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ooh, she looked like she had a little bit of vacay, and i loved that conversation about fathers. all of that was so great, but trumaine lee, i've known him a lot of years and that guy always makes sense. i love that. >> he's so great. >> you make sense, too, my friend, as always. i will see you next saturday. have a good one. to all of you, we will start this show right now. ♪♪ ♪♪ i bid you a good day from msnbc world headquarters in new york. it is spot on high noon here in the east and 9:00 a.m. out west and welcome, alex witt, reports. history in the making, juneteenth for the first time since it became a federal holiday, a brand new memorial statue unveiled in brooklyn just hours ago. congressman jim clyburn reacting
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telling my colleague ali velshi, in a renewed push for the george floyd policing bill. >> statues are great. they are symbolic, but what would be greater is having the george floyd justice information act. let's sit down around the table and let's reach a compromise. >> meantime, the white house is celebrating a major milestone. the u.s. administering over 300 million covid shots across the last 150 days. the administration, though, still well short of its goal to have 70% of adults with at least one dose of vaccine by july 4th, but president biden says his efforts won't stop there as the dangerous delta variant is spreading in several states. >> deaths and hospitalizations are drastically down in places where people are getting vaccinated and unfortunately, cases and hospitalizations are not going down in many places in the lower vaccination rate states.
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they're actually going up in some places. the new variant will leave unvaccinated people more vulnerable than they are a month ago, or a month ago. >> and on capitol hill, a glimmer of hope on the horizon as bipartisan lawmakers are gaining support on both sides of the aisle for a narrowed down infrastructure plan. the new proposal will be revealed on monday and the big question, what's in it and will it have the votes? some democrats are saying not so fast. >> let me put two red lines, i think, for progressives. first, no climate, no deal. second, no progressive taxation, no deal. >> we go beyond the headlines now with nbc's monica alba joining us from the white house and amanda golden at the capitol. ladies, good morning, or rather, good day to you. monica, the lawmakers are divided on how to tackle the infrastructure bill, so what are the ideas that are floating around? >> there are a couple of options, alex. we're not at a much more
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advanced place before the president left for his foreign travels and now that he's back he will be awaiting to review that latest proposal. we know that there's still a huge appetite from this white house to try to strike a bipartisan deal, so now we're getting some more details and of course, we remember a couple of weeks ago the president did reject the republican counter proposal because it didn't have enough new spend, but the new idea and framework would have about 579 billion in new spending a number that could make the white house a bit happier and also now we know there are some republicans who would support it. that is a major question and you have to have ten and there could be as many as 11 who could get onboard and the other piece to this puzzle is the democratic factor there and maybe not all of those senators would approve something like this because they also will have their own concerns and you saw there also in the house from progressive this issue of climate is something that could also stall the talks. so monday, we will know a lot
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more about where the president and the white house and lawmakers can feel to get some common ground here on infrastructure, but at the same time, we know majority leader chuck shumer is saying we can still go it alone with democrats which is the preference for some, but that will be happening on a different track and the only thing we know for sure is that the white house insists this president does not want to raise taxes on anybody making less than $400,000 a year and there are still details and debate over how to pay for this massive infrastructure plan and we've heard more about where things stand from senator chris van holland who spoke to our own craig melvin and take a look at how the latest discussion making is going? >> if you look at president biden's american jobs plan, that's the plan for modernizing our infrastructure. if you look at this through the american families plan, we know that the bipartisan bill, if it emerges will not begin to meet those needs and that ambition which is important for the
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country, which is why, no matter what, we will have to have a reconciliation process that gets all 50 democratic senators onboard. that's not a backup plan. >> and a mentioned, alex, the president will be having some conversations this weekend and he's not here at the white house. he is spending it at his home in wilmington, delaware. we just got some sad news in the last few minutes or so to report the biden's older german shepherd, champ, who at age 13 passed away peacefully at home, we are learning in a white house statement and we know that the bidens had really wanted to adopt that younger dog, major, who we've seen around to try to help with the older dog and really keep him alive a little bit longer and that was one of the main reasons that they were able to rescue him. the bidens is a family that has been celebrating these pets and these dogs for so long and obviously, very sad for them and they report that think, they will miss champ very much in the
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days to come and we probably will hear more from the president on that at some point. >> that is so heartbreaking and given the president who shares his emotions on his sleeve, our condolences to them and thank you for that report. >> congress is gearing up for a voting rights showdown. the senate set to vote on a sweeping elections bill tuesday and though the bill is expected to fail, it still could turn out to be a win for democrats. how is that? let's go to next's amanda golden on capitol hill with that. >> why bring it to a vote if the gop has shut it down, amanda? >> the answer is virtue signaling here. it shows democratic priorities are still moving forward and that's what they hope to show case and even with this vote almost certainly going to fail on tuesday. the tactical victory for democrats could be if all of the republicans are united in
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opposing this bill and if all of the democrats are united in supporting it and that is seen as a real possibility especially with the com from myself that was suggested with formerly the for the people act from senator joe manchin and the moderate democratic senator who said he wouldn't support this bill. he had said he would support the john lewis rights advancement act which had one republican senator onboard and manchin is saying he could get to yes and open the floor for debate on this bill by making a few changes and one of the ways he wants to compromise here is making election day a federal holiday and getting provisions around voter i.d. and it was accepted by stacy abrams and arguably, the leading democratic voice on this issue and that's adding more fuel to the fire for republicans in jointly opposing this and there is a fundamental divide here within parties with
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republicans not believing there was a role, and intervening with the elections. >> and we are getting fresh reaction from lawmakers and that's here's what congressman joe clieburn told ali velshi about the bill. >> i said the morning of the release, and i thought it was a great step in the right direction. i do believe, however, that voting rights like all other constitutional rights will not be subjected filibusters and now this reducing from 50 to 55 that didn't get it from me. what gets it from me is to remove the filibuster from constitutional issues as we have done for the budget because i do believe that it is very, very important for us to do that. this is putting renewed pressure on the 60-vote threshold. the need for a filibuster that has been needed in the senate,
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there aren't votes to reform the filibuster or make changes to it, and one of the two democratic senators who have firmly said they will not support making changes to it, alex? >> amanda golden from the capitol, thank you very much for that. >> joining me now is maryland senator ben cardin, he is also chair of the environment and public works committee, the subcommittee transportation and infrastructure. senator, welcome back to the show. good to see you, sir. i'm curious what you make of joe manchin's proposed changes to the voting rights bill and whether or not you support them. >> alex, it's good to be with you. i think the democrats are showing that we are prepared to compromise. the vote this week is an interesting vote. it's a vote on whether we want to proceed to a debate on the floor of the united states senate. i find it very disturbing that republicans won't vote to start a discussion of voter integrity.
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democrats are prepared to compromise, but we won't compromise the integrity of our voting system. so we'll see how the vote turns out this week, but i can tell you, in our caucus, we are prepared to make compromises to bring unity and we welcome is republican support. >> senator, for those who haven't heard mitch mcconnell in his own words say his thoughts on this, let's play that right now. here it is. >> it still turns the federal election commission from a judge and to a prosecutor, equally unacceptable, totally inappropriate, all republicans, i think, will oppose, as well. >> unacceptable, inappropriate. how would you even move forward and try to get anything done on this when you have that sort of stalling approach? >> well, a couple of things. first, mitch mcconnell clearly does not even want to talk about voter integrity. we could have amendments on the floor of the senate that would
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deal with some of the issues if he was really concerned about those issues, but at the end of the day, clyburn is correct. if we can't get the republicans to even let us have a discussion about voter integrity issues, then we have to look at alternative ways to get this done because these are fundamental rights for the american people. we cannot allow voter viets to be taken away. >> amen to that. >> as you know, senate democrats are moving ahead with a $6 trillion spending bill without republican support and the white house, we know, is still considering what could be the last bipartisan offer on infrastructure. that's a $1 trillion package. how do you expect this to play out? >> well, alex, i do think there will be a two-part process. we hope there could be a bipartisan bill, and and i know what's in this compromise. it's fun, but it doesn't go far
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enough. >> i wish we, it needs to be accompanied by a bill that would feel in the who are working on the bipart san bill, and we want the progressives to support the first bill and if we can get that within the democratic caucus we have a chance to get infrastructure built on. >> great if that can happen, but if it does not, how long are depp democrats willing to sit at the table over infrastructure before they have to go it alone? >> senator schumer said it best and i strongly support him, there will be a moment that if we can't get the bipartisan package to move forward, we will have to do it alone through reconciliation and we shoped that in the american rescue plan and we were able to get it done and we grant that republicans didn't join us. it was a bipartisan bill with
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the support of the american people, and i think the infrastructure bill would enjoy strong bipartisan support with the american people even if we can't get republicans to join us. >> senator, let's turn now to the attack on the capitol in january. you have 21 house republicans who voted against a bill to honor january 6th first responders and one of the republicans was andrew clyde and he was the one that compared the riot to a normal tourist visit. an officer attacked is accusing the congressman of refusing to shake his hand. let's take a listen to this. >> i asked him if he was going to shake my hand and he told me that he didn't know who i was. so i introduced myself. i am officer michael fanone, and i was a d.c. metropolitan police officer who fought on january 6th to defend the capitol and as a result i suffered a traumatic brain injury as well as a heart
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attack after having been tased numerous times at the base of my skull and being severely beaten and the congressman turned away from me, pulled out his cell phone. what does that say to you? listening to that man give testimony of what he experienced. can you believe the efforts that are still being made more than five months later now to downplay the capitol riot violence? >> alex, this is just outrageous. it's hurtful. it's -- we're -- our capitol police were defending our democratic institution. it was under attack. it was an insurrection. they put their lives on the line, not only those in the building, the members of congress and our staff and guests, but to defend our democracy. that's what they were doing. they're heros and to hear a sitting member of congress say something like that, it's just beyond description how upsetting it is, and i hope that he will apologize and recognize that the
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capitol police were carrying out an extraordinary defense of our system and our safety. >> you know what's extraordinary is this particular event has ricocheted around the world and used against the united states by vladimir putin to used it to imply america's gone haywire. okay. senator cardin, we'll wrap and i won't ask you to respond to that rhetoric. >> i agree with you. i served on the helsinki commission with international forums and you're exactly right. we weakened america by how we've responded in january, how president trump responded to january 6th. >> senator, always good to see you, sir. thank you so much. well, in the days after president biden's meeting with vladimir putin the russian president had something unexpected to say about the american leader and the big question, what is putin's angle? . is what business is all about. it's what the united states postal service
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[ cheering ] there you see it. a bust of george floyd is unveiled in brooklyn as part of this juneteenth celebrations. let's go to antonio hilton who was in flatbush and she joins us from bed-stuy. welcome, my friend. there are many june tenth celebrations, but this one is the most symbolic. >> absolutely, alex. well, for most of the country or for many people this holiday may seem new. it may be the first time it's being recognized on the federal level. for black communities in bed-stuy, this is not a new celebration and just to give you a sense of the feeling and the message here. take a look at this t-shirt that people are wearing. juneteenth because my people were not free in 1776, still free-ish and still fighting and
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that's the message in brooklyn and also around much of the country right now and while you can hear music behind me, people are dancing, cooking, there are black vendors and businesses here all celebrating. the day started out with a much more somber tone. terence floyd, george floyd's younger brother is in brooklyn taking part in these celebrations and he had a message how his brother and the broader racial justice movement that we've seen take over in the last year, year and a half is connected to history for more than a century ago, and i want you to take a listen to our conversation. >> juneteenth, it was our freedom and with my brother, what went on before we were free. you know, so it just tells us, it just wakes us up and gets us to understand that we have to understand we're free. we don't have to go through that. we need to know our rights. it was a public execution.
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a public execution and that's what was going on with the lynching. >> the celebrations that are happening around the country and here in brooklyn today are happening against a broader backdrop and you touched on it in an earlier segment. there is a fight happening for voting rights. there are states right now passing legislation that would restrict the teaching of certain topics around race and systemic bias that people here worry could affect conversations around holidays like juneteenth, and so while the spirit of today is largely joyful, they also hope that this holiday, alex, will be a call to action. >> yeah. i suspect 100% it will be. i am glad for the joyful nature and people can celebrate and look to the future and all they have still left to do. we'll see you again. as we mark the first official juneteenth holiday i want to bring in someone who was at the white house for the historic moment when president biden signed that into law and joining me is congressman allred.
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i imagine that was pretty cool to be part of that historic moment. how important is it to you that juneteenth get this recognition. >> first, let me say happy juneteenth it on you. >> thank you. >> love seeing the music and everything going on in bed-stuy. in texas, juneteenth has been celebrated by texans all my life and this is such an important holiday for us and to see it become a national holiday and to see the president of the united states talking about it in the terms that he talked about it, to hear the first black woman vice president of the united states talk about it and to be there with the women who made it happen, sheila jackson-lee who led the legislation and opal lee who as you know, is the reason why so many of us got behind this and why it became law. it was a great day. >> yeah. a very good day, and i think it is pretty nice that it has been celebrated statewide to include new york where i am right here,
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but you mentioned sheila jackson-lee, she was accompanied by senator john cornyn of texas, but still, 14 house republicans voted against the bill. some say juneteenth national independence sounds like the july 4th independence day. what do you make of that argument? >> we have some misguided folks, but what i would rather focus, to be honest with you is juneteenth passed the senate unanimously and out of 435 voits in the house only 14 misguided members decided not to vote for it and that is an overwhelming bipartisan support and we could vote on the color of the sky and we would not get the vote and.
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>> you know what? you are absolutely right. we'll leave that one there. let's turn to voting rights and the proposed changes to the voting rights bill. we know it gained the support of stacy abrams and senator mitch mcconnell has vowed to block it. so congressman, would you support the changes and they include requiring voter i.d. >> yeah. listen, it's not everything that i would want and i was a voting rights lawyer before i came to congress, but it is a really good opening negotiation, and i think there are some important things in there from banning partisan gerrymandering to guaranteeing two weeks' early voting to making election day a national holiday and all of those are great things and the voter i.d. provision allows you to use the utility bill which is what we have in texas and that was the law we had in texas before we passed this restrictive photo i.d., and a water bill or something like that. every state has some way in which you're going to confirm
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your identity whether it's a signature or electric bill or water bill or as in texas, the voter i.d. and to me that's not as big of an issue and this is a great thing and now we have 50 democratic senators onboard with a positive, affirmative expansion of voting rights and now the question is how do we get it past the filibuster. >> you know what's interesting, you bring up what is required and you only need not a photo i.d., you only necessarily need to get your real i.d. as a driver's license when there are extra things you need to bring. a water bill can do it there. interesting point you make. >> what about the startling headline out of tech tex who has vetoed funding for the state legislature to block the passage of the bill to overhaul voting rights. what is your reaction to that? are you just in general worried about what's happening in the state of texas? >> i'm extremely worried about what's happening in texas and
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this is what happens when one party gets out of control and thinks they're arrogant enough and thinks there's no check on what is happening. we were thrown back into the stone age when our entire state froze and our electricity went out and they were burning whatever wood they could get a hold of and furniture and pieces of the fence so they could stay warm and that right now we're being asked to turn down our thermostats and those are the things that we would like to see the state right, and not trying to do the nonsense things that they're doing and just try to keep the lights on. let's begin with that. >> let's talk about what's happening in schools because this was another controversial move signing a bill banning critical race theory in schools. it forbids teachers from being compelled to teach a current event or widely debated issue, specifically issues surrounding race or racism here in this
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country. so what's your reaction to that, and why is it that republicans in texas and more than a dozen other states wants to keep critical race theory curriculum out of schools? >> yeah. well's let's discard the critical race theory component because this has nothing to do with race theory. what you're talking about is they want to make it so that you can't teach and talk about structural issues in our society or curren events that are happening in our society. my mom taught, and i was raised by a single mother and my mom taught in schools for 27 years. my aunt, her sister was also a teacher here in the state of texas and i went to public school in dallas. i can tell you that that job of being a teacher is already hard enough without having state legislators trying to score political points or get on fox news or run for president in 2024 by scoring points by saying they're going to restrict what you can teach and how you can talk about things. i mean, give me a break. here in dallas, our public
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school system is overwhelmingly black and latino students and we need to teach them about the history of our country and the promise of our country. and it's about the freedom that was given that day and also the struggle that we've been working on ever since to perfect our union. great countries don't hide from these issues. they tackle them. >> texas congressman allred, can i say as a mom, your teacher mom must be so proud of you. well done, mom. thanks for coming on the show and i look forward to talking to you again. how a major threat may serve as a warning to anyone who is unvaccinated. d him. as part of our love promise, subaru and our retailers host adoption events and have donated 28 million dollars to support local animal shelters. we're proud to have helped over 230,000 pets so far... changing the lives of dogs like jack, and the families
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allison is joining us from brookfield. allison, welcome. how quickly has this variant spread? >> in missouri it's spreading really fast and it's spreading faster than other variations. it was first discovered in branson, missouri, that's about a four-hour drive and they discovered it in the waste water here in brookfield, missouri. they say it has been spreading ever since. listen here. >> since about the second week of may we've seen a very large increase in the prevalence of the delta variant or the india variant in missouri. the speed at which it spread is quite amazing. it spread really quickly through the state. with missouri, it's amazing. we're not talking about one continuous city. this is lots of small, individual communities and like the uk variant had made it to
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every nook and cranny of the state within a short period of time, so yeah, it's concerning that it's spreading so rapidly. >> the university of missouri is working with the state's health department to test waste water samples collected from waste water facilities across the state because not only can they detect covid-19 in waste water and by default can identify which communities have the virus and they can tell you which variants are there, all of it just based on looking at the waste water. they say what they are seeing in the water waste. and, and vaccinations and statewide, more than 40% of people are vaccinated. here in lynn county, it's less than a third of their residents are vaccinated and 31%. alex?
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>> putting that all together and adding it up, that is cause for concern. allison barber, thank you so much. so it's probably not unexpected, but hearing one republican senator talking about the teaching of critical race theory is as outrageous as you might imagine. so stay right there for reaction to that. [♪♪] if you have diabetes, it's important to have confidence in the nutritional drink you choose. try boost glucose control. it's clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels and contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. try boost today.
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putin this coming from the russian leader. putin says that biden was in, quote, great shape and a tough negotiator criticizing some media for their portrayal of the positive. he is fully concentrated and knows what he wants to achieve. joining me now is new york times chief white house correspondent and analyst peter baker. welcome. what do you make of those comments. how important is for biden to be perceived as a strong negotiator and for biden to admit that? >> the russian media that's been promoting the idea that he was some sold of an old man and putin himself just a few months ago referred to putin -- to biden and sort of suggested he was growing senile and couldn't manage to stay awake long enough to be the president of the united states and for him to flip around like this is striking and it's a line we heard from president trump when he was running about then-candidate biden last year,
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but putin is now saying of course, the opposite and he's found what other people have found that president biden, while obviously, 78 and not as young as he once was is still obviously capable of being president at this point and capable opponent or adversary in these kinds of negotiations. let's face it. he wants to speak in this tone knowing that he'll have to further negotiate with joe biden so there's that to consider and your latest article, peter is the analysis of the biden-putin relationship. i'm curious of your biggest takeaways of this summit. >> this is the fifth american president who has had to deal with vladimir putin and he's watched those that came before him and he's taken a line kind of in between the last two. he was, of course, vice president for obama when obama tried to isolate putin following the invasion of the ukraine in 2014. obama wouldn't meet with him
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anymore and helped orchestrate russia being thrown out of the g8 and tried to isolate him on the international stage. president trump, declared him to be a great friend and ingratiating flattery on him. biden is somewhere in the middle and he's abandoned the isolationism side and he's being tougher in his language about putin not lavishing with praise the way president trump did and his view of this, i think, will not necessarily make the u.s.-russian relationship so much better, but he wants to keep it from getting too much worse, right? russia will still be russia, and you keep putin from making things worse and escalating his provocations at home and abroad, then that was worth his trip to
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geneva. do you get an indication from the summit of how u.s.-russia relations will look from the administration and how it will differ from the relationship we've seen in the past? >> i don't think we can expect things to become friendly and warm again. this will not be like bill clinton, boris yeltsin and george bush and it will not be that way as long as, and his goal is that he stabilize the west and that's not what vladimir putin wants. it's possible that they could, by having these kinds of meetings from time to time keep things from blowing up even worse. right now, of course, we have the russians amassing large numbers of troops on the ukrainian border and they seem to have pulled back and keeping putin on the phone on speed dial from time to time prevents a greater militarization of that conflict, the biden white house
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will look at that as a victory even if they don't solve the underlying problems that are still there. >> okay. peter baker, thank you very much as always, good to see you. a former vice president gets booed while speaking before members of his own party, the who, the when, the where and the why is next. ♪♪ ♪ and they're always glad you came ♪ welcome back, america. it sure is good to see you. obsession has many names. this is ours. the lexus is. all in on the sport sedan. lease the 2021 is 300 for $379 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. hitting the road this summer? not all 5g networks are created equal. $379 a month for 36 months. t-mobile covers more interstate highway miles with 5g than the other guys. t-mobile. america's largest, fastest, most reliable 5g network.
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i want to thank my friend ralph reed for those overly generous words. i am deeply humbled by them. ralph reed knows me well enough. >> yep, a not so warm welcome for former vice president mike pence in a crowd of religious conservatives yesterday. the former vp was greeted with boos and being called a traitor while speaking at the faith and freedom coalition in florida, a common stop for gop hopefuls pondering a 2020 white house run. joining me now is zerlina maxwell and host of the show
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zerlina on peacock. curt bardella contributor and democratic campaign committee adviser and elise jordan, former aide in the george w. bush white house and msnbc political analyst and my friends on saturday. so it's good to see you guys. thank you for being here. >> elise, you first, because this is not the crowd you'd think would be booing or heckling the vice president. what do you make of that? >> at this point, all bets are off. look at the crowd that stormed the capitol yelling "hang mike pence," this is a teeny bit lighter and it wasn't violent and it wasn't an insurrectionist mob using medievel fighting and you look at how far the community has strayed in not supporting him, but it shows what he gave up, too.
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he didn't approve of the grab him by the "p" word language and he was very upset purportedly when that happened and he didn't drop out. he capitulated and he constantly capitulated over the course of the campaign and the last four years and today we see how there's not any loyalty left among those who call themselves the most religious. >> interesting, yeah. well said. ted cruz, also spoke there so let's all take a listen to what he had to say. here it is. >> i had just this week on capitol hill i had a reporter run up to me and said hey, what's the critical race theory? apparently he thought i would turn to him and say gosh, i have no idea. i feel bad, because i don't know what it is because conservatives are morons and we don't know what we're talking about. carl marx viewed the entire world as the owners of capital and the working men and women and a fundamental battle in society and critical race theory
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replaces class with race. and let me tell you right now, critical race theory is bigoted, it is a lie and it is every bit as racist as the klansmen in white sheets. >> wow! what's your reaction to that, zerlina? >> well, i almost in the beginning there i was, like, well maybe ted cruz is going to make some sense here. he's harvard law school educated and critical race theory is a legal doctrine that you don't learn in elementary school so it's silly when they're trying to ban it in schools when it's not being taught there. we saw americans go after the streets after the murder of george floyd saying this is not a status quo that we are willing to accept. there were people that had never been interested in racism or aspects of american history and they were buying books and they
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were making book lists and info graphics and putting black tiles on their instagrams. so a year removed from that, you have republicans, i think, concerned about democratic shifts and some white americans that is being raised by realtime events that are making them think differently and more critically, dare i say, about american history. critical race theory is simply saying we should consider that racism is a systemic problem. it's embedded in all of our systems and in the ways we live american life. that is not racist. that's not as racist as someone in a sheet, and frankly, i'm offended at the fact that senator cruz would even make that false equivalence and it's insulting. >> that was a step too far, maybe a giant step too far on that one, for sure. we had 14 house members, all of them republicans who voted against the bill to make juneteenth a federal holiday and
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many citing concerns over the name of the holiday and whether it conflates with the july 4th holiday. paul gosar said i voted no, it does not bring us together. it tears us apart and you can read the rest of the statement there. curt, why do these gop members try to equate the two dates? >> well, one, they're all white. two, they belong to a party that is a white supremacist, white nationalist party and three, the idea that any way juneteenth could replace july 4th, it's moronic and it's the same nonsense we've seen from republicans going on for the last five years, really. you look at the entire swath of party from the so-called evangelists and those who turn away while the president of the
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united states has an affair with the porn star while his wife is pregnant and the devout christian who has worn his faith on his sleeve for his entire political career. they call him a traitor and wanted to hang him on january 6th and now they want to take away juneteenth, equate it with taking away july 4th and equating the appropriate, historical context with racism in america with white supremacy and it is reaching the most ridiculous and dangerous proportions because while the politicians who are talking about these thing, they know they're just blowing hot smoke out there, they don't believe what they're saying. the people that they're talking to, the people that they're inciting and the people that they're instructing and they believe they're words and treat them like gospel and they say these things and the paul gosar and what they are doing is sending the instruction that will happen on january 6th should happen again and it should be more violent and deadly.
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>> elise, part of the problem is that these 14, the people to whom they are speaking believe, you know, what they're saying, right? that's -- they're -- you could say they're pandering to their base. that's the problem. >> you see politicians and the political class that isn't going to lead and it is going to grovel to the worst instincts of the mob and the republican base that in previous incarnations, you've had republican leaders who have been forthright in rejecting racism. you had president george w. bush who i worked for, and you had how you look at trent lott was forced out of the leadership which having him in that leadership slot was a good thing for the white house because lott would have been a very strong senate majority leader, but president bush said he had to go about comments he made about
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strom thurmond. you go from moments like that to where we are now and look at donald trump and it's no wonder they see this as the path to get ahead and using race to bolster their political opportunities. >> it is so interesting, zerlina, that paul gosar saying this is tearing people apart. his statements are divisive, right? >> exactly, i would also argue that post-insurrection there is no argument that the people who went along with the insurrectionists can say that somehow people that are pointing out incidents of racism are more divisive than they are. that is a joke, but the real critical point that we have to focus on is that we are having this conversation about race and racism in america, alex. we're having this conversation in a week where juneteenth was made a national holiday and a lot more people are looking back at american history and asking questions about why black people
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weren't even given the right to vote until after 100 years after emancipation. what is jim crow? people are learning new things about american history. we had the commemoration of the massacre in tulsa. a lot of people learning that for the first time this year. i think what republicans are afraid of is that if we learn the truth about american history, we'd probably elect different people and they'd look a lot different than the majority white male congress we have right now. >> yeah. >> all right. zerlina, kurt and elise. that's a wrap and next week i'm not doing ladies first. it's you first. catch zerlina on the peacock streaming channel the choice and you can see her fill in tomorrow on "american voices" on msnbc. a chilling incident in broad daylight caught on video and two little kids are caught in the middle. this is awful.
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>> reporter: hi, alex. ibrahim raissi spent most of his career in the judiciary and if you are an ebrahim raisi supporter and his presidency will usher in a return of hard-line conservative elements in positions of power within the government, but the vast iranian society was underscored with this expected turnout in this presidential election. as you mentioned, the lowest voter turnout since inception of the islamic republic in 1979. the official results here showed that 28.8 million people voted and raisi secured 17.8 million of those vote, a massive 14.5 more million votes than his nearest rival, but this election was marked by voter apathy. turnout this time was 48% which
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is significantly lower than the 73% of voters who turned out in 2017 the last time and this is because many people felt that they didn't have a real choice. most of the candidates were disqualified and the reformist camp in iran has lost much of its last. no one believes they have what it takes to make tangible changes in the country, and also, a lot of people i spoke to said they voted for rouhani last time so raisi wouldn't win and four years later he's become president with ease, so there was no point in going to the ballot box. raisi is an austere man who spent most of his career in the judiciary and staunchly anti-american and deeply conservative and there is a feeling of forboding here that he may seek to enforce a pure tan cal system of islamic govern am, possibly meaning more controls on social ac
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