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beat." find me online. always a good way to connect. >> how are you doing? good to see you. have a great rest of the evening. cheers. good evening, everyone. we begin with a blockbuster day of news. the supreme court, for the third time, rejected an attempt to destroy the affordable care act. at last, federal recognition independence day for black americans. commemorating the day in 1865 when all black americans were officially free from slavery. we begin tonight with a new lost cause. the republican party's whitewashing of the january 6 attack on the capitol. as the gop deepens his commitment of the deadly insurrection, it's impossible to overlook the parallels to
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another effort to reveal the lost cause of the civil war and the lies that laid the groundwork for the revisionist history found in american textbooks for generations. pushed by the united daughters of the confederacy. in 1920, the ucd historian general mildred rutherford had a way to test reference books for schools. in it, she warned to reject books that don't acknowledge interference with the south's rights as the cause and ones that label confederate soldiers as traders or call it a rebellion. she rejected books about keeping enslavers as cruel or unjust. there was the denial of the domestic terror organization,
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the ku klux klan. as the kkk lynched black people throughout the south during reconstruction, politicians denied it existed and argued that whites were the true victims. the same deflection and call them what they are, lies, that republicans have pedalled that you have heard time and time again. >> it was trump supporters who lost their lives that day. not trump supporters who were taking the lives of others. >> there was no insurrection. to call it an insurrection in my opinion is a lie. you didn't know the tv video was a video from january 6, you would think it was a normal tour tourist visit. >> they are saying the quiet part out loud now. they were fake supporters. >> i think it's important to create an accurate historical record of exactly what happened
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so the false narrative of thousands of insurrectionists doesn't last. >> standing in the way of the propaganda, the law enforce mnts officials who bore the brunt. he is speaking about his interaction with georgia republican clyde barricading himself. tonight, the justice department released body camera footage in the case against former marine and retired nypd officer thomas webster who prosecutors alleged wore a bullet proof vest. we should warn you, it's disturbing to watch.
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>> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> that's some aggressive tourism. joining me is jason johnson from morgan state university and charlie sykes, an msnbc columnist. jason, you first. as i was preparing to chat with my executive producer for our daily morning call, it was -- it was hitting me as i'm thinking, where have we seen this
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narrative before? you have an insurrection against the united states government that then is attempted to be covered up by the people who did it and the people who support them and the politicians who support them by saying it didn't happen, it wasn't so bad, it was positive, it's literally a replay in a lot of ways of what happened after the u.s. civil war, what republicans are doing now. what do you make of that analogy? >> i'm sorry? >> do we have you, jason? do i have you? i'm going to charlie. charlie, i will throw the same question to you. it is interesting to watch kind of the same thing happen centuries later. >> except that we saw this in real time. we know what happened. it happened a couple of months ago. we talked a lot about living in a post-truth world. but this is the annihilation of
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truth. watching republicans revising the history, dropping this down the memory hole is extraordinary. it's either a normal tourist day or an antifa false flag, or the fbi. i had a quote from hannah arrant. there's a point in regimes where the truth is so battered that people are prepared to believe that everything is possible, nothing is true. they prepare to believe everything and nothing. that's what we are seeing here. the one through line that strikes me as we look at what's happening is this through line of a political party prepared to erase an election, deny the results of an election, revise history, erase the truth and then continue to move ahead aif
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nothing happened. that's why the videotape that you played is so important. this is what happened. the denial is truly extraordinary. i won't say that it's unprecedented. but we live in a world in which to have politicians like ron johnson and others say that this was just a normal walk in the park requires people to basically shut down every one of their critical sensibilities. your historical analogy is interesting. i think we are seeing something we never experienced in real time like this. >> the difference being, jason, that in the case of the civil war, it was after reconstruction crumbled that -- that's many decades later. in this case, they are six months later, they are going to pretend it didn't happen. play the video again as we talk about this with you. in the case of this denial, not only do you have video that we watched live and we are getting more -- this is new video that has come out. you have all the indictments in
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which the people who did this are saying, i went there for trump. trump lied to me. i did this for him. they are self-identifying. your thoughts, jason? >> yeah. they are screaming about this. i am old enough to remember, this isn't new. dick cheney lied to america and said there were weapons of mass destruction when there weren't any. you said there were weapons -- you would turn around. this kind of blatant lying by those who seek power is not new. it's not shocking. it's not unprecedented. what is dangerous about what's happening now is usually these are lies that had to do with something happening abroad. usually, these are lies that had to do with something apart from the american people. they are lying about something that is having a daily impact on every single person's life in america. that is what's so dangerous. we have a party that is not only committed to the lie, because
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they have been committed to lies before, but they are committed to a lie that can result in people dying. that's what's dangerous. what representative clyde is doing, what ron johnson is doing is setting the groundwork for the next attempted coup. if the insurrectionists got in and hung mike pence, they would say antifa did it. >> or they would have said, he brought it on himself for not being loyal enough to trump. the worry is that there's almost nothing that wouldn't be said. they are digging up the vietcong. it's the republicans flipping everything they used to believe on their head, as if they are saying, maybe al qaeda had a point. if anyone said that after 9/11, would you have thought they need to be committed. let me play for you the officer. he is the most compelling -- one
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of the most compelling testimonies. he is refusing to shut up and disappear, which nicole said, they want him to disappear. here he is not disappearing. >> these lawmakers on capitol hill, they feel like they can say whatever they want and they are never going to be held accountable for those words. your words have consequences. congressmen, you are lying about what happened on january 6th. i'm going to be there to confront anybody who lies about january 6th. i'm not here to make this a political issue. it just so happens that one party is lying about what thousands of officers experienced that day on capitol hill. i'm going to confront anyone that lies about that day. >> charlie sykes, this morning adam kinzinger, who ratified what happen and testified to it as well, a republican, he said that that guy used to be a republican. he was more on the republican side if he was political at all.
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how do republicans think that they can get away with refusing to shake the hand of a police officer who protected them? of turning on police, of turning on everything they supposedly believed in, do they think that's going to work? do they think that's popular in georgia? is that possible those people hate police now because they don't love trump enough? >> i think what they are counting on is people won't hear about it. if you have a 24/7 diet of fox news, you won't hear that. all of this underlines how crucial to have an independent bipartisan commission to get to the bottom of what happened and to flesh out all the lies. number two, the hypocrisy of republicans like congressman clyde who have wrapped them services in the blue lives matter movement, who have made their support for first responders so central to their appeal is just stunning and breathtaking. it is going to be interesting
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whether or not they are held accountable to are this. their mantra is democrats hate police. here you have a political party that is turning its back on police officers who quite literally laid down their lives to protect their rear ends. and will not even shake their hand. it's the contempt, the personal contempt that's so striking here. but in the context of a political party that has just abandoned law enforcement when it comes to this. one of the trolls who is in congress, talking about the -- we can resist the federal government. if you don't think we can with small arms, what about the vietcong? this is the kind of rhetoric that i do think people need to be held accountable for. who does he suggest police
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shoot, more police officers? soldiers? marines? secret service agents? elected officials? he is talking about the vietcong, who killed american soldiers and marines as the model for what insurrectionists in this country might do to their own government. it's easy to get numbed. but there's nothing normal about this. >> and he named the marines and the army. he basically named the marines and the army as the people who got take and part. jason, there's a great column out. we should start talking about this as terrorism. it obviously is. if that is the case, then that makes republicans at this point terrorists sympathizers. willingly so. >> joy, i remember four years ago saying, at this time slot, saying after charlottesville
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that donald trump is a terrorist sympathizer. the way that he talked about what happened, the guy is a terrorist sympathizer. the republican party, which at that point was still somewhat divided on what happened in charlottesville, has pretty much become hook, line and sinker in favor of a white nationalist takeover of the country. these people are terrorists. they are sympathizers. they are trying to could have -- cover for them. there are clowns out there. there's a lot of crazy republicans out there. the core of the party, they are terrorist sympathizers. they are serious about empowering outside organizations that want to take over the can't and kill anyone who does not believe what they want to believe. we have to sound the alarm.
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the president has to take these people seriously. they have to be held accountable. they are not going to stop until they take over the country or die trying. >> mitch mcconnell, because people like him are willing to suborn terrorism. jason johnson, charlie sykes, thank you very much. be sure to tune in tomorrow. i will be joined by sandra garza, partner of fallen police officer brian sicknick. looking forward to that. joe manchin wants to decide the future of voting rights for people of color. he is making major concessions to republicans, which could portend very bad things for other democratic priorities. the heat might be geting to tonight's worst. he has bigger priorities than keeping constituents cool. it was an historic day at the white house.
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>> manchin specified objections to the for the people act, something we learned about when he released a wish list of changes to the legislation, which included making election day a public holiday, banning partisan gerrymandering, but requiring i.d., a surprise that stacey abrams appeared to support. mitch mcconnell vowing to block any legislation.
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chuck schumer says the senate will vote to advance on tuesday. joining me now is michael harriet, author of "the black af history of america" and jonathan cott. let me start with you, mr. cott. there's been skepticism about senator manchin's role and whether he is playing above board. that audio makes it sound like what he is doing is looking out for the future job prospects of republicans, trying to pad and pave their way with wealthy donors as a way to do the sausage making of making a deal. that is called negotiating with the wrong people. he is not talking to the people who would be affected by voting rights, to black lawmakers like warnock who have to run in the elections. why is he talking to the rich
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folks instead of the people directly affected by the legislation? >> he is talking to the people directly affected by the legislation, the thing i found out after a couple of weeks working for joe manchin and seven years is he will talk to anybody. his phone does not stop ringing. mostly, 90% of the time, it's from west virginia. if you met joe manchin, you probably have his number. that was one hour of his day. i'm guessing he spent another 15, 16 hours of his day talking to other people. he works both sides of the aisle. he is talking to his moderate republican friends. that paid off this week when he saw infrastructure come together. i don't think he is talking to one group of people and not the other. it's just an example of him literally talking to everybody. >> not everybody. we tried to get him to come on the show. he won't do that. he is selective about the tv people he will talk to. he only goes places i think -- i
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would say where he feels that he won't have to get into more of a debate. i will keep leaving that to my producers to try to get him to come on. he won't do it. >> as his former communications director, he rarely said no to tv interviews. he did everything from the young turks to sean hannity. he is willing to talk to anybody. i will see what i can do. >> see what you can do. we would love him on here. michael, i think you and i had a similar reaction. i read your twitter religiously. to the prospect of the manchin compromise, tell me what your impressions of it were. do you think it is a good framework to start from to get a bipartisan bill? . >> the impression is a light
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version of the voter suppression bill with a few compromises that no one was asking for. the point of why we're going through all of this is because the supreme court stripped pre-clearance away. voter i.d. disenfranchises people. whether it's a national voter i.d. or some form of voter i.d. is terrible to do. you are saying, we are going to compromise with a few people, we don't know how many, some people. we are okay with disenfran disenfranchising some people. i don't see how anyone could feel comfortable slapping john lewis' name on a bill that disenfranchises voters.
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gerrymandering will affect african-american lawmakers. republicans and conservatives split up the districts. since those districts are not contiguous, we should gerrymander them by computer, which is a crazy idea. this bill -- having a national holiday is something that's good. but it's nothing that someone is asking for. i think we should point out -- this is the most important fact -- that there is no widespread voter fraud. we're trying to cure something that doesn't exist. ask people for blood samples so you can prove they're not androids. ask them if you can cut -- give a retina scan to prove they can't turn invisible. that's more likely to happen or as likely to happen as widespread voter fraud. he is trying to fix something that doesn't exist to appease republicans.
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>> it's not appeaing them. here is what happened today, jonathan. stacey abrams said good things about the bill, calling it a critical step forward. it makes sense. she's negotiating with somebody who hadn't said what he wants. she said, this is a good start. here is what mitch mcconnell said after -- it's two seconds after she said it sounds like a framework we can start with. >> a revised version produced by one of the democrats yesterday, which has been endorsed by stacey abrams, in what is an extraordinarily dubious constitutionality would remove redistricting from state legislatures and hand it over to computers. equally unacceptable. totally inappropriate. all republicans i think will oppose that as well. >> let's be clear, it doesn't matter what stacey abrams would
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have said. if she said the bill -- the idea is terrible, he would have said, that's why i don't like it. there's nothing -- it's not about her. this is about him. is there any point to having bipartisan conversations about voting rights when you just heard mitch mcconnell say, you will get zero republican votes? >> i think that's just a challenge that joe manchin is happy to accept. he will work to see if he can get -- >> has he ever -- let me ask you, has he ever succeeded? he couldn't get it on gun reform. hasn't been able to get it on anything else. has he delivered ten republican votes for anything ever? >> six months ago, he negotiated a bipartisan covid deal that got billions of dollars to the state. >> i don't think that was -- that was on him? he gets the credit for that? >> i'm not saying it's all him. you are asking times he has been part of deals. he was part of it.
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he is part of a group of 20 senators that just came out with a bipartisan infrastructure package. >> how many democrats voted for that big covid relief bill that came people -- how many republicans voted for that? none of them voted for -- if it's trump, they will do anything. they would lay down in front of a truck for donald trump. easy to get republicans to vote for something trump will sign. if it was to lock their moer mo in the basement, they would vote for that. last word. if at the end of the day we have something that will protect the ability to vote in 2022 so democrats can get that far and move from there, would that be a win? >> i think so. i think what we need, what is most important is pre-clearance and the ability to stop the
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states and these districts from gerrymandering and disenfranchising black voters. i think that's most important part. if it's done, it won't be republicans. they won't sign on to anything. we have this fruitless effort. joe manchin isn't going to get it done. he has never done it. >> i think it's impossible to do. michael, jonathan, thank you for being here. appreciate the debate. the two big rulings from the supreme court today on adoptions byparents and obamacare. does this put an end to the obsession with killing the affordable care act? silly question. we'll be right back. be right ba.
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killing at affordable act has been the great white whale of the republican party. obamacare lives on. the supreme court made clear they want nothing to do with getting rid of the affordable care act. they moved to dismiss the latest challenge. without the individual mandate, which was struck down, the entire law is no longer constitutional, but the justices didn't rule on the question of constitutionality. in a separate ruling, they ruled in favor of a catholic charity that wouldn't allow same-sex foster parents. it was a very narrow ruling that only applied to the specific case without larger implications for future cases. it was a surprise for court watchers given the conserative majority string of rulings for religious minorities carving out
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a protected class. joining me now is dr. patel and sasha buchier. thank you for being here. want to start with dr. patel on obamacare. president obama had to this say. getting rid of that landmark 100 years in the making reform to health care has been the obsession of republicans for a long time. three times and they are out. what does it mean for health care that it has stood the test of time? >> joy, i think it means that everybody wants to have accessible health care that's affordable. i don't think that's a partisan thing to say. i think everybody kind of unanimously can say that. how we get there has been this
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insane kind of division. i will be honest, since republicans started with repeal obamacare and kill obamacare, i thought that this was -- surely, they will come up with something that is better. never in ten years since then have i seen even one provision that could amount to something that i could objectively say improves upon the health care of americans. third time is a charm. this is a bfd. i can't emphasize enough how much i want to move on. we have a lot of work to do. we have to repair the health care system. we have disparities. we have people dying who do not have access to medicate because their states have decided to block attempts to expand access. i hope they make good on that in congress. >> you are right. the fact that so many states are refusing to expand medicaid is shocking and a dereliction of duty to the citizens.
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i'm surprised people don't vote those people out. i added spice to your name. i see a name with a t at the end and i think french. it sounded like it was a loss for the lgbtq community. they disabused me of that. it's not a total loss. in your view, what does it mean, this ruling? >> it's troubling. the ruling is very narrow and focuses specifically on the contract at issue in philly that allowed for this. i think what's most important to keep your eye on is the fact that this -- what this does not do. this does not create a general
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gaping license to discriminate for entities that choose to discriminate against lgbtq family. there are over 400,000 kids in the foster system. same-sex couples are seven types -- times more likely to adopt. that's reprehensible that there are moves to diskram -- discriminate against safe and loving families. >> it was a unanimous ruling. were you surprised by the way it was unanimous? >> yes, i was. we expected to see at least a couple of dissents in the case. i think that because of the specific narrtailoring,
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that's why it was that way. >> dr. patel, the thing that connects all this is that there is this litigation about the human body that's happening. what one can do to one's own body and for one's self. winds up in the courts. it's an uncomfortable thing for a society to do, whether or not you can get health care, whether you will go bankrupt in order to treat yourself if you have can cancer, whether a trans child is fully human who can do other things like living children get to do. does it make you uncomfortable that so much of this autonomy is under the auspices of nine unelected people? >> yeah, it's concerning when you think about how much of reproductive rights, women's health, lgbtq health we have had
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to leave up to the courts. joy, we have had to do that on the basis of race. we are dependent on these interpretations. you will recall some of the previous supreme court decisions had to do with religious organizations not wanting to provide birth control or reproductive services. as a physician, it troubles me greatly that all i try to do is look at the person in front of me and their health. it troubles me incredibly that not just nine justices, we are seeing state legislatures who have zero or health care background getting into this. that actually is even more concerning. you are seeing this play out now in every single state. it aligns, joy, with the same states that want to take away voting rights. it's taking away rights from all of us, including me as a doctor who wants to take care of the person in front of me. >> guns, as many as you want, everywhere you want. it's a strange, strange era. dr. patel, sasha, thank you very
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western states are going through an extreme heat wave. 40 million americans have endured triple digit heat. more than 50 million have been under excessive heat warnings this week. it's so hot that doctors are warning of burns from asphalt. it's not officially summer yet. the west is experiencing an intense drought. the worst in at least 20 years. it should go without saying, but these extreme weather events, it's because of climate change. it's going to get worse if we do nothing. new research from nasa shows the
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earth is now trapping an unprecedented amount of heat with one scientist saying the earth is warming faster than expected. america's infrastructure isn't set up for extreme weather. in february, problems with the texas power grid left millions freezing. now the texas grid operator is asking texans to conserve electricity. the governor signed two bills that he said would fix the flaws that led to february's catastrophe. experts say it didn't go far enough and don't acknowledge the reality of climate change. he met with a climate skeptic before the cold snap. he clearly has other priorities in mind than keeping texans safe from the elements. along with passing the 1836 project last week, which glorifies the year texas got its independence from mexico so it could lone slaves, he signed a
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on this vote, the yays are 415 and the neys are 14. the bill is passed. >> after a hard fought effort congresswoman sheila jackson lee presidedo a vote in the house last night that was years in the making. to designate juneteenth a federal holiday. it defensemen rates the day in 1856 that all black americans in every corn of the station were officially free from slavery. while the bill passed in the house there were still 14 republicans who didn't think that was worthy. president biden signed the legislation. here's the president.
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>> by making juneteenth a federal holiday all americans can feel the power of this day and learn history. great nations don't ignore their most painful moments. great nations don't ignore their most painful moments. they don't ignore those moments in the past. they embrace them. >> while junteenth will now be commemorated nationwide, in some red states it could be illegal to teach what the holiday is about. they're aiming to dictate how historical and modern racism in america are tall. that includes the state of texas where junteenth was first celebrated. governor abbott wants to ban public race theory be caught in any climb yus. joining me is annette gordon reid, author on juneteenth" which i was kicking i didn't
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bring it to get it signed. i got a copy. talk to me about what this means. i was happy for sheila jackson lee. i know she's fought for this for a long time. beyond being a warm and fuzzy sort of acknowledgement of the country and the end of slavery, what does it mean? >> we can begin a discussion about it. one of the great things about this holiday is it's taylor made for history. people have to know what happens, when did it happen, why did it happen that way. and every sort of celebrations i've seen, they always have an educational component. this is the united states, it will be kmod fight in some way. it's some hard things about the past. >> that's inconvenient. that's going to be illegal. we're at a moment where there are a lot of republicans who have made their cause doing the opposite and saying that we're not to talk about history that
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makes anyone who is white uncomfortable. to say anything sort of cast aspersions on slave owners to make them something other than benevolent people to say the founders were sort of innocence on race and that they really had this master plan that they were going to end slavery -- they had slaves, but they had this master plan. if you're not saying that, they should say it's illegal to teach anything like that. how can those two things happen? >> it's a push-back. it's a conundrum. it's a pushback over the efforts since the 50s to bring a more realistic vision about the america -- about america's beginning, slavery and so forth, so i think a lot of people are self-conscious about the strides we've made in doing that in history. i don't know what's going to happen with this. teachers are very -- nigh mother was a high schoolteachers. they're creative people.
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the texas constitution -- the constitution of the republic of texas explicitly talks about race, explicitly talks about people of african descent saying they can't be citizens, promoting slavery, you can't teach that topic. highway are you going to talk about 1836. if you give people the documents, you read it, the questions will arise naturally. we didn't-up admit talking about race. we talk about race a lot in the 18th and 19th century. they put it in laws, letters, policies, sirmans. >> the credit si was -- all their secession documents went there. taking everything that talks about race, probably including your book. you're at harvard where derek bell was -- >> and my classmate. >> who we are desperately trying to get on the show.
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your book is not critical race theory. your book is about junteenth. they're trying to label anything that makes them feel uncomfortable. this is from a guy says the goal is have the public read something crazy and immediately think the range of cultural structures. painfully using critical race theory as a brand name. >> you're right. no one is is teaching critical race theory. >> what is critical race theory? >> it talks about the influence of race in american laws, even things that don't have to do specifically that they're not talking about race. they often have a racial component to it, they have a racial impact and it permanent yates law. that's what people are thinking about. >> what about professor harp. >> law professor.
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this is not k through 12 material but anytime you talk about race, you're talking critical race theory. not everybody who talks about race are critical race theorists. >> fox have mentioned it nearly 1300 times. this is going to be used to get out the vote in 2022. >> absolutely. >> as a hitch it seems like a perversion of the idea of history to take something and slap a label on it when it isn't true. >> it happens all the time. people seek to use history for political ends, and they see that this is an inroad into -- making inroads into making people frightened about the new inclusiveness. it's about history. >> how are you going to celebrate junteenth? >> i'm going to have red soda water. barbecue brisket. we will get some. we will have a good time. >> that sounds good. we keeptrying to plan the
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barbecue. if we could pull it off, you've to the to come. we will make sure we will cat oar you some brisket. would you come. >> i would absolutely come. >> i wish you a happy juneteenth. thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. >> that is the reidout. all in with chris hayes starts now. tomorrow on "all in,". >> nobody knew that health care could be so complicated. >> the supreme court makes it clear. tonight how baker survived the latest republican attempt to deny health care to america. then, the compromise by joe manchin on voter protections that is already a no go with republican senators. >> i actively think when stacy abrams immediately endorsed senator manchin's
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