the scene, heavy machinery is on scene, more is coming to help lift up debris to try and get to people. anybody that might be still alive quicker. they're now tunnelling underneath this to try to find people and signs of life. that does it for us. stephanie ruhle picks up coverage right now. hi there. i am stephanie ruhle. it is friday, june 25th. we start with breaking news in south africa. new numbers we are just getting in, rescue teams are racing against the clock, frantically searching debris for survivors in the horrific partial collapse of a high-rise condominium. here's the latest we know. 159 people at this point are still unaccounted for. four are known to be dead after three bodies were recovered from

rubble. ten people are hurt. >> my son, that's the hardest part. he keeps asking me when is she coming home, he saw the footage this morning. >> pj rodriguez's mother and grandmother were in the tower that collapsed. >> unfortunately, it happened to other families, too. >> they were visiting from columbia. this couple whose daughter said they lived in the building for seven years. >> the front page of this morning's "miami herald" says it all, tragedy in surfside. this drawing surveillance video captures the moment of the collapse. it had 136 units, 55 in the northeast corridor that completely collapsed. i want to go to kerry sanders.

you have been there the last 25 hours. what's the latest on the rescue effort, what's the last day been like? >> reporter: the rescue effort, stephanie, continues. we know as you stated, they have been tunneling from underneath. it is going to shift from an underneath effort as well as from the top. they brought in large cranes overnight, taking up a good portion of collins avenue for anybody that understands how wide that road is. the cranes are on site. later today, they plan to deploy them in positions to begin pulling some concrete off the top. this is a challenging job. as they shift concrete, could cause portions of the remaining building that's standing to collapse as well as put in danger those down below. those who are down below are search and rescue teams working up through the parking garage, trying to tunnel into an area where initially the assistant

chief said it sounds like it could be somebody trying to communicate. now they shifted slightly saying it appears that is a sound but we can't say it is a tapping sound as if somebody is rhythmically trying to get information to the outside world. it may just be some of the debris field settling, a pipe dripping water. meantime, they identified the fact that they found three more bodies, bringing the death toll to four. they have not identified who the people are, shared whether it is men, women, or children. at this point, this is what they had to say about the process. >> we have four victims that lost their lives, homicide detectives are working with the medical examiner's office now to identify the victims and we have victim advocates, next of kin notifications will be made. >> reporter: this is very much still a search and rescue

effort. this is not simply recovery, although we see that with four dead and increasingly fewer indications that somebody may be still alive in there, the fear is with 159 people unaccounted for, this death toll may rise dramatically, stephanie. >> what more do we know about the people that are missing? >> reporter: you know, one thing that's very rare, this doesn't happen, buildings don't just collapse, it is rare that you could see the video of it collapsing. that gives forensic engineers an opportunity to see that and then eventually get to the site after they finished search and rescue and begin seeing what the puzzle pieces in the debris field may tell them of what caused this, why did this happen. these are observations. i am not an engineer. stephanie, the side that went on

this building built in 1981 faces the ocean. we do know in general buildings that face the ocean get hit by the salt spray, it is very common for buildings here to have to have their concrete restoration. this building just had a $15 million assessment for repair. the salt spray when it gets to concrete gets to the rebar, the steel, metal in there. only pointing out some things we know. i am not suggesting that's the reason this building collapsed but there were efforts to take a look at the building ahead of time because it required a 40 year certification by state law, and there were actually people on the roof the day before and had some equipment up there, whether it was enough heavy equipment to cause a building collapse is unclear, but those are types of pieces of the puzzle that forensic engineers look at trying to move forward. i will leave this one last note.

already at least one family filed a lawsuit against the developers, people that had the building and just about everybody else associated with the building in terms of maintenance and trying to take care of it. stephanie? >> it was already inspectors that were on the roof of the building the day before the collapse. do we know anything. >> yes. >> about what they were doing, have they produced a report? it wasn't just construction going on, it was inspectors before the collapse. >> reporter: that's right. inspectors. inspectors. this was part of the 40 year review mandated by state law. what we don't know is who the inspectors were, i don't have the names to ask was this day one of work, how far along were they. this was a process. those that live in the condo, that escaped and are well were not provided as would happen in a condo association an inspection report. absent having a completed

inspection report, i would conclude it was in process. i just don't know how far along in process it was. stephanie, it is also important to note that an engineering professor from florida international university had been looking at construction on the beach, had noted this particular building had been sinking. it was built on sand here, had been sinking millimeters, but it is a building goes back 40 years. millimeters add up to inches at some point. that's also part of what they'll be looking at, whether the weight of the building, again, what were items placed on the roof, was there added weight, was it beginning to settle, starting to lean like tower of piza, and something happened that caused that moment that we see in the video, the collapse. the structural collapse. >> kerry, 159 people still

unaccounted for. could i ask you for a moment about the rescue teams that are there, how complicated is this? they are going underwater, through the rubble. what kind of rescue is this? >> reporter: you know, stephanie, this is the most challenging like an earthquake to get to where there may be people. let me give you a little idea. first of all, they have dogs that can sniff, give hints. they're trained for human scent. alive or dead we don't know. and they have listening devices. they can hear someone breathing, don't have to be conscious. they have that. they have sonar that allows them to penetrate. they have infrared they haven't deployed and then just the experience of teams here that know, okay, if i move this piece of concrete, how will that effect everything around me.

use the analogy of jinga, you pull something out, it all has to stay in place. the teams are exhausted. miami-dade team that's been here from urban search and rescue, 130, working around the clock. not like 130 people are on site, you have to go with a few people at locations that are strategic. they have saws, underneath they cut some cement. now they're bringing in large cranes to pull things from the top, that may open up more. even bringing in support from the miami fire department, six other fire departments sending in their trained personnel. the good news is at an earthquake in haiti where the same team was deployed where i covered that earthquake there were a few survivors found six days after things collapsed. the difference of course is this

is a 12 story building, there are no 12 story buildings in haiti, they're small structures. everybody is hanging onto hope there will be a success. that there will be more people found and brought out alive. >> kerry, i want you to clear up something, especially given the amount of situations you've covered. we watched that press conference in the last hour and reporter after reporter were asking officials about sounds of life underground, rattling, ringing. help us understand what they're talking about, how it might not be sounds of life, there's a lot of metal under that, it could be things shifting. >> reporter: exactly. so the assistant chief from the miami-dade fire department told me there were sounds of tapping. he used the word tapping. indicated to him and specifically to teams down there, they should tunnel to

those locations, may be where somebody is communicating from inside to outside. that shifted from description of tapping to sounds. you have a building that collapsed. drip, drip, drip, to the microphone that listens, it may sound like tapping. even though electricity is cut, there are batteries, smoke alarms, all types of things. then there's shifting of debris that's down there. even a slight shift may sound like i heard a sound, maybe that's something we should go to, and it stops. they have to say we didn't see what happened but we heard what happened. is that something important to go after or to stand back. this is where you rely on their experience to determine where they need to go, whether they're going to a place that will perhaps successfully lead to somebody still alive. >> how dangerous is that shifting and sort of that jenga analogy you made, not just to

those trapped inside but to rescuers? >> reporter: absolutely. they're totally risking their lives. make no mistake. these are firefighters putting themselves on the line. this is not a job for someone with claustrophobia. they're making it to an area where they are uncertain the thing they move may trap or kill them. it is no small note to say what they're doing is hero's work. >> tell us what kind of firefighters are these, local miami-dade firefighters or have they brought in the s.e.a.l. team 6 equivalent of rescue squads? >> reporter: so miami-dade fire department, obviously a huge fire department, miami-dade county is the largest in terms of population, within that they have urban search and rescue.

this has been going on for decades. they not only have expertise but have the equipment and training that they keep current. but the point is, they're exhausted. they have been running through the operation for 31 plus hours, so they have now defaulted to bring in assistance from the miami fire department, the city of miami versus the county of miami-dade to begin assisting them, and as we heard from the state emergency management coordinator, other fire departments in the state are going to be lending their firefighters who also have unique training and expertise, which all suggests as we are 31 hours into this. this is going to go on awhile. everybody tuning in may say gosh, i hope we have answers now. it doesn't happen that way in a situation like this. it takes days and a lot of days to get to the point where they'll say we have done search

and rescue, now we move to recovery. search and rescue is the most important. there are so many families, steph, so many friends saying maybe the person they find next, maybe the person they find alive is my loved one. i am not giving up hope and there's a lot of prayers. >> kerry, stay with us. i want you to conduct this interview with me, i want to bring in the miami-dade mayor. mayor, you're with me, stephanie ruhle and my colleague, kerry sanders in florida with you. what a 24 hours. thank you for all you're doing and your rescue teams. you've all been working around the clock. are there any updated numbers you can give us right now? there are so many friends, family members, people home praying, watching. >> so tragically last night, stephanie, three bodies have been identified in the rubble. it brings our count to four.

this is obviously tragic news. we are working feverishly to search and recover and we are hoping and praying we have more people alive we can find and that is motivating first responders and fire rescue, they're feverishly working throughout the night with the dogs, sonar, cameras, everything possible to bring loved ones safely out of the rubble. we have this well identified -- yes, we identified 159 still unaccounted for. that number is growing. it could be people not on site but based on anybody's identification of possibly being on site, we are up to 159. but we have 120 that have been accounted for, so that's good news for families and loved ones. >> for the friends and family of

the 159, what do you want them to know now, they're watching. >> we are working to find these people. please stay in touch with us. we have the line 305-416-1819. some of those might be on site, need to know they're safe, please update us with all the information or if there's anyone you learn might have been in the building. we need to know about that as well. >> reporter: i was just at your news conference. because you announced there's a death toll of four and that those bodies, identities have not been made at this point, i believe the victims have been taken to the medical examiner's office. for those among the families and friends that gathered and are standing in hot sun in the

fields wanting to know how am i going to be notified, how am i going to know if it is my loved one found, i want to put into the complexion of the question, many people here were not necessarily residents. we had folks visiting from israel, paraguay, from argentina, from venezuela. when they're taken out, they were asleep. don't have wallets with them or passports or identification with them. how difficult is it going to be to go through the identification process to notify families that are waiting for word of anything? >> yes. my heart, all of us are with the families every moment, we are with them. we have dna identification for family members waiting. they all offered their dna for matching, there are photographers, and as soon as a person is identified through the victim advocates and through the

medical examiner's office, the first to be notified will be next of kin. >> mayor, it has been over 24 hours since the initial collapse. when was the last time someone was taken out of the building alive. >> that was yesterday morning. >> yesterday morning? >> correct. but we are working still on search and rescue. our firefighters, our entire team has hope that there are people alive in the rubble. >> why, are there signs of life? >> we are hearing tapping. we are hearing consistent tapping and also there are crevasses that could allow us to break through. they're working feverishly with light equipment, heavy equipment from on top to move things aside and continue the search.

>> all right. mayor, thank you so much. >> reporter: could i ask a question? >> yes, please, kerry. >> reporter: i wanted to ask the mayor. mayor, many family members are saying because they can't do anything else, they have been continually calling the cell phones of loved ones and i know some of the initial response at the scene, rescue teams and firefighters heard the rings of a few cell phones in there. now at this 31 plus hour point, have those cell phone rings ceased, have batteries in phones that were working stopped? are they still hearing people ringing into the debris field on cell phones? >> there are no reports of cell phones ringing on site. there's the tapping sound, that's what the fire rescue team reported. >> all right.

mayor, thank you so much. kerry sanders, thank you as well. we'll check back in in south florida in a few moments. also breaking this morning, speaker nancy pelosi announced she will form a select committee to investigate the january 6th insurrection. joining me to discuss, illinois republican congressman adam kinzinger. thank you for your patience. obviously a lot of breaking news this morning. you were one of ten house republicans who boldly voted to impeach president trump. you went out on a limb. would you join this committee? >> i don't know how it will be set up, i don't know if the minority leader gets to pick, i think it has to be a fair investigation. it cannot start with end goal in mind. we just need answers. we need answers for what led to january 6th, who was communicating with who, all the stuff that is prone to conspiracies, because we simply don't have the answer to or have proof of that, needs to get

found out. something has to be done. >> but no matter what speaker nancy pelosi does, the fact that so many of your colleagues were unwilling to agree to something on a bipartisan basis, do you believe the republican party and its base are going to believe anything that comes out of this, no matter what nancy pelosi does? >> i don't know. you know, i have been through this the last six months where there's been real facts presented and some people put their head in the sand and pretend they're false facts, which is no such thing. all we can do is tell the truth and get to answers. all we can do is have proof of stuff. that will help the arc of history judge this accurately. even some people today refuse to acknowledge the truth. that's why i think it is important when we voted on a commission for january 6th, even though that didn't get through the senate, and you know, if that doesn't work, if the senate

doesn't come around, a select committee is the best way to go. should be seen as and should be fair. i think the answers that come out of a fair committee still will point to the fact it was donald trump responsible for january 6th. >> he said there's nothing more unamerican than one person choosing the president. he said he was proud to certify the election which drove many of those people into the capitol that day and calling for his hanging. how important is it that pence said something like this, why do you think he didn't do it sooner? >> i don't know why he didn't do it sooner. look, number one, number two, number three line of succession to the presidency were all within striking distance of a mob that made it clear they wanted to kill them. they killed a police officer, i don't think they would hesitate to kill a politician.

i wish he had spoken out earlier. it is important to be saying this now. for the vice president, what he should do is stop trying to walk the line between somewhat supportive, somewhat not, and be very clear. tell the truth. mike pence claims that he likes to tell the truth. tell the truth to the people. let them make a decision. i think my base and people that have been abused and mislead by folks like donald trump will wake up and see. >> you know capitol police officer michael fernone. he described what he went through with andrea mitchell. >> i was severely beaten and electrocuted numerous times with a taser at the base of my skull. the injuries i sustained were traumatic brain injury and suffering a heart attack and i do grapple with ptsd result of

that day. >> that man is not a politician. that man there is the definition of a patriot. republicans called themselves the party of patriots, party of law and order. congressman kevin mccarthy is going to meet with him, but the officer has already said mccarthy staff has been really difficult with him, haven't treated him very well. what in the world is going on here. i know it wasn't your office but can you explain this to me? >> yeah. look, i have been asking the leader to meet with him a long time. it is going to be an uncomfortable meeting. >> what does he say? >> well, i mean, kevin and i haven't talked in months. it is more having to be through twitter. he is focused trying to win over the trump side of things. look, i nop him well. >> hold on. what planet. another elected officials.

you're not able to communicate with your leader only via twitter? can you imagine if that was a place of business? >> i can't imagine if this was a place of business. >> can you imagine if you worked in private industry and were only allowed to talk to your manager via a tweet? you would get fired. he would get fired. >> it is very dysfunctional at the moment. totally. important to say, too, i tell you, michael will not -- he will tell kevin mccarthy what happened. he will be very clear about it. look, here's the other thing i know. for police officer and military, it is tough to stand in front of people and say you suffer with ptsd, tough to admit that you have to bring up your kid's life to beg for your life to survive. michael was tortured. if we don't take responsibility for what happened six months ago

because we are concerned with winning an election in a year and a half, i don't know what that says about us as a party. we have to tell the truth, take accountability for what happened and then we can move on. until then, we pretend this was ten years ago, people are still denying it. it is impossible to move on until we take full accountability. >> no offense, but what does that say about republican voters that they want you to do that? >> i think what it says is that the people that they trust to lead them have been silent, with the exception of a few of us. then it is easy to demonize a few of us. we're the aberration of the party. and everybody is quiet or denies the truth. i think it means base voters have been abused. literally every american is born with noble patriotism. there was a group that spins the patriotism. donald trump abused that

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in a matter of hours, a minneapolis judge will sentence derek chauvin for the murder of george floyd. comes more than two months after a jury found him guilty of second degree murder, third degree murder, second degree manslaughter. shaquille brewster is in minneapolis, and also with us charles coleman, and former prosecutor, paul butler, all msnbc analysts. you spent a lot of time in minneapolis, you're outside the courthouse. what's it like. what's the mood. what does chauvin face today? >> reporter: there's definitely anticipation, large media presence. nothing like what we saw during the trial. you can tell by lack of military

vehicles and barbed wire. derek chauvin faces 40 years in prison. legal experts say you can ignore the number. sentencing guidelines puts that at a lower number, between ten and a half to 15 years because this is derek chauvin's first offense. the prosecution is asking for 30 years in prison. the defense asking for probation and time served. judge cahill cleared the way for a sentence that could be higher than sentencing guidelines, with four aggravating factors involved in murder, including the fact there were children involved, present and witnessing the murder as it was taking place. when you look at the sentencing memo, why derek chauvin and his attorney are asking for a low sentence, they cite his age, that he is 45 years old, the fact that he faces threats in prison. they say he is a product of a broken system.

something that they put, one of the reasons why they are asking the judge for a slighter or lower sentence. expect things to start at 2:30 eastern time. members of the family will speak with impact victim statements, we will hear from prosecution and derek chauvin may decide to speak. you can expect him not to speak because of federal charges he is facing later on. stephanie? >> charles, it was the system, it wasn't me. he could speak, though he didn't speak in his own defense during the trial. maybe the sentence won't be as egregious as we thought because it was his first murder. explain what he is up against in terms of minnesota law. >> like shaq said, he has up to 40 years this crime is punishable for. because of the sentencing guidelines, it is unlikely that's what he would be facing.

the way it works is that judges have certain amount of discretion upon which they can apply, factors they will consider when determining a sentence for a defendant that's been convicted. in this case, the fact this is his first crime that he has been convicted of is not going to, for example, get him as much time as it would if he had been someone with a lengthy record and criminal activity and multiple contacts with the criminal justice system. however, the factors that shaquille already mentioned will come into play, which is why prosecutors have been arguing them for weeks. the fact there were minors present, a minor as old as 17, young as one case as nine. the way this occurred on camera, in a cold and cruel way. all these things were things the judge talked about in terms of why he was likely to go beyond the sentencing guidelines, even though it was his first conviction. what we can expect to see in my

estimation is something between 20 and 25 years handed down by judge kay hell in this case. >> so the request by the defense to ask for probation, you think there's no planet we are living on that could actually happen? >> i don't see that as likely. i don't see that as being even remotely possible. i would not get excited about that. however, i think it is important thing to put in context, in terms of the conviction and in terms of amount of time he will get, even if derek chauvin is given 20 years or 25 years in jail for this crime, he is serving less than half the average time that a civilian incarcerated for the same offense is serving across the country. i think that's important context to understand, in the larger conversation around police violence in america. seldom do we have cases where police are convicted of murder

at a nonfederal level. even when they are convicted, they receive significantly less time than civilians convicted of similar crimes. i want to point that out to viewers so there's proper context attached to whatever the sentence is. it will still be markedly less than someone as a civilian would receive in the same instance. >> why? why would a civilian get a worse sentence. one would think that a law enforcement officer would be held to a higher standard. i read your op-ed, you think he is getting 18 years. >> 18 years is a long time in prison. chauvin committed an atrocious crime, deserves severe punishment. stephanie, you and i have talked a lot about policing but we talked about mass incarceration. how the u.s. locks up more people than any other country, disproportionately people of

color. racial justice means police must be held accountable but also means sentencing should be based on reason, not emotion. even in cases like this. under the sentencing guidelines, chauvin is looking at 10 to 15 years, because f aggravating factors, a judge can sentence them double that, up to 30. chauvin shouldn't be treated to a different standard or held above the law but has the same right to rational sentence that any other convicted person does. >> i remember after the verdict there was talk of motion for retrial. does that change the calculus of today's sentencing? where does all of that stand? >> chauvin claims jurors were biased, the case so high profile, they felt compelled to convict him. the judge will proceed today as if chauvin will lose that

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more on breaking news in surfside, south florida. officials giving new numbers on the deadly partial collapse of the high-rise condominium. at least four people are dead, 159 still unaccounted for.

rescue teams continue a desperate search for survivors. let's go live to sam brock on scene over 30 hours. sam, what are officials telling you about the rescue effort at this point? >> reporter: good morning. 30 hours exactly is how long the search and rescue efforts have been going on, miami-dade fire rescue tweeting out they're continuing with every resource at their disposal. foot on the gas pedal. it is happening as weather has thrown a wrench into all of this. it was so windy a second ago, the tent above us almost ripped off. it has been raining downpours. you look over my shoulder, the excavator is ripping chunks of the building out and balconies, why is not clear. this is dangerous conditions. there are a lot of rescue operatives trying to find signs of life. they're taking stuff on the building. maybe there's no one in the immediate vicinity, they're concerned the debris could hurt

someone, trying to preempt the process. this is happening after the press conference. that occurred about an hour ago, heard from the mayor about whether or not she's continuing. tom llamas asked was there hope, do you believe we'll be finding people alive at this stage. she said we will always continue. there is hope at this point. another anecdote, i saw several people, a couple middle aged walking the street, crying, consoling each other. the fatality count is officially four. number of unaccounted for now jumped to 159. 50% increase from where we were at this time yesterday. obviously things are fluid, but it is deeply concerning. steph? >> 159 families still watching and praying. sam, stay close. we'll have more questions.

let's turn to washington, d.c. president biden says there's a deal on infrastructure. he made the announcement with a group of bipartisan senators at the white house yesterday, but there's a big catch. the deal is only half what he wants. the bipartisan bill only has physical infrastructure like transportation and water and he wants a separate bill which includes social spending from his families plan. that requires a process known as reconciliation, that's what they would use to get around republicans blocking it. unless president biden gets both, he is saying he is not on board. >> if they don't come, i am not signing it. real simple. if only one comes to me, i'm not signing it. it is in tandem. >> so what does this mean. is biden's message hey, progressives, we'll sign onto a partial bill with republicans, but hang tight, i'm getting to

you guys next. >> reporter: that's exactly his message. president biden is hemmed in by a dynamic where progressive democrats won't stomach a bipartisan deal on infrastructure unless it is clear they can get the other multi trillion dollar package, which includes climate change, child care, paid leave. that's the priority. surface transportation is something everyone agrees on. everyone wants to rebuild them. what progressives are worried about is signing onto a bipartisan deal could potentially cost moderate votes for the reconciliation package. to that end, apooef to have hit an unspoken path with democrats, including joe manchin who is open to reconciliation. called it inevitable. blamed republicans. i spoke to kyrsten sinema. she says she has spoken to the president and chuck schumer and hopes to find a path forward on reconciliation.

stars are aligned among democrats. if they start to peel away on this, that would be a problem. >> let's get the word from the white house, bring in jared bernstein, a member of the council of economic advisers. jared, you have no room for error in congress. they're leaving today for recess. how are you going to get this through, when can we expect a vote. >> a fair question. i will definitely try to answer it. let us not skip over the historic moment that happened about 50 feet from where i stand yesterday, when you saw members of both parties coming together, under a president who promised to work, to reach across the aisle, get the political system working together on behalf of the american people. that was a critically important achievement, as you correctly point out, the road ahead remains one that is filled with all kinds of politics. and this president has shown he

is capable of navigating the choppy channels. >> hold on. it was a critically important photo opportunity. no policy has changed and the president did go out there and basically say mission accomplished. he was with republicans and democrats. but i didn't see elizabeth warren or bernie sanders. are they on board, you need every vote. >> yeah, no, there's no question that those kind of political match nations are lurking in the background. i would never call what happened yesterday a photo op. i would call it a result of detailed negotiations where both sides came to the table on behalf of the american people. there were compromises, of course. that's how politics works. what the president said yesterday is it is time to stop spending time competing with each other, start competing with international trading partners

like china and make sure we get the kind of global edge we need by making deep investments which yield good jobs for the american middle class. both sides working together towards that, that's not a photo op, that's democracy in action. yes, there's more work to do. this president has shown he has skill and capacity to get there. >> fair point. does that mean elizabeth warren and bernie sanders are voting yes? >> i am not here to tell you how that's playing out. i did read in the newspaper -- >> you're representing the white house on getting a bill passed, you're not here to talk about economic policy, you're here to talk about is this infrastructure bill getting passed. this is democracy working, let's talk about democracy working. do you have the votes? >> look, i think what you saw yesterday is democracy working, whether we have the votes or not, nobody knows the answer. certainly this president has shown he has i think the skill to reach across the aisle, get

things done in a way we haven't seen in this town far too long. before we get too wound up in washington politics, think about what the american people support. american people clearly support this kind of investment in infrastructure and about what the american people support. the american people clearly support this kind of investment in infrastructure and it has been far too hard for washington politics to get to the simple place of delivering good jobs, investments in roads, in bridges, in infrastructure and clean energy and electric vehicles, all of which is in this plan. by the way, in the plan that we're talking about of reconciliation, that has a whole other set of critically important things to the president that he said yesterday he will continue to fight for and yes, progressives are right there with him. preschool, elder care, child care, education, housing, all remain important for the president and he will continue to fight for them but politics is the art of the possible, the art of the compromise and what we saw yesterday was absolutely not a photo-op, it was democracy

in action. >> all right then. i want to talk about a great way to pay for this, which doesn't require increase in taxes is addressing this tax gap. money that's actually owed to our government that doesn't get paid. it's more than $400 billion a year. both parties want this. every american except those not paying their own taxes want it. why not make that front and center? why not make that part of infrastructure? what a great way to pay for this thing, get americans to pay what they owe. >> i couldn't agree with you more and i appreciate your opportunity, steph, for allowing me to make that front-runner and center. it should be front and center and i want to be clear that was part of the bipartisan framework, one of the most pay fors they took shands on. tax compliance, the irs has the resources it needs to go after those who evade their taxes and guess what? president biden blind in the sand no, tax increases on anyone

below 400,000 that holds here as well. we know for a fact that the income that goes unreported is the more complex, underreported business income that accrues to the top of the scale. so given the irs the research to go off the tax evaders is something both parties should agree on and thanks to the president and something both parties did agree on. >> put more plainly really rich people who can afford tax lawyers don't pay enough taxes in many, many cases and it's time to go after them. jared thank you for joining me. we'll leave it there. in a few hours president biden will deliver remarks on pride month, as he signs a bill making the pulse nightclub a national memorial. in new york city a reopening milestone, sunday's pride parade and this morning an update on the growing controversy we told you about yesterday, organizers deciding to ban uniformed police officers from participating in the parade. right here on this show i spoke to the president of new york's gay officers action league, a

group that has been banned from marching in uniform. >> the decision we feel is hurtful, it's asking us to shed a layer that we voluntarily chose to put on to come into a system to affect change, to be the change. every movement we've ever had in this country has always had people working on the inside, and that's what we do at the gay officer action league so it is a little sad and disappointing for our folks. >> joining us now, andre thomas, co-chair of the nyc pride the group organizing the parade. what is your reaction to detective downey? and thank you for joining me. >> thanks for having me this morning. it's easy for him to talk about shedding that, not having to shed that layer because as a person of color, i can't shed my black skin, but he can't even

wear his uniform on your show yesterday if he wants to identify himself as an lgbt police officer if he can't even do that, it shows he's not really still acknowledging the pain and the hurt and the trauma that the police have caused to members of the black community, the brown community and it's easy for them to take the uniform off to wear a simple color that identifies himself as nypd but to take off the uniform in many ways is a symbol of oppression, a symbol of violence and a symbol of fear. >> crime is on the rise. you need the police to help more than ever, given the heightened tensions. if something bad happens, if you're in crisis, if you call 911, you want the police to come to you. do you need them not to be wearing uniforms? i'm just so confused by this. >> sure. we've been working with the nypd

already in tandem for security for safety at our events. what we're talking about is visibility, not having a militarized look to the police, giving them more of a buffer zone between us and our attendees. we know that lgbtqi+ people are six time more likely to have negative interactions with the police. it was legal just three months ago in the state to have police be able to harass people who were trans just for the clothes they're wearing. so safety and security are still important. we can do that in a way that doesn't make for a black or brown or trans members of the community to feel uncomfortable. >> president biden will be speaking on pride today, as this month comes to a close. what is your message? >> our message is the same message that he is, inclusion is important, that acceptance of the lgbt community is still a

high priority. when you have a state like florida passing anti trans bills on the first day of pride, there is a the lo of work that needs to be done. we know our community is still under attack. support on the federal level is important. we need to go down to the state level and local level to ensure the laws aren't getting passed that continue to target our community. >> andre, thank you so much for joining me this morning. i appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you so much. that wraps up this very busy hour. i'm stephanie ruehl. thank you for watching. hallie jackson picks up breaking news coverage on the other side of the break, watching out for decisions from the supreme court, expected any minute. you avoid an overdraft fee. it's one way we're making a difference. low cash mode on virtual wallet from pnc bank.

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