[ speaking foreign language ] >> what we have been hearing from the local mayor, mayor cava and others, there's only one person dead. remarkable search and rescue operation still under way. this team of international search and rescue operators worked all over the world, never on their home turf. this is the response to earthquakes and similar things and obviously a terrible tragedy. let's go back to the news, followed by chuck todd with "mtp daily." . [ speaking foreign language ]

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>> well, they didn't take any questions. we heard from the governor, from the mayor, the search and rescue mission, that's what it is now, heard from the mayor of surfside, you heard him, it is one of the smaller communities that our municipalities within the county, they only had so much resources for something like this. this is definitely a county and state situation. what you didn't hear was a lot of updates on the idea of what could have caused this. that's obviously something in some ways they'll work on that. but looks like search and rescue obviously is the number one priority now. they were not able to update us on the records on how many people they believe are missing. we have seen reports of upwards

of 50 or so. sam brock is on the ground for us now there on that island in surfside, florida, shares the same island as miami beach. sam, what more are we learning about search and rescue efforts and how often are they finding folks that are alive? >> so far, i mean, we know from this morning, chuck, they were able to rescue 35 people, two people were pulled from the rubble. that was in the early hours overnight. this happened at 1:30. this has been going on, search and rescue efforts, for 11 hours. i was struck by the same two things you were, chuck. one, no questions taken after the press conference, two, it is not what they said, it is what they didn't say. how many people are missing. we know this, 55 units collapsed, out of a building. what you're looking at now, the

scenes don't do it justice. that's how severe the situation is now, having spoken with folks that washed out of the building, hearing a boom, what they said sounded like an earthquake, now what's going on with loved ones, it is unsettling. i was given the impression that we might be getting an update on how many people they're looking for. obviously that hasn't come. a member of miami-dade commission believes it is 51 people unaccounted for so far, if you look specifically at emergency services and family members that would notify them that they can't currently get in touch with a loved one. doesn't mean folks aren't out of town, not there presently. that's an estimate. not a concrete one at that. we are looking at the totality of the situation. dozens of people that could have been in the building. the last thing i will say, chuck, it has been 40 years. 1981 when the building was first built. 40 year law in miami beach, you

have to have structural integrity after that point. they were starting with the roof, doing some construction there, whether it is related at all to what happened overnight is not clear at this point. >> sam, let me ask you a couple of observational questions. you've been there awhile. did you ever smell gas? >> reporter: no. no smelling of gas. some of the other theories thrown out there, maybe a sinkhole, but probably would be fairly evident if that were the case from folks out there, search and rescue officials that were out there, trying to find whoever might still be alive, if that were true. is it something, topography of the area, several buildings are designed similarly to that one. in a a manner of hours, we're speaking with a civil engineer and contractor that specializes in building failures to get some insight into what might have happened. for the time being, they're stuck. the mayor of surfside said it is a catastrophic failure, we cannot get our minds around how

this could have possibly happened. only time i have seen anything like this is after an earthquake and there was no earthquake here today. >> right. the different authorities that are there, gives you a clue what they think could have happened, the normal search and rescue, have you seen any other entities out there from the federal level, have you seen atf or anything like that? >> i have not. that's with the caveat, we're standing a couple blocks from where this is happening. we are told there are dogs and teams with years of experience that are going there now, combing the area. in terms of a federal partnership, the mayor in miami-dade spoke on the phone recently with president biden and federal assistance will be offered. haven't seen federal officials on scene so far. >> i assume part of the building still standing, have all those people been accounted for and evacuated at least?

>> reporter: our understanding is yes, the hard part to wrap your head around. look over my shoulder, from this vantage point, it looks normal. half of it is standing up right. as soon as you get around the corner, 55 units, that's what it looks like something out of a disaster zone. our understanding is everyone in the part that was sound was able to be rescued. there are stories of folks that are okay couldn't get out of jammed doorways because there was so much debris in the building. >> my apologies for hitting you with so many questions. have they evacuated any buildings next to this building? >> reporter: i am glad you asked that. yes, they did. they took them to a local hotel, also a nearby apartment building. the reason is as of this morning, not sure if it is still the case, there was deep concern the whole building could collapse. if that's the case, they didn't want to seat extent of what it

could do to maybing buildings. at this point, they stabilized the side of the building and are tunnelling underneath trying to find people. >> sam brock, tough story to report on, when you have limited access and authorities are i think because they're stumped, really don't have a lot of answers for us yet. let's hope the search and rescue mission continues to bring good news and live bodies. sam, thanks very much. we're going to stay on top of this story throughout the hour, check in when we have more information to share. let's turn to the latest developments in washington. you heard from president biden and a bipartisan group of senators at the white house. when the president comes out, that doesn't happen every day. they formally announced they've come to agreement on framework for an infrastructure deal. if you missed it. >> we all agreed that none of us

got what we wanted. i clearly didn't get all i wanted. they gave more than i think maybe they were inclined to give in the first place. but this reminds me of days we used to get a lot done in the united states congress. we actually work. we get bipartisan deals. bipartisan deals means compromise. >> i tell you, watching the senators speak, it is as if they discovered water, ecstatic to show look, oh my god, we can actually come together across the aisle. though it is always easy to come together when you want to spend money. reaching the deal is a big step for the president. the size, scope of framework, more limited than what democrats want, democratic leadership has all but guaranteed skiddish democrats that they won't agree to the deal with republicans unless they agree to do something via reconciliation. when that question was asked,

you kept hearing joe manchin nod. i assume that's the nod they want about reconciliation. here's what the democratic leadership says. >> the bipartisan infrastructure bill and budget resolution are tied together. if the senate is going to move forward with a bipartisan infrastructure bill, we must also move forward on a budget resolution as well. i have discussed this with president biden directly on several occasions, and he agrees, we can't do one without the other. all parties understand. we won't get enough votes to pass either unless we have enough votes to pass both. >> while a major movement for president biden and negotiators, still not the end of talks but at the cliché is put, the end of the beginning. bring in chief white house correspondent peter alexander.

also an adviser that's done a few deals, david plouffe. peter, i want to start with you. senator biden came with a smirk. he felt, you could see, he felt at home with that group of senators. whether this translates to a big moment long term, we'll see. he felt good about the deal. >> i think you're right. think for a moment when is the last time you saw democratic and republican senators together smiling and laughing as they were with the president of the united states before national tv cameras. that in itself a stunning moment, president biden led the parade of ten democratic and republican senators to the mikes. after the last four years, looks like we may have infrastructure week now. there are details we need to learn as relates to all of this. sounds like this is roughly $579

billion, shy of $600 billion, in new spending, not yet clear how they're going to pay for this. we were told in the course of comments earlier by rob portman from ohio there would be no new taxes. that had been a line for republicans. the white house insisted that perhaps irs tax enforcement of corporations and wealthy americans may be one way to go about paying for it. that's something we are waiting for. couple other details from the white house, the meeting, didn't take long for the president to put a stamp of approval on this bipartisan deal. it was 32 minutes that they met in the oval office. now we learn that president biden will deliver remarks likely in the next hour or so, scheduled to travel to north carolina today about the bipartisan deal. obviously there's a two-pronged approach. first half is the deal they agreed to here. the second half is this idea that would get at the human infrastructure, things that progressives say should have been in the first deal like child and elder care and

education. there was a striking moment president biden said to a reporter yep, there would be two deals. getting this one and work to attract all democrats on reconciliation. portman, republican, walked to the mikes after that, said he had a disagreement. leave it to folks on the hill to tell you how there are real challenges now among the progressives as relates to the announcement that the president made today. >> well done there, peter, with the transition. sahel, start there. president biden in remarks made it clear we are going to reconciliation. joe manchin made sure that he responded to the shouting question that yes, reconciliation is a two pronged approach. didn't seem as if royce were saying if you do the two pronged approach we're out, they've got this deal. is that enough, or do they need to know that joe manchin and kyrsten sinema are voting for everything in the reconciliation deal? is supporting the idea of

reconciliation enough to keep progressives happy? >> it is not. speaker pelosi made it clear, the idea of reconciliation won't be sufficient to get votes on a bipartisan deal. she made clear she wants the senate to pass a reconciliation bill, multi trillion economic package of human infrastructure. biden's plan to pass with all 50 votes anti breaking vote of the vice president, before the house considered the bipartisan deal. that's the hard bargain that the progressives are driving. they're not going to entertain the prospect of a bipartisan deal if it gets in the way of the bigger infrastructure piece, and they have speaker pelosi supporting efforts. reality check on this, very significant for a top legislative priority they agree on framework, this is still framework. we haven't seen legislative language or policy details. i spoke to senator chris murphy from connecticut, moment before it was announced, he said it is

closer to 20 votes in the senate. keep an eye how republicans respond and how mitch mcconnell responds to this. he is the key to getting ten republicans' vote. >> all right. i guess the question i have, so democrats are comfortable tanking president biden who says i'm for this deal. to me him going out with senators is an extra reminder, like hey, this is my bill now. my name is on this too. are they really interested in bucking him on this? >> they sure sound like it, chuck. it will be a complex thing for democratic leadership to navigate. everyone from elizabeth warren and bernie sanders to joe manchin and kyrsten sinema have different priorities. they want the infrastructure deal, want to say the two parties can work together. progressives don't care what vote margins are, whether

republicans are on board. they believe a multi trillion dollar economic spending package is paramount to pass, with or without republican support, and from all my reporting, chuck, appears they're willing to cast votes and scuttle the deal if they don't get a reconciliation package. that's why you heard speaker pelosi saying a bipartisan deal is going nowhere without reconciliation. >> let me bring in, thank you, let me bring in david plouffe who has been through his share of negotiations on capitol hill, trying to keep an eclectic group of democrats in line while wooing a handful of republicans. the significance with president biden putting his imprint on this, you heard the report that progressives are ready to flex some muscles. are they? is that good politics? >> chuck, thanks for bringing up painful memories of the

negotiations. well, those were i think such striking pictures, values maybe not normal but not like now. no. my guess is that there's a lot of details on the infrastructure bill and the infrastructure side done through reconciliation. my guess is there is more agreement behind closed doors and people understand it is largely choreographed. worst case scenario, can't get 50 on infrastructure, the infrastructure bill will pass. but i think you're heading for something where you get both of these passed and then all eyes turn to whether there's some filibuster on voting rights. that's what's in front of us. >> i want to ask about a headline that felt familiar today, something walter shapiro wrote and political wire put the headline, why are democrats

acting like the sky is falling. there's two ways to look at this. you can sit here, if you live on social media and perhaps really obsess over the news at night, you're looking maybe at the voting rights story, looking at things that trump's chaos is trying to create in the republican party, you think the country is coming apart. then you get on an airplane, look at 30,000 feet, you're like biden has 56% approval rating, looks like he is going to get an infrastructure deal. the economy is ready to go. covid couldn't be going better because of vaccination rates. what do you say to this. is this a case where the activist wing of the party is too focused on their own agenda and not quite seeing the big picture? >> perhaps. there are -- yeah, the economy is beginning to strengthen. you're going to have the

infrastructure package done, not just the human infrastructure. and revenue side is even more popular than spending. raiding taxes on companies and that's all popular. we are one of the shining successes in terms of covid. think where we were. donald trump had been reelected, we beat brazil and many of these countries. a lot of doom and gloom is voting. my big concern, it is abhorrent they're making it harder to vote. why. the bigger issue is in a lot of states, they want to change, turn from election officials and how long does democracy have. to me, that's more concerning. a grave concern. i think at the end of the day, how do you give somebody permission structure to do

something they were doing. foreman chin and sinema, they worked to get people on board, it was proposed. this isn't like the democrats want to do something. they're responding to what republicans are doing in the state and the big lie. i think that's more doom and gloom. there's more reason to be positive about the country and biden presidency. any democrat running for re-election will have a heck of a story to tell about leadership they provided at a time of great need. >> you bring up the administration issue. voting hurdles, that can be overcome, dark money, you can equalize it. crooked umpires? not much you can do about crooked umpires. neither hr 1 or s 1 respond to this. what is the federal solution to the crooked umpire problem? >> a lot of that in the courts,

a lot of lawsuits being filed, obviously dog. no question that getting ready of early votes, by the way, that hurts republicans, too. it is short sided. but the big issue here is the administration. and i think it is crazy to think say the election we had in 2020 happened with state law intact, republicans controlling the house. do you think they certify that election? if your answer is definitely, i think you're living on a different planet. i do not think the threat is at all exaggerated. that's where the legal strategy has to be incredibly aggressive. legislation doesn't address that. which again is not every state, but you have arkansas now, arizona, georgia, where they're trying to basically make the

election almost irrelevant. >> it is interesting to watch this white house, when the president goes out and speaks on topics, when he doesn't. feel like they try to preserve, unlike the last presidency where every issue, every bad pitch was one to swing at, they preserve how often they put out biden to speak. ron klain made the point, has done a lot of business behind the scenes, he is the most popular democrat. at some point he has to push on the issue. how would you say he should push on it. is there a specific angle that makes more sense than another? >> first of all, they have been quite disciplined in terms of how they utilize the president. i am sure he is driving a lot of the decisions. i think that's a point. behind the scenes work here will be far more important than public. i think what would be useful, however, is some basic education. most americans don't understand

the extent that changes are, discussions you have. people may say they're fighting over how long early vote is. does that raise the stakes here. can't say dmooks is at stake without saying why. there's an education component here, particularly on changing who decides these elections. my guess is that's an 80% issue. they'll think that's funny. most republicans -- that's what i think. >> crooked umpires, crooked refs, however you look at it, that's how maybe people understand. look, they're debating early voting. no, no, no. imagine a baseball game where you had crooked umpires. not bringing up joe gerardi. i can't wait for those two to keep facing off.

>> it is gamesmanship. david plouffe, good to hear from you. thanks for coming on. up next, more on this busy day in washington with a view from the right side of the aisle. senator mike brawn from indiana will be here. and following developments from surfside where the apartment building collapsed. the latest updates from the ground as we get them. st update ground as we get them. [sfx: fire truck siren] onstar, we see them. okay. mother and child in vehicle. mother is unable to exit the vehicle. injuries are unknown. thank you, onstar. ♪ my son, is he okay? your son's fine. thank you. there was something in the road... it's okay. you're safe now. ♪ ♪

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can do it. with me now, senator mike brawn of indiana, a republican from indiana. you came on, we want to talk about the climate proposal in a second, a bit about infrastructure, too, reminder there are all sorts of areas where infrastructure gets tackled by the senate. look, i believe your colleague in indiana is a part of the group. what do you think of the deal as you've seen it, no taxes, about 580 billion in new spending. thoughts? >> i come from crossroads of america, before i got here was a state legislator, we passed an infrastructure bill in 2017. clearly our roads and bridges and even when you expand infrastructure further now into rural broadband, water, that yo

tangible, i think it has a shot of getting through. it will beg the question, is

this a way to get our attention by separating things out, believe me, you'll have those on my side of the aisle may not be for the hard infrastructure part of it, if they think it is a gimmick, then get in two steps what we would have been against if it was in its entirety. i want to give it the benefit of the doubt. i am a fiscal hawk. as long as they're hard pay fors, we need the infrastructure investment. >> sounds like you want to get to yes, looking to get to yes, not looking to get to no on this deal. >> i think if you get down to some revenue proposals put out there, you're going to get >> you'll hear about part two before you get enamoured with one. they'll be connected. there may be enough republicans that like the pay for in this that might disregard that.

do you think that group of republicans wants to support the deal because they like the fact that sinema, manchin, and they're not the only two even in that group hesitant on getting rid of the filibuster. do you think keep our word, don't like the reconciliation process, will hate if they get rid of the filibuster. let's not tank sinema and manchin. >> another way to say get more republicans on board for that very reason there. then you break the dike into a lot of different policy bills that make you wonder if you do it on one, does it get into others. it is a lot of complication surrounding a real need. i think my take, too, is there's a moment like today for the american public to say looks like there's a possibility on

infrastructure. arguably second most important to defense. maybe we are getting there, like the climate bill we will talk about, another example. >> i heard bill cassidy, senator from louisiana, sometimes, i get it, you have to pick different words because of the way some words are politicized on the left or right side of the aisle. but is that sometimes the better way to sell some of these environmental ideas to rural americans? >> especially if you put common sense climate in front of it. something that in this case, this bill that got across, imagine 92-8 on a subject that was taboo. i have been a conservationist my whole life. never could figure out, not a big difference between the way you spell conservative.

we should be better at that. i am a believer as a republican we can be the party of no or i am not interested and have been that way on health care reform. i'm glad to see today might have something unique about the alignment of everything in the universe to get two bills, one across the senate floor, one maybe in the first stage of where it needs to go. i think the american public is looking for that, whether you're in a red or blue state. then address issues like how do you pay for this in the long run. gets a lot of us heartburn: >> it is fair. been here 30 years. deficit hawks only show up when that party is out of power. i am curious about your bill with senator stabenow. there are sometimes fights over water and all of this. how do you address that, huge

issue in california. i am sure you run into it in indiana. >> that's another issue of conservation and scarce resources. you look at what's happening generally, regardless what you attribute it to, they're not going to care in arizona, utah, california, if all the reservoirs dry up. it is difficult to tie to significant new stuff under the green new deal, then gets into the subject of how you pay for it, you lose progress i made on my side of the aisle. i was the first republican willing to form a climate caucus. it was to be in discussion. and republicans need to do it better. where it leads to and what it does to maybe mitigate what's happening, i'm going to take it for what it is today.

faith based groups, young republicans and conservatives that gave me support on the idea from the day i stuck my neck out. and a signal what we need to do on health care, climate. >> one place there hasn't been bipartisan agreement, figuring out what happened on january 6th, what was the motivation. you heard speaker pelosi is doing select committee in the house. that was not the preferred outcome for many people. why are you uncomfortable with a bipartisan commission that would have been equal dnr, equal resource as susan collins negotiated? >> i think when you go back to the day, time since then, we knew speaker pelosi would do

this anyway, regardless of what might have been done. knew this was the last resort. didn't surprise me when i heard that she's going to do it. >> she wouldn't have done it if you did the commission. >> i know. it is a circular argument there. i agree. all along, most of us are behind the fbi finishing their job, 450 arrests, and the biggest investigative body in this country can't put two and two together, doesn't glean information from that, that would surprise me. when you look at all of the other stuff we've done, committees, we were all here that day, it largely took on kind of a political aura. and that's where it lost republicans as time transpired. that's my sizing up of what

occurred. >> i understand that, but if you know you want a straight up investigation, is the politics that hard now? is that what happened? is it that hard on the right side of the aisle to be for an investigation? >> well, i think especially when you look at what that was going to extrapolate into that was a discussion between now and the 2022 midterms, leader mcconnell made that point. i would agree with him there. i am going to be relying mostly on what the fbi comes up with, pelosi will have her commission, we'll add it up, see what we glean. >> i hear you being concerned this would be dragged out. you have a former president that doesn't concede the election, still tries to claim there's something went wrong with the election. that doesn't help the politics of the situation at all. fair? >> well, i think that you'll

have that discourse along with discourse created through nancy pelosi's group, and i expect that just for political reasons, both will march forward between now and 2022. >> i do think as i can tell from the answer, there's a reason the senators enjoyed drinking the bipartisan water. it was like a hot august day and they found a water fountain. >> two concrete issues, infrastructure and common sense climate. >> how about police reform, is that going to happen? >> talked to tim scott earlier on the floor, he said they're close to putting some type of framework out there to put it in maybe an outline, general talking points. he indicated to me today they're still making incremental progress. he is the point person on our side. >> all right. maybe it will be before you go

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are going to show you is disturbing. you can see what looks like middle of the building collapsed. after a bright flash of light toward the top floors, and separate piece of structure collapses as well. authorities say the collapse included 55 units. search and rescue operations are still under way to look for any more survivors. one person confirmed dead so far, 35 people rescued. you heard unconfirmed reports of county commissioners saying they thought there were at least 51 people unaccounted for. that was a few hours ago. one would assume numbers are likely to change. joining me, vaughn hillyard from surfside. vaughn, there's a lot of things we don't know. in the last few minutes, are we seeing more successful rescues? that's the number one question. >> i think the biggest

development this afternoon is the fact the weather let up. rain stopped, thunder and lightning that put a pause on the rescue effort lit up. rescue teams not only in miami-dade and broward county are back on scene, actively going through the rubble here. you can see the part of the tower still standing here. this is a tower that's 136 units. you said it. part of the structure that collapsed contains 55 units. that's 40% of the champagne towers units were collapsed as part of the rubble. with the search and rescue teams, this will take days and potentially survival of these individuals could last into days, situations of earthquakes and hurricanes, the sierra leone team from miami-dade county were part of this in the past. outside of the miami-dade area here. individuals are able to survive in those sorts of conditions, able to get some level of oxygen

for a number of days. you'll see the search continue over the course of this afternoon and evening. >> that's for sure. again, are we getting any indication, we heard that structurely, they believe, this is the concern that the rest of the building will collapse, but they believe they secured the other half of the building, at least enough so the search and rescue missions can continue? >> we are 200 yards away. they turned off gas and water in the surrounding buildings, didn't know if it was a sinkhole or flashing lights. potential gas explosion. don't know the root cause. 100 yards from where we are standing is the atlantic ocean. that's why the search continues. miami-dade county commissioner that represents this area suggested that there's 51 potentially unaccounted for

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. welcome back. president biden is heading to north carolina where he'll speak about vaccinations. this comes as the administration is sounding the alarm of the delta variant. the surgeon general shared his concerns about the dangers of the variant earlier today. >> this spreads much more easily than the other versions of the virus and seeing the cases with increases and delta seems to be driving part of that so the variant is more than 20% of

cases here in the united states. that's risen rapidly so the key message here is get vaccinated quickly. >> joined by dr. paul offitt. all right. i have a ton for you but i want to be as viewer friendly as possible. on the vaccination front here, what are you seeing? how much of this hesitancy is impacting minors eligible between 12 and 17. the same places of adult hesitancy that the children of these hesitant adults are also not getting vaccinated? >> yes. i think it's both among adults choosing not to be vaccinated and parents not vaccinating the children. two things that stand in the way of getting on top of the pandemic. first are variants. seeing the third varpt why first

left china. swept europe and the united states. didn't have a greek letter designation and then alpha and now the delta variant. this is not the last varpt. these don't mark the only variants to see and the sec thick that works against the ability to get on top of the pandemic is the anti-vaccine sentiment. there's a solid 30% of the country just doesn't want to get vaccinated so what do you do then? i think you have to find a way to compel them if everything else doesn't work. >> the cdc advisory committee released some information linking the covid vaccine to a rare heart diagnosis in young people. i said covid can i think can also give you myocarditis. where are you more at risk for this?

from being exposed to covid or the vaccine? >> exactly right. so it looks like the incidents of transient self lived heart muscle irritation is about 1 in 50,000 people. if you get covid from a study done in the big ten conference doing heart exams on 1,500 athletes in the conference the rangers of having heart involvement is 1 in 45. similarly if you have this so-called multisystem inflammatory children in children 1 in 1,000 and the heart involvement is 3 in 4. roughly 70% so a choice not to get a vaccine is not a choice to avoid this but a choice to take a greater risk. >> i was going to say, look, putting out the warnings and they have to because it's a fact. put the facts out there and yet here's something that's likely

twisted by the anti-vax community. it must cause you a lot of consternation when you're dealing with these side effects. >> in a better world people would say, the cdc, the fda is really on top of this. not only determine uncommon side effects but the extremely rare side effects and trust the public to understand relative risk. you understand that a choice not to get a vaccine is not a risk free choice but a greater, more serious risk and now a matter of trying to explain that to people. >> speaking of risk, the issue and if you feel like this is out of your lane please say so but the johnson & johnson vaccine is not nearly as protective on this delta variant as moderna and pfizer. if you're somebody that got the j&j vaccine and see the

statistics and say, i wish i got the pfizer, do you wait for j&j to do a booster which we think will happen or is there risk in mixing the vaccines? >> so j&j has apparently completed a two-dose trial and will hopefully get the data soon. it look us like a single dose of vaccine though not as protective is probably pretty good against severe critical disease and could say what's the downside of a booster dose of an mrna vaccine? there is reasonable but there's not a data to look at that. i don't think it's unreasonable. >> getting a different vaccine, if they got the ms. on top of the j&j is there a personal health risk to that? >> no. i don't think so. it's that there are data generated in the uk and canada

looking at the j&j vaccine or astrazeneca and then mixing and matching by then giving them and some data on that but i don't think it's a health risk. >> you think it's a net positive if you did it? >> i think it's a like lynette positive. >> thank you for coming on. come on, parents, get the kids vaccinated. thank you. thank you all for being with us this hour. we'll be back tomorrow with more. msnbc's coverage continues with geoff bennett right after this break. nnett right after this break.

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it's good to be with you. i'm geoff bennet. we have breaking news coming on the air. we are expecting president biden to speak at any moment from the white house just a short time ago the president stood side by side with senate democrats and republicans announcing they've reached a deal on infrastructure and he's on board. major developments and a lot of questions. we'll have the remarks from the president and an interview with a senator that made that deal happen coming up in moments. also following breaking news from south florida fearing the worst and hoping for a miracle at the scene of a beachfront condo building north of miami. you can see it there. a huge part of that tower g