social media. coming up, an update on a future show about your response to what we heard from ben and jerry when i had them on to discuss police reform. thanks for watching "the beat." "the reidout" is up next. hi, joy. >> first of all, i love ben and jerry. i love the whole pass the juneteenth holiday, ban teaching why there's a juneteenth. it is art. it is irony. anyway, have a great -- >> it is irony. thank you for that because it is the contrast that needs to be seen even if the holiday is, as we covered, a measure of something. >> yeah, maybe it is -- >> good to see you. >> they probably figure it is during the summer so they don't have to explain it in class, so it is fine. school's out. anyway, bye, ari. have good evening. good evening, everyone. welcome. we begin "the reidout" tonight with a handshake in geneva. a historic face-to-face meeting

between two world leaders, u.s. president job, russian president vladimir putin. representing two sides of one of the most significant and enduring conflicts of the 20th century and who remain far from trusting partners today. for four years america's relationship with russia was perversely framed around a u.s. president who saw putin not as a foreign adversary but as an idol to be emulated. today it was against this very backdrop that president biden opened a new chapter on russia, a 180 degree pivot from the last administration, aimed at re-establishing america's role as world leaders in the fight for democracy. >> every generation has to reestablish the basis of this fight for democracy. i mean for real. literally have to do it. these are the countries we have our own concerns with politics, we still, one as i am president, we are going to stick to the

notion that we are open, accountable and transparent. i think that's important message to send to the world. >> the leaders also gave separate press conferences with president biden asked, among many other things, about the string of cyberattacks linked to moscow, which putin today denied. >> i made it clear that we will not tolerate attempts to violate our democratic sovereigty or destabilize our democratic elections and we would respond. >> you have spoken many times about how you have spent perhaps more time with president xi than any other world leader. so is there going to come a time where you might call him, old friend to old friend -- >> let's get something straight. we know each other well. we're not old friends. >> why are you so confident he will change his behavior, mr. president? >> i'm not confident he will change his behavior. when did i say i was confederate. >> reporter: you said -- >> what i said -- look, let's get it straight. i said what will change their

behavior is the rest of the world reacts to their behavior, then it is just standing in the world. >> okay, spicy biden. meanwhile, putin's take was positive, calling the talks constructive. he had to endure the unusual, unusual for putin anyway, task of facing a free press which might explain why the most memorable moment came from a reporter rather than from the source. >> reporter: the lists of your political opponents who are dead, imprisoned or jailed is long. alexei navalny's organization calls for free and fair elections and end to corruption, but russia has outlawed that organization, calling it extremist, and you have now prevented anyone who supports him to run for office. my question is, mr. president, what are you so afraid of? >> journalism. putin, however, deflected throughout the presser, dismissing questions about russia's treatment of alexei navalny, refusing to say his name, also invoking u.s. politics in answers about his own country, suggesting that the

united states was silencing dissidents, referring to the arrests of suspects in the january 6th attack. >> as for who is killing whom and throwing whom in jail, people came to the u.s. congress with political demands. they're being called domestic terrorists. >> it goes to show the ways in which u.s. politics are steeped into life abroad. with the niece of osama bin laden outside they jeev au flying a trump flag from a boat. echoing the rhetoric of america's republican party, as we often say on this show, it is indeed real life, weird and also dangerous. joining me now from geneva is yamiche alcindor and pbs white house correspondent. also in geneva former u.s.

ambassador false. yamiche, i want to go to you first. from the white house's point of view, what was the goal of the last several days and what was the outcome? i don't know if we have yamiche. okay. ben, we are going to go with you first. we are going to start with you first. assess for us for a moment. you know, i called him spicy biden today. biden was definitive in not allowing the media -- you know, the fox reporter tried to frame president xi as a friend, which is sort of a narrative on the right, but he also i thought was very strong in saying to reporters afterwards in the scrum, look, we've got a problem. you know, reasserting the importance of democracy, and this is a challenge for western nations around the world. what do you think the outcome was of the meeting with putin and the aftermath? >> i mean i think it was an incredibly important piece of business, joy, because

essentially what he is doing is after four years of vladimir putin getting a complete pass from the president of the united states, he was going there to lay down some lines. it is telling to me the bulk of the meeting was the small meeting, just the two presidents alone with their secretary of state and foreign minister. i think he was laying it out for him. here are my concerns on cyberattacks. here are my concerns with respect to the treatment of alexei navalny and the opposition. here are my concerns about ukraine, and not aiming to negotiate detailed agreements but aiming to lay down the markers and deliver warning that if we don't see some progress on this you might have a response from us in terms of the u.s. using our offensive cyber capability. i think he was also highlighting for putin, look, i just came out of a g7 and a nato where the world's democracies are circling the wagons again. let's be very clear, joy. it is not going to solve all of our problems with vladimir putin. vladimir putin has been consistently a bad actor. i think what he is going to do is biden has laying this down and saying in six months or a year if we don't see progress or

we see russia continuing to take these actions he can refer back to the conversation they had in geneva and say, this is why i'm now taking an action. i think he got annoyed at times with the press because they try to frame it as a performance art of summitry or you're chummy with this guy or that guy. biden is there, no, this is deadly serious issues, literally life and death issues being discussed here. he was careful not to raise expectations and saying one summit is going to solve all of these problems, and he wanted it in context for people in this country and around the world. >> and he was clear telling the press i'm not negotiating in front of you, you know, we're going to negotiate behind the scenes. he definitely had his wheaties's this morning, if you can get them in geneva. professor michael mcfaul, thank you for being here. let me ask you a similar question. >> sure. >> you know, russia is not the equal of the united states in terms of its economy. you know, our friends on ""morning joe"" put up a short

this morning that was pretty definitive. they are a small economy, smaller than the canadian economy. they're really an oil exporter, you know, they're sort of a grander mississippi. they don't have a lot going for them in terms of actual strength. what they do have is a huge nuclear stockpile, bigger than ours, and they sell arms. why is it important to give them the stage next to the united states president at all? >> well, i don't think you need to give them the stage and i thought it was very appropriate that they didn't have a joint press conference today. that was smart. in part, because it gave our american journalists a chance to ask vladimir putin some very tough questions that wouldn't have happened if they were together. but you have to talk to the president of russia, no matter who he is, and the general secretary of the communist party, the soviet union, back in the cold war because they are a nuclear superpower. the united states and russia are the only two countries in the world that can blow up each

other and the planet, and so we need to cooperate and we need to talk about that, as they called it today, strategic stability talks. we're the only two countries in the world that have those arsenals. that's why we need to meet together. the second point, joy, i want to add, you are right about the economy. russia is, you know, 11th in the world, maybe sixth if you do purchasing power parity, but the cards that putin has, he's willing to play in a very revisionist way. he's willing to invade countries, annex territory, send his air force to prop up mr. assad, and to use his cyber agents to undermine our democracy as we learned in the last two presidential elections. so he is, i think, a very difficult actor on the international system today, and not just engaging him as president biden did today in geneva, that's right, but now we need to have containment strategy as well. >> yes.

we have yamiche now. we are getting everybody online in terms of trying to get all of these long distance connections to work. yamiche, i want to play a part of the press conference today when president biden actually responded to a question that you raised to him on the crackdown of dissidents in the capitol. take a listen. >> i would say that's a ridiculous comparison. it is one thing for literally criminals to break through, go into the capitol, kill a police officer and be held unaccountable than it is for people objecting, marching on the capitol and saying, "you are not allowing me to speak freely," you are not allowing me to do a, b, c or d. they're very different criteria. >> just to frame it correctly, essentially vladimir putin tried to draw a false equivalence between his crackdown on dissidents in his country and the prosecution of the people who were insurrections in the

capitol. was it a surprise to folks in the white house, yamiche, that that is where putin went, that he went to black lives matter, that he went to essentially a sort of trumpian defense of what happened on january 6th? was that a surprise to the white house? >> from what i can tell, white house aides and white house sources were expecting that president putin would try to make a false equivalency because that's what he does. that's part of his playbook. it is trying to call out what he sees are human rights abuses, trying to call out crimes, trying to call out people how people live and die in the united states, and trying to make these false equivalencies when, of course, they're wrong, when, of course, it is not the same thing as human rights abuses we are seeing in russia and the jailing of opposition leaders and the flat-out denying of opposition parties from even being able to exist. this was me really pressing president biden here to talk about january 6th because you saw the russian president try to use january 6th against the united states. what you saw here, of course, was, yes, there were gains today.

yes, there was constructive meeting here, both sides saying it wasn't hostile. but what you also saw was real tension between these two leaders, and at the core of it was human rights. this, i think, this answer by president biden to my question i think really underscores there is a lot still to be worked out in this relationship. president biden said it is going to take three to six months to see what are the real fruits of this meeting, and i think human rights will also be at the center of that, assessing really how well this summit went on and what the actual consequences of it will be. >> right. and so on the question of sort of what will be consequences for the bad behavior of russia, there was in that last scrum this conversation, yamiche, between reporters and the president in which he said, clarified what he was saying was that he wasn't superly overly optimistic russia would change its behavior, but that the way that nations, free nations react to russia need to be coordinated and needed to change. what was the outcome of conversations with other g7 nations about how they will

coordinate, the way that they respond to russian aggression? did anything come of that during these meetings? >> well, white house sources and president biden himself said that these meetings with russian -- with european leaders, these meetings to really underscore that democracy needs to be working, it needs to be united against autocracy, they're saying it is a step forward in fighting back against russia, fighting back against china. there is what they would say this united front against what russia is doing and the human rights abuses, but i think there's this real question about russia is going to be this international bad actor. president biden said he didn't really issue an ultimatum, a threat, but then you heard president biden say, look, i looked president putin in the eye and said, do you want your infrastructure to be attacked? what would it be like if your oil fields were not working out? there you saw president biden taking a very, very firm stance and doing what he came here to do, which was really having a complete contrast to what we saw three years ago with former president trump who really, i mean, had some real cringe

worthy moments even for his own administration. >> to say the least. yes, thank you. well said. well said. yamiche alcindor, thank you very much. michael and ben are staying with me. next on "the reidout", after years of looking into his soul, president biden is taking a tougher approach to putin. but will it make any difference? plus tonight, absolute worse. claim to support the police but they revealed how they really feel on the floor of the house. meanwhile, some of the very same republicans have new revisionist propaganda about january 6th, claiming that it was an inside job -- get this -- by the fbi. you heard me right, folks. "the reidout" continues after this. them have teeth sensitivity as well as gum issues. does it worry me? absolutely. sensodyne sensitivity and gum gives us a dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend. introducing the instant air purifier.

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that's because even before trump past administrations extended more of the benefit of the doubt to putin than he necessarily deserved. for instance when asked in a 2001 joint press conference whether putin was trustworthy, george w. bush trustingly gave this endorsement. >> i will answer the question. i looked the man in the eye. i found him to be straightforward and trustworthy. we had a very good dialogue. i was able to get a sense of his soul. >> of course, putin went on to crackdown on the media, cancel elections, arrest his political opponent and invade the neighboring country of georgia during bush's eight years in office. then came the obama administration which gave putin another chance in what was dubbed a reset with russia. secretary of state hillary clinton even presented the foreign minister with a prop reset button to symbolize american good will. while there was some progress on iran and disarmament, putin

betrayed that trust again when he seized crimea from ukraine in 2014 and attacked our election in 2016. but any miscalculations on the part of president bush or obama were trivial compared to donald trump's total capitulation to russia, that includes what was probably the most humiliating moment in the history of foreign relations when trump let russia off the hook for attacking our democracy and took putin's side over his own intelligence agency in helsinki in 2018. it was so disastrous former trump advisor fiona hill considered pulling a fire alarm to cut it off. >> first of all, i looked around to see if there was a fire alarm, but, you know, we were in a rather grand building attached to the presidential palace of the finish president who lent it to us for the occasion and i couldn't see anything that resembled a fire alarm. it was mortgage phiing, frankly, and humiliating for the country. >> after his three predecessors, biden has no illusions about putin and it was apparent in his performance today. back with me our former

ambassador michael mcfaul and ben rhodes. joining us from moscow is senior correspondent keir simmons. keir, you recently sat down with vladimir putin himself. i wonder if you could give us an assessment of what you saw in that press conference today in which it seemed that putin was determined to answer any question about his own country and his own administration of his country with things black lives matter and defending the january 6th insurrectionists. is that something you expected given you recently having spoken with him? >> reporter: hey, joy. yeah, 100%. look, i'm glad that you framed this as a more confrontational approach from president biden because, look, this is a kind of roar. there was a guy in the russia delegation, a general who invented something called the jurasimov doctrine. it basically describes going to war without going to war, if you like. let me read you a little bit from what that russian general

wrote sometime ago about what it is about. he said, the rules of war have changed. rules are no longer declared and having begun proceed according to an unfamiliar template. so wars are no longer declared. there you see putin in that news conference denying, deny, deny, deny that you're doing it. an unfamiliar template. that's the propaganda. that's getting into the divisive issues in the u.s. and trying to, you know, lean into them. this is a kind of shadow war by russia. russia, we've said, is too weak vis-a-vis america to go to war with america, you know, up front, but that is what the strategy is. i think the first step in taking it on is to really recognize it. what i think you have to hope is that this is president biden's first move on the chess board, because what happened today is not even close to enough. russia, the kremlin behind me here, needs to feel like there will be real consequences.

president biden did say that. he also did say that we'll see what happens. so we'll see. joy. >> yeah. ambassador mcfaul, i feel like even some of the stage craft, it almost sort of played out what you're hearing keir simmons talk about. the fact they didn't do a joint press conference, there was no opportunity for putin to try to do the same act with biden, you know, in biden's presence, the fact they remained separate, the fact biden actually made him wait. we talked about some of this stuff yesterday. those subtle messages, what does that do to putin inside of his own country? because it seemed like they were trying to put out images and pictures that would raise his stature because he didn't get to have too many side-by-side opportunities. >> well, in terms of the protocol and the scripting of this summit, it is the anti-helsinki and very appropriately so. i think the biden protocol folks get a lot of credit. you're right. putin had to show up first. they changed that, by the way,

in a last-minute thing. that's great. number two, they had note takers in the room. second blinken was there. donald trump didn't have any notes. we have no idea what he talked about when he was one-on-one with vladimir putin. fiona hill, who you showed a clip of, she could have been there. she was his russia senior adviser at the nsc. she wasn't let in the meeting. then no joint press con frebs, which i think was a great thing because president biden didn't have to stand there and listen to the greatest hits of what about-ism that vladimir putin did in his press conference. that's all for us. but back home, let's be clear, mr. putin is coming back from geneva feeling pretty good. he did a whole bunch of bad things. he annexed crimea, propped up assad, violated our sovereigty in 2016, tried to kill mr. skripal in the uk in 2018. after that bad behavior he gets to have a summit here in geneva with the most important leader in the world. and then, secondly, he then went to his press conference and he

was having a good time. i watched it. i speak russian, i could listen to both of it, and for his folks that are not -- you know, most of those people are not independent press journalists, he got to frame this as everybody, despite everything i do on the stage, they need to talk to me. >> yeah. hard to avoid that point. let me play a little bit for you, ben. this was former secretary of state hillary clinton and she was talking about how difficult it is to deal with this country. take a listen. >> i think you can't be either, you know, starry eyed or totally turning your back. you've got to walk what is an uncomfortable but necessary path. how do we calibrate? how do we get them to do something? how do we stop them from doing something? how do we impose costs if they do go forward? and i think joe biden has learned a lot, as we all have. i do think you need both an inside and an outside game. you need a public and a private approach to putin, and, you know, that's what joe biden

gets. >> ben rhodes, you lived that through the administration, and i wonder if you think that, you know, getting the start to treaty was a big deal. some of the you know, advancements made during the obama years were a big deal. do you think that essentially putin has emerged really emboldened because as you just heard ambassador mcfaul say, he knows we have to deal with him no matter what he does. >> look, joy. i mean we have a 20-year history now with vladimir putin shall and we can see who he is and he's not going to change. so there's really two tasks in front of us. one is what can you do through your foreign policy to try to contain what he's doing. you're not going to reverse what he is doing. you're not going to make him stop trying to control events inside places like ukraine and georgia. you are not going to make him suddenly open up russia to a multi-party democracy, but you need to try to contain his excesses because he is aware

there's a cost, you have a deterrent, and because you have other countries with you imposing the costs and consequences. i think more fundamentally the elephant in the room is that vladimir putin is part of a string of national authoritarianism, kind of the vanguard of it, that is in this country right now. there's a symbiosis, the reason vladimir putin could interfere in this country was not only was the door held open by donald trump, but because the disinformation kind of thing was on fox news. you talk about january 6th, i don't doubt for a second that there weren't russian trolls amplifying the big lie ending in january 6th. it wasn't something he decided to do today. it is something that he is overlapping, he is symbiotic with the nationalist trend in this country. the other thing we have to do is fortify our democracy at home. there's two sides of this coin, and we saw one side of it which

is an american president making us proud by standing up for democratic values and human rights on the world stage. but then we also need to come home and make sure that the toxins that vladimir putin exploits in our own democracy were taken care of as well. >> you know, keir, that leads me to -- you're right, we can't control the way vladimir putin behaves, he is who he is. we can only control our behavior on our end. one of the things we see happen within american politics is sort of backing off trying to dig into what went down between donald trump and vladimir putin. there's still so many unanswered questions. this news from abc news, that congressional democrats say they're no longer seeking records of the former president's private meetings with the russian leader despite previous concerns that trump tried to conceal details of their conversations. you as a journalist, these are the things that we both want to know. what message does it send that we're not going to get answers to some of really probably the most important questions about

the previous four years? what was said behind closed doors and on the phone between these two men? we're not -- i guess we are just not going to know. >> reporter: it is a great question, and i have tried with the kremlin, to push them to see if they will tell us. i mean it is ridiculous, isn't it, we have to ask the kremlin to find out what happened between a russian leader and american president? but i tried. they wouldn't do that. they talk about, you know, kind of diplomatic protocol and things. but i would say something else, joy, too. just on this propaganda battlefield, if you like, you've got to be smart. so watch what president putin did this week. he did this interview with us, and then at that news conference today he had multiple u.s. reporters asking tough questions, and the russian media here now are reporting, saying, look at our president. he's answering questions from the american media. why wasn't president biden doing that? does president biden not want to answer questions?

is he not prepared to answer tough questions? so, you know, i actually think there would be some value to an american president doing interviews with the american -- with the russian media to get the message across, but you just have got to be smart. you have to keep watching what putin does, respond and fight back. >> yeah, it is an information war. it is fascinating. michael mcfaul, ben rhodes, keir simmonds, thank you all very much. still ahead, honoring the heroic officers who risked their lives to protect lawmakers on capitol hill from an insurrectionist mob. well, that seems like a no brainer, right? a staggering hypocrisy of some republicans on that very issue makes choosing tonight's absolute worst a no brainer, too. that is next.

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matter, just not the police who risk their lives to protect her on january 6th. marjory q gave air time to the latest conspiracy theory from tucker carlson, tweeting about the latest tirade last night blaming the fbi for organizing the capitol attack. it is a theory he sourced from the extremely well-known, super objective and very important news source, "revolver" news, which led him to raise the question whether some of the indicted co-conspirators named in the indictment could be government officials. we won't force you to listen to him or the many leaps and logic it takes to get to this point because it should go without saying, no, no, no, not how the fbi works. as aaron blake points out they say the government literally cannot name an undercover agent as an unindicted co-conspirator. while it is tempting to make tucker go through things, he is not tonight's absolute worst.

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insurrectionists ran into clyde today and introduced himself as someone who fought to defend the capitol and put out his hand to congressman clyde who refused to shake it. republican congressman kinzinger said he called and confirmed this story. the washington report reports that he came to the hill today, the day after 21 house republicans voted against the gold medal resolution in an effort to meet them and tell his story. he happened upon clyde in an elevator. now, we tried to get a comment from congressman clyde but some far no response. but i am joined by california democratic congressman eric swalwell, a 2021 impeachment manager and member of house committee on intelligence. congressman, when i was told this story i had to look at your twitter feed to verify. even though i trust my producers inherently, i had to verify it myself. then i read kinzinger's retweet. unbelievable. i'm going to let you comment. how can that be possible that

this officer who has been on tv a lot, nine minutes of him talking on cnn are available, so everybody knows who he is. your comments on clyde. i don't get it. >> joy, to honor donald trump you now have to dishonor the police, that's the only explanation i have for you. officer fanone and officer harry dunn stopped by my office earlier today unannounced. they popped in, i chatted with them for a while. they told me how much it hurt to watch the vote yesterday where 21 republicans voted against giving these hero officers the gold medals. they said they wanted to embark on going to those offices to meet the members of congress, tell them about their experience and hopefully change their minds. so fanone called me about 20 minutes after he left my office and he was enraged. he said, is this really how it works around here? the only part, i only had a couple of hundred characters in the tweet. he said that congressman clyde after he refused to shake his hand pulled out his cellphone and started recording him like

he was some sort of criminal, that he had to document the interaction. that's just where these guys are right now. i saw clyde on the floor, scared for his life as all of us were, and i saw the brave officers who put their lives in front of ours and everyone else in that building. this is just no way to treat them. >> unbelievable. yeah, let me ask you this. let's go back through this again. on the day of the insurrection, did congressman clyde go out and greet the protesters and high five them and take selfies with them because they were just tourists? did he go and greet them? >> no, i was actually grateful for what he did. he went and helped the capitol police barricade the main door into the house floor, which was -- that wasit is heroic of him. then what happens? time passes, donald trump says it was just a nice day at the capitol and that's the new big lie that you have to accept. by the way, you know who else -- who also did not go and confront the protesters despite telling

us just days before she was going to bring her big gun to the capitol? lauren boebert. she had that video two days before the insurrection that she was going to bring her gun on to the floor. no, she ran for her life. you know who defended her? people like harry dunn and mike fanone. that's why they're worthy of our gratitude and the gold medals they voted against. >> absolutely. this is the job we want police to do, to defend and protect people's lives. this is what we want from police. let my play for you paul gosar. did he go out and greet the insurrectionists? >> no. here is gosar talking about one of the people who was killed during the insurrection. >> why hasn't that officer that executed ashli babbit been named when police officers around the country are routinely identified after a shooting? >> it seems to me now what republicans are trying to do is

not just ignore the officers, refuse to honor them, but now also vilifying them. when you saw the police officers who had their guns trained on the doors, why did they have their guns trained on the doors of, for instance, the speaker's lobby? from your point of view. >> because -- yeah, and i was receiving the capitol police alerts of what they did know right before that, which is that pipe bombs were found, live pipe bombs were found, that there were armed people coming into the capitol, that intelligence had shown on websites that people intended to bring their firearms to the capitol that day, and the mob had broken through five different perimeters. the last line was where andrew clyde stood and just 100 feet on the other end of where andrew clyde stood where ms. babitt was killed was the other line where the officer had to resort to, you know, the deadly use of force to protect the dozens of members on the floor. that officer is a hero. he saved lives. he is not an executioner as

republicans are describing him as. >> let me ask you this. if ashli babbit, who was a military trained, you know, trained by united states tax dollars, being military. she obviously knew how to use a gun, how to do combat. if she had gotten through the speaker's door and all of the crowd that were screaming on the other side of the door, if they got through what would have been on the other side of the door? >> they would have killed my colleagues. i saw that mob. i saw the colleagues who were left behind, who were the least mobile, and we were trying to figure out ways to get them out because it would require a stairway exit, and so you would have had the least able to defend themselves overrun by that mob, joy. ashli babbit was the tip of the spear of that mob. as office fanone described, when he interacted with the mob they tried to strip him of his gun. if the mob had gotten around the final police officers who were there, they would have done the same thing and you would have seen dead members of congress so god bless the officer who saved us. >> my last question. if the name of that officer were

to be released, what do you think might happen to that officer, given the fact that people on the right who support donald trump are threatening to kill people who were just in the business of counting votes, people who work in elections? would it endanger that officer's life to release his name? >> it would absolutely put a target on his back. by the way, that officer has been cleared and that shooting has been deemed as, you know, a lawful, unfortunate, shooting. joy, so now we have a republican party, you know, today by the way over double digits voted against recognizing juneteenth. so it is a pro-slavery, anti-police party that is rolling with the cop killers right now. that's where we are here in washington, d.c. . >> congressman, we spent a lot of time talking about police and, you know, issues of police abuse. the capitol police officers who defended the capitol are the ideal of the way that we wish police would behave all over the country and the way a lot of

police actually do. they were brave. they did their job. they defended you. they defended your staff. they defended every member of congress. god bless them. they deserve those medals. if you voted against them, you know what? shame on you. >> that's right. >> congressman eric swalwell, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. after taking a successful stand against a new voter suppression bill in their home stay, texas lawmakers were in washington to meet with vice president harris and democrats on capitol hill. one of the texas lawmakers joins me next. stay with us.

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for the people act which will make voting easier, increase election security, reduce the power of big money in elections. a south dakota senator speaking on behalf of all republicans said the bill needs to die and die quickly. not helping are joe manchin and sinema. texas democrats that stood together travelled to washington to ask democrats for help during their weekly luck. senators manchin and sinema did not attend. manchin's office said he had another meeting. texas democrats met with vice president harris. >> what we are seeing are examples of an attempt to interfere with that right.

an attempt to marginalize and take from people a right that has already been given. we are not asking for the bestowal of a right, we are talking about the preservation of a right, the right of citizenship. and it is that fundamental. >> late today five members of the texas delegation were able to sit down with senator manchin and talk voting rights and in that meeting was chris turner who joins me now and our first non-staff guest. first lawrence o'donnell and now you in the covid era. let's talk about, first of all, the fight that you all mounted in texas. i think it was heroic for a lot of people to see you all stand up. how permanent is your ability to stop the law in texas? >> well, it is not permanent which is why we are here in washington d.c. we need federal help to stop

republicans from passing these suppressive laws making it harder for people to vote. we need congress to act and the president and vice president to act and they are doing everything they can. >> manchin was not at the previous meeting. i guess he had other meetings. you met with him today. what did he say to you? >> look, he was very gracious. he was generous with his time. we met about an hour. we had a robust discussion about voting rights and he made his commitment to making sure all-americans have the ability to cast a ballot and he talked about his experience as secretary of state and they used to have competitions to see which state could get the biggest turn out. he had concerns with hr1 and put out information with suggested changes he is proposing which i have not had a chance to fully review all of that yet. we talked about the john lewis voting right act and hr1 to have

robust protections. in texas, we need the voting rights act back to have the preclearance mechanism to stop some of these discriminatory laws. >> i have a list of the potential changes senator manchin is proposing. there is troubling stuff. the voter i.d. laws. it can be expensive and difficult to get to where you can get them. there are all of the reasons people generally don't have the type of i.d. in texas they want you to have, a gun permit or whatever. people don't have it. it would codifies not allowing people to vote absentee unless they had an excuse. affluent people whose winter in florida could vote absentee but not average, every day texans. if those are the changes would putting john lewis' name be appropriate if those are the

changes that are made? >> when we talked about some of those issues with the senator. we explained to him on voter i.d. that in texas we have such a restrictive voter i.d. law. you can vote with a hunting license, but you cannot vote with a state-issued college i.d. the senator was shocked to learn that and thought that was completely unacceptable and expressed his opposition to policies like that. he was open today. we said these are the circumstances we are facing in texas and need federal legislation to address these circumstances. the more we get into the details, perhaps we could get somewhere. >> representative turner, a law was just passed through the house, and i know sheila jackson lee, it has been a big part of her push. what does it mean that at the same time we are making

juneteenth a national holiday you have states potentially erasing the history that would explain what juneteenth is. >> it is a complete and total disconnect. it was originally a texas holiday. we congratulate her for it. it is a complete and utter disconnect. we have such a history in texas and across the country that you need to make sure that young people learn about the history of racial discrimination in our state and across the country. juneteenth is an important part of that and a pivotal moment in that history where the final slaves were emancipated in texas. the critical race theory nonsense, including in texas. governor abbot signed the bill. >> how many elementary and middle and high schools in texas

are teaching critical race theory? >> the bill author could not explain. >> he doesn't know what it is. >> we get the fist bump. thank you for being here and that is tonight's reid out. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> i also told him no president of the united states could keep faith with the american people if they did not speak out to defend our democratic values. >> defending democracy aboard as the right wing undermines it back home and what we know about what came out of the biden-putin summit and the russian autoaccurate audition for u.s. tv. >> people went into congress with demands. >> the reporter that broke the bombshell about trump's money man. and as juneteen