four people, biden, putin, russian foreign minister and the secretary. biden intends to confront putin on human rights abuses and

election interference, and nothing is being left to chance, we're told. after all, president biden is walk into a meeting with a former colonel of the kgb, and when asked if ready for the meeting with putin, biden was succinct. days before departing for europe the president was briefed at the white house by a who's who of russia experts. the group also included former ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul, and arms control expert rose gutmiller that will join me live in a moment. axios reports this. during the briefing the assembled experts broadly agreed on the approach biden should talk, less talk leaving no doubt

for putin on where biden stands. and some beg to question, is the putin prep already being put to use. >> he's bright. he's tough. i have found that he's, as they say, when you used to play ball, a worthy adversary. >> joining us is andrea mitchell, who is in geneva, and michael crowley, and a forter nato department general, and then also the author of the book, surviving autocracy. that last bit of sound on biden, he is bright, he's tough, he's a worthy adversary, and when i heard that it struck me as strategic heading into the

summit being that he has also called putin a killer. what was your read on those comments? >> absolutely. i agree with you. he's preparing for this, knowing he's going in and telling us at nato and g7 he knows he will be tough, and rose knows everything about arms control and knows more about this than i do, and they could come out of this as strategic framework, and arms control is a very different thing than what i was coveringing it in the '80s with reagan, and they were figuring out all kinds of defense systems that gorbachev wanted to outlaw. these are very hard to verify and control and even more difficult to control than in the

'80s and '90s, and you are dealing with a former kgb man, and the way he tries to keep people off, it's to keep people waiting, and he kept obama waiting and secretary kerry for hours, and putin is arriving first and meeting with the swiss leaders first, and then president biden will then join putin and will obviously figure out when the meeting is to start, and there are a number of ways the president can play this. one of the important things that all of the people advising him and telling him to do, is not to have a joint press conference. there were not before back when soviet leaders -- before gorbachev was meeting with

ronald reagan, and there's no reason to do what happened in helsinki, because he is a showman, and what joe biden said at the g7 to the press is i don't want to get into a competition about who can show off more, and i am paraphrasing, who can play more to the cameras. that's what not he needs to do, he needs to come out afterwards no matter how long it goes, and say what he wants to say to the american press and to the world about how it went, how he rebutted putin's assertions about january 6th and how he's not an autocrat and he's not responsible for what happens to navalny, and show america and the world exactly how you can stand up to vladimir putin. >> andrea mitchell, thanks for the great insights in your reporting. i understand you have to go to a briefing now. but i want to turn to you on the

point that andrea raised on the issue of arms control. you wrote a piece not too long ago for politico, and you said as the lead negotiator of the treaty, i have advice for them, keep it simple. on that issue, how can president biden based on your deep experience best set his arms control team up for success following this meeting? >> i think andrea had it right, that what they are focusing on at the summit meeting is the process and how to get the process right so they can start negotiating a follow-up to the new treaty that runs out in five years and they want to start discussions on strategic stability talks. on these emerging and disruptive technologies that andrea mentioned, there are so many challenges to the strategic nuclear deterrents today, and so much challenge when you are

talking about weapons of mass destruction and they come from things like the possibility of cyber attacks on our nuclear command in control, and it's important that our two countries have serious successions about maintaining a sustainable and predictable relationship where those weapons are concerned. the best thing the president can do to set the teams up for success is to be clear and saw succinct to begin the stability talks, you need to have substance and you also need to focus on what the deadline is going to be. i want to ensure that you have new deadlines clear that we want results, and nothing big on substance. no big agreement. >> no deliverables expected from this sit-down. what about putin's side of

things? how is he likely preparing for this? take us inside his brain. >> well, to question even the fact that the summit is happening is already a win for him. his entire foreign policy is domestic, and it's intended to demonstrate that he is taken seriously and he can throw his weight around. there's very little that biden can say that will in any way scare putin, upset putin. but he can come back and show that he and president biden declined to meet with the president of ukraine before meeting with putin, and he can say he got some confessions out of president biden which is likely we see things going in that direction. there were signs that it's possible they will come to an agreement about mutual

extradition treaties. biden said it's possible the united states will extradite people that russia believes has committed crimes against russia, and that's terrifying to those dissidents. there will be a pipeline that will be a lifeline financially and politically, geopolitically for russia and the united states is not exerting the necessary pressure on that, so putin is going in this in a beneficial position for himself, and particularly because whenever you have a good faith actor on one side and the bad faith actor on the other, the bad faith actor is in a position to win. >> interesting point. michael crowley, after the meeting, there will be no joint news conference, no repeat of what we saw when trump stood

next to putin and then stood up for him. the president has downplayed any deliverables coming from the meeting, and how much agreement and cooperation might there be, though? >> right. i think that will be a big part of the emphasis for president biden's press conference. let's just back up for one second. vladimir putin knows, i think pretty well what it is that the u.s. doesn't want him to do, you know, and president biden will communicate that privately probably in somewhat firmer language than we have seen, but the idea that these guys have to sit down in geneva to make clear to him that we want the ransomware attacks to stop, and we don't want him to interfere in american democracy, and we want some sort of peaceful resolution in eastern ukraine. putin understands this stuff, so biden will deliver a somewhat

firmer message in private and he may be more specific about how america is prepared to punish russia in these cases. i think there's no great mystery here. maybe the more interesting conversation will be the areas of cooperation where you get into the details. where rose points this out, the new start treaty was renewed almost immediately after president biden came in, and runs for about five more years, and biden officials are interested in exploring whether that would be extended for a longer period of time. there you start to get into interesting questions about how china might factor into this, but i think this is probably a little premature for this conversation. climate is another big one. russia is a nontrivial contributor to greenhouse gases, and i think that president biden wants to try to get putin's cooperation for the climate summit coming up at the end of the year, and, you know, there

are some other places where the u.s. could work with russia, for instance, president biden is keen to opening a humanitarian aid route into syria, and the russians have been opposed to that, and it's something the united states made a big deal about at the united nations, and that's something that is not going to get huge headlines but the biden administration sees that as an important humanitarian goal and something that would be worth getting into the nitty gritty with. that might be the most interesting part of this and won't be as dramatic in the press conference afterwards, and it won't be as dramatic as biden appearing next to putin when things could go off the rails, and that's something to watch closely, the areas of cooperation. >> rose, what about that, functionally, practically, how does that work? putin can be a foe, where they

are responsible for interfering not once or twice in our elections, and on the other hand we could potentially work with them on climate, on afghanistan, on containing iran's nuclear ambitions? how does that work on a practical level? >> well, i can speak to our nuclear arms control history, and that is from the height of the cold war we have been able to compartmentalize getting on handle on the nuclear weapons, because they are a threat to the globe. we are focused on trying to eliminate nuclear weapons despite the fact that, well, ronald reagan, for one called the soviet empire an evil empire yet continued to work in a particular area, so when both countries have an interest in an

issue, they can work to make progress, nevertheless, and at the same time it's a tricky business. you are walking a fine line because you also want to make clear that you do not approve of certain kinds of behavior. there will be -- there are going to be, you know, punishments for certain kinds of behaviors, and sanctions are well in place already for some of the cyber attacks going on, and that's an example of how far we have been able to go in terms of trying to extract some economic -- some economic pain from the russians, trying to inflict some economic pain on them, and that's not always so successful, but nevertheless we try and make sure that we are being tough where we need to be tough, and also working in areas where we have mutual interests to make progress. >> my thanks to awful you for starting us off this hour. coming up next, there are two hearings on the capitol riot this hour. democrats face the question, if

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the biden administration release add new strategy today to combat domestic extremism and it includes changes to elevate the government's response with our own borders, and late this morning attorney general merrick garland addressed this new strategy and said the fbi believes the greatest threat comes from white nationalist extremists. >> in the fbi's view, the top

domestic violence extremist threat comes from racially or ethnically motivated violent extremist, especially those that advocate for the superiority of the white race. >> nbc news obtained an unclassified government report warning of the growing threat of the qanon conspiracy theory, suggesting some supporters could begin accepting the legitimacy of violent action. joining me is pete williams, and i understand as you sat down with the dhs secretary about the new domestic terror strategy. tell us what he told you? >> one of the messages he and attorney general merrick garland put out here, yes they want to look more at what is causing these violent ideologies either in government or racially or ethnically focused, but they don't want to focus on groups or

ideologies but the potential for violence. >> what we do is we identify and analyze narratives that are perpetuated on social media. we see trends and potentially language with respect to a drive to violence, and we push that out to our state local tribal territory partners. what we are very focused on is the identification and dissemination of real-time actionable information. >> the government was criticized for not doing more of that leading up to the capitol riots because many people were saying there was you lots of material on social media about the potential violence for the capitol that never managed to get to some of the decision

makers in washington, jeff. >> pete williams, thanks as always for that latest reporting. right now on capitol hill the house is holding two separate hearings on january's insurrection, and capitol police inspector is testifying in front of the house administration committee about the law enforcement response to the insurgency, and the house oversight city is holding a hearing on unanswered questions surrounding the riot, with christopher rae. nancy pelosi held a meeting after a rejection of a bipartisan meeting by republicans, and she said no decisions have been made just yet. joining us now, a member of the oversight committee. thank you for your time this afternoon. let's start here. you have the oversight committee having the hearing on what they

are calling unanswered questions. what answers are you looking for? what more do you want to know? >> we need to understand specifically what went wrong where the fbi director has said things went wrong and they are looking to improve it, and what specifically went wrong? was there an intelligence failure? why did they not anticipate these attacks and why were these groups not on their radar and what are they doing differently? >> republicans torpedoed the bipartisan commission, and president biden said he's not appointing a presidential commission, he said this is something congress should look into given that the attack happened at the capitol. when can we expect to learn more about the house speaker about the next steps here? >> the speaker bent over backwards to get something bipartisan, and she wanted this to be bipartisan and it's outrageous, it's an abdication

of the responsibility that republicans were not willing to have a bipartisan inquiry into preventing future attacks on our capitol, and it's a symbol of weakness to the rest of the world, and our committees will continue to investigate and coordinate and there may very well be a special committee created by the speaker. >> let's talk about domestic terrorism given the conversation we just had with pete williams. would you support a new domestic terrorism law? do you have any sort of concerns about potential infringements on civil liberties if lawmakers decide to go that route? >> jeff, i do. i am very concerned about the rise of extremism and extremism related to white supremacy, as you mentioned. i am also aware of what we did with the patriot act and how we expanded government surveillance and that had a chilling affect on speech and the rights of many citizens and was abused to

actually hurt people of color and those who are marginalized, so i want to make sure anything we did past the muster of the first amendment and did not infringe on civil liberties. >> and lastly, i want to get your take on what the chairman of the oversight committee said, and the documents released shows that trump tried to overturn an election that he lost. what more does your committee plan to do about this? do you plan to call mark meadows to learn more about his role in this? to get a better sense of the depth to which the president was trying to go to overturn the election? >> we intent to call all the senior presidential aides involved, and the president was using the justice department to try and overturn the election.

i mean, it's incredibly dangerous. it is a threat to our democracy. the question of what are we going to do in the future to prevent any president from abusing our democratic system in this way, we need to be at the bottom of it and we will have the president's top aides come under oath and tell us exactly what happened. >> congressman, appreciate your time as always. as president biden travels overseas, his domestic agenda hangs in the balance back home, and the growing warnings coming within his own party. later, could artificial intelligence be the answer to america's aging infrastructure?

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there's a lot of movement on capitol hill today. you can see democrats now, there's chuck schumer the senate majority leader as they emerge from the weekly lunch meetings. we can learn more about a deal crafted by a group of more than ten senators could already be dead in the water. we are hearing from democrats on what the path forward should be and whether that path should involve republicans at all.

>> it's the kind of situation where you get to the point where you say, okay, that's it. i spoke with mitch mcconnell and he said he has no intention of supporting joe biden's major priorities. >> of course we are going to lean into the bipartisan discussions that are under way with legitimacy and authenticity, and we would like to find common ground with the other side, but if the objectionists prevails, then we will have to proceed to get it done through the vehicle that is available to us through reconciliation. that's a conversation for another day. >> joining us now are pbs news, she's in geneva traveling with

the president, and anna palmer, both msnbc contributors. i will attest to this, it's my job to follow this stuff and i'm starting to lose the thread here. anna, what is the latest in the house with infrastructure? what is the latest in the senate? the house is giving lawmakers seven to ten days to get their act together on bipartisan talks before they decide to go it alone, with democrats trying to figure out how to get to reconciliation. bring us up to speed? >> today was a reality check for democrats and republicans, right? you have seen them talking in different iterations and the group of ten trying to come up with a proposal, and today we are hearing both sides throwing cold water on the concept that appear bipartisan deal will get done, and we have some saying there's too many climate provisions and saying the math

was not there. i think on the other side you have progressives, those like bernie sanders that feel like republicans are not acting in good faith. >> i think we might have lost anna's signal there. so give us a sense of how much the white house is involved in the current talks? they are focused on the meeting with vladimir putin in 24 hours time? >> yeah, you are right a lot of white house officials are traveling with putin here in geneva, and they are ironing out the details about the high stakes meeting with the president of russia, and i just got off the phone with white house officials back in d.c. and there are a number of them trying to figure out if a bipartisan deal can be done. the white house has signaled to lawmakers they will give seven to ten days for the bipartisan deal to come together possibly,

and president biden did want -- i'm told by white house sources to have a bipartisan deal, because that's what he ran on. he ran on the idea of trying to run with republicans, and that being said there's a feeling among progressive democrats that now time is being wasted and time should not be wasted in the middle of the upcoming midterms, and there's a feeling here in talking to sources there's anxiety building in the white house and looking at democrats saying maybe we can go it alone? and joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, are they going to come along, and some say they feel confident joe manchin will be able to get on the side that they have. >> i think you are back with us. let's talk about bernie sanders. he said he cannot support the deal as it currently stands.

what is his end deal? we have seen lawmakers bending over backwards to accommodate joe manchin, and now bernie sanders saying i have a role to play, too, and he's not onboard? >> he does not have the same juice, though. when joe manchin speaks everybody stops and listens and says, wait, because he's that deciding factor. i think bernie sanders speaks to the frustration among progressives that the democrats are in charge of the chambers and in charge of the white house, and they should move forward and they have a mandate and you will see more and more pressure on reconciliation moving forward in a way -- and the chairman has a major role to play in that. >> as you have been speaking, there was a tweet that senator schumer announced to reporters that -- he announced the budget committee will move forward for

the vehicle for reconciliation so democrats can push the infrastructure package with just democratic votes alone. thank you both for your time this afternoon. good to see you both. all this week nbc news is taking a look at solutions for our country's aging infrastructure. in epa ordered a city in indiana to stop with this well, and joining me with that story is correspondent josh letterman. i have been waiting to talk to you, my friend, all afternoon. i read the writup for this story and don't understand, so explain it to us. >> reporter: it kind of works, believe it or not, like an underground stock market where

different parts of the sewer will bid against each other for limited space in the waste water treatment plant, so if it's raining on the east side more than the west side, so the east side might get the space, and how to protect tomorrow's generation without impoverishing today's? for a century, it was the economic backbone and it was also the suer. storm water and sewage went into the river. in the 1950s, the city built this treatment plant but when it rained it was not enough. before the smart sewer rain

water would flow out of pipes like these, sending as many as 2 billion gallons of polluted water into the river. the solution, should we open it up? >> yes. >> all right. artificial intelligence. 15 feet below ground. >> so this box here is what is called a remote terminal unit. >> when rain fills the sewer, these wireless sensors detect which pipes are full. >> this is able to detect the increased pressure and it's able to send a signal. >> then play traffic cop, opening and closing valves to direct sewage. >> they protect the water levels across the city every five minutes, detect the water levels

across the city every five minutes. >> while saving more than $400 million, e. coli has been cut in half. other cities are adopting their own smart sewers. the amount of voters and people swimming in this river all the time now, i think that's the result of the improved water quality, is human beings are using the river more now than ever. jeff, these are problems that are going to grow over the coming decades. two-thirds of the america's pipelines are more than 50 years old, and getting them up to speed would cost half a billion. >> thank you. what is really behind the conservative crusade against critical race theory? later, trouble in texas. four months after extreme cold nearly collapsed the texas power

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those bills have been signed into law in four states so far, and in florida they banned critical race theory from public classrooms. the debates are now happening in cities and towns across the country with 165 groups fighting for critical race theory, and those groups are getting backup from conservative thank tanks, activist and lawyers. one is the k through 12 schools are vying to not teach critical race theory, and many are getting the theory completely wrong. joining us now, ben collins, and michael harriet. appreciate your time. there are more laws against schools teaching critical race theory than schools that actually teach critical race theory is what you said. can you explain what it is

before we have a conversation about all the attacks against it? >> so critical race theory, it started as a legal perspective in examining the law. so basically what it says is we are going to use the lens of race to examine america's legal systems and expand it from there to economics to almost every field of academia, but it's not -- it really doesn't have much to do with history, it's basically related in the way where if you teach microsoft word to a class where you are teaching them not computer engineering even though they are not using a computer, and critical race theory is basically a complex legal and academic strategy used to come up with and examine social structures. >> i am hearing you say it's a

legitimate lane of academic studies. how does that conflict with how conservative groups are presenting it? >> so they are presenting the 1619 project in particular, as teaching critical race theory, as teaching the theme i just talked about and they are not presenting it as teaching the critical race theory, and they say it's hating america and hating white people and they are having white people believe they are teaching in classrooms across america to hate white people, and it's something that no teacher that liked their job would do. so i don't know -- if they just took this definition and people started believing it without any logical thought or critical thinking. >> ben, these conservative groups are presenting their opposition to critical race theory as a grassroots endeavor,

and you reported that the truth is more complicated. unpack your reporting for us. >> i want to add, what michael said is right, and the confusion around the term is a important point as well. if you have watched fox news, you would think suddenly everybody is rising up against what they all know about, critical race theory, and are against critical race theory. however, it's not really like that. there are a bunch of dark money groups that are pushing the new lines of thought, and also things like probono lawyers, the ability to file freedom information requests and if you use them correctly it can help define what the curriculum is at your school district, and it's coming from the heritage foundation, which is a known

conservative group and it's doing basic trainings for this sort of thing. it has a lot of various different impacts from the conservative movement on their way down. >> so ben, what is the end game here? i understand -- on the one hand, i understand the sort of end game for conservative media, they want to gin up outrage to fuel viewership or listenship, but what about the conservative grass root groups? >> it keeps people engaged, and steve bannon said it's the way to save the -- if you win the elections from the bottom up you get to have, you know, basically a movement. this is how the tea party started as well, you know, through the hyperlocal elections on off years where people were not paying attention.

you get people riled up enough in these phases and you can use it as political leverage over time. it's good content for places like fox news, and they know that. that's the thing, people -- one of the stories we did about this group in maine, this guy was really kind of desperate to get on tucker carlson's show to get a little payback in this -- against -- in his fight against the school board and the superintendent. they realized they could use that as a weapon to win these local school boards where nobody else is really paying attention. >> michael, based on your reporting, what is the basis of the white wing opposition? to mobilize the base, is it as ben just noted, to win a local election? >> all of the above. if we talk about critical race theory, and so even aside from the hype of local elections, we're talking about the issues

that are ruling politics today. they don't have an argument against investigating the capitol insurrection, and they don't have an economic argument or an argument against law and order now, and they don't have an argument against people sending stimulus checks or the infrastructure bill, and the only thing they have left, if you don't vote for the republicans, they are going to teach your kids to hate white people and america, and that's all they got, right? part of the culture war is not just when history, not just about what they are teaching in schools, but it's part of their overall strategy to rile up their base to get people -- it's a turnout strategy in essence. it's a political thing that really has nothing to do with the 1619 project or what your kids learn in school. >> fear and anger are powerful motivators. thank you to both of you. coming up next, if you think

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supply and balance have to be in control, or else there will be blackouts. the first step is to ask residents to conserve power. one of the last steps is to do controlled outages. at this point, they're saying the outages are pretty unlikely. >> one of the things we learned a couple of months ago was that texas was not connected to the federal grid, and that's one of the reasons why what happened was so severe. have there been any discussions about connecting texas to the federal grid? >> yes, there were during the most recent legislative session, but that didn't gain a lot of traction. what we did pass were companies were required to upgrade their power plants to withstand more

extreme weather. there were steps taken, but there are not the sort of policy updates that we would need for this summer, right now. >> so no solution on the horizon, it seems. >> i don't want to be doom and gloom. but i think that policymakers are really thinking about this hard. and some experts are calling for some demand side programs that would pay customers to reduce their power supply. and that is another idea that didn't really gain a lot of traction, but we're seeing a lot of talk about that right now. pretty interesting, it's unusual to have this many plants go down unexpectedly. it's 93 degrees in houston right now. 97 tomorrow. it's hot but it's not, you know, hot for texas summer level. and these plants should be able to perform in these conditions.

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