hip-hop. and bill kristol is a father. that's what we're going to leave it, bill. >> okay. >> peace, ari. >> i love seeing you guys together. >> we're going to do it again. happy father's day to everyone. my thanks to the other dynamic duo, fat joe and bill kristol. that's our program. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. hi, joy. >> he is a father, bill kristol. big ups to fat joe, big ups to brooklyn. spread love the brooklyn way. have a happy father's day weekend. happy juneteenth. we begin "the reidout" tonight with the fringe that has become the mainstream of the republican party. the most popular host on fox news, and elected members of congress, are now embracing one of the bonkers rewrites of american history that we have seen in recent memory. as per usual, it centers on the events of january 6th, when an undeniably pro-trump mob stormed the u.s. capitol in an effort to

overturn his election loss. first republicans tried to blame antifa. then they tried to blame democrats posing as trump supporters. then, they tried to say, well, it wasn't an insurrection at all, even claiming the insurrectionists were as peaceful as tourists. now they have settled on an alarming new narrative. last night, tucker carlson doubled down on the baseless conspiracy theory he raised on tuesday, alleging once again without any actual evidence that the fbi played a role in carrying out the insurrection. in other words, he's suggesting it was an inside job, another so-called false flag operation by the deep state. tuckms says because court documents name unindicted coconspirators were named, those people must be undercover fbi agents. one of the problems is by definition, the government literally cannot name an agent as onunindicted coconspirator,

and it's no surprise the theory arose on a dubious website run by a former trump speechwriter. never mind it was immediately debunked. republicans are not letting facts stand in their way. just as they did in the russia probe, they're embracing this deep state theory in an effort to deflect blame from their dear leader, the former president. that's why we saw marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz accusing fbi operatives for the insurrection this week. and yesterday, congressman louie gohmert of texas said this on the house floor. >> there are some major, major questions that need to be answered, because we don't like to see government agents stirring up trouble or find that there are criminal acts that would not likely have occurred

had not the federal government been participating. >> republicans are clearly trying to make the fbi the enemy. and that might not be a coincidence. given that the fbi is the agency investigating the actual people responsible for the insurrection. in fact, nbc obtained a transcript of an fbi interview with an alleged capitol insurrectionist, and it shows that agents not only asked about his possible connections to right-wing groups like the proud boys, the 3 percenters or the oath keepers. they also asked whether the defendant had any potential connections to members of congress as well. and presumably, that line of questioning is not unique to that particular defendant. which might be putting some republican lawmakers on edge. in fact, the defendant in that fbi interview happens to be the retired new york police officer and former marine thomas webster, who is accused of doing this to a capitol police

officer. >> unbelievably, in his fbi interview, webster suggested that the officer he attacked was instigating him, which he says got him a little worked up. joining me now, nbc for washingtonive investigative reporter scott mcfarland. scott, this is a fascinating sort of line of inquiry. let's start with the fact this man, mr. webster, is blaming the police for what he did to the police. that's odd. talk to me a little bit about this defendant and also about the fact that the questions that are coming up in these interviews include whether or not these guys had connections to any members of congress.

>> yeah, joy. good evening. let's start with the fact that mr. webster is a former police officer himself, former new york police, also a former marine. he's accused of attacking an officer right there outside the capitol january 6th. we have gone through thousands of court filings so far. this is our first look, though, at an fbi transcript and interview with a defendant. thomas webster. you mentioned some of the top lines there, that they are questioning him. they're focused on whether he had ties to the oathkeepers. the 3 per isn'ters, the proud boys. he declines, saying he has any connection to those groups, says he does not. then the fbi presses him further, asks if he has any connections to congressional members, congressional staff, and u.s. capitol police. we have tried to reach the fbi to talk about this interview. they declined to comment. but a former federal prosecutor in d.c. says that is a significant line of questioning. the former federal prosecutor says that it is indicative of an investigation into potential complicity of members of

congress in this, at least the potential for complicity. but also, drilling down on staff is important, too, joy, because staff have access to the buildings. staff know the routes, and staff could be part of this umbrella as well. >> and let me ask you this, was there any indication that part of that questioning related to whether or not people like mr. webster came to the capitol beforehand? we know there are allegations from other members of congress that some of these insurrectionists got tours of the capitol before the january 6th attack. >> i would expect this questioning is happening for multiple defendants. i don't see that reflected in this transcript, but also, this is a defendant who told the fbi he doesn't know anybody in congress, doesn't know staff, doesn't know capitol police. in fact, he calls himself apolitical. sehe hasn't been to washington in decades. perhaps that changed the complexion of future questions. it's striking to me how often they go back to asking about far right groups. unequivocally, that is the epicenter of this sweeping

investigation right now. the three percenters, the proud boys, the oathkeepers. multiple defendants charged together. that's different. that happenwise the far right groups, and the most severe charges, conspiracy, assault on officers, only some cases include that charge. all the far right groups do, joy. >> yeah, wow. it is fascinating. scott mcfarland, thank you very much. we hope you will come back. great reporting. republicans are not only targeting the fbi. the party that claims that blue lives matter wouldn't even stick up for the officers who protected them when their lives were at stake. they seem to forget it was just four months ago that officer brian sicknick, who died after engaging with the insurrectionists on january 6th, lay in honor in the capitol rotunda, a rare and fitting tribute to his heroism that day. last month, his longtime partner and others lobbied senators for an investigation into the insurrection, yet, republicas

blocked it. ms. garza, thank you for being here. i have been very much looking forward to talking to you. i want to first get your reaction to what you just heard from scott mcfarland. the idea that there were fellow brother officers that were attacking men like your husband, people like your husband were injured by people like thomas webster, who himself was a former nypd officer. what do you make of that? >> well, joy, first, i just want to say thank you so much for having me on your program. and brian was my longtime partner, but it's absolutely loathsome, it's detestable to think that other law enforcement officers were out there attacking capitol police, metropolitan police, and other sister law enforcement agencies that were out there that day. you know, i mean, i can't even wrap my head around it. it's so saddening.

and it's just -- it's unbelievable. i actually was invited last week by the national association of police wives to do a facebook live interview. and they were absolutely sickened by what they had heard as well. other law enforcement officers out there attacking their significant others, their spouses, and just the overall, you know, cold shoulder by members of congress where they were defending them, protecting them and not only that, defending democracy that day. these republicans claim to be the patriots, the people that love america the most. and yet how are they showing that they love america? these people were out there beating these officers with american flags. blue line flags. and they were willing to allow

these people to overthrow the will of the people. and to allow donald trump to go in there with brute force and overthrow what the american people wanted. i mean, it's unbelievable. it's maddening. >> and you know, what's striking here is that you go wack and think about the fact that this guy, ali alexander, who is still in hiding, had claimed in advance there were members of congress who were helping him set up the events at the ellipse that happened before the attack on the capitol. paul gosar is one of them. andy biggs is one, mo brooks is one of them. this is what paul gosar, who is one of the people who is named by one of the organizers of the event that preceded the attack that wound up causing or contributing to the death of brian sicknick. here's what paul gosar, this is how he questioned fbi director wray this week. >> why hasn't that officer that

executed ashley been named when police officers around the country are routinely identified after a shooting? >> what do you make of the fact that paul gosar is demanding that this officer, who actually, i mean, we talk a lot about shootings that are questionable on this show. this is one that was not questionable from a law enforcement perspective. this officer had to do what he had to do to protect everyone behind that door, and he did what his job -- what do you make of the fact paul gosar wants his name out there? >> well, i think, you know, first of all, i think he should be scared to death and wondering if fbi director wray is going to start investigating him for posing for photos with a proud boys member, and also why on earth he is attending a white nationalist conference. and i would like to know if that is being done on taxpayers' dime.

you know, that's my concern here. we know that a lot of these white nationalist groups were the most responsible for instigating the events that happened on january 6th. and here we have a member of congress that is going to conferences. it's unbelievable. so i think, you know, fbi director wray has actually more questions for him than he has for director wray. >> what have you dealt with in the aftermath of this? you are out there, and you and brian sicknick's mom have been on capitol hill. is that something you have ever done before? i doubt this is an experience that you're used to doing. you put yourself out there. what has been the reaction that you have gotten? >> no, i have never done this before. and as i was saying yesterday, i'm just a regular person who happened to be thrust into this

due to the events of january 6th, like most, i would say, you know, people who were moved by the footage of that day. i was appalled. and i could not sit idly by and do nothing. also, obviously in addition to knowing that someone i loved very much suffered and saw his colleagues suffer during his last moments on earth, you know, i felt compelled to do something. and because of that, sadly, i have received a lot of backlash and unkind comments online. but you know, that's not going to stop me from doing the right thing. i feel that this is more important than dealing with trolls and people who hide behind fake names and not even putting their photo out there,

and you know, people's opinions. but it is difficult. i'm not going to say it's easy. i think some people have the misconception that this is fun for me. it's not fun. but i feel compelled to do it. and gladys, i know, feels the same way. it's something that has to be done. >> it's very brave of you to do. i have to ask you to react to the fact that andrew clyde, who is a member of congress from georgia, refused to shake the hand of the metropolitan police officer who may have saved his life. we saw andrew clyde helping to barricade the door from the insurrectionists. and you know, mr. finone, officer finone has suffered terribly. he had brain injuries and a heart attack. what do you make of the fact mr. clyde wouldn't shake his hand and republicans don't want to give congressional gold medals to these officers. that could have been brian sicknick, had he survived, he might have been the guy whose

hand andrew clyde refused to shake. >> that's right, joy, and it makes me incredibly angry. it's not right. it's unfair. and i think they're all cowards. they are more concerned about their political careers and appeasing the donald than they are in doing the right thing, and it's detestable. you know, i mean, these people fought for hours and endured incredible abuse. i mean, not to mention officer dunn, who endured hours of racial slurs. so much to the point that he literally fell to his knees, you know, was so emotionally overwhelmed in dealing with that. and this is how these people are going to repay them, by holding up the congressional gold medal of honor. i mean, it's absolutely disgusting. and you know what, their family members need to put pressure on them. because they need to be thankful

to all of law enforcement that day that saved their lives. they need to put pressure on them and say, hey, listen, you need to do the right thing here. i'm glad that you're here with me, that we are here eating dinner together, that we get to spend each day together. the only reason we're able to do that is because of law enforcement that day. >> yeah, it's hard to say blue lives matter if that's how you're treating folks. tell me one great thing about brian sicknick that people should know, people that you would love for people to know. >> he was a warm, gentle person. and it hurts me that he had to deal with what he did. he got along with everybody. and it's a shame the people who attacked him, they probably would have been friends with him. >> well, so sorry for your loss. please pass our condolences on to brian's mom. we have seen the pictures of you two together. lovely, so thank you so much for being here. god bless you, sandra garza. thank you. >> thank you. >> up next on "the reidout,"

well, you don't exist in the gop unless you embrace the big lie. and wait until you see how the maga crowd greeted mike pence today. >> plus, the more you know, the new federal holiday juneteenth is trump's gift to the blacks. nobody ever heard of it before. as he proclaimed. >> meanwhile, tonight's absolute worst is yearning for the days of the former game show host was president. a brain surgeon ran housing policy, and a big trump donor with no education experience was in charge of education. >> and comedian and director d.l. hughley joins me with his thoughts on juneteenth, critical race theory, and how to survive america. "the reidout" continues after this. pain? yeah. here. aspercreme with max-strength* lidocaine. works fast and lasts. keep it. you're gonna need it. kick pain in the aspercreme

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the worst and the dimmest of the republican party got together in florida today to pander to a key voting bloc, white evangelicals with an eye toward the 2022 midterm elections. let's be honest, and 2024.

they took turns taking on the maga culture wars at a faith and freedom event, including supergenius in his own mind, ted cruz. >> you know, i had just this week on capitol hill, i had a reporter run up to me, thought he had a gotcha. what's critical race theory. apparently, he thought i would turn to him and say, gause, i have no idea. i think it's really bad because i don't know what it is, because conservatives are morons and we don't know what it's about. karl marx views the entire world as a conflict between the working man and the proletariat. critical race theory takes the same marxist concept except it replaces class with race. and let me tell you right now, critical race theory is bigoted. it is a lie, and it is every bit as racist as the klansmen in white sheets. >> no, no, no, ted. that's not what critical race theory is. you know when you feel embarrassed for someone when they don't have the good sense

to feel embarrassed for themselves? the most infamous and orangest party wasn't there, but parties continue to bend the knee, as nbc's first read noted, call it maga bingo. when a party no longer offers a party platform or new public policy ideas, the way for its paul tish titians to distinguish itself is through symbols, gestures, performance art, and above all, loyalty to the former president. in addition to harping incorrectly as always about critical race theory, which has nothing to do with the theoretical underpinnings of a classless society. that's what marxism is. texas governor greg abbott's fronting big bucks for the orange man's border wall. in ohio, josh men dell is setting masks on fire for, who knows why. and missouri's disgraced former governor turned senate candidate eric greitens ran to arizona's fraudt to avenge his dear leader.

today, we also saw how insufficient jen uflexion to the big lie takes over when mike pence took to the stage in florida. >> i want to thank my friend ralph reed for those overly generous words. i'm deeply humbled by them. ralph reed knows me well enough to know the introduction i prefer is a little bit shorter. i'm a christian, a conservative, and a republican in that order. and i am honored to stand before you today. >> joining me now is the host of a host on sirius xm, and david jolly, a former republican congressman who is no longer affiliated with the party. mine pence should be happy they didn't start chanting hang mike pence, which is an oldie but a goody. your thoughts. >> some did chant traitor. can we just judgment to d.l. hughley, we'll have better

content talking to him than listening to those who were pandering to white evangelicals in the republican party down in florida. look, i mean, this is one more day that affirms how far the party has gotten from some type of conservative construction, some idealogical construction that is the pulse of the party. you're right, they are in this listless moment where they're still trying to figure out how to cater to donald trump but where the next generation of republican leaders are trying to figure out how to get around him. and it's fascinating to see that group, desantis, haley, pompeo, others. there are different strategies. at this point, i think watch how ron desantis is handling all of this. he is doing the conservative things. he's behaving in a somewhat trumpist way, but he's not always giving the nod to donald trump. he's protecting his own identity. you can't say that about everybody else that took that stage today down in florida. >> well, yeah. let's move on to marco rubio. dean, there's a meme, that meme

that's like the guy who's got a girl next to him and he's looking back at the other girl, and the girl behind him is sharia law. the girl in front of him now is critical race theory. you know, because republicans are like, which of those two things am i going to demagogue today. let's show marco rubio doing the marxism fandango. >> the old marxism, the old markism used economics to gain control. the new marxism, new marxism uses identity politics. and the result is something that looks nothing like america. there's no reason to believe that this new marxism will result in anything but what the old marxism resulted in. >> they actually literally don't know what marxism is, so they keep saying marx; markism. i brought up the sharia law thing because they did that before. like every state in america is going to input sharia law and it's going to come to your state. we better legislate against it before it happens. now they're doing it with critical race theory. your thoughts.

>> it's the same exact thing. first of all, the chanting mike pence is a traitor is -- is that what jesus would have done? i don't think so. but the christians there, the evangelicals are very upset with mike pence. and critical race theory is the new bogeyman. it has replaced sharia law. why not talk about my people? what about us muslims. it didn't matter because what the difference is now, look, they use critical race theory. when you look at the laws they have passed, in 20 states they have passed laws and regulations. it's systemic racism. they don't want to teach people that there's systemic racism that you can draw a line from slavery to jim crow to today's racial wealth gap, where the median white family has ten times more in assets than the median black family. they want to believe the white mythology. white santorum, we birthed this

nation from nothing, we. no, guess what, native americans were here, and black people helped build this nation. and guess what, 20% of those slaves were muslims. it was us. they weren't bringing sharia. they were working here as an enslaved people. >> yeah, that is absolutely right. and i mean, you know, to stay with marco rubio for a moments. he's now facing something he's not used to. he's going to face a tough fight. val demings hold jonathan capehart he's afraid of a tough fight. i'm not. i grew up poor, black, and female in the south. i believe it's doable. how does marco rubio, will he just deconstruct when he actually faces somebody who is not afraid of his silly marxism buffoonery, which is just bs? >> to me or david? >> david. david first. >> yeah, joy. marko rubio doesn't have the intellect to go toe to toe with val demings in this race. and i mean it. you will hear a lot of americana

themes from marco rubio, but they will mean nothing. we also have to recognize, this is a moral inflection point, this conversation around critical race theory. because it can be debated what should be in the curriculum in our classrooms. that's fine. what they're doing is turning their head to our racist past. they're turning a blind eye to it. the most valuable education any student can have is to be taught to think critically. the reality is, the united states was founded by one race that owned another. and our constitution and our laws were constructed to protect that ownership of another race. and that has drawn out for generations in a way that has affected the ladders of education and opportunity and finance and home ownership and opportunity and labor for one race that is still suffering from that condition on which our nation was founded. now, we don't need educators to tell you what to do with that information, but we need educators to prepare kids to think critically about it. and if we don't, we're failing our kids. so when ted cruz and marco rubio make light of this and make a joke of this, it is a moral

failing of those two in this moment. val demings is going to nail marco rubio to the wall on this. >> the thing that's so sad and pathetic about marco rubio and ted cruz is if donald trump hinted he thought marxism was the way, they would both be declaring marxism is the one true religion, dean. tomorrow. >> everything to the gop is, it's not -- remember, we would hear this thing. republicans are silent because they fear donald trump. no, they were silent because they agreed with donald trump. he is not an aberration. he's a manifestation of the gop. it's been catering to white nationalists for years. you have got the christian sharia law today. he had a big conference for that down there. you have this cruelty, the anti-muslim bigotry. it's a package. he was this one big person that did all of it. i can just say oddly enough, joy, critical race theory, being palestinian in heritage, it's critical when you want to erase the humanity of a group. the same lie about us, the idea

there were no palestinians in what was ultimately israel, so you didn't know about our story, so we could be erased. if you don't know the story of black americans, you can deny it the same way. that's what part of this is. >> and the indigenous as well. absolutely. well said. dean and david, happy juneteenth to both of you. coming up, natasha brown, cofounder of black voters matter, joins us from the blackest bus in america. stay tuned to find out what that's all about. facing leaks. so here's to the strong, who trust in our performance and comfortable long-lasting protection. because your strength is supported by ours. depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you. spray, lift, skip, step. swipe, lift, spin, dry. slam, pan, still...fresh move, move, move, move aaaaand still fresh. degree. ultimate freshness activated when you move.

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repeating itself, and unfortunately, 2021 is eerily reminiscent of 1961. to date, 14 states have enacted suppressive voting laws that target brown, black, and asian communities. just like in the struggles of the 1960s, much of the hard work of pushing back against these moves is left to the people. black voters matter, which played a seminal role in turning georgia blue, is redoubling its efforts. tomorrow, it will launch its freedom rides for voting rights. a voter outreach campaign meant to engage black voters and expand their power. today, they hosted a pre-launch event in new orleans and they were joined by two original freedom riders. the tour will hit seven states and coincides with the 60-year anniversary of the original freedom rights. joining me is latosha brown,

cofounder of black voters matter. first, i'm extremely jealous. you're in nola and on the blackest bus in america, and i'm feeling fomo, but i'm going to get over it. talk to me about the tour. what is the plan, and what is the purpose? >> you know, it has been wonderful. today is our prelaunch. we wanted to make sure that we came to new orleans. most people may not know, but the final destination that was intended for the freedom ride was actually new orleans. they never really fully got there, the same kind of way, because of all of the violence, they had to reroute and do other things, although eventually it came to new orleans. we wanted to start our freedom tour where literally where it left off to show that we're giving homage. one of the things we did, it started in new orleans. there were three original freedom riders that we literally honored today. you know, we know that we're traveling in ten cities across the nation in the next seven days, and that's because of the work they did. that they literally laid the

foundation and made sure we can move around freely. we have our own work to do, with voter suppression happening right now in 47 states where we have these proposed bills to restrict access to the ballot, this is our moment. we're riding out and we're on the blackest bus in america. we have been joined by our partners. over 22 national partners. united sent three buses from texas, and tomorrow, we'll kick it off on juneteenth of june 27th. >> that's the original og bus, now i'm doubly jealous. i didn't know that about new orleans. i love learning something. that's one of the things i love about the show. i know one of urstops is west virginia. and part of that advocacy is to send a message to the senators that we need to pass voting rights urgently. joe manchin, i have seen you tweet about his ideas about a pushback and his own version of a voting bill. you're already nodding. what do you make of his proposal? >> a couple things. why are we negotiating voting rights in 2021?

we're looking at -- we're actually negotiating away voting rights for people who participated in the process. matter of fact, one of the problems with manchin's bill is in some of the states, they don't have voter id. in some of the states, they don't have from the repressive policies we have in the other states, so to nationalize, to take his policy, we would be restricting access to the ballot in certain states. why would we do that? why should we do that? that's very undemocratic. what we're saying is we're still supporting and pushing for the people act, because that's what we need right now. and the john lewis voting advancement act, and yes, we're going to west virginia and going to west virginia strong. we have been invited with several organizations leading in west virginia. we're taking seven buses. i think there's something that the people of west virginia have to say, that as manchin is saying he's speaking for the folks of west virginia. no, he's not. overwhelmingly, almost 70% of west virginians support for the people act. so he should as well. we're going to go remind him,vi.

>> you have freedom riders on the bus. i'm sure you're getting so much wisdom to talk about the way they did advocacy. can you talk about the ways in which this outside pressure can move the politics here? because what we need in the end is either 50 votes to overturn the filibuster so we can get on with it, or somehow, some sort of miraculous 60 votes, which let's be honest, is never going to happen. how do we actually go from the stasis we're in right now to a voting rights bill that you're right, it's ridiculous we need it in 2021, but we need it. >> you know, i think what we're going to have to do is people of this nation are going to have to step up and we're going to have to literally old electors accountable. we should not be in the circumstances where elected officials are telling us who the voters are going to be. it has to be the reverse. we have to recognize voting rights is on the line, and what it does is fundamentally, while it has been targeted at black voters, it would restrict access to the ballot to all of us.

i think a couple things we believe is we have to organize the voters just as we did in 2018, just as we did in 2020, we have to organize our communities, educate our communities, and we have to show up with a coalition of black people, white people, latinx people, indigenous folks, asian-americans, those of us who really believe in democracy have to say no, and it's more of us than it is a small group of elite racist folks who want to be able to maintain and keep power. >> well, we will see you in d.c. latosha brown, when you get here, we'll be there. latosha brown, thank you very much. still ahead, happy juneteenth. d.l. hughley is here to talk about his searingly hilarious new book "how to survive america." but first, irony reaches new heights of awfulness in tonight's absolute worst. stay with us. don't like surprises? [ watch vibrates ] proactive notifications from fidelity keep you tuned in all day long. so when something happens that could affect your portfolio,

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she dropped out of the race, guys, for the democrat primaries before her home state of california even voted. she was polling at 2%, she dropped out before marianne williamson even did. she was not a very popular person, and clearly, she probably thought maybe i'm in over my head here. now, she is vice president of the united states. and i think we're seeing the consequences of possibly choosing a person based on identity politics, based on they gender, and not qualifications. this is what you get. again, an embarrassment for america. >> okay, so y'all will be excused if you have no idea who that blond lady was. that was lara trump. wife of trump's secondary fail son, eric. daring to say that vice president kamala harris isn't qualified for her job. what? okay, just a quick recap. vice president harris was the district attorney of san francisco, california attorney general, and a united states senator before she was nominated to be vice president of the united states. lara trump, meanwhile, is a

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higher rates of covid to fox news courting guests that say they have lower iqs, it isn't easy being black in america. it kind of wishes you had a survival guide for these overtly racist times, when even bird watching is considered high-risk behavior. which is exactly what d.o. hughley joins me now. author of "how to survive america," i will hold up the book right here. i have my copy. one day i want it signed when i see you again. d.l., congratulations, thank you on the book. your book is brutal. the opening is rough. it is telling very hard truths and it basically is saying, with all of these things that we face, you know, congratulations surviving. and by the way, the world is going to tell you everything that's going wrong is your fault. talk about why you where this book and what people are going to learn? >> before i do that, i want to comment on laura trump.

it's interesting how everybody denigrates kamala harris' race and gender when it was her race and gender that kicked your ass in arizona and georgia and it's the reason that you've written 350 laws to suppress the vote. so that woman who you consider not qualified beat the most powerful man in the world at his own game. >> firm, but fair. >> so she changed georgia blue while you guys changed a bunch of rules. >> there grow. >> i wrote the book because i was recovering from covid and i was actually promoting my last book and watching jerome adams tell black people that even though covid was ravaging the world, but it was our drinking and smoking and eating that predisposed us to the fact that we were disproportionately affected by it.

historically, it's the way it's always been. no matter what happens to us, if we're shot by the police, it's our fault. if our children died during childbirth, it's our fault. if we have childhood asthma, it's our fault. and so ultimately, i don't think that there's ever been a death, even when you watch what happened to george floyd, if you listen to the medical experts, he basically told us, it was everything but a knee on his neck. so america has always been, either we have kind of these fragile human beings or america continues to participate, is a pretty monstrous thing. and i don't see anything changing like, we ask for justice, and they give us a three-day weekend. >> yeah. firm, but fair. >> and time and a half. >> yeah, no, you're absolutely right. what do you make of the irony that you have now a whole movement, they call it critical

race theory, they don't know what critical race theory is. but their core argument is don't undermine our own sense of our own past perfection, the perfection of our side. the slave owners, the confederate soldiers, we need them to be innocent. don't ever try to paint us with a broad brush. but, by the way, we're going to paint you with a broad brash. all y'all are -- so they don't want to be painted with the broad brush of slave owners, but they're basically doing, as you said, painting black people with the broad brush of anything bad this they could think of. >> even, you're telling -- you're telling teachers that they can't teach about slavery. but yet we have a juneteenth holiday now. >> right. >> so what are those kids off from school for? what do you say about all of these dudes with bronze statues. because what they want is the monuments and the affects of slavery, they want it everywhere, but they don't admit

anything will happen. to get a statue in america, all you have to do is be incredibly brutal to black people. there are way more statutes of robert e. lee than there'll ever be of black people. i think that we are just entrenched in having them be predisposed to see us, in a way that no matter what happens to us, they're not inclined to be sympathetic and we have this notion that you're not supposed to do victim blaming, but that's been going on here for 200 years. >> but what you see on the right, and i've seen a few of this, including some relatives of folks who were trump friends, out there trying put out videos. trying to use black people to make this argument. look at you, d.l. you're a successful, well off -- look at how well you've done. you are the proof. barack obama is the proof. oprah is the proof. i'm -- i've got a tv show. that's the proof that there is no racism and what in the hell are you complaining about? what do you make of those

attempts to try to use you? >> black people are always judged by the rule and not the exception. the exception and not the rule. everybody is not michael jordan or barack obama or joy reid. but some pretty ordinary people get to do extraordinary things if you're a white guy. all anybody wants is the ability to be ordinary and still have a decent life. but only we are judged by the exception and never the rule. most people aren't exceptional. ergo the word "exceptional." if we all achieved exception allism, there would be no need to have this conversation. but the point is, no matter who you are, what you do, if you manage to survive, all of us manage to survive some pretty trying circumstances. you can't think of anybody that was successful, but didn't. and i don't care what ideology they ascribe to. but the thing i find interesting is why is it that i've got to be

michael jordan or barack obama to be successful? why can't i just be a dude who wants to raise his family, go to work, be an upstanding citizen and have a decent life without all of the drawbacks of being black. >> and what are the survival strategies? one of the things i love about your book, you're talking about how to survive. give us one preview. how do we survive this? >> you've got to be lucky. i don't think there's anything that george floyd could have done that day that would have helped him survive, except not be in the same proximity of derrick chauvin. he begged him, called his dead mother, he had witnesses around, he submitted, he was compliant. the only thing that could have kept him alive was not being in those circumstances. just like anybody who passed on from covid. there was a black woman, she was from indianapolis, indiana, a black doctor, she was telling

them what was wrong and what they needed to do and she knew that she was going to survive. what she had to survive that was not be a black woman in that circumstance. unless we change the backdrop of the circumstances, the best that we got is like, we prayed, we've marched, we've acclimated ourselves. it says a lot that now, that the only offer that we have is just don't put yourself in those circumstances. that you can't be in the wrong place at the wrong time. >> this is the book. d.l. hughley, this is it, "how to survive america." thank you so much for being here. 33 i don't know what happened. before we go tonight, let's do a quick moment of joy. on june 19th, 1865, army general granger arrived in galveston, texas, a message. enslaved black people were free. the emancipation proclamation issued two and a half years later had been hidden from these enslaved texans, and at that crucial moment in our nation's history has been celebrated as

juneteenth for more than 150 years. first in texas and then in other western states like colorado, where i grew up, and in parts of the south. yes, my sister, june carroll was runner-up in a juneteenth pageant when we were kids. juneteenth is a national expression of black freedom. it's our actual independence day, because real talk on january 4th, 1776, we were not invited to the barbecue except to cook and serve food and clean up. that invite to freedom would come one hundred years later. so i think about those who waited, those who remained in bondage two long years after the emancipation proclamation, and though much as changed, we are still waiting for our right to justice and our right to vote. we're still waiting on our anti-lynching day, but juneteenth is now being recognized as a federal holiday was a win, a symbolic thing, but a win. and the irony is not lost on me that we're getting a juneteenth holiday during a literal legislative campaign to erase black history. but that doesn't mean we have to

let the anti-history, anti-voting, cancel all the culture crowd steal our joy. because joy is an act of resistance, celebrated boldly and in defiance of every attempt to take it away. you go be with your loved ones and celebrate and have yourself a happy and very well-deserved juneteenth. that is tonight's "reidout." "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> i want to thank my friend, ralph reed, for those overly generous words. i'm deeply humbled by them. >> mike pence heckled by his own party faithful, as new video emerges of the violence on the capital on 6th. and the fbi starts questioning insurrectionists about their questions with members of congress. and then, as the bogus arizona audit starts to wrap up, the republican fight against voting rights expands across the country. >> i've taken a loo