something wrong. i got her to say that, too, i think she danced around that in past interviews. was having a relationship with a subordinate wrong? and she said, yes. i think she's trying to figure out how to redeem herself in the moment. >> thank you for being with us this morning, really appreciate it. this is potentially a make or break week for president biden's agenda in congress. you're going to see a vote on voting rights, also critical time for infrastructure. thank you for getting up way too early with us on this monday morning. don't go anywhere, "morning joe" starts right now. all right. good morning. and welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, june 21st, we've got a lot to get to today, including former vice president mike pence heckled at a conservative conference, what it says about the lasting impact of

trumpism. >> what? >> yeah. they called him -- >> i thought he was conservative. >> yes. they called him a traitor, they called him a traitor, heckled him, booed him. >> really? >> yeah. all they care about is trump, it's a cult. >> what they wanted him lynched? wait, were they on the side of the people that were yelling lynch mike pence? i don't understand. you actually boo the guy that upholds the constitution, whose family are put in danger, who has to escape and have secret service stop him from being lynched by a mop and they're booing him. >> um-hum. >> wow. i'm sure a lot of people are going, let me get into that party. what the world. what in the world. >> yeah. >> mika, that's crazy. >> it's bad. how was your weekend, mika? did you have a good weekend? >> beautiful. i spent it with my mother.

>> that's fantastic. >> it was a wonderful weekend. but i was looking forward to digging deeper into that moment there with mike pence, and we will a little bit later on just because it does say a lot about the cultish power of former president donald trump. first let's get into politics in washington right now. the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package right now is what they are debating and u.s. senators are haggling over funding of the $1 trillion infrastructure compromise. and the question is, can they get bipartisan support for that. joe? >> yeah. it's going to be -- jonathan lemire, i guess the big question right now is, as they're trying to move towards an infrastructure deal, here you find -- you find joe manchin once again in the middle of things, trying to bring people together, trying to bring republicans and democrats together, coming up with

compromises. mitt romney, others also involved in this compromise. but the big question is, are they going to be able to get to 60, or at some point is joe manchin going to be pushed, i think most likely he will be pushed into moving to some other position? because, don't you get the impression one way or eat joe manchin is going to see this legislation passed. >> it does seem that way, joe. happy belated father's day to you. manchin has been the focal point, where the white house is leaningn m. hearing it from more progressive democrats as well. we have this bipartisan group, and this seems to be a make or break week for this possible infrastructure deal. the president, of course, had been overseas for most of the last week and a half and had a largely down weekend in delaware and he has said w this is the

week he's going to reengage on this. certainly this is not nearly the figure that the white house first put out for an infrastructure bill, the hard stuff of highways, broadband, bridges, things like that. there's heat from the left, democrats, saying why are you going soft? he's trying to focus on getting republican buy in on this, there may be a part, the c.a.r.e.s. act, they use only democrats. but here they want republicans on board, they want to get to 10. that's what we're watching this week. >> it's going to be a balancing act. something we talked to aoc about last thursday when she was on the show. i have been really struck by how bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, aoc, some other

progressive leaders sat back, of course, you have people on the right saying they're crazy, out of their mind, irrational, throughout this entire process, they have sat back, allowed the conversation to rotate around joe manchin and the more conservative members of the democratic party and have held their ground and remained quiet for the most part. but bernie sanders is now speaking out, and others are speaking out, and that's just how washington works and it's how it should work. you have this back and forth and you want to make sure, if you're a progressive, and obviously that's where the energetic part of the democratic party is, to make sure that your progressive base knows there's somebody you're fighting for. you have bernie, great we're talking about manchin nonstop but we're over here. and you hear that and think okay

maybe this thing is working towards a negotiated settlement where both sides are going to want to make sure their voices are heard in the final mix. we may be a couple weeks away from it, who knows. maybe a couple months away from it. but it does seem to be going in that direction. >> joe, you know how these things work. you know joe manchin well, you've worked with these guys, you mentioned he's from the left. here is senator bernie sanders, take a look. >> what is in the bipartisan bill in terms of spending is, from what i can see, mostly good, it's roads and bridges, we need to do that. that is what we are proposing in our legislation but in much greater numbers. >> i was interested in hearing from my colleague, senator sanders who said at one point with the $6 trillion package the list goes on and on. that's it, it's a $6 trillion bag of progressive policies.

ours is about core infrastructure. >> and i guess that's the question, what's going to be able -- you know, let's talk 60 votes. we don't think it's going to get -- nothing is going to get 60 votes, i don't think. so we look at what can get 50 votes or if they do change to 55, if that becomes the new number for filibusters, what gets the 55 votes? i don't think that $6 trillion package is going to get close to getting those votes. the question is will enough progressives support, you know, 1 trillion, $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill to get that passed? >> you got the dynamic of the scale of the bill which you're saying can you come up with the goldilocks for the progressives and not too much for others. i think the question is the

approach to finding it. you run up the deficit and debt, do you raise taxes? if so, which ones and how much? because a trillion dollar may not be a $2 trillion bill but last i counted a trillion dollars is still a lot of money. so this has to go through two separate hurdles, two separate thresholds and that's asking quite a long. >> you look at the trillions of dollars, mika, that have been spent over the past year and it's going to be extraordinarily hard even from conservative to moderate democrats to get much beyond that 1.2, $1.3 trillion because what are we starting to hear about more and more? you know, inflationary pressures on the economy. so with inflationary pressure, the deficit going up,he federal debt going up, this is happening over three administrations, and the question is, is there the will to go far beyond the 1.2 trillion.

ght now i don't see that happening. >> well, let's move on to the coronavirus right now. president biden is going to travel to raleigh, north carolina this week to get more americans to try and get vaccinated. he's trying to get ahead of his july 4th goal. in a speech at the white house on friday, the president touted a new milestone in the fight against the pandemic. 300 million vaccine doses administered. but at this point it appears biden is still likely to fall short of his deadline of having 70% of americans vaccinated by independence day. vaccination rates have slowed across the country and only about 65% have received at least one dose. >> folks we're headed into a very different summer compared to last year, a bright summer. a summer of joy. but as i promised you from the beginning, i will always give it

to you straight. the good, the bad, and the truth. and the truth is that deaths and hospitalizations are drastically down in places where people are getting vaccinated, but unfortunately cases and hospitalizations are not going down in many places in the lower vaccination rate states. they're actually going up in some places. if you are unvaccinated, you're at risk of getting seriously ill or dying or spreading it. people getting seriously ill remain hospitalized due to covid-19 are those who have not been fully vaccinated. the new variant will leave unvaccinated people even more vulnerable than they were a month ago. >> let's bring in dr. nahid bhadelia, the founder emergency of boston's new infectious

disease response, she's an infectious diseases physician and an msnbc contributor. i'm reading about the variant but the administration's goal of not meeting the vaccination rate, have we let our guard down? >> i think it looks that way in areas that are undervaccinated. globally this is a variant that's more transmissible, affecting younger people and one dose you're likely to see the efficacy of your vaccine go down. russia, 10% vaccination seeing surges, africa, 20% increase in cases and deaths. here in the u.s. i'm watching places like mesa county, colorado, for example, 39% fully

vaccinated and that's it. the concern is the vaccine uptake may not increase and they're seeing cases go up and now hospitalizations have gone up in that county. the biggest concern i have is not just that we're behind the target, there's a survey from associated press that said those who have not gotten vaccinated, about half say they do not plan to get vaccinated, which means moving forward in this pandemic we're looking at two americans, one that could weather the storm as the variant grows and one that might see surges over the summer as delta becomes more dominant. >> the president is headed to north carolina, in part because that's a state that has seen the vaccination rate slip. on that point, what now -- we've seen the white house administration push this idea of community leaders, doctors and so on, trying to be the one to convince people to take the

vaccines. but as you say, the resistance seems to be hardening, like a point of pride. we heard nfl players talk about it this weekend. we've seen lotteries, we've seen doctors, how at this point can americans be convinced to take this vaccine, particularly with this new more dangerous and contagious variant looming? >> i think part of that vaccine hesitancy is related to people still being uncomfortable and not understanding the science of the vaccine as much. but there could be nor engagement and education. i think if moderna and pfizer the confusion comes through. there's confusion about the full approval. for some it may mean their mind is set at ease, even though for those in public health the data is obvious. the safety of the vaccines and

the efficacy is good. there are a portion of people not get vaccinated where i'm concerns that vaccines are a political issue. we have the vaccines available here. i want to share something personal. many of us have extended family in the u.s. i've lost two aunts and a cousin and there are many vulnerable people in my extended family in india that can't get access to vaccines. these surges are truly a self-inflicted vaccine in that setting. >> i am so sorry for your loss, doctor, and i wonder what you see as a bigger threat or is it the confluence? is it the vaccine hesitancy here in the u.s. or the status of getting the world vaccinated, especially struggling countries because we could make a lot of head way here in the u.s. and

then, perhaps, could it still be on the horizon? >> absolutely, both are tied, mika. say we get everybody vaccinated here, the concern is what if new variants rise because the tran missions globally continues. you're seeing surges in areas that have low resilience in their health care systems and the vaccines are not coming fast enough. even the commitments made at the g7 summit a couple weeks ago, you're talking about vaccines that won't arrive until 2022, that means front line workers and health care workers and people in the community won't get vaccinated until 2022 so we're looking at variants that may come to us and resist vaccines. >> doctor, thank you very much. we'll talk to you once again soon. we appreciate it.

talking about things happening around the world, let's go to iran where iran's hard line judiciary chief won a landslide victory in the country's presidential election amid the lowest turn out in the republic's history. on sunday ebrahim raisi won, he will take power replacing the current president. he will take power at a critical time as iran seeks to salvage the tattered nuclear deal and free itself from punishing u.s. sanctions that have driven a sharp economic downturn. what do you make these of these developments joe? >> let's go to richard haas, why

is it that iran is not pretending to have even the barest of an outline of free election and why would this already autocratic terror state choose now to have a further crackdown? >> the reason they're not prepared to have a free election or anything close to it is they're concerned about the turnout. it's not delivering and it's losing popularity, so the guardian will act as a filter. it doesn't let people who are not completely controllable by the religious authorities run so you have a faux democracy, people are allowed to vote for essentially the politically cleared candidates. just sort of transitioning to the nuclear issue. you have a slight window now, the new leader takes place,

maybe we could reach an agreement then. but no one should kid themselves. whether we have this 2015 agreement come back into force or not, it does not solve either the iranian nuclear challenge, which is still going to be present, certainly in the near future or all the other challenges posed by iran in the region. we're not solving the iran issue whether we get back into the region or not we have the same regime doing the same things pressing the envelope on the nuclear side, disrupting the region otherwise. ether way we have a strategic challenge in the middle east. >> how important is it to the white house to get this iran nuclear deal? obviously it was critical for the obama administration, does biden feel the same pressure to get the iran deal going again? >> perhaps not quite that pressure but close, yeah. this is something the white house is doing behind the scenes. this has not been a public focus

like we saw in the obama administration then we saw president trump blow it up pretty quickly. they're keenly watching the talks, of course. john kerry now has a very different role in the biden administration as well. he was a central figure in the first round. but what's been happening is something this white house is trying to push for. their focus right now has been far less on the middle east than we've seen from the last two administrations we saw the summit last week -- summits last week, the president's first overseas trip, that was about europe, restoring alliances, going face-to-face with putin and now they hope a shift toward a more china centric policy but this is something they are watching and the next few days with the middle east, the change in leadership in iran coming, now israel too this is going to take more and more diplomatic

energy. >> we'll continue talking about this throughout the show. but a couple things in the sports world, jonathan lemire we'll get to how the yankees and red sox destroyed father's day for millions across the world. but first we're excited to have "morning joe's" golf correspondent with us. but let's look at the final hole at the u.s. open at torrey pines. >> how big this is. another one has landed at the 72nd hole. this time for rahm. to take the lead in the u.s. open. >> richard haas, "morning joe" -- actually, this is your premier, your debut as "morning joe's" golf correspondent so

let's get it right. >> he's being auditioned. >> what a great story for jon rahm, a guy pulled off the course a few weeks ago when he was on the course because he tested positive. what a comeback, what a great story. >> a great story, a personal story, but what a great day of golf. he was literally, joe, the last man standing. all the big names of golf -- this was like demolition derby yesterday. one after another, double bogey. every name just unravelled. he instead on 17 and 18 sank the unbelievably tough putts, 6 under, deserved to win. impressive. just became a father. nice story of redemption after what happened with covid two weeks ago. >> that was a great story. i wish we could say the same thing about major league

baseball. when i heard richard say bogey, double bogey. i thought he was talking about you and me going out to hit the ball around a little bit. but first, jonathan, our father's day and the father's day of millions of fathers across new england and the rest of the world shattered by subpar pitching performances by the red sox. but talk about a horrible ending to any red sox fan's father's day weekend. look at this atrocity that happened in the bronx. >> rare to see the yankee bullpen up and throwing with chapman on the mound. trying to hold on, lead 2-1 the top of the ninth inning. this could be one, two, onto first -- it's a triple play! they've done it again.

three time's a charm and the yankees win 2-1! can you believe it! >> i don't know where to put that jonathan lemire in the laundry list of tragedies that have occurred over, you know, the past 20, 25 years, but that's near the top. >> father's day ruined, summer ruined, 2021 ruined. i don't know where to begin here with that. just a level of horror how that game ended in the bronx. i'm trying not to look at richard's gloating face right now in the monitor. this was not the weekend the sox wanted in kansas city. they've still been playing well but the flaws we've been worried about with the pitching staff has revealed itself in the last few days and the last thing we need like the game in the bronx where the million dollar

pitchers get the breaks. >> i thought you'd recognize excellent play, two triple plays in a week. >> no. >> it's sad you didn't love the game you pretend to enjoy. >> not a chance. >> we can't. >> it's all about fear and loathing in boston. i was thinking about this jonathan lemire. here we have the yankees, they're four and a half back in the american league east which i know is the only division that people follow. we have tampa, who has -- they've lost five games in a row now. they're on a five game skid. the yankees have been through it, they've had a terrible skid. the red sox, we lose like 1.5 games in a row and you and i get on the phone and start talking about, it's all over, this was it, we knew this time was coming, the june swoon was coming it always happens with the sox. it's all over but the crying.

you look up and we're still in first place. >> stiff upper lips we do not have, joe. resiliency is not a trademark of our fandom whatsoever. we're due. at any point this could all fall apart. perhaps yesterday the triple play the yankees turned is the beginning of the end, for the only division that people care about. that's -- >> coming up. >> look at that triple play, mika, i think people are going to look back and say that's the end of the red sox season. it's over there. nothing good can happen after that. it's the buchner, it's the buchner ground ball at first base. >> the red sox season ends on a play that did not involve the red sox, that makes all the sense to me. >> i have to say, i enjoyed the season while it lasted. mika, that's all we have from the sports desk, back to you.

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yeah. i mean, super conservative, right? >> yeah. >> i would think. on friday, though, at this event, things took a different turn for the former vice president, pence was actually heckled while delivering a speech at the faith and freedom coalition event in florida. >> and i want to thank my friend ralph reed for those generous words. i'm humbled by them. >> traitor! >> ralph reed knows me the introduction i like is a little shorter, i'm a christian, a conservative and a republican in that order! >> the one woman you heard was shouting traitor and was escorted out. the former vice president ignored the outburst and continued with his speech. joining us now professor at the lyndon b. john school of

affairs, victoria de-francisco soto, kasie hunt and donny deutsch is with us as well. joe, i want to back up and start with you in terms of what happened at this conservative event with mike pence. these people who are screaming at the former vice president, it is on the concept that he didn't stop the process. that he's a traitor. they're saying traitor because he didn't stop the process of democracy. and this, again, and i'm not saying it, you know, to be whatever to cause -- to make waves here, but this is a cult. this is following a leader who is clearly trying to like build

that following on lines. and they are following blindly. >> well, it is -- it is certainly not a political party that's aligned with conservative principles or values, it hasn't been that in a very long time. >> that's correct. >> when you have mike pence now insufficiently loyal to great leader that he's called a traitor and booed and heckled. mitt romney, a guy who has spent his entire life fighting for the republican party put himself and his family on the front lines getting attacked in 2012, having nasty ads saying he was responsible for the death of workers, that was mitt romney who now is insufficiently loyal to great leader that he gets booed and heckled, even in utah. you have cindy mccain, a woman who had to undergo great slander while her husband was running

for president in the republican party, now she's being sanctioned. of course, liz cheney, someone who she and her family have literally devoted their entire lives to the conservative movement, to the conservative cause, to the republican party, to the grand old party, but it's not a grand old party, it's not a conservative party. it is a personality cult and this is just -- you know, this is just the latest example, kasie hunt, of one rock ribbed conservative after another rock ribbed conservative being booed and heckled because they didn't support the overturning of a democratic election. >> it's pretty stunning and i was sitting here rereading the letter that the vice president wrote to congress. i remember the day it came out, and i'm not sure any of us -- we

thought a lot of it at the time and there were some nerves headed into january 6th, but we also read it and thought okay this is what makes sense in the context of our democracy, and it has typically been a very conservative thing to do, or at least many conservatives have carried constitutions around in their pockets in recent years and talked about making sure there's loyalty to that document, and that is what this entire letter is all about from the former vice president, and he, of course, had stood loyally by, president trump -- then president trump for four years to the point he was on the receiving end of a lot of ridicule and mocking from people who opposed him. but he at the end of the day stood up and said, no, the country is more important than this one man. these conferences, i can't tell you how many of these type of conferences, conservative type of conferences, i have covered over the years in my years of covering campaigns and congress. it used to be these guys would

march across the stage to see who got the most cheers based on what they had to say. whether or not they lined up with the values being presented. in this case it's ralph reed faith and freedom, freedom laid out in the constitution. so this is an incredible reversal and different. these conferences were where they got the first earl liv sense that donald trump was going to turn into what he did, but we watched him govern for four years, saw january 6th, know ultimately how that ends. there's this big question out there, where do all these people that you just named, joe, where do they go? what are their futures? some of them have demonstrated themselves to be courageous and worth including in our public life but right now they don't have a home. because it's certainly not in the republican party that we saw on display in this event. >> joe, as you take it to the next guest, i think about that

moment between john mccain and that voter where he said, no. i know that mitch mcconnell and mike pence have certain little things they've said on the record about january 6th, but these events are opportunities to say, no. and to make a choice. and to choose conservative values over the cult of one man who promulgated and incited a riot on the capitol. naive, whatever, too far left, whatever you want to say it is, i don't get it. i don't get why none of these republicans who were in very, very high positions, who could really make an impact and bring back the republican party from crazy town, don't take the opportunity to just say no openly about what happened on january 6th, repetitively -- don't say they did. but at moments like this.

in a way that is clear. >> you see, mika, they can make a difference. that's a liberal's dream. that is a liberal's pipe dream, i keep hearing it. why doesn't representative smith just stand up and really tell it like it is. and that's going to -- no, it's not going to change anything. because we've been making the mistake in our little bubble of thinking this was about politicians. no, this is not about politicians. this is about the rank and file of a republican party that once was conservative. now it's all about one thing, it's about donald trump. and if donald trump says somebody is up, they're up. if he says they're down, they're down. that is how the party defines itself right now. don't think for a second that any republican in washington d.c. can make a difference. at the end, the problem is not mike pence -- with mike pence or

with anybody else. the problem is with the rank and file. of course, that rank and file is shrinking. it's getting smaller. i think moments like this actually make that rank and file even smaller. more people peel off of the republican party, they become independent, start voting for conservative democrats. i think we're going to see -- i don't think i know. we'll see a major realignment in american politics over the next five years, the democratic party is going to get bigger, more moderate. you'll have people in the suburbs that started breaking in the 2018, 2020 election, they'll continue to break this way. unless there's a republican that can come along and say, hey, you got to stop with the cult stuff. it's really -- that's not helping us expand our party. we need to worry about winning elections again. until that moment comes and it may not come until after 2024 because the republican house may do very well in 2022. they should, if they don't it's

a shock. but until that happens, this is going to continue, and it's going to cause long term damage to the republican party. but victoria, let's look again at the man who was called a traitor yesterday, and who was heckled yesterday in this speech. a guy who's been going to these faith and freedom events his entire adult life. a guy who should be custom made for this. but mike pence is being called a traitor because he actually would not subvert the constitution of the united states. and, you know, to mika's point, she said if somebody will speak up, guess what, liz cheney spoke up, she's persona non grata in the republican party. mike pence spoke up, his future in the republican party sketchy. mitch mcconnell spoke up, donald

trump has declared him a traitor to the cause, to the party, a traitor to america. speaking up, it's the right thing to do, doesn't help you in the republican party but i'm sorry i have to push back to mika, it's not going to change anything in this republican party because it's up to the republican party to change themselves from the ground up. >> let me start with the point that you just made about the rank and file being really the reason why we see the inability for politicals to pivot at this moment. but i want to go back about five, ten years to the rise of the tea party because this rank and file was egged on by the leaders right now who are wringing their hands and bemoaning the fact that they can't straighten the course of the gop. they sewed the seeds a while ago. they let rank and file members at the far extremes of the republican party take that party and run with it. they got to the point they said

wait a minute we've gone too far right, we want to pull it back, but it was already out of their hands so understanding that rank and file was empowered by the folks we see now wanting to pull the party back. and in looking at mike pence, who is the poster child of conservativism and religious conservativism too. i'm not surprised at the heckling. the first point is obviously that he did not support donald trump in the january 6th incident. he took apart from him. but the other thing and this is more of a political, marketing, political strategy piece, is that mike pence hasn't been part of the cool kids group of governor abbott in texas, ron desantis in florida, another major portion of the republican trump party bashing the border we saw the build the wall rhetoric coming in 2016 and it's

never let us, we've seen a resurgence of that. he's not on the front lines of the branding of the republican party on those. >> it's not just mike pence is a poster child for conservativism, but up until january 5th he did everything possible to get as close as possible to donald trump, he was almost a parity of loyalty, mocked in the media for following in the footsteps of donald trump. and yet, of course, now he navigates this as he tries to see what his political life may be. i'm looking at how things are, not how they should be. we are seeing now donald trump about to reemerge. he's going to hold a rally in coming days, he and bill o'reilly are going on tour this fall, get your tickets now, we're seeing republicans like pence or nikki haley, who broke with him just once, january 6th, feeling the wrath of these trump

devotees. how do you possibly navigate this right now? >> a couple data points about the state of the republican party. economist u gov came out with a poll where they were asking ratings of joe biden and putin. vladimir putin's favorability rating with trump voters is twice what biden's is. what else do you need to know about the death of the republican party as we know it? to joe's point, they have to wait for a couple of ls, a couple of losses. these guys it's simple. they want to keep their jobs. as we know, 20% of the fringe party votes in primaries and they'll get primaried out. trump at this point is almost a concept, not a person. you know what trump tweeted out over the weekend. happy father's day to the radical left losers, this is

what their fearless leader is getting by. there is no concept, no issues. i was a little bit where mika was, where's the transformational figure, where can somebody stand up and tell it like it is. i'm in the joe camp now a little bit, until there is a cycle to lose, i do believe as long as the democrats do not go anywhere near defund the police, there might be a break in history and a change in the many midterms and the suburban republicans who moved to biden will stay there. i think there has to be another cycle or two of losing until the republican party wears their heads again. >> it's interesting as far as the brand goes it used to drive democrats crazy that ronald reagan was such a brilliant politician and he had conservative policies but he was tell me por mentally moderate,

he was cheerful, he was optimistic. and he just -- it's why he won 49 states. it's why he -- he always won landslides. they now have a leader, as donny said, that puts out nasty, hateful statements and whose personality is defined by hatefulness, bitterness, anger. and the entire party has really adopted that pose. and i just -- i just -- i just want to remind everybody, donald trump won one election. he wouldn't have won that election if james comey hadn't written a letter ten days before. he won one election. republicans have been losing ever since. let me say that again for my former republican colleagues. republicans have been losing since that election that donald

trump would have never won himself but for james comey's letter. they lost in 2017, they got destroyed in 2018. they lost in 2019. they lost in 2020. and yes, republicans overperformed, the polls were wrong, in the house. they still lost. nancy pelosi was still selected speaker of the house. so, you know, i've just never seen people run to a loser -- to a losing proposition the way they have over the past five years. but they continue to do it. and so, kasie, here's the irony of it all. next year, given redistricting, given history, it would be next to impossible for republicans to

not win just because, again, they should pick up 20, 30 seats if history is any indication. so even as the party is losing support on the edges in these gerrymandered races in the house, you could have a false positive victory next year which could encourage the party to continue in that direction and have a disastrous 2024. >> joe, i think one of the answers, too, to this question of why they keep doing it in light of your absolute correct point that they keep losing is there seems to be a lot of money still with the trump base. and they finally figured out it seems how to turn on that spigot of small dollar donations and it's donald trump that can get that for them. that perpetuates the cycle that got us here in the first place where republicans were indulging

some of the darker pieces of their coalition with the idea that business minded conservatives trying to pull government out of business and govern in some of the ways that you talk about as being conservative would actually run things. and that got flipped on its head because they let it go too far. i think it's possible they're making that same mistake again because they're going to use the trump base, as you saw kevin mccarthy go to mar-a-lago, the president is going to be on the campaign trail, they'll indulge whatever it is he wants to be doing. they spend the money to try to win back the house. it might work. but the coalition of people you end up with in the house isn't going to change. >> victoria, let me ask you quickly, you look at what happened along the border in texas, you look at miami-dade, it's not just trends, historical trends, the democratic party has to do a better job not only in

2022, but right now. with their message. with their message. not just for hispanics on the texas border or miami-dade, but across the country. they lost hispanics -- they were minus nine over their performance in 2016. >> so latinos are overwhelmingly democratic. they lean democratic, but there also is a very big chunk of moderate left latinos, independent latinos, i go back to the george w. bush administration here in texas when he was governor he had half of the support, when he ran for president over 40% of the latino support. i think the democratic party takes that for granted and they don't use enough resources in the latino vote. we know that the latino population, a lower turnout

population needs more mobilizations, touch points and because of the pandemic you couldn't do the door-to-door, the in-person, hanging out with folks. the texting and phone calls didn't cut it. the democratic party in looking to 2022, 2024 is going to have to put it into high gear for latinos and the rest of moderates. >> coming up, bill maher diagnoses liberal progressophobia. "morning joe" is coming right back. lately, it's been hard to think about the future. but thinking about the future, is human nature. at edward jones, our 19,000 financial advisors create personalized investment strategies to help you get back to your future.

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and 2020 presidential candidate andrew yang held a joint rally on saturday. their showing of unity comes as the city gets set to hold its first choice ranked election where voters can select their top five candidates in the race. they took aim at former police captain eric adams whose tough on crime stances have pushed him to the front of recent polls. he blasted the alliance as an attempt to keep a person of color from winning the race. yang, who responded said, quote, he's been asian his whole life. a good response, joe. >> it's getting interesting in new york. what's interesting is that it seems that eric adams' name is on everybody's lips in this race, michelle goldberg wrote a fascinating column this weekend that says basically, i hate

everything about eric adams i'm still going to put him on my ballot. it was interesting. but everybody is talking about adams right now, presuming he's the front runner. the one thing we know about new york city races is that probably means he's not. >> i actually think it's interesting, going back to the earlier things that we were talking about, the centerism is the new black. it really, really is. if you look at what happened with the congressional races in the last couple cycles it was the central candidates. you look at what new yorkers or a large swath of new yorkers are terrified of, a hard, hard, hard shift left. and i think what adams stands for more than anything we're not going to jerk left. and i'll go back to his tough on crime thing. the last bash republicans have to go after democrats is crime, the fear of it, defunding the

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welcome back to "morning joe," it is monday, june 21st, a live look at the white house, as the sun nudges up over washington, kind of a hazy day, jonathan lemire, richard haas and donny deutsch are still with us. a lot to get to this morning still a concern over the transmission of the delta variant this fall if some

americans remain unvaccinated against the coronavirus. here's what dr. scott gottlieb says about that. >> they are predicting that in a scenario we only get to about 75% of the eligible population vaccinated and have a 60% more transmissible variant which this may be 60% more transmissible, it does show an up surge of infection and reaching a peak of 20% of the infection from last winter. mississippi, alabama, arkansas, missouri so substantial up surges based on how much immunity you have based on vaccination. >> the push to get everyone vaccinated continues. also the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure compromise is gaining steam in washington. the plan for investment in traditional infrastructure now has 21 senators, including 11 republicans backing it.

one of those senators, lindsey graham of south carolina is encouraging president biden to endorse the deal. >> i am hopeful that the white house and joe biden stay involved. we can get there. i would just say this. president biden if you want an infrastructure deal of a trillion dollars, it's there for the taking you just need to get involved and lead. >> and this the white house says it's preparing to roll out new sanctions against russia just days after the face-to-face meeting between president biden and vladimir putin. national security adviser jake sullivan announced the sanctions yesterday in response to the poisoning of top putin critic alexei navalny in august. russia denied poisoning the opposition leader who is now serving a more than two year prison sentence and the president has warned that nothing should happen to

navalny. there is new reaction in russia to last week's summit between biden and putin. as "the new york times" reports there's commentary in moscow to praise of putin. the piece suggests that russian experts see biden as a, quote, experienced leader, focused clearly on his priorities such as domestic affairs in competition with china for whom confrontation with russia is not an end in itself. one commentator said, quote, biden believe it or not, looks to be the first american president in 30 years who is playing a long game. they took notice of this distinction between the current president and his former boss. >> russia is a regional power

that is threatening some of its immediate neighbors. not out of strength, but out of weakness. >> president putin and i had a -- share a unique responsibility. to manage the relationship between two powerful and proud countries. >> all right. let's bring in the professor of international politics at the fletcher school of law and diplomacy at tufts university, daniel dressner. i'll echo what i think president biden said after this meeting last week and that is that the proof will be in the pudding. it's not how the meeting went it's how russia behaves in the weeks and months ahead and how america responds if they don't follow suit with what president biden laid on the table during the meeting. >> do they have incentive? what's the incentive for putin to stop doing what he's been doing the past 20 years?

dan, i'm curious to what your reaction is to how pro-putin commentators have responded and also just the aftermath of the summit where the one thing that foreign policy analysts not only in russia but across the world seem to take note of is that you do have more stability. the possibility of more stability in this relationship post trump. >> i think there are two things that you need to appreciate. the first is that biden is the first president since the end of the cold war to come into office without, frankly, hopes for a reset of the relationship. bill clinton, george w. bush, barack obama, and donald trump all came in promising a better bilateral relationship and those hopes were inevitably dashed. that's not what biden has done. biden has talked about having a

pragmatic relationship and while there's been overturs of an opening there's also been statements like putin is a killer and a viety of other criticisms of putin's human rights regime. so i think the fact that the summit was korj yal and workman like was encouraging to the russians. the other thing that's understated for the russians i think they've been justifiably confused about what u.s. foreign policy has been toward them over the past four years. because they have donald trump coming in, praising putin and saying these nice things about russia and then followed immediately by mike pompeo announcing sanctions or the beauracracy doing something that's seen, you know, pulling embassy personnel or kicking russian diplomatic personnel out. and i think to a certain extent

the russians didn't trust donald trump to be able to run the federal government, the foreign policy machine. there's statements over the weekend that they recognize that joe biden is in charge and therefore even though biden is not going to do what they always want there's clarity in terms of what the united states was going to do, which is not the case with his predecessor. >> never the case with donald trump and richard haas, certainly i'm sure the russians figured out early enough that the more donald trump humiliated himself in places like helsinki, the more republicans in congress, the more foreign policy analysts, the more american commentators felt the need to hammer russia to comp state. so actually, donald trump was

never doing vladimir putin any favors, doing russia any favors by him humiliating america just pushed republican members of the senate and the house to go even harder on sanctions. >> i think what the russians realized, there was donald trump's foreign policy and then there was the administration's foreign policy and the administration's foreign policy was quite tough, quite traditional. i think for the biden administration going forward they have to decide what their priorities are. is it human rights in russia, the russian political system because that leads you down one path. is it pushing russia to accept restraints on doing things in cyber space and try to get mr. putin to back off some of that. i think that will be the question going forward. how are we going to define success vis-a-vis russia, in its

foreign policy or domestic reality. my recommendation would be we focus on foreign policy but i think there's a debate going on in the administration and what they said over the weekend highlights that. this emphasis on navalny, at the end of the day putin is going to do what he believes he needs to do to maintain power and ultimately we have less influence over what happens inside russia than we do with its foreign policy. >> it makes sense to start with protecting the homeland and discouraging attacks -- cyber attacks on our infrastructure, then the foreign policy and then the internal policy of russia. that seems like a basic pyramid of american interest. we'll see what the administration decides instead. for 20 years we've been hearing not only vladimir putin's foreign policy but the foreign policy of russia has been driven by resentment. you don't really need to have an advanced degree to figure that

out if you just hear vladimir putin or their foreign minister talk for more than like ten seconds. so i guess it shouldn't be a surprise that joe biden calling russia a great power, calling vladimir putin a worthy adversary didn't that at this time didn't ring the right bells -- that it rung the bells that putin and a lot of russians wanted to hear, and that was yes, we lost the cold war, that was a tragedy for them, but now we have somebody who considers us an equal. >> i think that's right. i mean, to the extent that it's a win for putin just for the american president to describe russia as a great power, yes, that's definitely a win. although, you know, it's almost entirely rhetorical. i think the other interesting element of, you know, biden's foreign policy trip, and partly the reason why the summit with putin may have gone well is if

there was an overarching message from president biden throughout that trip, it's that yes, he wanted to have at least stable relations with russia, but that's, frankly, not high on the biden administration's priority list. the highest thing on their priority list is china. because they view china as a more significant adversary, biden didn't say this out loud but clearly the point he was trying to make is i'm going to save my rhetorical fire power more for beijing than p russia. and the russians may think it gives them an advantage because they might be interested in extending overtures to moscow to disrupt the russian/chinese relationship, they may be open to that. i don't think we should get our hopes up really that high. i think the best you can hope for in terms of the bilateral relationship between the united states and russia is not further

cyber intrusions and hopefully alexei navalny staying alive. there's not going to be a whole lot -- there's not a lot of ballast that stabilizes that relationship outside of arms control. what we're seeing now, at least, is a situation where neither side is having their elusions dashed. they both seem in a position they can respectfully agree to disagree and move on. >> for those critical of joe biden going to a summit, joe biden saying vladimir putin was a worthy adversary, calling russia a great power, i don't know how they would describe a country that has a modernization program going for their nuclear weapons, and possesses, what, maybe 4,500, 5,000 nuclear weapons right now. obviously militarily a great threat to this country, the

world and somebody you want to continue a dialogue with. >> that's right. russia is not the economic power it once was but the military apparatus is still there. something could go wrong and it's not a country the united states could ever ignore. i think what we saw from biden -- dan hit on something here, white house officials said this to us on the runup to the trip they felt like yes, they addressed putin and russia, and did it early. they wanted to disrupt early, the cyber hacker, wanted to send a message about alexei navalny. joe we talked last week in the immediate aftermath of the summit about biden delivering a threat to putin, suggesting about how he wanted certain key parts of the american infrastructure off limits to cyber hack like say pipelines and oil fields and he suggested that would be a problem for you

president putin if something like that would happen in your country and putin acknowledged it would be. so that message was delivered, but more it's about trying to get this done early so they can pivot. and the focus is indeed china. we're seeing commentary in moscow and washington acknowledging that. that is the focus here, the white house wanted to put putin in a box for a little while and then focus on beijing where they're worried about military aggressions, that is where they think the ball game is. that's why they felt like, yes, is it early in the administration? that was the point. they're willing to take the criticism of that summit because they feel they got this done and they can shift their focus. >> richard haus breaking news this morning out of iran. iran's president-elect, ebrahim raisi tells reporters he's not willing to meet joe biden. that's an a.p. headline.

what's your reaction? >> unless i missed it, joe, the invitation wasn't in the mail. he wants to keep his distance from us, from the iranian nuclear deal. i think he would love the current leadership associated with the iran nuclear deal but this just highlights that this is going to be a fundamentally confrontational relationship throughout the region and even in the nuclear deal, even if you were to get this signed, sealed and delivered, go back to the 2015 agreement. the agreement itself allows iran gradually to build up all of its relevant nuclear capacities pre-position itself for a nuclear weapon. this is a problem sitting out there. yes, donny and others are right, the administration wants to focus on one, things domestic, and two, things china. so as a result they want to take russia and iran off the table for the near term. but easier said than done,

particularly iran because the iranian nuclear program ain't going away. >> all right. dan -- >> dan, i wanted to ask you about that briefly about the comment by the president-elect but i wanted to ask you generally about why iran, at this time when the united states is considering reengaging in nuclear talks, what would they make this move hard right? >> i think in some ways this is, you know, the supreme leader's attempt to line up all of his ducks. he want raisi to be president because it secures the hard line position but since he's not going to take over the administration until august, this gives a window for the nuclear talks to be, you know, signed, sealed and delivered, this puts the iranian hard liners in a perfect position. because if the deal is signed, sanctions are lifted and nothing

happens to the economy, then they can blame the rouhani government for being too moderate. on the other hand if the deal is signed, sanctions are lifted and iran's economy begins to recover, the hard liners can take credit for that because they're in power as the economy recovers. from the u.s. perspective -- i agree with richard. this is essentially the biden administration trying to lance as many boils as possible in other trouble spots so they can essentially focus on east asia because i think in their opinion that's where the entire ball game is. >> dan dressner, thank you very much. donny stay with us we want your take on this next question, are liberals suffering from a case of progressive phobia? what bill maher is saying about that, and big problems with wokeness. the reverend al sharpton joins us for that discussion as

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welcome back to "morning joe." peggy newman has an article in the wall street journal focused on bill maher. what she calls the uninformed sense that america has largely been impervious for improvement. she applauds his argument that we can acknowledge that things have come a long way without declaring it mission accomplished. here's a portion of what bill maher had to say. >> progressophobia the phrase to describe a brain disorder that strikes liberals and makes it

impossible to discuss progress. being cruel to people who are different is no longer acceptable, that's progress. and acknowledging progress isn't saying we're done, we don't need more. and being gloomier doesn't make you a better person. in 1958 only 4% of americans approved of interracial marriage now gallup doesn't bother asking. the last time they did in 2013, 87% approved. an overwhelming majority of americans say they want to live in a multiracial neighborhood. that is a change from when i was a kid. this is one of the big problems with wokeness. that what you say doesn't have to make sense. or jibe with the facts or be challenged. less the challenge itself be conflated with racism. but saying white power and privilege is at an all-time high is just ridiculous. higher than a century ago the

year of the tulsa race massacre? higher than the years when the kkk rode unchecked and jim crow went unchallenged. high than the 1960s when the supremes and willy mays couldn't stay in the same hotel as the white people they were working with. there are a lot of americans trying really hard these days to embrace a new spirit of inclusion and progression. and this allergy to ignoring societal advances is self-defeating. because progress and the hope we can achieve it is the product we're selling. and having a warped view of reality leads to policies warped, black only dorms, graduation ceremonies, a growing belief of whiteness as a mallty and white people as irree deemable. giving up on a color-blind society. only if you believe we've made no progress does any of that make sense. >> wow, bill maher.

>> we have reverend al in studio. he'll be with us in one minute. but donny, you know, this is i know this is what -- people don't want to hear this. but this is what i hear a lot of democrats being very concerned about. i hear -- i hear a lot of commentators quietly being concerned about what reverend al calls the latte liberals taking over the party. and if we saw anything in 2020, twitter didn't even reflect democratic primary voters. joe biden won overwhelmingly because he won in south carolina and then he won in other states where black democrats, like reverend al, were skeptical of what reverend al called, quote, latte liberals and this general

wokeness trend. >> i touched on this previously. the only thing that can hurt democrats at this point. it's about an 8.5 minute monologue that three progressive people sent to me. what's going on interestingly to just mirror bill maher's point in the mid '90s i did a commercial shopping, two gay men looking for furniture in ikea and it was pulled off the air. this super wokeness and what's going on in new york city private schools, there's a story that started getting national attention that the curriculum has changed so dramatically shaming white people, there's so much to be done, but there has been a lot of progress made. and that is -- this is the one

achille's heel of the democrats, this overreaction. and not recognizing that we have a long way to go but we have come a long way, baby. we have that's the way he ended that monologue to say we have come a long way, baby. and the super wokeness is the only -- that's starting to attach to the defund the police thing. but the extremism hits the wrong key it really does. >> frg let's bring in the host of politics nation, reverend al sharpton. rev, you've been on the cutting edge over the past three or four years where you've been talking about latte liberals and talking about some people being far too extreme. we saw what happened in south carolina, joe biden winning in south carolina, winning across the deep south, just like you

said he was going to, in large part because black voters came out and voted for him. so i guess the question is, it's the balance. and as we always say here, two things can be true at the same time. as you've said, we as a nation, we've made great progress over the past 50 years, at the same time this is no time for us to sit back and congratulate ourselves because there's 50 more years of challenges ahead of us and we have to keep moving forward. >> certainly we should sit back and congratulate ourselves, but we should not condemn ourselves for the steps and the progress that has been made. and i think that one of the problems that we have, which is why i call them latte liberals, is we're having people assess what has happened that they were not the ones that it was happening to. so if you're sitting around sipping lattes in the hamptons talking about what's going on in

harlem, you may not know the progress that we have made in terms of going from not being able to vote, in my mother and father's generation, to electing a black president in my generation because you were never discriminated against. and i think that a lot of people have taken advantage of our pain rather than trying to ease our pain, whether it comes to race, whether it comes to gender, whether it comes to those in the lgbtq community. and really i think it is also antithetical to keeping movements going to act like we're not making progress. people need victories to keep fighting. people need to know they're not having an endless battle that will ultimately lead to defeat. what empowers people is to know that they're not fighting for nothing and that they are achieving things so they keep going. and i think that there are those that are in the business of pessimism and that dampens forward progress and dampens

movements, it doesn't advance them. >> that is such a great point. bill maher talked about the gloominess, you talk about the pessimism. look at the achievements made, celebrate those achievements and use those past achievements to keep the opportunity moving forward the way you think it should be moved forward. you know, it reminds me of what barack obama said at a mandela event when he said if you go into a debate saying somebody else can't talk in that debate because they're the wrong color or because they're a man, well, you're not going to have a good debate and you're going to be cutting other voters off. i think the question is, rev, how do you champion the things that you champion, that progressives want to champion, without excludeing a large

segment of the society saying you can't even talk about this because you're the wrong color, because you're the wrong gender? >> i think if you're going to fight to be included, we're fightsing for inclusion, you can't fight for inclusion and practice exclusion. in many ways, you are contradicting your own message. you're trying to replace those that have discriminated or cut you out, rather than be the alternative by expanding it for everyone. i welcome talking to people that disagree with me. i welcome talking to people that on the other side, because then we can come to an understanding which may advance things. because i have enough confidence in what i believe in my argument in order to convert them. now maybe they can convert me but if you're so insecure that you have to limit those that are in the discussion, it says more about your insecurity than it does about the validity of your position.

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black people armed with their faith and ambition built the most prosperous place not just for black people, but for any people in this country. and what did this racist, white community of tulsa do in response? they burned it to the ground. >> and that was the reverend robert turner in a clip from a new documentary entitled rise

again tulsa and the red summer. reverend turner is pastor of the vernon ame church in the greenwood district of tulsa, the only building that remained intact during the race massacre of 1921. joining us is dawn porter, the producer and director of "rise again". also joining us producer rainy arrington wrath who is also a producer of the project front line "unresolved". it examines lives cut short by actions of racial violence. but "rise again," the heart of the film is the award winning "the washington post" journalist, daneen brown who

reported on this. tell us about her and the film. >> thanks for having me. it's good to be back here again. i always love being on your show. so daneen brown is a multiple award winning journalist from the post. she has been reporting on the facts of the tulsa race massacre and wrote a really ground breaking article for "the washington post." in that article, she recounted the situation in 1921 when a false allegation of a black man assaulting a white woman was the can, ostensible reason, why the black prosperous area of tulsa, oklahoma, greenwood, 35 city blocks were burned to the ground. airplanes dropped fire bombs omen, women and children in the town and then up to 6,000 residents were inturned in an

internment camp. so this history is terrible. but in addition to tulsa, she also reported on the other, up to 25 cities in america, in the period of the red summer. and so it's important for people to understand that tulsa was not an anomaly, it was one of a series of mass instances of mass violence targeted against black people, usually when they were trying to assert their rights. >> what are you hoping people will take away from this as we look back at history and we're learning to recognize these moments even with the president declaring juneteenth a federal holiday, we're trying to put into perspective the parts of our history that perhaps might have been overlooked, even in

schooling. >> you know, i think what i'm trying to put forth and what daneen is doing with her reporting is exemplified by the conversation that you just had about wokeness. this is a period of history that led to, you know, black people being murdered by not only other citizens but by the police, and so, if we don't understand this history, we are seeing it repeated. and so, i think it's really important that we separate out fact and i'm sorry if that makes people uncomfortable or ashamed. people should be ashamed. and they should work to understand why black people and so many other people of color are angry and fearful. and once we understood that, perhaps then we can move forward. so that's one piece of it. the other piece of it is the resistance and the idea of why

the black communities were attacked. they were attacked because they were prosperous and doing well. and by "well," i don't mean they were all wealthy. they were living their lives. these were thriving black communities that caused so much envy that the white communities literally burned them to the ground. and i don't think it's woke to understand, appreciate, and attempt to rectify those atrocities. >> it's jonathan lemire. toll us a little bit about your project, rainy, obviously an extraordinarily powerful subject matter. what led you to it and why do you think it's so important right now? >> great. and first of all, i'm doing it with dawn porter, so you have both of us here leading the project for front line. one of the important things about front line is what dawn said, to be a current affair series, a documentary series in

2021 we need to start telling our history, too. this is vetted inside a web installation, interaction and we hope we're going to uncover and shed light on civil rights cold cases. the name of breonna taylor is well known. but what about alberta jones and so many other people murdered in racially motivated murders in the civil rights era. so this project attempts to tell people. these are those people, they had wonderful lives and they were cut short. and because we're front line, of course, we rely on facts and we also rely on investigative journalism. we're asking what did the government do and what can they do now about this, the department of justice and the fbi. >> dawn, al sharpton here, as i listen to you tell about these stories, do you think people in this country really understand

the inherent pain that many african-americans, for example, have grown up with knowing these stories that were not put out to much of the american public, and the horrors that we internalize because we grew up in that atmosphere and when you fast forward to today, segue from where we were discussing in the last segment about what incremental progress has been made but we have a long way to go, you can then understand why we all cried when chauvin was convicted for killing george floyd because we thought of the thousands of george floyds that never got to court or massacres that were covered. that pain we don't understand until we see projects like yours go public. >> that's right, reverend. by "people," i want to say especially white people i don't

think white people understand what it is like to be the child or grandchildren of a person who witnessed their home being fire bombed and witnessed mothers and fathers making the choice about whether they should stay in their homes or leave and risk having bombs dropped by them. should they stay on the inside and burn up or run through the streets. i think the other thing that's interesting and tragic is, this history was not accidentally omitted from history books. i didn't learn about this in new york city quality public schools. i didn't learn about this history in my expensive private college. and so, why is it that that part of our history is not -- is attempted to be erased. when we talk about perhaps we leave the past to the past and perhaps we're overcorrecting, i think that's absolutely incorrect. i think for so long the sin of omission is as great as the sin

of comission. and we hit this history intentionally. now we have a painful reckoning to do and perhaps if we had done it decades ago we wouldn't be in the place we are today. >> dawn, isn't that what's happening? isn't that what you're doing? this isn't that what annette is doing with "on juneteenth"? aren't we moving in that direction right now? >> i think we are moving in that direction, and i'm very optimistic about that. i think that is long overdue. i do worry, though, about the backlash, subtle and overt, about learning and understanding history. and so, you know, that's -- part of my point is, this is a shameful period in our history. when you look at the clip that was selected first about reparations, that's a small part of our movie but it's a really significant part. the victims of the tulsa massacre itemized their furniture and household

belongings and jewelry and everything they lost and the insurance companies denied those claims because they said it was a riot. when we talk about reparations, let's be very clear here, these people are all of their worldly possessions destroyed. everything they had worked for for decades just getting out of slavery and then they were put in internment camps. every other racial minority or ethnic, religious minority that was persecuted that way had some recome pesz paid why not the victims of tulsa? >> we've been having this discussion for quite some time. especially interesting since the 1619 project has come around. and so, there's been this debate between 1619 and 1776, and what we always say on the show is, two things can be true at the

same time. you can -- you can look to 1776, at many of the things that -- the promises of 1776 have been expanded far beyond where they were originally intended to be expanded and you can look at 1619 not disregard that simply because there was a misplaced tweet here or there. i think we have to get a lot better at doing what u're talking about. talking about the progress that has been made but also talk about the fact that we have a long way to go. and ask ourselves a question, you know, i was a history major. i've been reading books since i was 5 or 6 years old, i've been fascinated about history. i've heard a lot of people ask the same question, why didn't we know more about tulsa until the last year? it's an important question to ask. and it seems to me with your documentary, that's the question you're asking here. >> you know, that's right. i want to also point out just

like we criticized our children because we love them, i love this country. i love the promise of this country. i love what it has afforded me. that doesn't mean there's not something to criticize. my great grandfather, grandfather, all were veterans. all participated in this country for the belief that's what we're hoping to retain. >> thanks to you both. again the documentary is "rise again". and the new multi-platform project from front line is entitled "unresolved". thank you both, great conversation. >> we love having you all, come back soon. >> absolutely. >> thank you. still ahead, tomorrow is election day for new york city. we'll talk to another one of the candidates running for mayor. "morning joe" is coming right back. "morning joe" is coming right back

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we need to go to a break, but what thoughts do you have to wrap it up for us? >> if we're going to heal we have to deal with digging out all that happened that has poisoned society. i think she said it right nap it does not mean we don't love the country and love what the country can be. we love that despite certain things, and to make it become the america that it wants to be, said and wanted to, described itself as, let's get it out there and then be honest about where we advance. i think it is important that we give it all out so we can heal and healing cannot happen unless those pained and violated tell their stories. >> correct. i thought it was a great point,

you don't correct your children because you don't love them. you correct your children because you love it. i wasn't tougher on my political party or my church or my football team because i didn't love them. i was tougher because i did love them, and it's the same thing. i think it is such a great point she made. let's go to the co-host of "men in blazers" another man that love this is country and has a book coming out. we have a lot to talk about on euro 2020. reborn in the usa. it will make you want to just eat vats of apple pies and sit on a chevrolet and look at the sunset going down over an arizona desert. but roger, a lot to talk about

this past weekend. i look at hungary and they're just as scrappy as a young bent -- >> i love it and we're pivoting right in. and nen black shirts, possibly the lest of all time. a stunning hungarian counterpunch. look at this cellie. some achieve greatness, some happy to be sitting in the way

of hungarian goal celebrations and get meme'd by accident. i think this is the call. sets up, finishes with a shake of his booty. a 1-1 draw for france. and the powerhouse clash, defending portugal against the duke bluedevils of world football. getting on the end of the move, 36 years of age and he still has it. germany, they're tenacious of the day. two of them inside of four minutes. lightning quick overpowering if only germans had a word for

that. a 4-2 victory for the germans. they're back. finally we'll go to italy. really the joy of the tournament so far. best episode of the sopranos. italy would channel that passion to win and retain their perfect record. top ten good looking sports team all time. >> a few things over the weekend. i talked about hungary over achieving. england, just such a terrible display as england and germany has one of the commentators said germany is looking like germany for the first time in a very long time. >> it's very true.

all i can say about england it's probably not coming home. and watching them play football makes me glad, number 1001, that i'm american. >> that jersey they pull on with the tabloid press trying to destroy them just like culture and politics, it's the pressure on the gentleman's shoulders. when they pull on that jersey it is the weight of chainmeal and it is pulling down even the best. his book, "reborn in the

usa" is on preorder now. now support is growing on capitol hill for a $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package. we'll talk about where that stands. and president bide listen take a push to get americans vaccinated ahead of his july 4th deadline and it comes amid new concerns over the delta variant. "morning joe" is coming right back. joe" is coming right back what's the #1 retinol brand used most by dermatologists? it's neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair® smooths the look of fine lines in 1-week, deep wrinkles in 4. so you can kiss wrinkles goodbye! neutrogena®

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what it says about the lasting impact of trumpism. >> isn't he conservative? >> they called him a traitor. all they care about is trump, it's a cult. >> i guess they wanted him lynched? were they on the side of the people that were yelling lynch mike pence? i don't understand you boo the guy that upholds the constitution. whose family are win in danger. and secret service keeps him from being lynched by a mob. i'm sure people are yelling let me into that party. what in the world? how was your weekend, mika? did you a good weekend? >> beautiful i spent it with my mother, yes. a wonderful weekend.

but i was looking forward to sort of digging deeper into that moment there with mike pence and we will a little later on just because it does say a lot about the cultish power of former president donald trump. first let's get into politics in washington right now. the $1.2 trillion bipartisan week compromise is gaining steam in washington. the plan now has 21 senators including 11 republicans backing it. one of those senators, lindsey graham of south carolina is encouraging president biden to endorse the deal. >> i hope that president biden can stay there. if you want a trillion dollar infrastructure bill, it's there

for the taking, you just have to get in there and lead. >> i'm really struck how some of the leaders on the progressive side sat back and of course you have people, but they sat back and allowed the conversation to be around joe manchin, and they really held, you know, held their ground, remained quiet for the most part, but bernie sanders is now speaking out, and that is just how washington works, how it should work, you a back and forth. you want to make sure if you're a progressive and that's where the democratic party is, you want to make sure you have someone that you're fighting for. we're talking aboutmanchin

nonstop, but we're over here as well. and that, when you start hearing that you're starting to think maybe this thing is moving further towards a negotiated settle many where both sides want to make sure they're voices are heard in that find mix of clouds and sun. and maybe we're a couple weeks away from it. it does seem to be going in that direction. >> you know how these things work. you know joe manchin well. you mentioned senator bernie sanders, here he is, take a look. >> what is in the bipartisan bill in terms of spending is from what i can see mostly good. are roads and bridges. that's what we need to do. that's what we're at.

it's not about infrastructure, it's about a $6 trillion grab bag of progressive priorities. ours is about core infrastructure. >> and i guess that will be the question. what are the -- what will be able, you know, let's start about 60 votes. nothing will get 60 votes i don't think. so if they do chang to 55, if that becomes the number for phil busters. i don't think that $6 trillion package is going to be close, but will enough progressive support, you know, $1 trillion, $1.2 trillion bill get that passed? >> you have the dynamic of the scale of the bill. and you come off of the

goldilocks and then i think it will possibly be as difficult or more is what the approach is to finding it. you simply run up the deficit or the debt. do you raise taxes? which ones and hoch. i think that is going to be the other debate. and that is asking quite a lot. >> yeah, it is asking a lot and you look at trillions of dollars that have been spent in the past year, and it is going to be extraordinarily hard even from conservative to moderate drams. you're hearing about inflationary reasons.

i just don't see that happening. >> move on to the coronavirus right now. president biden is going to raleigh, north carolina to try to help more americans get vaccinated. he is trying to get hold of his july 4th goal. the president touted a new milestone. 300 million vaccine doses administered. but it appears that biden is still likely to fall short of having 70% of americans vaccinated by independence days. vaccination rates have slowed, and only about 65% received at least one dose. >> folks, we're heading into a

very different summer compared to last year, a great summer. but as i promised you from the gipping, the good, the bad, and the truth. deaths and hospitalizations are drastically down where people are getting vaccinated, but cases and hospitalizations are not going down in many places in the lower vaccination rate states. they are going up in some places. if you're unvaccinated, you're at risk of getting seriously ill or dieing or spreading it. people getting seriously ill due to covid-19. the new variant will leave unvaccinated people even more vulnerable than that were a month ago.

>> let's bring in dr. bedilia. i'm wondering, i'm reading a lot about this delta variant, and in light of the administration not necessarily meeting their july 4th goal, they have done great, but not meeting their goal, have we let our guard down in some way, shape, or form with these variants becoming a bigger story? >> i think it certainly looks that way in areas that are under vaccinated. globally this is a variant that is more transmissable. if you only had one dose you're more likely to see efficacy. and places like russia and they have like 10% vaccination. they're seeing the entire continent of africa.

20% increase in deaths, and here in the u.s. i'm watching places like mesa county. 39% they are fully vaccinated. and the cases are going up and hospitalizations are going up. there is a survey that says for those that have not gotten vaccinated half say they do not plan to get vaccinated. that means that looking at two americans, there is one that could weather the storm, and one that might see surges even over the number as delta becomes more dominant. >> that is a state that saw it's vaccinate really slip. on that point, what now, we have

seen the white house administration really push aside the local leaders, the community leaders, and they are trying to take the vaccines. it seems to be hardenning like a point of pride. we saw some talk about it this weekend. what more in your estimation could people be doing. especially with this more dangerous and contagious variant looming. >> i think there is part of that vaccine hesitancy that is related to people still being uncomfortable and not understanding the science of the vaccine as much. there could still be more engagement and education. and as the full approval comes through i'm hoping there is -- there is confusion about the eua. and for some that may mean their

mind is more set at ease. and there is, i want to draw back, there is a proportion of people not getting vaccinated. i'm concerned they're becoming another tool of political division and identification and we should not be letting that happen. this is self inflicted wounds. we have the vaccines available here. i want to share something personal. many of us have extended family. i lost two aunts and a cousin. and they cannot get access to vaccines. and these surges are surely self inflicted. >> i'm so sorry for your loss. i wonder what you see is a bigger threat. if the vaccine hesitancy here in the u.s., or the status of

getting the world vaccinated especially struggling countries because we could make a lot of he'd ahead headway here in the u.s. >> let's say we get everybody vaccinated here. the transmission globally continues. and what you're seeing is those countries that we thought had it worse. we have seen surges in areas with resistance in their areas and the vaccines are nom coming fast enough. even the commitments at the g 7 summit. you're talking about vaccines they may not arrive in some of the areas and that means many frontline health care workers will be affected and that will come back to us in potentially a

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let's go to iraq where a new chief has won after the lowest turnout in the public's history. he secured the election signals a stunning con toll addition of power.

rouhanini was not allowed to return for another term. he will take power at a critical time as iraq seeks to savage what is left. there has been harsh u.s. sanctions that have caused a sharp economic downturn. what do you think of this, joe? >> i'd like to go to richard haas. why are they not having even the barest outline of a reelection, and why would they choose now to have a further crack down? >> they're not prepared to have a free election because they don't trust the rust. the fact that turnout is so low is a real signal that the regime, the religious with the

political, is not delivering and it is increasingly losing popularity. so the people who are not, you a faux democracy, they are politically cleared, and they are just transitioning and you get to the nuclear issue, you have a slight window now for the new leader. maybe we could reach an agreement then. but whether or not we have this 2015 agreement come back into force or not, it does not solve either the iranian nuclear challenge, which is still present, certainly in the near future, or all of the other challenges posed by iran. so we're not solving the iran issue. if we get back to the disagreement. we have the same regime doing the same kings of things, pressing the envelope. so either way we had been a

major major challenge in the middle east. >> how important is it to get the iran nuclear deal. it was obviously critical for the obama administration. does biden feel the same pressure to get their ian deal going again. >> yeah, this is something that the produce is doing behind the scenes. they have not been having a public focus. we saw then president trump blow it up pretty quickly. but they are watching these talks. but what is happening is something that the white house has been pushing for. their focus has been less on the middle east.

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i have not encountered in my church. i think it is a french problem. nearly 50,000 churches, i think most are doing this, they're faithfully teaching god's word. they bring messages of life to people, hope to people, and conspiracy theories are all across the culture.

i have an obligation to not listen. >> that was the newly elected baptist convention. a survey shows more than a quarter of white evangelicals believe the conspiracy theories are true. a senior columnist matt lose. and the jonathan lemier, and in your latest op-ed, discuss the division within the southern baptist convention and write, in

part, this. the drama in the convention is representative of the wider struggle in american trystianty. many of us cannot sans the question. shining in light in our own dark corners. they are here and there and when it does it can be an incandescent witness. but the painful truth is that it doesn't happen nearly enough. and in fact the christian fit has become a weapon in the sarsal of those at the alter of

politics. i just wounderer we talking about a fringe problem or are we talking about an actual consult following. >> i think it was talking about a problem. i'm southern baptist. i lived my life in southern baptist churches, and pete when i read your column this weekend, i just thought it told the story of my friends that i grew up with and that i love. and even if they have not substituted qanon conspiracy theories about tom hanks and oprah and democratic leaders being cannibals and pedophiles, they have become completely immersed in the cult of donald trump and regularly send me

conspiracies from chinese cults that run conspiracy websites. and i will spend weeks trying to walk them lovingly and patiently through the bizarre conspiracy theories. and i feel like telling them could you just read the gospel, could you look at the red letters. but this is their new obsession. if you have embraced the greatest story, why do you there v to follow religiously these conspiracy theories brought up by chinese consults. i just don't get it.

>> that is a great question. it is be weaponized. part of it has to do with human psychology. i do think what is happening in this face is that many people have gotten so entwined in politics. and it is for which they interpret christianity and gospel. there is a fear for many people on the christian right, the fears towards progressivism and the left. and there has been a future between fundamentalism and evangelicalism.

they two very different and distinct things. and it is characterized by spirit, anti-intellectual. and they have so wondered away from the message of christ and the gospel. you're seeing the younger generation of people wandering away from the faith and they don't want anything to do with this freak show. >> it is a freak show. and you know david french, when we were growing up in the church, we would have debate about legalism. but we would talk about

legalism. talking about those that don't come from your are religious tribe. now it's around abortion, gay marge. . your views could be good, my views are closer to theirs. that is not the definition of the gospels. that's not what jesus's life was abortioned to. if you say you're pro-life you can blow through every attitude, every message of jesus christ, and you're considered a "good christian" based on one issue. >> look, i'm pre-life, but i don't believe the ends justify the means. i don't think you can do anything in the name of being

pro life. in many ways they incompatible with the cause of life. there is another thing here that is happening. a word that we have not really mentioned and that is proprophe. if you're getting into a conspiracy theory, you're having to realize that a lot of christians are living in an environment where trump has been prophacized. so an aspect of legalism is now that there is a matter of christian legalism, supporting this person that has been prof sized. and bha are you going to do, are you going to declare something a

false that is not everybody. but when you see a lot of this ver veer sometimes that is bind it as well. and this is an extra complicating factor. >> let's not fall to the stereo types. these are not people that live in shacks like at the end of a dirt road. i'm talking about doctors, lawyers, people with as advanced degrees that i have known for my entire life. that were moderate tempermentally. >> yeah, even the best families,

joe, have experienced some of this. lynn wood is a lawyer last time i checked. i don't think this is a kahn. there is a lot of people like lynn around. it has always been since the time of jesus. people looking, they don't want the things that you're talking about. these are religious and spiritual practices, right? we want a conquerconquerer. we want another king david, and i think that is what the big store i have. we got to a point where we're making politics into a region.

and i thinkty it i think it is a false prophesy, a false religion, but i think that's what we're up against here. but i think that is just one part of the larger story. but i'm happy to see the way the election turns out oop maybe it was too close for comfort. it is at least a win. >> for everybody watching you can obviously be a christian and vote for krump. i'm not sure why you would, but you can. and not evangelicals are

extreme. i'm not saying that either. i'm talking about the guy that grew up in the first baptist church. up in tuscaloosa. not everybody but a lot of them with advanced degrees. i'm talking about that. there is something about jump, his rudeness, this foeny strength that christians seem to be attracted to. i don't understand it. because they are supposed to be worshipping a guy that said

blessed are the meek. a guy that said when you're slapped in the face, turn that cheek. what good is it if you only love your friends. i could go on and on, but i don't need to this is the message. show this so-called false profit that so many people have centered their belief systems around. how did they grow up reading the same bible, how have they disregarded so much of their belief system for a person that is the antithesis of everything. if you're going to quote me in your little blog post or whatever. read, and then go down one by one. pete, how could that be? >> yeah, it is a really good

question, joe. i think part of it really has to do with human psychology. i think if you take a step back for a lot of people, of the christian faith, and again not all of them, but off enough to be concerning they have been royaled by grievances. that has been around and brewing and growing for decades. and that kind of anger, when we are gripped by anger, they wander from their first love. you have the legalism, the moralism, without the mitigating faith that brings the grace and the tenderness. i think that is when you slip

and when you begin to use it as a cudgel. he was asking about this and he disregarded the sermon on the mound, and he said that is nice, but for a political leader we need somebody who is going to be the sword and the shield against the left. there is a psychic satisfaction they see or saw that they may not be that comfortable doing them but they were glad that someone was doing it there for them. >> reverend sharpton, what do you see as you travel the

country and you encounter this fooe nom non? what could be done? what should these, we heard from the minister earlier, that these theories have no place in history, but what can snn a similar position of authority there, what could they say to get them to e not believe? these untrue theories. >> there is no way when you're dealing, with david french's right, when you're dealing with people that believe in prophesy, you cannot question because they believe this is what god has assigned. you to show how that is absolutely antithetical to everything that we know god to be. i grew up in the pentecostal

church. i grew up believing in things like that. if you say one is not wrong about choice, but donald trump can do all there is done, publicly other than to add min that you're making a cultural, social, and political decision, trying to rationalize it using or misusing description. ihink that is what you to do. you to tear the hypocrisy off. >> so let's under line what matt lewis said. that i heard a lot of good things coming out of the southern baptist convention. a lot of people saying, and what i'm saying this morning, that the southern baptist church

needs to keep their focus primarily on the gospe. what's next for this church and for the evangelical church. >> it is very possible as we saw in nashville. the race was close, but this was a significant defeat for the fundamentalist wing. in part it is more partisan. and there are thousands of baptists that representation millions more, they might be republican or they might not be but they don't want to be defined by politics. you could really see a conflict shaping there. is this a body of believers defined by following jesus or defined by the culture war and it's war. we had a lot of bad news about

religion in the last many months. and this was a piece of very good news. this was the largest denomination turning away and this was a movement that they actually identified themselves as pie rots and they would take the ship, but they didn't. they perceived maximum strength, but at the same time they're booing mike mens and calling him a traitor into this is very much alive, but what happened in nashville said to me that it is not a winning conclusion. >> thank you all very much. great conversation. really appreciate it. coming up, in the race for new

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state with unfinished business and exposing taxpayers. he expected lawmakers to pass the controversial bill when they reconvene at an unscheduled special session. president biden is modern p tradition, plans to host a white house ceremony for unveiling of former president barack obama's official portrait. according to people familiar with discussions. president trump broke the decades long bipartisan tradition of a first term president hosting a portrait unveiling ceremony for their immediate predecessor. the upcoming event with the obamas is expected to take place this fall, once coronavirus restrictions have been lifted for large gatherings. jonathan lemire, another return to normal behavior, like actual just being graceful. >> a degree of civility perhaps.

not only did former president trump not unveil the portrait of his predecessor, barack obama, there were multiple occasions he had events in the white house where he would deliberately walk by the portrait on the first floor of former first lady hillary clinton and take pleasure in the fact he beat her in the 2016 election. this is one of the small steps. when will they unveil the portrait for donald trump, biden's predecessor, would that happen in those four years, would trump decide to attend. >> that would be fascinating. all right. with just one day until the democratic primary for new york city mayor, candidates are gambling on some last minute alliances. former city sanitation commissioner katherine garcia and candidate andrew yang held a joint rally saturday. their showing of unity as the city is set to hold the first

rank choice election. voters can select the top five candidates. the pair took aim at former police captain eric adams whose tough on crime stance pushed him to the front of recent polls. joining us now, wuchb the candidates, former u.s. housing secretary, shaun donovan. thank you very much for joining us. in terms of where the rankings stand in the poll, how do you think you're going to fare in the elections, and what can you do at the last minute to change voters' minds? >> great to be back in studio, speaking of return to normalcy. great to be with your colleagues here. look, i am excited about what i am feeling out around the five boroughs, and as you just said, this is the first rank choice election in the city's history. it has been wide open. i am focused on what i have been focused on since the beginning, talking to voters about housing

and homelessness, about how we make the city both safe and create respect in black and brown communities. that's what voters are focused on, not candidates attacking each other at this moment. >> on the idea of rank choice, first time new york city has done this. we saw this sort of unusual alliance this weekend by two competitors. weigh in on that, whether you considered something similar. and also, how do you game out in the final hours the rank choice voting system. how do you weigh in like i may not be the first choice, get me second or third. how do you explain that to a voter? >> captain garcia has been saying for two months she didn't think andrew yang was qualified and saying something different in the last two days. i think we need to stop attacking each other and focus on the issues that new yorkers are really concerned about at this moment which is public safety, which is housing and

homelessness. that's what i have been doing. i have been out the last week with folks on our streets. we could fill yankee stadium with the number of folks we have sleeping on our streets and in shelter. we have an epidemic of mental health that's playing out on our streets and subways. i'm not hearing new yorkers talk about where yang lives, i hear them talk about where more than 50,000 new yorkers will live going forward. those are the issues i am focused on. >> shaun, in terms of your own campaign i know others have done commercials about what you've done in housing, some people said he hasn't done anything in housing. and i think the unfair criticism is disturbing. i get up and i see maya wally,

the exact, they asked about council attacking her. i said we would look into it. don't stand for it. she doubled the record from $500 million of contracts to 1.6 billion. so these kind of unfair attacks. explain to our viewers what has been distorted about your record? i was using maya as an example. >> reverend, i appreciate it. just as you said, i started working 30 years ago to rebuild brownsville, east new york, harlem, working with you over many years. we were actually able to bring down homelessness by a third when i led housing in this city. working with michelle obama, we ended veteran homelessness in 80 cities. we don't need sound bites about this, we need solutions. somebody in city hall that led through moments of crisis. in the wake of 9/11 and

hurricane sandy, in the great recession when half of black and brown wealth was stolen in this country, i was called on to help lead the city back. that's the moment we're in. this is the moment where the hurricane has passed, right? the sun is coming out. the waters are receding. we still have more than 500,000 new yorkers out of work. we need a leader in city hall that brings bold ideas, who brings real change, and has the experience to make the change real in the lives of new yorkers. >> how would you deal with the fact you mentioned homelessness, they seem to have increased beyond expectation. how do you bring them back when those that are in hotels, temporary motels, now the hotel owners and motel owners have to reclaim that, go back in business. how do we relocate them in shelters. many with mental health issues. how do you manage that?

>> well look, let me tell you two stories from this week. one is nunu, who has been waiting for 18 months in an emergency shelter. hasn't had one conversation about housing. so many others are afraid to even go in, open air drug markets or the violence. on the other hand, talked to willie boyd whose father was a veteran. his life was saved by supportive housing. what's that? that's permanent housing that has services on site. that's the tool we use to bring down homelessness by a third when i led it here in the city and dramatically improved the homelessness challenge around the country. that's the solution, not sound bites, not an emergency shelter system that's not working. it really is housing. that's the answer. >> let's talk about you mention violence. talk about that. certainly not all violent crime is up. shootings are, particularly in certain neighborhoods in new york city. what do you make of currently the nypd performance on this, and secondly, what would you do

differently to get a hold of this, the rise at the same time, respecting relationships between police and communities they serve? >> absolutely. look, we need solutions that create safety and respect at the same time. and there's no question that we have to get guns off the street. let's be clear. we are not manufacturing them in new york, they're coming in from rogue gun dealers from out of state. one thing i could do as mayor is form a partnership with law enforcement agencies and other mayors and governors that could stop the flow of illegal guns from rogue gun dealers from out of state. a second thing, the mental health epidemic we are seeing on the streets is contributing to violence we are seeing. this goes back to how you respond to mental health. too often we are asking the police to be mental health experts rather than really focus them on crime. we need mental health experts

and we need to make sure that when somebody is leaving riker's island, the biggest mental health facility in the state now but isn't set up to really deal with it. we should have housing and services for folks coming out. when i was housing commissioner, we set up a program for the first time that directed folks out of rikers straight into housing and services. not only did it dramatically improve the recidivism rate for those folks, it was replicated in more than 30 cities around the country. those are the kind of solutions we need at this moment that break the cycle of mental health, incarceration and homelessness. >> shaun donovan, thank you very much. good luck to you. thanks for being on the show this morning. in our final minute on "morning joe." final thoughts. a lot of great conversations on the show. reverend al sharpton. to you first. >> i learned today, my final thoughts, i was intrigued by the

conversation about the fringe groups that lost in the southern baptist convention, i hope people will study the word that they believe in rather than just recite what they heard others say that don't line up with the biblical word as we know it. >> and jonathan lemire, what are you looking at today? >> we were talking about violence, how it has risen in parts of new york city with shootings. this we can getting on the federal calendar. president biden wednesday is having an event talking about this, rise in violence in certain areas of the country as the nation comes out of the pandemic. >> all right. that does it for us. stephanie ruhle picks up coverage right now. hi there. i am stephanie ruhle. monday, june 21st. we have a lot to cover, from the midwest to the south, extreme weather hitting a