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it might seem like a long time but you can take any day of the week or the year and find a moment in civil rights history like this. it is so recent. it still goes on. america has got a lot to do. >> i will say in rounding it out, and we went long. i appreciate you guys being concise. michael makes such great points here. the living history and what we need to learn from. we can all see why michael is a historian. he has every detail when he comes in to any segment. just don't tell him havoc spent too much time in brooklyn. >> i am doing my best. >> thank you to havoc and michael. that is the beat. the reid out is right now. >> don't start with brooklyn. don't even try it. have a great weekend. thank you.
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cheers. all right. cheers everyone. good evening. tgif to all of you. okay. buckle up. we have got a lot to get to. nbc news is reporting tonight that donald trump's business, the trump organization is expected to face criminal charges as soon as next week. what will it mean for the disgraced former president and his family? the department of justice announced it is suing the state of georgia over the recently passed anti-voter law. the d.o.j. says that the bill which was signed into law under the painting of a slave plantation discriminates against non-white voters. we begin with a conclusion of a case that transfixed the nation and reignited the movement for racial justice. derek chauvin has been sentenced to 22 1/2 years in prison for the murder of george floyd, seven and a half years shy of what prosecutes asked for but
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far more significant than what the defense requested, probation. here are two of george floyd's brothers along with his 7-year-old daughter in a video played by prosecutors. >> for me and my family, we seek the maximum penalty. we don't want to see no more slaps on the wrist. we have been through that already. >> my family and i, most of all my niece my niece, she needs closure. i am asking that you please give officer chauvin the maximum sentence possible and charge he has been found guilty for. >> if you could say anything to your daddy would it be?
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>> i miss him and i love him. >> we heard from chauvin himself in a brief and cryptic statement suggesting more is to come. >> give my condolences to the floyd family. there is going to be some other information in the future that would be of interest. i hope things will give you some peace of mind. >> the saga is far from over for the three other officers on the scene with chauvin who are charged with aiding and abetting second degree murder and manslaughter. i have to starts here, i heard the victim impact statement and the other family members and your brother. i want to give you an opportunity to react to the verdict and also to the
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statement. >> the verdict, basically i wanted the maximum sentence. but i am grateful for what we received. we usually don't even get that type of accountability at all, african-americans, we don't get that. so many different people around the world are grateful for this and the world feels like they can breathe now. gianna, she will have that closure and understand that her daddy did change the world. >> yeah. >> george's life mattered. all lives matter. >> you know, the president of the united states reacted to this and said he does not know the circumstances. let me play jacob blake sr. he had one of the most powerful
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reactions to the verdict. let's take a listen. >> i don't think that people understand the pain of the families that they go through. we never get justice, man. we never get justice, man. we do everything we are supposed to and can't find justice. why does it allude us, man? >> that kind of reflects what your brother, rodney said. he really seemed disappointed derek chauvin did not get the maximum 30 years. every time i spoke with you that
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you have been on here with my good brother, you say we are going to win this and get a conviction. i really doubted it but you never did. in the end do you feel more like mr. blake and rodney? >> probably like mr. blake and mr. rodney. he should have gotten the maximum. my brother, he is dead. i will never get to see him again. we will always have empty seats at the house. we loved him. just like when mrs. chauvin, his mom stepped up and spoke for him. she loves him. but the facts still there. the video shows the knee on my
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brother's neck. consequences, they vary. but for us just to get some time, even though it was a slap on the wrist, we have to appreciate it because we didn't have to get anything. >> yeah. let me go to you my friend. we have been a long ways coming. you win and lose some. you have won really important cases for families brutalized by police and lost loved ones. but this is a big deal for this conviction to happen given what you and i know about how hard it is to convict a police officer. what do you think that it means in the bigger picture for this officer to spend at least 15 years and up to 22 years in prison? >> a couple of things. i am going to make him feel more optimistic. today represents an opportunity
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for america to have a turning point. this is the longest conviction of a police officer in the history of the state of minnesota, the first time a white police officer has been sentenced to prison for killing a black person in the state of minnesota. and we know the federal charges are still pending. so, he may very well get the maximum accountability he spoke up because justice would be him having his brother and our journey to justice will end when black men and women and people of color do not have to fear being killed by the police because of the color of their skin. >> yeah. reverend al sharpton made a point about the law that is named for your brother and where it goes from here.
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>> when we talk about the george floyd justice and policing act, we know the difference between two slices of bread and a sandwich. a sandwich has meat between the two slices of bread. don't come down with a compromise with two slices of bread and no meat in the middle. do not put george floyd's name, a strong man on a weak bill. >> rev knows how to put it. what has to be in the bill for the family to feel that it worthy of george floyd's name and legacy? >> everything. so many people have their flood on that bill. i was speaking to mrs. carter today. and it is really a horrific time
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in this world now for the things that we see that are going on. i don't want to see a watered down bill. i want people to feel comfortable going outside. we don't have to worry about no-knock warrants, chokeholds, police officers not having their body cams on. the qualified immune. >> lastly, you are sitting next to the right man. that man right there is a warrior. the attorney general of black america. the last word to you. how confident are you that the george floyd bill will pass? >> you know, i spoke with
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senator scott and booker and they all say that the framework is there, you just have to deal with the details. they really educated me on how we are going to make the bill pass. >> i appreciate both of you. thank you for making the time and being here. it means a lot you were here tonight. and my brother, i love you. appreciate you, man. always appreciate it. and i feel like i know you how. thank you very much. thank you, brothers. let me bring in paul butler, professor at georgetown university law center. i rarely get to talk to you in a case where there is actually something like yesterday in the case of a plan man or woman killed by police. i saw your piece. you thought 18 years.
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how surprised were you? >> the judge did not throw the book at derek chauvin, but joy, he came close. he couldn't go over 30 years without being reversed on appeal. this is one of the toughest sentences any police officer has received for killing a black person. the judge said he wasn't trying to send a message. but this verdict and sentence will impact police officers telling them that if they abuse their badge like derek chauvin, they could face extremely serious consequences. >> what do you think that it means for the other three officers that have to go to trial? >> i think it means they should be thinking about making a deal so that they do not get the kind of time that derek chauvin got. they are eligible for the time as well. and in some ways, joy, their conviction if it happens could be even more important because what these officers should have
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done was to enforce the law against their colleague when he was committing murder but instead they just stood and watched. that is often what police officers do. that is the blue wall of silence. the thin blue line. that has to be dealt with in order for police officers to be held accountable. >> what do you think the short, cryptic, weird comment. was that about the federal trial? it would have seemed better to seem human but he decided not to. is that about the federal charges do you think? >> it is hard to know and i would not mind if we never hear another word from derek chauvin. who knows. the reality is that this is a case where one police officer is prosecuted and when chauvin completes his incarceration and
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parole, the country will be a different place. people of color will be the majority of the population. let's hope u.s. cops are still not killing 1,000 people every year as they have since they have every year since we have reliable statistics. whether chauvin gets 22 or 42 years will not change that. the focus has to be on systemic change like the george floyd act. if we do not see this type of transformation in policing george floyd's death would have been in vain. >> not just george floyd. i am thinking a lot of glenn carr. she had to feel a lot in her heart today. thank you very much paul butler. up next on the reid out. donald trump's business empire is on the verge of being declared a criminal enterprise. the manhattan d.a. could
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announce criminal charges in days and the d.o.j. drops the hammer on georgia's voter suppression law. >> recent changes were enacted with the purpose of denying or abridging the right of black georgiians to vote on the count of race or color. >> and the great george takei joins me on pride month and a ceremony to designate the pulse nightclub a national memorial. join me, the reid out continues. . that's why we recommend salonpas. it's good medicine. with relapsing forms of ms... there's a lot to deal with. not just unpredictable relapses. all these other things too. it can all add up. kesimpta is a once-monthly at-home injection... that may help you put these rms challenges in their place. kesimpta was proven superior at reducing the rate of relapses, active lesions,
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as if there was not enough news this friday night, we are bracing for more to come. that is because the trump organization is expected to face criminal charges from manhattan district attorney as early as next week according to multiple people familiar with the matter, including the company's lawyer. looks like they are going to come down with charges against
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the company and he says that is completely outrageous and met with vance's office on thursday trying to persuade them not to go forward but i guess it did not work out too well for them. following the news from the "new york times" that allen weisselberg could be charged individually as well. prosecutors have long been investigating weisselberg with an eye towards flipping him against his boss and scrutinizing the tax implications of the perks his family received from the company like free tuition and rent. however there could be more. we know prosecutors are investigating whether trump's company inflated or deflated the value of assets chkd be fraud. joining me is a federal prosecutor and former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. ladies first, cynthia, the part about the company getting prosecuted and maybe weisselberg being prosecuted separately. does that feel to you like they
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are having trouble flipping him? >> they are definitely having trouble flipping him. i think that when i was in the brooklyn's d.a. office we had a term for it. it is a blank on the bar contest. they have been telling him for a long time you have to flip. he has been telling him he is not going to and they are going to indict him. this is real pressure to get him to flip. we didn't do that. weisselberg did all of that. that is what is coming down the pipe. now, if they give him up that would inspire him to flip. we will see. there is a dance going on now about the way that any indictments, if they come, and how all of the parties react to them.
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>> very good point. can you plain what it means for a company to be indicted versus an individual person? >> company is indicted. the company is not go to jail. the individuals involved have individual responsibility. i think what is going on and cynthia has got it right. they are squeezing and squeezing and we are seeing the end game of squeezing. this is letting weisselberg and the other people in the organization. letting them know the boat is about to leave the port. if you want to be on the boat, this is the time to do it. there are a lot of final discussions between the folks and their lawyers saying here is your risk and exposure. do you want to hang tight and be loyal or is this the time to cooperate. their leverage is about to drop once the indictments come. >> to your point, the trump lawyer said they couldn't get
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allen weisselberg to cooperate and tell them what they wanted to hear and that is why they are going forward with the charges. abc news reported the manhattan district attorney brought the comptroller in to testify. a sign prosecutors burrowed deep into the company' finances. does that mean they find the company does something wrong. are they go to fine it out of existence or is it an llc. wouldn't that mean a human being has to be indicted besides weisselberg? >> yeah. here is the important thing to know, indictments can come next week and ten more the week after and can supercede. the fact they do this does not mean it is completely over. my guess is that this is a starting point and it is to get
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everybody's attention and flip weisselberg and there will be more coming down the road. it is important what you say about the controller -- jury and having it kind of be a way to just get information. in state court if you testify in front of the grand jury, you get immunity. the controller who testified has immunity whether he likes it or not and that really creates another interesting situation. this creates so many complexity s what testifies? who takes the fifth? who asks for a deal? who finds out trump is not loyal to them and who finds out he is. this is going to take a while to shake out. >> the fact is that this is the end of cy vance's term. i am curious to see how that
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plays out. i want to point out a couple of other things. donald trump's former bodyguard matthew calamari. he is being scrutinized. here is what michael cohen said to jimmy kimmel last night about him and about weisselberg. >> they don't need weisselberg or calamari. one of them will flip. when you get calamari, you don't need weisselberg. but they don't need either of them because they have the documents to prove the illegalities done by trump. >> is that accurate? >> i don't think so. they have got the documents to prove certain things, but the documents are unlikely to trace it all the way to trump. that is why they are squeezing these guys so hard. for years there is a structure
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in his organization so nothing seems to lead to his desk. obviously if he was the boss, he was involved. they need testimony. that is why they are leaning on the guys hard. >> there is a whole primary that just happened to replace him. what happens as the administration of that office turns over? is it seamless? does it just go on or does it speed up the process of getting it done because cy vance is on his way out? >> a lot of people speculate it speeds up the process of decision making. he is trying to get it done for so long. about you it is seamless. these are professional people in a professional office and i also agree, you can't do the case without weisselberg. for those that have nothing else to do at night, if they watch an old apprentice show with
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calamari, he is not the brains of the organization. >> somebody was the brains. >> i think that is right. >> you need to have more than documents to show intent. on the one occasion i will disagree with michael cohen's legal strategy. >> as someone that wasn't a fan of the apprentice, maybe i will find something on youtube. >> just this once. >> research. >> have a happy weekend, thank you both very much. the justice department is suing georgia over new voting laws that unfairly discriminates against black voters. welcome to the party mr. attorney general. glad you could make it. we will be right back. glad you t we will be right back. when heartburn takes you by surprise. fight back fast, with new tums naturals.
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we believe the civil rights of americans have been violated. we will not hesitate to act. >> days after senate republicans blocked even debating federal voting rights legislation, the for the people act. the biden justice department took their first action on voting rights, suing georgia over the voter suppression law. merrick garland says it violates section two of the voting rights act. that spells out how georgia's law was meant to target black voters. >> after a historic election that saw record turn out across the state and particularly for absentee voting which black voters are now more likely to use than white voters. our complaint challenges several provisions on the grounds they were adopted with the intent to deny or abridge black citizens
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equal access to the political process. >> now one of eight lawsuits challenging various parts of the georgia law and comes on the eighth anniversary of the decision that gutted core provisions of the voting rights act, provisions like georgia to receive federal pre-clearance on changes to their procedures. today they highlighted the most egregious provisions in the law including giving food and water to people standing in line to vote. >> historically minority voters have been more likely to wait in long lines to vote in person on election day. as we allege in the complaint the needless ban was passed with unlawful discriminatory intent.
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a major rally in washington d.c. thank you both for being here. representative williams, i want to get your reaction to the lawsuit. >> i mean i was kind of like you, joy. welcome to the party. we all have our role to play. i will continue my fight in congress to make sure that we get the best bill possible passed. i am supporting my sisters on the ground in the movement because we have to have the outside presence and the grassroots going. i said we will see you in congress or the courts. in the south that is the way we know we have to defeat jim crow. the department of justice, it is their job to represent the american people and make sure our civil rights are protected. >> are you concerned if the lawsuit happens that there will not be a stay of the law in effect before the elections? because it does feel like republicans in georgia are trying to ensure themselves
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re-election and ensure they can get hold of the senate seat. are you worried that the law will be in court and not stayed and can be used to stop people from voting in georgia in 2022. >> that is exactly why we are not giving up on passing the for the people act so that we can get a bill to president biden's desk and signed into law in advance of the elections. >> i know you are on the road with the original freedom riders with you. i want to get your reaction to the fact that the courts are engaged and particularly having gupta and kristin clark on the job in terms of the court case others and the justice department vowed to investigate and prosecute threats against election workers. the two of them will be leading that effort, gupta and clark. >> i am extremely hopeful.
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i am really glad this is happening. you know, i needed that this week. as a matter of fact, i am sitting on the supreme court right now because we have an action at the supreme court this evening, a press conference. literally to mark the eighth anniversary of the decision that opened up the flood gates of what we are experiencing right now. there were many that drove to d.c., sat in the supreme court during the arguments and kept on saying that this would happen and that we would start to see an attack on black voters and if you pulled out the clause, you would see this action happening. it is ironic on friday when we left georgia, you know the republican secretary of state announced he is purging 100,000 voters from the voting roll. we know who that is targeted at. this is a positive step forward. the d.o.j. is no longer the personal law office of the
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president and seems like they are in a position that will have electoral justice for the people. to have two women of color experienced veteran civil rights attorneys, i am very, very confident that the state will have resources. when it happened, we filed a lawsuit within minutes of the law being signed but now to have the full weight of the federal government with the resources to bring to bear, i am extremely hopeful and excited about it. >> let me show you foeters. a photo of yourself along with the co-founder of black lives matter. there you are. there is also an event in richmond, virginia. i want to ask, the other piece of this is the removal of black
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and democratic members of elections commissions. it seems really concerning. is there hope those positions will be restored? the lawsuit is not specifically about that. >> that is one of the things, the original version did not address. i introduced a bill this week that would prevent that from happening in any state in the country and you can only remove election officials for cause. we are working on that as the republicans get creative and finding more and more ways to prevent us from voting, we need to make sure that we are doing things to protect the vote. this is our civil rights movement. what are we going to do with it. >> i am going to give you the last word on this. can you spell out for anyone that doubts that we need comprehensive federal
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legislation, youor the ground mobilizing and registering black voters. what does it mean in practice to have the laws in place when you are trying to allow people to exercise their right to vote? >> you know, 60 years ago the freedom riders were black and white folks coming together and testing the case around segregation. because they worked together, they won. we have been traveling going on eight days and not only to urban areas but rural areas and hearing story after story of people saying it is becoming more difficult and talking about how it affects them and what happened in georgia impacts alabama, one of the states that does not have no excuse absentee ballot voting. we need to set a national standard. whether they are in idaho, alabama or mississippi. we need the john lewis voter
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advancement act. we need both. we need the court system. this is an issue about democracy and not partisanship. that is why we are doing the work we are doing on the freedom ride. come out and ride out with us. >> well, i am heading back to the d.c. area. i will try to catch up before you guys leave. thank you very much for being here. i hope to see you tomorrow. all right. still ahead a live report from the collapsed condominium in florida where more than 100 people are unaccounted for. that is next. stay with us. unaccounted for that is next stay with us quit cold turkey. kidding me?! instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette
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president biden signed an emergency declaration to coordinate the disaster relief efforts. >> i have spoken to the governor and sent the best people from fema down there. i promise you the congressmen and administration will do everything possible to be of assistance now and after this occurs. >> joining me now is my colleague and friend ali velshi. give us the latest please. >> reporter: well, it is half-hour from sunset. you can see it on the left of your screen that there are a group of police being briefed on what they are going to do. we are seeing rescue workers coming back and forth. we have four people confirmed dead. one whose identity we know and 150 people on the not accounted for list.
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that does not mean there are 159 people to be rescued in the rubble. 159 people they think might have been residents or tenants, family and friends gathered nearby, eight blocks north of here waiting for news and being briefed three to four hours. bottom line is that there is not a great deal of progress in bringing the numbers down. they are working all day, sorting through the rubble. helicopters up there and heavy machinery, using sonar to listen for things, dogs, cameras, gritting out the search. but they don't know what happened. they have to be careful about how they approach the search so not to jeopardize the area they can't get out from but still enough oxygen to survive in. as the sun is ready to set, a grim, grim situation with up to 159 people thought missing and may be in that rubble. >> i know there is aggressive
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real estate development there. trying to get to what happened here. do we know anything about the idea of this being built on reclaimed wetlands, thus it is sinking because it is basically on wetlands. can you tell us about that? >> yeah. we are on a barrier island, miami beach. you can see all of the buildings. all about 40 years old. buildings shouldn't be coming down with any cause. there is a lot of speculation about what is going on. one lawsuit filed. some people say they have cracks showing up in the building the management company did not take care of. a professor from florida international university who has said that these -- sinking at the rate of about two millimeters a year because it is on this reclaimed wetland but is not drawing the conclusion that is what caused what happened here. typically something like that happens because of an earthquake or a bomb or like 9/11, a fire
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that caused it to go down. that will be a big focus of the work, figuring out what happened. that is not the priority as they are trying to rescue people, but they need to understand it. there are a lot of people here and everywhere else in apartment buildings wondering why this thing came down. >> absolutely. happen to live on the same reclaimed wetlands and having to worry. thank you very much. coming up, pride month was celebrated at the white house today. >> pride month stands for love. you know, being able to love yourself. love whomever you love and love the country enough to make it more fair and free and justice. >> actor and activist, george takei, there he is. he joins me to discuss a year of exciting advancements and setbacks for our lgbt community
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it sure is good to see you. we are nearing the end of june. which means, the end of pride month. pride is an opportunity for our lgbtq-plus friends to come together, and celebrate those, who fought, and continue to fight for equality and acceptance. today, the president and first lady welcomed advocates, faith leaders, and politicians to the east room. who better to kick off the shindig than transportation secretary, pete buttigieg? >> those youth, who wonder whether they belong. and especially, to those, for whom doubt or fear or danger mean you still can't live fully as your true self. know that a whole lot of us have your back, starting at the top. and yes, happy pride. >> pride month represents so much.
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it stands for courage. the courage of all those, in previous generations and today who, proudly, live their truth. it stands for justice. both, the steps we've taken, and the steps we need to take. and above all, pride month stands for love. >> earlier, president biden designated the site of the pulse nightclub shooting in florida as a national memorial. and joining me now is george takei, actor, author, and activist. and it is always great to talk to you, george. thank you for being here. you gave me one earlier. let's talk about this. so, my good friend, brandon wolf, who survived the pulse shooting was there. he tweeted about being in the east room for this pulse nightclub designation. talking about the 49 of his friends who will never be forgotten. what does that mean? what -- what do you think that the significance of -- of creating that memorial will be? >> it is profound, because it
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capsulizes all of the struggle and the fight against homophobia and all that we've had to go through, to get to the point where we are, now. and to memorialize those places is an important -- to make it a landmark -- is an important act. and another, important, landmark event was the clip that you showed in the white house. i mean, pete buttigieg, the first eminently credible candidate for the presidency of the united states. and now, on the president's cabinet as the secretary of transportation. and to have joe biden, himself, there in the white house. we are making great progress. and it is, certainly, a month of pride and celebration. >> so, we were -- we were -- we were, like, furiously writing. we were like let's think of all the like good things that have happened that we can celebrate that went well. and you mentioned pete buttigieg, who made history.
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also, my girl, karine jean-pierre, who was the first lgbtq person to take the podium and do, as a white house press secretary, she is the deputy-press secretary. you have had an executive order in january, signed by the president, banning discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation. a record number of lgbtq people in the administration. and, of course, nfl player, carl nassib, for football fans, who plays for the raiders. who they should be in oakland but, whatever, they in vegas now. i mean, there is a lot that is good. but there are, still, challenges, george. i mean, we are seeing trans kids just beaten about, right? >> there are other positives that we mustn't forget. i mean, the mayor of chicago, lori lightfoot. she's got a tough job and she is a strong woman who can handle it. >> yeah. but the things we sort of still have to worry about. i mean, trans children are really being placed in a horrible position. black-trans women have been killed at record numbers. we are seeing the
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trans community really zeroed in on, in a way, politically, to make them sort of an independent villain. what can we do to be supportive, do you think, as we are so celebratory of what's happening for the lgb part and for the t? >> and it's part of the whole struggle and the struggle is, particularly in the south now, against the transgender community. in florida, just this month, they banned participation in girls' athletics by transgender women. same thing happened last month or a few months ago in arkansas where our family was in prison during the second world war and i have many friends in arkansas and i love arkansas and little rock. but it's, still, one of those areas where we have our battles to fight. >> yeah. you know, and, you know, intersectionality is so important, you know, since we are all getting to know who kimberly crenshaw is, at least
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some folks are. she coined that term. and for you, who's a person of color, who's, also, you know, a gay man. can you talk, a little bit, about how the challenges remain, if they remain in your view, for communities of color for young people who are coming out in cultures where it might be more difficult than it is, you know, here. just or in families that are more conservative. like, what is that, sort of, differentiation, do you think? >> exactly. i mean, families of color are no different than the larger communities of families. we have progressive or conservative families and it's still a long -- a serious problem. and especially, for me, as an actor. most of my adult life was spent in the closet. i was 68, when i came out, because of -- i was tired of gritting my teeth. and swallowing the ugly taste.
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in california, back in 2005, when i, first, came out. a landmark event happened. the legislature of california, both houses, senate and the assembly, passed the marriage-equality bill. only-one state, at that time, had marriage equality. that was massachusetts. and they got it through the state supreme court. we did it with the legislature. the people -- people's representative. but that bill needed one more signature. that of the governor. and the governor, at that time, happened to be arnold schwarzenegger, who campaigned for the -- the governor's office by touting the fact that he's from hollywood. he's worked with gays and lesbians. and -- >> yeah. >> -- and, yet, despite that campaign, when the bill landed on his desk, he vetoed it. >> yeah. >> and that got me so angry that i came out. >> well, we are glad that you did and we are glad that you're our friend.
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george takei, live long and prosper. you are great. happy pride to you, sir. thank you so much. okay. >> happy pride to you. >> thank you. before we go. in honor of pride month, tonight's moment of joy is brought to you by the letter s for sesame street. for nearly half a century, sesame treat has been a pioneering program when it comes to diversity and inclusion. granny bird, elmo, and the rest of the gage welcomed frank, dave, and their daughter mia, the first married same-sex couple and family. cheers to sesame street for doing more to recognize diversity in this country and most of the republican party and lots of other people. that is tonight's reid out. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight, on "all in." >> where we see violations of federal law, we will act. in keeping that promise, today, the department of justice is suing the state of georgia. >> the justice department joins
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