at this hour, the senate is back in session for the start of a make or break week for the democratic agenda. we'll find out whether congress will be able t act on police reform or even voting rights this week. and if an infrastructure package negotiated by bipartisan group of senators has a realistic chance of moving forward. now president biden is trying to get the ball rolling on that infrastructure plan. he is holding meetings with senators involved in that deal. white house press secretary says that president will do all he can to get a plan across the fish line. watch.

>> the door to the oval office is always open. he'll be deeply engaged in the negotiations over the coming days. . >> meantime, vice president kamala harris and labor secretary marty walsh went to pittsburgh to promote the extended child tax credit included in the covid-19 relief package passed earlier this year. the vice president talking about the importance of the monthly payments set to begin on july 15th. >> we want to make sure that we are actually helping families, right? and that means taking some of the pressure off of those monthly if not daily responsibilities. >> we're also following another big decision from the supreme court. the justices ruled that ncaa broke antitrust laws when it blocked some education related aid for student athletes. such as, you know, money for post graduate scholarships tutoring and paid internships.

we'll have more later in the hour. of but we're going to begin this hour with the very latest from if washington, d.c. joining us now, nbc news white house correspond mike memali and capitol hill correspondent leanne caldwell. much has he made a decision that has been put forward by this group of senators? how confident if at all is the white house that the president could reach a deal with this group of senators when in reality he could not come to a agreement during his talks with west virginia senator. >> well, in one of the differences in the conversations that are happening with this bigger bipartisan group versus what he was hearing from that gang was that they felt like they were moving many stems in the direction of capito and the other republicans she was working with and didn't see enough in return. especially on this issue of new money, new spending that wasn't already set to be allocated as

part of the usual budget process. now we know that president spent a lot of the last few days getting updated on where exactly this bipartisan group was coming from. some of the new money they were putting forward, but we know that one of the big issues remains the issue of how to pay for it. the white house sending up a real signal on friday reiterating the position that a gas tax is just not something they were willing to go along with. the president said that is a regressive tax -- that hits the middle class, the working class far more than it hits higher earners. and so the white house is just waiting for the framework to come together on the part of the bipartisan group that's been discussioned about this. the president engaged more since returning overseas. he is waiting for it. they're really getting close to a deal. that's why they're finalizing the details. the pessimistic way to look at it is how to pay for it is not coming together at all. but the white house made it clear that one of the big issues that they're also confronting is

time. they don't have weeks. they might only have days. here's the white house press secretary talking about this earlier this afternoon. >> he does not feel the time is unlimited. and he would like -- it is not weeks in his view. in terms of moving forward and seeing that there is a bipartisan path forward. so that is why he's eager to have these meetings and discussions over the coming days and the white house and see what looks like, see if we can address some of the questions he has about the proposal. and certainly he would like to move forward sooner rather than later. >> so you heard it. most precious commodity any president has is their time. the white house has done a lot to clear his schedule in the next 48 hours in particular so he can have the phone calls, have the potentially in person meetings once more lawmakers return here to d.c. you heard senator lindsey graham, one of the newest republicans to join this bipartisan group over the weekend calling on the former senate colleague to show some leadership here. that is the pressure coming from republicans on capitol hill. but we know that democrats and

the white house are mindful of their backup plan which is trying to get democrats onboard with a bigger but not a bipartisan path forward as well. >> the senate is set to vote tomorrow on whether to begin debate on major voting rights bill known as for the people act. republicans are opposed to this piece of legislation. and the bill obviously would need 60 votes to proceed to debate. why are democrats holding a vote which looks like likely to fail they're not prepared to talk about the filibuster. >> you laid that out well. this is a procedural vote. when we talk about the filibuster, that's what this is all b you need 60 votes to even begin debating legislation up here on this senate. well, the democrats are going to move forward with this vote despite the fact that it won't get the support of probably any republicans because this is a big priority for the democratic

party. it's a big priority for the democratic base as well. they promised there would be a vote on it. now the one thing to watch tomorrow when this procedural vote does happen is where senator joe manchin of west virginia falls. he votes for this motion, then it's going to be much easy her for democrats to say that republicans are the ones who opposed even opening debate on this critical issue for the democratic party. now as far as the filibuster is concerned, this is an issue that could instigate more and more talk about the full i buster and getting rid of or reforming the filibuster. the thing is though, it's not just joe manchin and the senator of arizona that don't support eliminating the filibuster at this point. there are other democrats as w and so this is going to be a very complicated issue moving

forward for democrats. the but they are hoping that tomorrow at least they'll be able to say that was just republicans who blocked the opening of the debate. >> all right. mike memoli and leigh ann caldwell, thank you for starting off us with. we have brand new reporting about what may have been known leading up to the january 6th attack on the capitol. according to a february investigative report, an fbi agent acknowledged that angry trump supporters openly discussed bringing guns to the capitol to start a revolution in the days leading up to that january 6th insurrection. interesting development. we heard the fbi director christopher ray and other officials essentially downplaying any intelligence warning of potential violence on january 6th. and in the weeks and day and runup to the i how does this new reporting fit with what we already heard? >> that's right. you're right.

the sentence you read from that court document would surprise no one. something that nbc news and other organizations reported. even before january 6th, we reported that people were threatening violence in the days leading up to the riot. they down played the value of that chaert. that's why they didn't write an intelligence bulletin. but now we have this court document filed by an fbi agent in the case of the nypd officer who is charged with assaulting capitol police officer that day. this court document says that the fbi did a review of social media and they found, too, that trump supporters were threatening to bring guns and bring revolution to the capitol. now they haven't said whether they're talking about a review prejanuary 6th or post january 6th. but clearly, the fbi knew. we all knew that people were talking on social media about bringing violence to the capitol. the question remaunz why they

didn't warn anybody about it. why they didn't write an intelligence report. that is the subject of multiple congressional hearings. christopher ray was grilled about. this the fbi has not opened the books on this. the. >> why have they been reluctant to say that there is evidence out there as is now cited in that court document? >> they promise violence on social media and don't follow-through. it is difficult for the fbi to figure out which people are bragging and which people are serious. but there was such a volume of chatter on social media where people were talking about bringing guns, bringing weapons, maps of the capitol, stopping the steal that day. most experts say that was a signal. that should have been taken seriously. and greater security should have been placed around the capitol. and the fbi is the agency we hold responsible for protecting

us against terrorist attacks. and they just were missing in action in terms of that intelligence that day. and they have not really come up with the satisfy answer for why. house democrats last week called it a massive intelligence failure by the fbi, ayman. >> thank you for putting the spotlight on that report. i appreciate it. joining me is collin alred. great to you have with us. thank you for joining us wednesday again. let me get your reaction if i k your thoughts on what we just heard there from my colleague about how the fbi now is saying that, you know, supporters of the former president, donald trump, discussed a revolution before january 6th and what we saw presented in that court document. >> i agree that we all knew something was going to happen that day. and we have discussions about it. you know, we have members who were worried about coming to the capitol that day. and so this was not a surprise to us and our own capacity just

reading our own social media accounts. and i'm sure the fbi was aware of what was happening. i think it was a failure both to communicate and to prepare. and this is why we need to have a bipartisan commission like we did after 9/11 to study what happened, why it happened, and what we can do to make sure it never happens again. >> let's talk about some of the developments taking place on capitol hill. will i'll start this afternoon former president barack obama holding a telephone town hall with activists pushing for voting rights bills. they're now under consideration in the senate. he made this connection between the events of january 6th and the need for these bills. watch. >> he can wnt wait until the next election. because if we have the same kinds of shenanigans that brought about january 6th, if we have that for a couple more election cycles, we're going to have real problems in terms of

our term. >> a stark warning from the former president. does this threat drive up the urgency to protect voting rights even if it that includes joe manchin's package here. that would require voter id. >> you know, i think the president -- former president is right. we're facing a crisis. our democracy is literally on the line right now. and what we're seeing is efforts to make sure that noter how hard you work to register voters and turn out the vote and do all the thungs we know we do in every election that the fix is going to be in. that's going to be set before you ever enter a voting box. who is going to win. and if they don't like who won in certain states, they may be able to overturn it just by an act of legislature. that is how our democracy dies. it really s i think we need to start having a much more serious conversation about this. it's not a democratic priority. it needs to be a priority for our democracy that we fix our voting, allow folks to vote.

let the people vote. let's see where the chips fall. you may win some or lose some. that's how our democracy works. >> you got some concerns at the state level now. certainly in a place like texas that is at the forefront of the voting rights battle. governor greg abbott as you're aware expected to call a special session to take up a bill that would among other things limit early voting, ban drive through voting and tighten voting by mail rules. obviously democrats were able to stop it at the end of the regular session by simply not attending this session. but what did democrats need to do before the special session to ensure that the bill doesn't move forward? do they actually have any powers to stop it from happening? >> they may have some procedural tools in the toolbox. really what this is about is making sure people of texas understand what they were trying to do in the dark of night on a holiday weekend, ayman to try to pass this voter restriction bill at 2:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m.

most of the people on the conference committee did not see a lot of the language that was in the final bill. and that's why the house democrats had had to walk out. to prevent it from happening. that's why we have to have federal legislation. we need to have a national standard so our democracy is radically different from state to state. and senator manchin put forward a plan that i can sport. i can get behind. we have to have something to make sure that our democracy still intact. states like texas will do whatever they can to try and make sure that the election is decided before you ever enter the ballot box. >> finally, congressman, i want to talk about infrastructure. it is becoming, you know, a hot issue given the efforts to try to get something passed. you sit on the transportation and infrastructure committee. and while we still don't know the full details of the bipartisan senate package that has been negotiated between the 11 republicans and 10 democratic senators onboard, some of your more progressive colleagues in the house are opposed to it because it does not do enough to

address climate change. where do you come on -- where do you come down on this? are you looking for comprehensive infrastructure package that deals with climate change and infrastructure at the same time? or do you support separating the two as some suggested? >> yeah. you know, i think it's a false distinction. i think any infrastructure package is going to involve climate because so much of what drives our climate change comes from, you know, our trans it and whether it is cars or other forms of our infrastructure. and so it's all part of the same conversation. but, you know, i'm supportive of us having the bipartisan talks. i want to see a deal come out of this. i also recognize the american society of civil engineers gauff our infrastructure nationally a c minus and said we need $6 trillion in investment over the next ten years just to bring it up to snuff. we're the richest country in the world with a 13th ranked infrastructure in the world. we have to do something and something big. this is an opportunity for us. i hope it can be bipartisan. we have to act.

i agree with what president biden said in the joint session of congress. of he wants to do it in a bipartisan way. not acting is not an option. >> all right. congressman, always a pleasure sir. thank you for your time. >> thank you. and coming up, overseas, iran's newly elected president held his first press conference today. what he had to say about president biden and those nuclear talks. we're going to have a live report from tehran. later today, supreme court ruling that could reshape american college sports. the latest on what that means for student athletes. you're watching ayman mohyeldin reports. n mohyeldin reports. our softest, smoothest fabric keeping her comfortable, protected, and undeniably sleek. depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you. hearing is important to living life to the fullest. that's why inside every miracle-ear store, you'll find better cheers with your favorite fans. you'll find a better life is in store at miracle-ear, when you experience the exclusive miracle-ear advantage.

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iran's new hard line conservative president held his first press conference today following his win in friday's election. he will be sanctioned by the united states before he actually takes o office. israel's new prime minister bennett warned that his win was the last chance for world powers to wake up before returning to the nuclear agreement. the white house national security adviser addressed what the result means for those nuclear negotiations. >> the ultimate decision for whether or not to go back into the deal lies with iran's supreme leader. he is the same person before this election as he is after the election. so ultimately it lies with him. and his decision as to whether he wants to go down the path of diplomacy here or face mounting pressure not just from the

united states but from the rest of the international community. >> all right. joining me now, nbc news's bureau chief. joining us from tel aviv in israel, nbc news foreign correspondent rack sanchez. the you had an opportunity to attend the press conference. give us the general gist of what he had to say and tone of his incoming administration. >> hey, ayman, his tone was austere and that came across very clearly in the press conference. he showed very little interest in having normal relations with the united states. i asked him if all u.s. sanctions need to be removed in order for the jc period to workhe? said not only do all the sanctions need to be removed, but iran needs to verify that it is actually working. that there are economic benefits for the country. and he dismissed any notion of meeting with president joe biden even if an agreement was made. he was asked would you meet joe

biden? he flatly said no. and he moved on. which is in stark contrast predecessor who was the first iranian president to speak to a president. he spoke to president obama after the deal was final yuzed. he ruled out any stronger or longer deal with the united states, something that biden administration is very keen to extend on. he said that's absolutely not negotiable. but he did say iran's foreign policy isn't just limited to the jcpoa. he wants to normalize relations with saudi arabia and other neighbors within this region. he was also asked about his record at a time, at a time he was judged in the 80s. where he had had an alleged role in the extra judicial killing of thousands of political prurz. prisoners. he said he always defended human rights. adding that u.s. sanctions against him for human rights

abuses had been imposed on him for doing his job. i think to extend on jake sullivan's point, it is the supreme leader wants this to happen. raisi is going to follow the cue. he is keeping the negotiations in place. this is an indication they want this sooner rather than later. it would give an economic boost to the country. and it will also enhance his standings after an election which had a fairly low voter turnout. stay with me. let's cross over to israel and see the reaction from there. what more can you tell us about how this is playing out, the election of raisi is playing out and the efforts to try to basically prevent the return to the jcpoa.

>> yeah, the new prime minister bennett, like benjamin netanyahu before him, takes a hard line on iran. he used raisi's election as an opportunity to say to western powers including the united states that in his words, they need to wake up. hard-liners like raisi represent the true face of the iranian regime. and that they cannot be trusted to uphold their end of the nuclear deal according to israel. now we also heard words of congratulations from across the middle east including the arab neighbors with the notable exception of saudi arabia. there is talk recent weeks of saudi arabia and iran. the two major regional rivals, perhaps finding a thaw in relations after years and years of tension. raisi was congratulated by the leaders of russia and china.

those are two regimes that are extremely important. both of them permanent members of the u.n. security council. also signatures to the iran nuclear deal. russia, of course, fighting alongside iran within syria on behalf of the assad regime. and china, one of the only countries in the world prepared to still defy american sanctions and keep buying iranian oil. so a major life line for tehran. >> very quickly. just because we've been tracking developments unside of iran regarding the nuclear program. there is some news regarding the nuclear power plant. can you shed any light on what is going on with that? >> initially they said it was an emergency shotdown. but later on this afternoon, officials here have been playing down the importance of the shotdown saying it was normal procedure in order to carry out maintenance repairs.

and technical issues. but -- it should be off line for about a week until they resolve all the issues. but in reality, ayman, in this country, it's experiencing serious power outages in part because so many bitcoins are being mined here to circumvent sanctions. they don't want to risk an unexpected power outage at the country's main power plant. so that's why it may have been shut down. >> incredible. all right. thank you both for joining us this hour. up next, local fans will be allowed at the tokyo owe lum picks. but with some strict limits . we'll teal you about that. new comments on dr. fauci's covid-19 lab theory. why he is standing his ground. you're watching "ayman mohyeldin reports." atching "ayman mohyeldn reports. insurance with liberty mutual, so you only pay for what you need.

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all right. so with just days to go before summer recess, the supreme court issued a decision that could shift the dynamics of college sports. they ruled against the ncaa allowing for small education related benefits for college athletes. the decision did not, however, touch on the controversial issue of whether students can be paid salaries or be similarly

compensated. joining me now is our justice correspondent pete williams. good to have you with us on this. walk us through the mechanics of the case and what it could mean for the future of college athletics. >> you're right. they didn't say anything about whether they can be paid for their athletic performance. its a bad sign that they would prevent any future actions. so this involved education related perks. unrelated to the student's athletic performance, things like providing them with computers or musical instruments or scientific equipment or allowing them to take internship that's are paid. the supreme court said the ncaa was wrong to try to block those, put a cap on those. but in the ruling, the supreme court undercut the ncaa's legal theory that it said absolutely has to hold the line against creeping professionalism that amateurism is essential to college sports because without it, the college sports would lose their fan base.

justice brett kavanaugh further. the business model is completely illegal. for instance, restaurants can no ban together and decide to pay people less because on the theory that customers want to eat food that is prepared by people who don't get paid very much. so this is not a good sign for the ncaa. now as the supreme court's ruling comes down, it is facing increasing pressure from states that are passing laws. the total is now 15 states that have passed laws that say students can be compensated for the use of their names, images or likenesses and the ncaa has to decide now what is it going to do about those state laws? ultimately the ncaa is hoping for some relief from congress. it's hoping congress will pass a lou that will apply nationwide and decide how athletes can be paid. >> pete, quickly, are there other cases working their way through the system that could also touch on some of the controversial issues that you

raised? >> no, the legal action is in congress. there will be students that could sue and say well we have the supreme court ruling. we want to be paid for our names, images and likenesses. for example, students in states that don't have the laws. but that is really not where the action is right now. it's before the ncaa. what are they going to do about the state laws? and it's before congress. are they going to pass some sort of nationwide domain here? >> all right. pete williams in d.c. with that reporting. pete, always a pleasure. thank you. and now turning to the coronavirus pandemic. here are the developments as we're watching them at this hour. today a senior adviser to the world health organization warned that half of the countries in the covax program do not have the supplies to keep up with the vaccinations. this as the u.s. announces its plans to share 55 million dose globally. 41 million going to covax. on "the new york times" podcast today, anthony fauci maintained the stance on the lab leak

theory saying he hasn't seen any definitive data or evidence whatsoever proving it to be true. fauci said he puts very little weight on those criticizing him saying, "the more extreme they get, the more obvious how political it is." and last night, the foo fighters rocked madison square garden's first full capacity concert since the pandemic shuttered the venue last ma. there were no masks or social distancing requirements. but all attendees did have to be fully vaccinated. and organizers of the tokyo olympics announced a very limited number of fans will be allowed to attend the games. the limit is set to 50% capacity. a maximum of 10,000 fans per venue. all of whom must be japanese residents. this as the country continues to struggle with a vaccination rate at about 7% with shots only going to health care workers and the elderly right now. nbc news correspondent janice frayer is following all the

developments and has more. >> months of speculation went into this decision which is seen as a final hurdle before the games going ahead. this isn't about foreign spectators. that was determined months ago. that foreign visitors would not be allowed. this is for domestic fans. officials saying the upper limit will be 50% capacity at most venues to a maximum of 10,000 people. the issue facing officials is that they presold about four million tickets. so now they're devising a lottery system to determine who is able to go. the caveat is that the plan could be change order could be scrapped altogether if it's determined that japan or tokyo needs another state of emergency in order to get covid-19 infections under control. you see this decision on fans krikts the advice given by japan's top medical expert just last week saying the safest way to pull off the games is not have any fans at all. add to this the heavy opposition among japanese to having the

games go ahead anyway. 80% of people oppose to it. and wanting the games canceled. 10,000 volunteers have already quit over fears of infection. the concern, of course, is that the olympics will will turn into a massive super spreader event because of the thousands of athletes and officials coming in from around the world. however, ioc officials and organizers feel it's important for athletes to have people there watching them live. they have a number of other restrictions that will be in place wearing masks, no shouting in the stands, athletes have an anti-socializing policy in if the athletes village to avoid any unnecessary mingling. an aej leet tested positive on arrival. the team was allowed to continue on to the games, not considered close contacts but that athlete turned back. there are a lot of questions that are lingering on whether japan will be able to pull this

off with just one month to go before the opening ceremony. ayman? >> thank you janice for that reporting from beijing. and we're closely tracking tropical storm claudette now over the atlantic ocean. will we'll take you live to alabama where this storm has claimed the lives of more than a dozen people unfortunately. mostly children. that's right here on "ayman mohyeldin reports." here on "ay mohyeldin reports. from the world's #1 selling nerve care company. nervive contains alpha lipoic acid to relieve occasional nerve aches, weakness and discomfort. try nervivenerve relief. introducing aleve x. it's fast, powerful long-lasting relief with a revolutionary, rollerball design. because with the right pain reliever... life opens up. aleve it, and see what's possible.

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♪ tropical storm claudette is moving out over the atlantic ocean after regaining strength this morning and drenching the carolinas with two inches of heavy rain. there were tornadoes and flood ago long the gulf coast and bringing with it up to 15 inches of rain in some areas. the storm is blamed for a deadly multicar crash killing ten people including one adult, eight churn, and a 9-month-old. nbc news correspondent kathy park is in east brew town,

alabama, with more. what is the latest we fwhoe this tragic crash? >> yeah. so officials are saying that it's likely a hydroplaning vehicle that triggered the multicar accident which happened sunday afternoon about an hour away from here in butler county on i-65. a horrific turn of events. we're told that was likely storm related. the roads were obviously treacherous to drive on because there was a lot of heavy rainfall in the area. but ten people were killed in the accident. nine of them children. majority of them were part of a youth ranch. and they were coming back from a beach retreat. what is even more tragic, we learned the director of the ranch was also the driver of the bus, shuttling all the kids. she was the sole survivor and two of her own kids were killed in in the crash as well. meanwhile, here in alabama, this

is a big headline. this is the destruction, the damage left behind from an ef-2 tornado and residents have been coming in and out here throughout the area just picking up the pieces. i want to show you the force of mother nature. so over here you'll see what is left of a mobile home. what is left is the pad of the mobile home. we're told that the winds were so intense, it literally lifted up this mobile home and then moved it over here. this is what this huge debris mound is. you look a little closely, you'll notice that there is a truck wedged in it between as well. we're told that several people were injured and are recovering. right now we're not hearing of any fatalities. but you know, we've been out here all day. the weather has been quite unpredictable. a lot of rain showers throughout the day. in fact, the fire chief came by

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there are just nine days left until the june 30th deadline for a bipartisan compromise on police reform in this country. and despite the time crunch, south carolina republican senator tim scott remains optimistic according to the post and currier scott said, "i hope that in the next seven to ten days we'll have the blueprint marked." he put the chances of the bill moving ahead at above 50%. federal legislation is still under debate. cities like chicago are attempting to reform on their

own to bridge the gap between the community and the police. joining me now from chicago, our nbc news kpant shaquille brewster. good to see you. i know you talked about the community policing initiative. what did you find out? >> well, ayman, they say it's a priority. you have the superintendent of chicago police department not only saying that he wants to engage more with the community but getting let sources to make that happen. we took a look to see what makes this program, this community program more impactful. rl this is what it looks like? >> yeah. this is literally just walking out in the street and talking to folks. >> reporter: it's community policing and the deputy chief is charged with refreshing the deck -- decades old could be september. >> this is a transformtive moment for cpd. >> reporter: a moment that can't come soon enough for a city that has seen shootings spike and

murders rise just in the first quarter of this year. for novales, the solution is in the community. >> once you establish relationship with folks, people are -- and they trust you, people are more apt to speak to you, to exchange information with you. tell you about problems tell you about problems that sometimes we don't think are police problems. >> reporter: chicago's initiative pushes officers to break from traditional policing and engage the public, passing out food and hosting events. >> your job was to proactively in the field engage members of the community. >> and those two officers, that is their only job? >> they are not responsible for radio calls. >> reporter: researchers say in the first year it seemed to be working. trusting police was on the rise. >> the aim is to have the police responsive to communities. to have the community to say

what it wants. >> reporter: while the pandemic and protests rolled back progress, community leaders assisting the program say they've seen change. what did it look like before? >> it was just calling and going into a dead sentence. >> we were walking with some of the dcos and four, five, six people coming up to them knowing them by name. that's what we want. >> reporter: mcbride says she is concerned the program could be expanding too quickly emphasizing the need for change to last. >> oftentimes what happens, especially in major cities, program after program is introduced, then it's defunded or forgotten about or something else becomes the new highlight reel. and so i think there's skepticism sometimes from community members that their voices will be heard this time. >> reporter: ayman, both mecole and the deputy chief told us

they hope the program becomes a model for other cities to follow. it's been more than a year for police reform, longer when you look at what's been happening here in chicago. both sides are saying it's not about choosing between engaging the community or fighting crime. in order to effectively fight crime you need to have the community helping you out. ayman? joining me now is a former member of president obama's task force, a black lives matter activist and an msnbc contributor. it's great to have you back on the program. for for your time. i know primes like community policing, they're not necessarily new but i guess the real qui is do they actually work? are they compatible with demands to defund the police especially following the police murder of

george floyd? >> i don't at all think they're compatible. as shaquille's piece said community policing has been around for decades. it's actually a concept that dates all the way back to the 1960s. so, in short, if it was going to work, it would have worked by now. and, frankly, if you need to play basketball with me or know the name of my child in order to not kill them the issue is not with me and my community, it's with the institution that policing has created. i think what is much more in line with what communities are demanding we are looking clearly at wholesale public safety. policing institutions in this country have not been very good at providing that for a long time. they're not preventing crime, they're not solving crime, and often communities are left to have to protect themselves. we should see deep investments in the things that keep communities safe from the ground up instead of continuing to

engage from the top down. i find it interesting those community officers are being placed in communities. it is totally possible to engage with the community and protect and keep it safe when certain people occupy it. >> the question ultimately if you're trying to build trust with the community, how do you build trust if it's not through these programs and engagement putting aside the police brutality. people are talking about the kind of effort that needs to be taking place to reform it but is there anything in the meantime between where you want to get to and where we are now that could potentially work? >> well, i'm going to respectfully push a little bit

on this idea of trust. >> yes, please. >> i find it interesting the chicago police department when setting the measure of success themselves said they trust that trust factor is the measure of success. i don't measure success by whether or not the community trusts an institution more but whether or not people are actually safer at the hands of that institution. look, this is not actually a two-way street. this is not about whether the police trust the community and the community trusts the police. this is whether or not police are doing the job that they were set up to do, to serve and protect the people. and if the orientation is that we need community policing in order to help solve and prevent crimes there are a lot better ways to be spending municipal money. we have not seen an increase in police spending actually correlate with a decrease in crime. if we really care about stopping crime then we would see folks on

the right leading the nra in droves and joining organizations like fund peace and life camp and moms demand to stop gun violence. we would see deep investments in mental health care since so many on the right like to blame disabled people for the violent crime that we're seeing instead of recognizing that disabled people are often the victims of police violence. these people would be supporting a livable wage so people wouldn't be driven to property crime, reporting fair housing instead of pushing the police to arrest housing insecure people. there are solutions to actually prevent crime and create truly safe communities. the question is are we willing to refund resource and support them in a way to aloe them to be successful? >> always smarter for having you on. thank you for your time. it's an important conversation we'll continue to have. that wraps up the hour for me. i will see you back here tomorrow at 3:00 p.m.

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