thank you, guys, so much for watching at home. i'll be back next saturday at 10:00 a.m. eastern, but stay tuned, because my friend alex whit has the latest. the best part of being at 30 rock was getting to hug you. >> i was going to say, we are such good friends and it was so much fun to crash into your studio during the commercial break. i went running in to give you a hug. can't wait to have you back and we're going to make good on that promise to go out together and discuss life and all the various aspects of that these days. thanks, my friend. have a good one. a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. there we have it. it's the top of the hour. high noon in the east. welcome, everyone, to alex whit reports. we begin with breaking news from surfside florida, a news conference in the last hour with

some new information on this day three of the search and rescue operation under way right now. the latest numbers, at least four people have died, 11 are injured, 159 remain unaccounted for. >> we are continuing our search and rescue because our first responders believe there's still a possibility. there are crevices, so there's air. they're able to pick through. >> some new questions today after the town of surfside released a trove of documents related to this building, and while there's no conclusion yet on the cause of the collapse, the documents do show that in 2018 inspectors observed cracking in concrete columns, beams and walls. "the new york times" reports repairs were just about to get under way when the building collapsed. at a makeshift family unification center, families wait on word, waiting for a breakthrough and a flurry of

rescues at any minute. >> we are just waiting right here. as i told you, we're waiting for any miracle. there's nothing that we can do, just pray and wait, at least to find them. >> officials are growing increasingly worried about a fire that has been burning since the collapse. >> and we need to get that fire put out. we've got a nasty fire going on inside, deep inside the rubble, probably coming from cars underneath that were crushed and leaked fluid. the fire department is on it. they check for dangerous gases. so, fortunately, we're not seeing those dangerous explosive gases and our waves of research and rescue crews continue to dig the victims out. that's all we're going to do today. we're going to dig the victims

out. >> there for us in surfside, nbc's vaughn hillyard and msnbc anchor ali velshi. we are still hearing stories from people to escaped the collapsing building. >> reporter: yeah, this is the reality that we're thankful for, that just part of the tower, the complex collapsed and not all of it. because there are survivors. more than 50 of them did make it out alive. i want you to hear from one of those individuals. take a listen. >> my son says he heard three distinct sounds. the first one was very minor. the second one was the shaking of the balcony doors and we thought it was a bad thunderstorm. and then the third one was the real big explosion that woke us up. at that point everything shook, the walls shook. when we got down to about the third floor, there was an

elderly woman. she needed help. my son and i helped her get down to the first floor. when we got down there, we realized that the first floor had collapsed a little bit, probably about 3 feet and we had to kind of crawl our way up the existing rubble with an elderly woman as well. we were able to pull that off and then get to the pool deck. you feel like you've been given a second opportunity. i don't know why, what's my purpose, honestly. it is definitely heartbreaking and at the same time, a relief. i don't know. i'm happy the four of us made it. things could have been so different by, like, 15 feet. it was the difference between us and the next apartment. >> reporter: alex, he bore witness to an event that is hard to put in terms and grapple with.

their neighbors, their neighbors down their hallway are still missing. you know, the last individual, the last body that was recovered was at 5:30 a.m. yesterday. that's more than 30 hours ago. there's a reunification center that's been set up at this hotel. they have put folks up in these hotel rooms, their family members, to provide them an outlet. we've been getting these every few hours, updates, public updates from local officials, as well as the governor. they are coming to address these folks directly before they make those public announcements, and there is frustration, there is desperation, there's sadness because the hope that folks are holding onto, with every hour that passes, the reality dips in a little more their loved ones may be gone. 159 individuals unaccounted for. the likes of these three individuals, a mother, father, and columbian citizens who were here this week.

she was taking part of tennis lessons in the miami area. i talked with a relative of theirs in columbia. they're desperate and some are looking for news, whether it be good news, bad news, some news. but what is becoming a reality for these folks is that this is going to be more than just a couple days. we're looking at weeks to find out about their own family members. alex? >> it could not be more heartbreaking. vaughn, thank you for that update. let's bring in ali velshi. ali, i watched the show, you spoke with a lot of experts and officials today. give me your sense of the biggest challenges in the hours ahead and how surprised were you to hear about the fires that are ongoing? we don't necessarily see smoke billowing, but then you're on scene. maybe you are seeing the smoke. >> reporter: yeah, in fact, we are at various times. there are two reasons for it. one is the type of fire, alex, is not a fire that would be based on propane or natural gas.

it's low combustible. when a building collapses, electrical wires get exposed, things get set on fire. the quality of the light-colored smoke means it's normal combust ibls. they're trying to put it out and that creates steam. there's dust from the rubble, steam from the smoke and then the actual smoke. the problem is, it's been raining here for days. it rained on thursday night, there was an electrical storm. that kept people from continuing the rescue. friday it was raining through the course of the day. this morning we had another downpour. when you combine the actual rain with the water going into it, what they're worried about is that those spaces that are most likely to be habitable, the voids that people may be surviving in are at the lowest levels of the building and that's where the water is accumulating. they've been trying to pump out. the other thing that water does in an unstable building is that it's very weighty, heavy. so they're worried about that. you guys played some comments

from the mayor of surfside. that's different from the mayor of miami-dade county. the surfside mayor says the other half of the building is standing, should we be evacuating that? it's the same contractor. if there were problems based on that report that we just saw come out, maybe we need to get rid of that building. governor ron desantis has said very soon, probably by the end of the day, we will have a decision on that. they're deliberating do they evacuate that other building? do they look around the area and say if there are environmental areas like shifting sands or things that sunk a little bit as this building was thought to have done, should they be looking at that. the mayor of miami-dade says that every building in the county that's more than 40 years old will be audited within 30 days. there are two concerns. is this going to happen anywhere else, and then the other is how do they keep the area stable so they can continue the rescue. the former chief of police told

me this. >> the biggest concern is the secondary collapse hazard. you still have part of a building that's standing that's unsupported, you have a lot of debris hanging off the side of that building. it's an incredibly dangerous area to work in. that's the biggest concern, is making sure that everybody working there is in a safe as possible way. we calculate the risk, we measure the risk. they're trying to effect rescues. so they are going to take risks to try to effect rescues. >> some complaints that they stopped putting water on these fires to try and stop the fires, what's that about? >> so they've really been keeping a little bit of water all the time, but, again, they're trying to make sure that they measure the amount of water and not inundate and flood areas that have potential survivors. >> they're likely to be in the lower part of the building? >> exactly. so we've been de-watering since this happened. we have large pumps that are moving the water that was there even before the fire and it's a

delicate balance in order to try to maintain as much survivability in any space possible. >> and that's the problem, alex. people who are looking for their loved ones do not want to hear delicate, sophisticated approach. they want people in there finding their loved ones. >> i've got to say, this video we're watching, ali, you look at so many people down there. it would seem as if that building could collapse at any time. first of all, how many of these miami-dade rescue efforts, how many people are down there dealing with this at the time? it's frightening to watch them be there. >> reporter: yeah, well your first question is one that i've been thinking the whole time. why is anybody near the second building at the moment. so i don't know that anybody is actually living there right now. but this is a very big center for urban search and rescue. wherever i've gone elsewhere, when i'm covering hurricanes, it's people from this region they send. these guys are experts at

research and rescue. they've brought in teams from mexico, there are people from israel here. people have been sending search and rescue teams and they are really sophisticated. they've got great tools, they know how to do this. they're orderly. there are a lot of people saying why not let more volunteers in, and the research and rescue have made let only trained people come in. if you bring the wrong people, they could cause a bigger collapse. >> it's one of those things we saw at 9/11, people trying to flee as these were the people that went in to the face of danger, regardless of what they were facing. >> reporter: that's right. >> vaughn and ali, thank you so much. we're going to continue the conversation as i'm joined by the vice mayor of surfside, florida, tina paul. so, tina, thank you for being here. i know it's an incredibly heartbreaking time and we've heard a couple of reports just now. do you have any updates on the search and rescue efforts or anything you want to share,

highlight with our viewers? >> thank you for having me and supporting the town of surfside. i was -- last night i toured the site with our building official and the team of engineers we've hired to assess the situation and the other buildings nearby to make sure they're safe for the residents or if they need to be evacuated. we received photographs from a resident in one of the neighboring condo buildings, i believe it's the champlain east, and they had cracks in the parking garage. these were pretty severe cracks. i hadn't seen anything like that. and this morning i was at the brief for the families. it's heartbreaking, because people want answers, it's frustrating. just listening to your report, there's concern, too, for the safety of the workers. we really don't know what's going on over there. i'm working with a group that's

organizing for us to get international satellite imaging to look at the area and see what's going on with the ground. engineers are working with them because it's a technical process. i made the connection at the management seminar a few years ago and we've stayed in touch, so i connected them with our engineers and building officials so we can get satellite images that will give us a better idea. >> that could probably be super helpful. let me ask you, though, i know you've heard about "the new york times" reporting about an engineer having warned of major structural damage at this condo complex. that was back in 2018, tina. i mean, it's chilling to revisit that report in the wake of this disaster. what are you hearing from investigators relative to this report? >> alex, this report came to my attention last night just as everyone else received it on the records request. i read it at 4:00 a.m. before

going to sleep and i was alarmed when i got to page 7, because that's where it explained the dire situation. and i don't know why nothing was done at the time period when the building received the report. i noticed it was sent to the treasurer of the association. obviously that would be a board decision, something the board would have to share with the residents. to my knowledge, the town did not receive that report. i even asked who received the report, because i was serving on the commission in 2018, and it's not a report that would come to the commission, but it would have been handled by the building department and building official at the time. but i've been told that the report was never received by the town until a few days ago. >> would this report, though, tina, have gone to the management of the building? i mean, it's a condominium

building, so presumably privately owned, but they've got to have a board. >> exactly, they would have a management company or an on-site manager and a board. and it is addressed to the condo association. >> how many buildings are you keeping an eye on that you have concern at this time, or are you still trying to gather that information? >> we're keeping an eye really on all the buildings. i live in a building four blocks away, so it's a concern to all of us, because everyone has to be safe. we're primarily focusing on the buildings -- we call them sister buildings. so you have the champlain south, there's east and north. so we're concentrating, after seeing your report, i think we need to concentrate on what is remaining at champlain south because that structure is probably more vulnerable than the other two. but we had received a satellite

image yesterday evening that shows vulnerability in that area, and so we're working to request the international satellite imaging, which would give us a better picture so the experts, the engineers and our building official can assess what's really happening there. >> absolutely. >> then we'll have to decide which buildings to evacuate and which are safe. >> i'm sure you're spending all your waking hours on this. thank you so much for taking time to speak with us. i appreciate you. the derek chauvin sentencing and the criticism that followed it. our correspondent interviewed one father who knows the pain of the floyd family better than most and put the judge's decision in pretty stark terms. that's next.

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some new reaction to derek chauvin's sentence of 22 1/2 years behind bars for killing george floyd.

last night peaceful protesters marched through the streets of minneapolis saying the sentence is not long enough. let's go to my colleague, shaquille brewster, in minneapolis for us. the reaction overall has been mixed. what are you hearing? >> reporter: definitely that mixed reaction, but at the end of the day people understand that there were limitations that judge cahill was facing. there were sentencing guidelines, and he did depart from them, sentencing chauvin to ten years more than what the presumptive sentence is in this case. but there's still a deep sense of dissatisfaction with people who wanted to see the maximum penalty for derek chauvin, who now wakes up in the most secure unit of the most secure prison in this state. yesterday what we saw outside of the courtroom, we saw a group of people gathering. they were listening to the hearing as it was playing out and hanging on to every word as they heard from the family of george floyd, as they heard from

the mother of derek chauvin defending her son's, what they believed is her son's innocence. and then you heard the verdict or the sentencing come down. i ran into jacob blake sr., the father of jacob blake, who was shot seven times in the back in kenosha, wisconsin. that officer not charged after that shooting, but that was a shooting that sparked many protests. and i saw tears in his eyes. i want you to listen to what he told me just seconds after we learned how long derek chauvin would be facing in that sentence. >> i don't think people understand the pain that the families -- that they go through, and we never get justice, man. we never get justice, man. we do everything we're supposed to do and we can't find justice,

man. why does it allude us? why does it allude us, man? >> reporter: why does justice allude us, that was his message. and that was a message, a sentiment that you heard repeated throughout the day from many of the activists and many of the demonstrators that were here watching what was going on. judge cahill did not explain his sentence from the bench. instead, he filed a written memo, essentially, a sentencing memo, explaining his decision. one line i want to read from it and point your attention to, he said the reason why he departed from the presumptive sentence of about 12 1/2 years is he said that chauvin, quote, treated mr. floyd without respect and denied him the dignity owed to all human beings. that was one of his key justifications when he handed down the 22 1/2 year sentence.

it's historically significant, but doesn't please everyone here. >> that was painful listening to mr. blake. absolutely painful. it makes you mad, too, sympathizing with him. thank you very much for sharing that with us. let's bring in paul but per, former federal prosecutor, now professor at georgetown school of law and an msnbc legal analyst. was justice served, paul, with this sentence? >> alex, the judge did not throw the book at derek chauvin, but he came close. he could not have gone over 30 years without risking getting reversed on appeal. chauvin will be locked up until 2043. this is one of the toughest sentences an officer has received for killing a black person. the only other minnesota officer to be convicted of murder got 12 1/2 years. derek chauvin is also the first white police officer to be sentenced to prison in minnesota

for killing a black man. the judge's written opinion explains that he went over the guidelines because of chauvin's cruelty. the only case where defendants have gotten more time for a crime like this is when the victims were children. >> speaking of children, george floyd's daughter, gianna, gave a victim impact statement, if you will, essentially saying how much they missed her daddy, she missed him brushing teeth with her at night. i'm curious, when a judge goes into the courtroom for sentencing and you hear these impact statements, how much does that play into ultimately the sentencing, or does the judge go in knowing pretty much what they're going to do? >> that's a great question, alex. the victim impact testimony is extremely powerful and moving. it typically does not change the

sentence, which the judge has already calculated in advance. but it's cathartic for the family to face the criminal and tell him the trauma he's caused. mr. floyd's brother was full of righteous anger. he told the judge to put chauvin under the jail. but it was gianna who reminded us that this case isn't mainly about police accountability or the national reckoning or race. it's about a 7-year-old girl who will never get to go on a plane ride with her dad. >> yeah. it's like listening to jacob blake sr. talking about his son and wondering why in the world this injustice persists and the pain they feel. brutal to hear him talk about that. let me ask you to listen to me to something that george floyd's nephew said after the sentencing. >> when you think about george being murdered in cold blood with a knee on his neck for 9

minutes and 29 seconds, execution-style in broad daylight, 22 1/2 years is not enough. what kind of message are you sending to younger kids like gianna, that you can kill a man in cold blood and get a slap on the wrist? i won't celebrate this at all, but i will celebrate a guilty conviction on a police officer that killed a black man, because far too many times we see them kill us and get right away with it. >> pretty powerful statement by brandon wright. how much do you think police officers across this country are going to hear that and focus on this, and the fact that derek chauvin got 22 1/2 years behind bars for his behavior? >> judge cahill said he wasn't trying to send a message, but this verdict will certainly be a warning to other bad apple cops if they abuse their badge in the gross way that derek chauvin did, they could face extremely serious consequences. for social justice, it's more

complicated. let's hope that when chauvin completes his sentence, u.s. police are not still killing 1,000 people every year like they do now. whether chauvin gets 22 years or 40 years won't change that. the focus has to be on systemic change, like the george floyd justice and policing act, which you and i have discussed, that's still stalled in the senate. if we don't see that kind of transformation in policing, then george floyd's death will have been in vain. >> paul butler, thank you so much. we'll have you back again to talk about all of this and more. the develop's attack on critical race theory spilled out onto the floor of congress this week and one particular republican member of congress got quite an earful from two military leaders. we'll discuss next. i think most adults will start realizing that they don't recall things as quickly as they used to or they don't remember things as vividly as they once did.

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has crashed, killing at least four people. police say it happened about three hours ago. it happened when this balloon collided with a power line and that caught the balloon on fire. police estimate the victims range in age between 40 and 60 years old. the crash has knocked out power to the area. we're going to update you on any significant developments as we get them here. there's new reaction as the gop led the fight against critical race theory and it moves from the country's classrooms to the military now. republican congressman matt gates lashing out at defense secretary lloyd austin about whether the military academy teaches critical race theory. gaetz claimed he's heard from service members who don't support the idea. >> i want to share with you that perspective that it caused service members to impair group cohesion, and interesting to me is that i've heard those

sentiments most frequently from units that are majority/minority. >> thanks for your anecdotal input, but i would say that i have gotten ten times that amount of input, 50 times that amount of input on the other side that have said, hey, we're glad to have had the ability to have a conversation with ourselves and our leadership. >> i personally find it o fenceive that we are accusing the united states military, our general officers, our noncommissioned officers of being, quote, woke, or something else because we're studying theories that are out there. >> they schooled him. joining me right now is retired major general for the u.s. army, and coauthor of the book "hunting the califhate". general, back to you, sir. i would like to get your reaction to all you heard, both from the lawmakers and military leaders. >> good afternoon, alex. i thought general millie and

secretary austin, both of whom i've known for decades, really did a good job. i thought the question was just hyperbole from congressman gaetz and i thought the response was excellent. >> of course, the comment, thanks for your anecdotal opinion. you never know how many matt gaetz may have been referring to. general austin said the military does not teach critical race theory and is in fact focused on extremism behaviors, not ideology or political orientation. from your experience in the military, can you put into perspective what general austin means by that comment and what is the basis of what is being taught to service members? >> sure. and i can understand where general austin is coming from. it was back in somewhere between 1999 and 2001 where the army, the united states army had issues with extremism.

we had a couple, an african-american couple that was murdered outside of fort bragg by a soldier who was a white supremacist. we had a couple other incidents like that. so the military took a hard look at extremism and white supremacy. and let's not forget that the military itself has had issues, certainly, in the past, in it's history. the u.s. army has been around for 246 years. but 173 of those years it was segregated. it wasn't until 1948 that the military became desegregated by executive order by president truman. so, again, the military has had its issues on that. but i might add that in 1948 that was well before the rest of the united states, and specifically the south, desegregated. so, again, the u.s. military is trying to ensure that it does

its job, which is to win america's wars and support and defend the constitution of the united states. >> let's play a moment here from wednesday's hearing when general millie spoke specifically about critical race theory. here it is. >> on the issue of critical rates theory, et cetera, i'll obviously have to get much smarter on whatever the theory is, but i do think it's important, actually, for those of us in uniform to be open-minded and be widely read. the united states military academy is a university and it is important that we train and we understand. >> he actually spoke as well about the different teachings of different leaders in history whom he may not agree with, but he says it helps him to understand the ideology of any particular country, while they may be going to help protect people or serve the united states' interest. so overall, sir, your reaction to the comment you just heard and why it is so important to

actually hear general millie and general austin address the issue. >> sure. it's certainly important for the leadership of the united states military to talk about being open-minded and having a discussion about race. race in america. now, we've been dealing with race in america before america was even a country. it goes back to 1619. we look at facts. and that's one thing as a graduate of the united states military academy, you look at facts. so, fact, african-americans were brought here as slaves in 1619. fact, that was a year before the pilgrims arrived. fact, 1788 the constitution of the united states, african-americans were considered free citizens. we had the civil war, with the rights to hold slaves, to have slavery. it was fought over slavery. fact, the bloodiest war in

american history. then we had nearly 100 years, with the exception of the 12 years of the reconstruction, really 100 years of jim crow laws, and there was terrorism against african-americans for nearly 100 years. that's a fact. and so the united states military academy, being a university, as you would expect, as you look -- when we had research papers due, you had to have references that were accurate. if your references weren't accurate, your conclusions weren't accurate. so taking a look at our history, not through rose-colored glasses, but through facts, is going to be very, very important and it will keep the officers, the men and women who graduate from the united states military academy having open minds, as they lead a very diverse force. >> retired major general from the u.s. army, general, thank

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bracing for legal perle. the trump organization is expected to be hit with criminal charges as soon as this week. ali vitali is there awaiting the rally. what more do we know about this? >> reporter: where we are today in ohio is a scene that you and i know well over the years of covering trump rallies. he's going to start taking a public posture over the next few weeks with rallies and appearances. at the same time brewing in the background is the action taken from the manhattan district attorney. that could have big implications on trump and the company that bears his name. the trump organization bracing for criminal charges. multiple sources telling nbc news manhattan district attorney cyrus vans is expected to announce an indictment of the former president's company as soon as next week. the first criminal charges stemming from vans's

wide-ranging investigation. long-time chief financial officer allen weisselberg also potentially facing charges as prosecutors ramp up the pressure on him to cooperate with the broader probe against trump, which centers on potentially extensive and protracted criminal conduct, including falsifying business records, insurance fraud and tax fraud, with prosecutors focused on fringe benefits, allegedly awarded to people like weisselberg, including thousands in rent on apartments and car leases, according to "the new york times." an attorney for the trump organization telling nbc news they'll plead not guilty and want the case dismissed, calling the charges completely outrageous and describing mr. trump as outraged. but some lawyers see this as only the beginning. >> it's this phase of going after the trump organization and his employees on taxes.

>> reporter: they put financial, as well as political pressure on trump to defend the company he ran for decades and as his schedule is ramping up for summer with rallies and appearances planned across the country for the next few weeks. and, alex, over the next few weeks we're going to be seeing much more of the former president. this is the start of it, a rally in the state of ohio, a state he won in 2020, a place where he's looking to settle political scores. there are thousands of people waiting to get in, and in part the point of this rally is to energize folks who would be voting ahead of the 202 midterms. there's a republican primary here, an ex-trump staffer is running against the republican incumbent, anthony gonzales, one of the ten republicans who voted to impeach the former president earlier this year. that's a score that trump is going to want to settle here in ohio and across the country as those other congressmen and women are up for re-election in 2022.

>> can't wait for more rallies, and we'll just say thanks for that reporting. appreciate you. joining me now is pennsylvania congressman madeleine dean, a democrat member of the house judiciary and financial services committees. welcome. always good to see you. curious your reaction to the trump organization possibly facing criminal charges as early as next week. do you think it's the tip of the iceberg? you heard one attorney saying this is just the first inning. >> i believe it is. and cy vance has been looking into this and the organization and the activities of the organization, whether it's trying to defraud companies or trying to falsify documents for banks. he's been looking at this for quite a while. so i think it's an important announcement, next week we'll see what indictments come forward. but indicting the organization will have far-reaching impact, because with the organization indited, that will interfere with the organization's financing. banks could have the right to

pull on all of the debt of the trump organization, which could be fatal to the organization. >> 100%. wow, i didn't know that that potential was there. let's move to the expected vote next week for a house select committee with subpoena powers that is going to investigate the january 6th insurrection at the capitol. do you think this is the best way forward? >> i think it is a proper way forward. i have always been in favor of an independent commission, and that's still a possibility. if you remember, after 9/11 it took 14 months before the independent commission was actually put into force, into law. but this is the correct move by the speaker to start with a select committee. we need to know the facts and circumstances around the january 6th attack. it is stunning to me, maybe it shouldn't be, that the republican leaders or would-be leaders have tried to not allow that to go forward. you saw this week mr. mccarthy

finally met with officer panone, and he asked that he publicly tell his members to stop the false information surrounding the attack. so i'll be proud and happy to vote for the select committee. the speaker is doing the right thing. we'll get to the facts and circumstances, but that doesn't mean we can't also have an independent commission. >> do you have thoughts on or has there been, i guess in the water cooler, about who might chair this committee, and might you be involved on it? >> i don't know that i would be involved on it. i had the honor to be impeachment manager. we have such talent within our caucus. so i'm pretty sure speaker pelosi has some folks in mind. i don't have any ideas on who will be on it, but i was just proud to serve our caucus and our country in the defense of our constitution and our democracy in the impeachment trial. as for who the speaker appoints,

i have a feeling we have a very talented, diverse pool from which she will choose. >> let's talk about the bipartisan deal on infrastructure, which focuses on physical infrastructure. the president has made it clear he also wants a separate bill through reckon sillization, and that would include social spending from his american families plan. the president says he is not going to sign one bill without the other. you have senator lindsey graham telling politico that he's out under this pretense. he says the republicans negotiating the deal never told him about the linkage strategy and he doesn't believe they were aware of it. are you concerned that the two-for strategy could put the entire deal in jeopardy? >> no, i think it's smart. you saw the announcement of the bipartisan agreement, $579 billion in spending, for a total package of $2.2 trillion. take a look at what the republican leaders are doing. they negotiate and send out and

deputize some and then the pull the rug out from under them. the thing we bring to service is our credibility. they all have lost their credibility. they say one thing in front of one audience, another in front of another, and they're not fit to lead. >> let me ask you about an update this weekend on a debate within the catholic church about who should take communion. u.s. catholic bishops now say there will be no national policy on withholding communion from politicians. it all comes after american bishops considering denying president biden, a very devout lifelong catholic to not take communion. as a catholic, i know you are one, what is your reaction to this? >> i was extremely dismayed and discouraged about the

conversation about possibly denying communion to the president of the united states. the second only catholic president. i actually called my own archbishop, not as a congressperson, but as a catholic, a person of faith, and i told him my concerns. this is a president we should be lifting up, as a model, a man who believes deeply in his faith and practices it. i told him, i spoke with archbishop nelson perez and i quoted what the pope said, warning and preaching that communion is not the reward for saints, it is the bread for sinners. the church, my church, needs to unify. otherwise, i fear what martin luther king warned of in his time about churches. he said if they fail to recapture their sacrificial spirit of their beginnings, they will be dismissed as an irrelevant social club. i don't want my catholic faith, my church, to be dismissed as an

irrelevant social club. but it's on the brink of that. >> understandable. may i give you ten seconds to wish someone very special a happy birthday? >> oh, thank you very much. you have photos from a while ago. my husband's birthday is today. patrick, happy birthday, honey. >> there you go. happy birthday. i hope you have fun celebrating. thank you so much. always a pleasure to speak with you. so it is not often you hear a judge talk about members of congress saying i don't know what planet these people are on, but it happened this week. what prompted this comment and whether it's registering with those it was aim add next. e add. . t . . . . . t t . . . .

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6th attack on capitol hill to blast republicans for downplaying the deadly riots. judge saying during the hearing, quote, i'm special troubled by accounts of congress that january 6th was just a day of tourists walking through the capitol. i don't know what planet they were on. this was not a peaceful demonstration. it was not an accident that it turned violent. it was intended to halt the very functioning of our government. joining me now, "usa today" contributor and democratic congressional campaign adviser and democratic strategist and former senior aide to the biden/harris campaign. good to see you. let me start with you, curt. pretty harsh words from a judge. again, moreso from a republican-a pointed judge. what do you make of it? >> you know, i wish that republicans like kevin mccarthy had the fortitude and the clarity that this republican-appointed judge had.

the fact that in our judicial system we've reached a point where a court-appointed people have to say the obvious out loud and admonish the extremist republican party for trying to completely whitewash a domestic terrorist attack on january 6th. that's insane. we just had congresswoman dean on talking about a select committee to investigate january 6th. i hope the first thing that committee does the bring some of these capitol police and washington, d.c. police officers who were there on the ground who have asked republicans like kevin mccarthy to publicly condemn anyone who tries to make light of what happened on january 6th, i hope they have these people there front and center at congressional hearings as the first witness to dare these republicans to sit there and sell them as we recount their firsthand experience of violence and mayhem and fear that it was just another day of tourists in washington, d.c. this is absolutely ridiculous that everybody put the people in

power, the people who were there, the people who were barricading the doors of the house chamber, can't be bothered with just telling the truth about what we all know and see with our own eyes and ears. >> it is kind of insane, i've got to agree with the way you put that. at the same time, you had former vice president mike pence with his strongest rebuttal of donald trump's assistance that he had the power to overturn the election results. take a listen to this. >> there's almost no idea more un-american than the notion that any one person could choose the american president. >> okay, so adrian, what is your reaction to the former vice president saying this now? >> well, you know, look, alex, we are living in reality, my reaction would be that's not strong enough. that's unacceptable. but we seem to still be living in trump's version of reality where essentially if you slightly criticize donald trump,

then that's a big deal. that's pretty much what mike pence did yesterday. he didn't say his name. he wouldn't directly call him out. but he did call out the act and he did make it clear that he did not have any author as the vice president presiding over january 6th to decertify joe biden, who clearly was elected by the american people to be president, and try to put donald trump in there. so, look, every little step in the right direction, i guess, is a good thing. but if we were living in a normal environment, these very -- the soft rebuke by vice president pence would be nothing. but we're not living in that environment today, so i guess we've got to applaud tiny acts of progress on this. >> sure, you've got some republicans speaking out now, adrian, but you have republican voters with whom it seems as though the damage is already done. you've got new polling released this week that's found a majority of republicans back donald trump's efforts to overturn the election results. these numbers are shocking.

86% said his legal challenges were appropriate. 79% said they weren't confident in the national vote tally. 68%, trump really won. 54% said trump should never concede. i mean, for both of you, adrian, you first, though, since you worked on the biden campaign, what's your reaction? >> it's extremely disturbing and it demonstrates the fact that people tend to believe what they see moving across social media and across facebook and twitter even if it's not true. but it also demonstrates the shrinking republican party, the fact that a majority, significant majority of republicans believe that this election, the election results were illegitimate, it just shows you that the republican party is shrinking in numbers. to me, that's everything i need

to see, knowing that this is a party that's not growing its base, the party of older white voters, essentially, they're not attracting women or younger voters. that is what those people believe and you are seeing more and more people go to the democratic party because of that. >> i'll let you have the final word on this. what are your thoughts? >> i think it shows the very grave consequences of what happens when you have an entity like fox news that's basically become a propaganda arm for domestic terrorists in this country, who feed this vitreal and lies and conspiracy theories and present them as fact to an audience that is being conned, that is being misled, lied to. there's a reason when lawsuits come against fox news they claim in their defense that we're just entertainment, we're not actual news. the people watching don't know that. the people watching treat it as gospel and the next time that january 6th happens, and there will be a next time the way this

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