documents show that cy vance is probing possibly extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the trump organization which could, in fact, include falsifying business records, insurance fraud, and tax fraud. >> it's interesting, and not surprising, that they would approach the trump organization to tell them that they are considering to charge them. because that would be almost a death blow to the trump organization. every single bank would culhcul their loans if the trump organization is indicted. there is no way the trump organization has enough capital to pay their loans. expert panel standing by to break down every angle of this case. plus, the devastating-condo collapse near miami. four dead and 159, still, unaccounted for, as the desperate search races against the clock and a persistent fire below. coming up, i am going to be joined by an area resident that has two friends, still, missing.

and deal? or no deal? after seemingly coming to a bipartisan agreement earlier this week, the president's infrastructure agenda is in jeopardy after angering republicans. >> if only one comes to me, i'm not -- this -- if this is the only thing that comes to me, i'm not signing. it's in tandem. >> we are going to break down what comes next. plus, the derek chauvin sentencing. former minneapolis cop gets 22 1/2 years in prison, but is likely to serve less than that. george floyd's cousin, tara brown, will join me later in the hour to talk about how the family is feeling following the sentencing. we are also going to look ahead to the charges chauvin is now facing. but first, i want to get to those breaking new developments in the trump organization probe. "the new york times" reporting that the former president's company could be hit with criminal charges by the manhattan da's office, as early as next week. the case is believed to be

focused on gifts and fringe benefits, distributed to trump-organization executives, including its cfo allen weisselberg. "the times" citing several sources saying, manhattan da, cy vance, is investigating whether tens of thousands of dollars in private-school tuition for weisselberg's grandkids is -- his apartment rental fees were properly recorded and whether taxes were paid on them. ronald, one of the former president's attorneys, hit back at the latest move in a statement to nbc news. slamming the new charges against the organization as, quote, completely outrageous. and saying he will make an immediate motion to dismiss the case. back with me, once again, to break all of this down. nbc news senior investigative producer, anna schecter. anna, good to see you, once again. so i kind of just want to reset this for everybody as it is always i changing kind of the circumstances as to what we know as to when these charges will actually be announced against the trump organization. so bring us up to date, once more, on what we know so far.

>> so, what we know is that there was a meeting of multiple prosecutors and lawyers representing trump organization and the former president, himself. where the prosecutors indicated that they could be bringing criminal charges. this a big deal. the trump organization has been dealing with civil charges, almost since its inception going back decades. but the symbolism of criminal charges will have major implications. trump is highly leveraged. in his business, he's got huge mortgages, worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. and when those loans come due, in the coming years, he will have to refinance those loans. and so, criminal charges will affect that process. he was, already, having trouble because of the january 6th, devastating his reputation even further. and now, criminal charges? i mean, that's a whole, new ball

game. so this is a really serious deal and you have a lot of people, you have a core group of people, who pre-covid, were driving in, commuting in to trump tower to work there. and i am sure they are all under a tremendous amount of pressure right now. it's not just trump. it's his children. and it's the core group of officers, legal team, secretaries. and then, of course, the employees around the world that this could affect. >> was the trump organization -- was the former president, allen weisselberg, so on and so forth, all the folks involved, at all, caught off guard? or do they see this coming? >> i think this team thought that when allen weisselberg got immunity from robert mueller. passing over those documents would protect him as ap an individual. and i think it was a tense time during the mueller probe and they knew that there were multiple investigations. but i think the idea of criminal charges is a huge blow. and is shocking, frankly, for this team. and they are enraged by it. and we will see.

there will be a lot of drama to be watching, in the coming days. >> i am sure there will be, as there always is. anna schecter, good to he so you once again. let's talk with my panel. glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor. david kay johnston, author of "the making of donald trump" and syracuse law lecturer. glenn, i am going to start with you on this one. i want to read for you from "the new york times'" piece. and they write this. trump's lawyers met on thursday with senior prosecutors in the district attorney's office in hopes of her sueding them to abandon any plan to charge the company according to several people familiar with this meeting. such meetings with routine in white-collar criminal investigations and it is unclear whether the prosecutors have made a final decision on whether to charge the trump organization. which has long denied wrongdoing. so i got two questions for you here, glen. first and foremost, how do they make that decision? and secondly, how do meetings like this go?

>> so first of all, yasmin, they make that decision based, solely, on the evidence and the law that applies to that evidence. but i will say, when you have these high-level meetings. particularly, when it involves a former president, his organization. i'm sure there was a battalion of lawyers there. and you are basically putting them on notice that your organization is likely to be indicted. i would find it shocking, if they then backtracked and we didn't see an indictment. there is no guarantee that the organization will be indicted. but this -- this seems to be the last step on the road to an indictment of the trump organization. >> david kay johnston, how lethal is this for the trump organization? >> well, the trump organization will have enormous difficulty signing any new contracts. so long has donald meets his servicing of his many loans, i don't think banks are likely to

foreclose. they are going to look at how much of our money are we going to be able to get back? but he is not going to be able to attain any new finance, whatsoever. and it may affect licenses he has for various kind of business, including liquor licenses at his establishments. so, we -- this is a very painful, troubling development to go after the trump organization. although, not the least bit unexpected. >> but i wonder, how it is, the former president would plan on paying some of these loans back, david cay, considering how highly leveraged he is from all the financial-disclosure documents that we have seen the reporting on his financial disclosures over the last couple of years? >> you know, billions and billions of dollars have flowed through donald trump's books. and he's always desperately short for cash and leverage. it -- it's like money flowing down the drain because you left the tap open. and absolutely, he's going to face serious problems. i just don't think his refinance

problems will be as soon as there is an indictment. they're likely to come a little further down the road. his immediate problems are more likely to be with any licenses that, particularly liquor licenses. in new york, he has one at trump tower. he's got liquor licenses at his west chester golf course, for example. things like that, those could be very troublesome for him. but in the long run, i don't know how he is going to refinance these properties that are underwater. >> is it unusual, glenn, to indict a company? >> you know, yeah. the -- the department of justice doesn't do it every day. state prosecutors' offices don't do it every day. but, you know, there certainly is precedent, including some high-profile precedent. if you remember the enron scandal in the early 2000s, the arthur anderson accounting firm was indicted for obstructing justice. the firm was convicted. and that resulted in the firm folding and that seems like it could be, you know, the -- the trump organization could suffer that same fate, as both david

and anna just sort of catalogued. the business difficulties that will come to the trump organization, as a result of a criminal indictment, are pretty consequential. but if i can add, there is one atmospheric consequence that i don't know that we have talked about. if the -- the former president's organization is indicted, i have a feeling that could impact the thinking of other prosecutorial offices that are considering indicting donald trump, himself. >> what do you mean? how? >> sure. the district attorney in fulton county, fanny william -- willis -- is investigating potential violations of georgia state election laws and, frankly, they have the evidence on a recorded phone call. and we also know that the department of justice has volume two of the mueller report. which documented several counts of potential obstruction of justice, for which bob mueller famously testified, donald trump could be indicted after he leaves office. this could break the floodgates

open, if the decision is made -- >> go ahead. >> no, so you are kind of -- for me, what i am hearing. i just want to understand what you are saying. this could kind of be seen as a domino effect. you are saying if the floodgates are then opened, you could see other people jumping on board? >> listen. there is probably great reluctance, among all prosecutorial offices to be the first one out of the indictment chute against a former president of the united states. so, if the manhattan district attorney's office and the grand jury, now sitting and hearing evidence, in this case, decides to take that first leap and indict the trump organization. i have to believe that will impact the considerations that other district attorneys, and other federal prosecutors are making every day. >> that's fascinating. david cay, is there a possibility, at all, that the idea of leveling these charges against the trump organization. indicting an overall organization is still an effort on the prosecutor's part, on cy

vance's part, to get allen weisselberg to flip on the former president? >> oh, i think, you are seeing prosecutors make it very clear to allen weisselberg that he wants to make his bed with donald trump, he is going to pay a very high price for this. and, by the way, i agree with glenn that i think there is a distinct possibility this will up the likelihood of other cases. the trump organization is donald trump. it's not like he owns 5% of it. he owns all of it. and going after allen weisselberg, at this point, who, presumably, is one of the people who will be indicted, is a way to send him a message. about it's going to be hard for you to break with this man, that you have been so loyal to. but, if you don't, we've got the goods on you, and you are going to pay an enormous price. >> david, are you -- are you surprised he hasn't broken, so far? because we have had numerous conversations leading up to this breaking news with various folks. even former-trump organization employees, who said that if allen weisselberg's family is, in fact, threatened. his son, specifically, right,

the manager of, i believe, the trump ice skating rink in central park. that allen weisselberg would have incentive to flip to protect his children. he hasn't, obviously, done that, up until this point. are you surprised about that? >> well, yasmin, he absolutely has made it very clear. he's, so far, made his bed with donald trump. will allen throw his children under the bus, his sons, if -- instead -- to show his loyalty to donald trump? we don't know, yet. but he is sure getting a very clear signal that he's not making the right choice, if that's what he does in terms of his personal liberty. so -- and i'm not surprised he's having a terrible time breaking with the trumps. he has been identified with them. he's been doing donald trump's dirty work going back, now, to the 1970s. he's wholly owned psychologically by donald trump. >> glenn, one, last question to you here as we await this

president's rally starting later on today. we know, this former president does not listen to his legal advisers if he is told not to talk about something. he has tweeted, numerous times, about things that he is probably not supposed to talk about. if, in fact, he mentions these possible charges on the rally stage. how could that affect the charges that may be leveled against him? or the organization, i should say, next week? >> donald trump is not the world's most circumspect man when he is speaking or tweeting or issuing statements. and his every word at these, you know, pep rallies that he is still holding. his every tweet. his every statement issued under his name is a potential admission by a party opponent. it could be used as evidence against him, if the prosecutors find that he says anything incriminating. or he says something, from which they can infer something incriminating. so that, alone, may be reason to

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miracle. i know my mom is a fighter. i know she loves us. >> at times, it's complete devastation. and then, you know, there is periods of disbelief. where you get a little calm. just saying, well, this didn't happen. it's impossible. >> what is on your heart right now? >> i mean, resignation. but just trusting in god that -- that any -- any miracle can occur. not only for me but for all the other families that are suffering the same. >> welcome back. that was just a small glimpse at the raw emotions of family members in surfside, florida, where the fate of nearly-160 people remains unknown. in what is now day three of a search for survivors in the collapse of the condominiums. rescuers are now battling fires, heat, and time, really, in their desperate search for life. i am joined, now, by north miami beach commissioner, fortuna, who is waiting to hear news on her friends. thanks for join us on this.

i really appreciate it. i am so sorry what you are having to deal with. the news is just so incredibly devastating as we await any kind of good news. how are you doing? >> i am doing good, thank you. and thank you for having me. and thank you for allowing all of us to share our stories. >> of course. that is our job. tell me about -- about the friends that you have inside this building that are missing right now. >> yes. they are an older couple. i have known her for -- since i was a little girl. our parents -- um -- my parents and her came down from cuba. where they're part of the -- we are part of the jewish-cuban community that came here to south florida in the '60s and '70s. i went to school with their daughters. i -- their oldest daughter and i have been in school together, elementary through the graduation of high school.

arnie was a beloved p.e. coach at one of the miami beach elementary schools. they're such a wonderful, happy couple. i mean, if you just look at that picture, that's them every single day. this isn't a pose for a picture. this is what they were like every single day. >> well, hope is still alive, as i was just speaking to dr. kavita patel in my last hour. there is the ability for folks to survive amidst the rubble, if they are able to find an air pocket. so, of course, everybody, holding out hope for any kind of good news. fortuna, did you ever visit them at their building in their apartment? >> i never visited them at their building. but i grew up just a mile from there. my kids grew up just a mile from there. i cannot tell you how many, countless times i have been in that building. i have been to parties at that building in the social room. >> were you at all -- did you, at all, have any times in which

you were visiting this building, that you kind of looked around and thought, huh, something's not right? did you ever have a sense that things seemed sort of dilapidated or there was any structural issues with the building when you would visit on these social occasions? >> i never saw that. and i mean, honestly, i'm not really qualified to -- to see that. it was one of the first, beautiful condominiums that went up 40 years ago when it was [ inaudible ]. >> are you, at all, worried for other folks in the area? the other building that is still standing? because of the structural issues that they have identified in this building. >> i am worried. there's another one next door to it that's the north tower, that was built shortly thereafter. but i'm -- i'm not just worried for that one. i'm -- i am worried for all of those buildings in south

florida. we need to make sure that they're -- they're all structurally safe. we have a 40-year recertification program that this building was being done, at this time. >> uh-huh. >> but i'm not sure 40 years is the right number. it, maybe, should be less? and that's something that, as commissioner, i am hoping that i can help change. >> all right. fortuna, we appreciate you joining us. i know these last couple of days have been heart wrenching and devastating for so many people. in your state. we are hoping and praying that good news does come, soon. we are hoping and praying for, of course, your friends and the friends and family members of all those missing. >> if i may, i jut want to say that our community has come together. police departments from all the different areas have come together.

[ inaudible ] everyone, thank you so much for all the work that is being done to -- to try to find someone. >> it is -- it is a domestic effort. and it is also becoming now an international effort as other countries step up. in helping find people beneath that rubble. fortuna, thank you. thanks for your time on this. we are going to have another live report from the scene of the collapse, coming up, in just a bit. as well. also, coming up. a whirlwind at the white house, as the president touts a bipartisan infrastructure agreement. but then, sets off fury amongst republicans in the deal. all, within a matter of moments. the administration is running damage control. but will it be enough? we are awaiting a new statement from the white house on this. hopefully, to get monica alba back with us. we will be right back. k.

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welcome back, everybody. we are following breaking news from washington, d.c. president just releasing a

statement clarifying language linking his bipartisan infrastructure deal. he received some backlash for initial comments about this deal. i want to break all this down with my panel, susan del percio, republican strategist. and juanita tolliver, democratic strategist. and anne gearan for "the washington post." so i actually want to read from the president's new statements so everybody is up to date on what, exactly, is happening. and i guess i can ad-lib in saying the president essentially saying, look, everybody knew my plan, right? that we were going to pass what we had negotiated with republicans. but yet, everybody knew i wanted to pass families plan or parts of the families plan through parts of reconciliation. but the bottom line is this. i gave my word to support the infrastructure plan and that's what i intend to do. i intend to pursue the d that's what i intend to do. i intend to pursue the age of that plan, which democrats and republicans agreed to on thursday, with vigor. it would be good for the economy, good for our people, i fully stand behind it without

reservation or hesitation. susan del percio, if you read through this entire statement. it is very long. he talks about the benefits of this infrastructure plan. he talks about the benefits, um, of passing parts of the family plan through reconciliation. and how he was clear about his plan, from the jump. do you think this is enough for republicans to stay on board? >> we'll see what he does. i mean, the -- the -- you have -- even at that press conference, the president had said it's not done, until it's done. right now, we have an agreement. can it fall apart? yes. and this is a very interesting way on how it's doing it. i don't know why he chose to marry the two. if they're going to do some of the non -- >> isn't he just being forthcoming? wasn't it just being forthcoming? or why he talked about it? which one is it? >> okay well, both, i think. joe biden is joe biden. he just kind of talks and says what's on his mind, for the most part.

but being, always, that forthcoming does leave him, sometimes, in a bit of a jam. and here's what it is. you can't say here is an infrastructure deal that's -- depends on the passage of something else. that is not the -- the true spirit of bipartisanship. but nor, did he have to say it, because here is the thing. they can have this bipartisan piece of hard infrastructure. they can get it passed. and they know reconciliation is coming, down the road. they don't need to do that in -- at the same time. it -- as a matter of fact, they may want to wait a little longer, traditionally, to get that part done. to let it cycle through so they can have two wins. but i do think he stepped in it quite a bit here. >> i do want to bring in monica alba who's been standing by at the white house for us to kind of clarify the president's statement and why it's being released at this moment. monica, bring us up to date. >> yasmin, you and i were just talking about this, last hour,

because we knew that feathers had been ruffled in republican circles. i think the important context here is, remember, that when the president was asked during this impromptu-press conference, after he struck the agreement. the question was framed as, do you agree with speaker nancy pelosi, who essentially drew that red line? of not signing the bipartisan framework, without having the reconciliation bill happening, in tandem. and the president said, yes. he sort of left it quite abrupt. and he said, in effect, he very clearly agreed with her. but what he is now trying to walk back here is the ultimatum aspect of all of this. and i am going to read you just a small part of the statement because i think this is the key and crux of the issue for him. because he is, now, saying, in this statement, which we should point out, is in his name. released while he is at camp david for the weekend. he is not here at the white house. my comments during that press conference, we just mentioned, created the impression i was issuing a veto threat on the very plan i had just agreed to,

which was certainly not my intent. so, to be clear, our bipartisan agreement does not preclude republicans from attempting to defeat my families plan. likewise, they should have no objections to my devoted efforts to pass that families plan and other proposals in tandem. we will let the american people and congress decide. so, this is the whole thing that the white house is really trying to do in parallel. they want the american jobs plan, which is the more-traditional infrastructure. and then, they want the families plan, which is the more, so-called, human infrastructure. everything from childcare to elder care. to really be a part of this reconciliation process, which does not involve republicans. but he did alienate some of these really critical gop voices by saying that because it didn't then give them a lot of motivation to, necessarily, continue. even though the president, according to aides, does believe both sides are, still, negotiating in good faith. but the other, new piece of this, yasmin, which i just learned from a white house official, is the president is going to be traveling, starting on tuesday, to wisconsin.

to try to really tout the benefits he sees, economically, of this bipartisan framework. so they are going to hit the road, almost immediately. we knew it was going to happen in the next couple of weeks but it's just going to be a couple of days from now. because they do feel this urgency. and they want to be crystal clear that he is very happy about this initial part. he is going to let the other process play out, as well. but now, he is not linking them, as explicitly, as he did a couple of days ago. >> juanita, it's obvious the president wants accountability here, right? because, you know, some would argue why did the president even hold a press conference about this until they got this thing actually signed? right? why did he have to announce kind of victory before victory was -- was even happening. i won the house, i bought the house, the house is mine. but wait, we haven't closed on it. and anybody knows who has bought any kind of property or home, that things can go wrong up until the very last day of the closing date. but that's even as you listen to monica talk about the president's trip to wisconsin. again, it is about accountability.

getting americans on board for this bipartisan deal. the more republicans are held accountable for the agreements they have made with democrats on getting the infrastructure bill through. the more likely it is to happen. >> yasmin, that's exactly right. and so, coming out, making this public. just like we've seen every-other breakdown in negotiations publicly displayed. he wanted that same energy put into this moment because this is a big moment for him. it's a big-bipartisan agreement. it's -- it's the reunification themes that he -- he touted on the campaign trail. and it's something that i think that republicans were excited so celebrate, too. because this bill, even on its own, would be i think the single-largest investment in infrastructure in modern history. and so, republicans are, still, very much, excited about this, even though they're himming right now. especially, republican negotiators because "the washington post" reported, on friday, that, in their conference call. folks like mitt romney were

saying all right. we just want to separate the two. can you just separate the two? and the white house has just delivered that statement. and so, it shows that biden is absolutely going to see this through. but the other thing about why he felt the need to even make that statement about connecting the two. i think it was reassurance to progressives that this is not the only one. this is -- there is more coming related to childcare. related to investments and healthcare workers, homecare workers. and he wanted to make that explicitly clear because you have progressives in the party who were potentially going to hold up other operations to make sure that something else came through, yasmin. >> and -- and -- and -- and the president, also, was kind of understandably still bipartisan and gentle even in the statement, right? he didn't necessarily draw a hardline. even in issuing this statement, in a way, he was kind of reaching out an olive branch to the republicans and saying, look, i kind of understand why you feel the way you feel because of what i said at one point. he said that statement understandably upset some

republicans who do not see the two plans as linked. they are hoping to defeat my family plans. and he goes on to say, at one point, which -- part of which monica read, which was he said that was certainly not my intent to have kind of this veto threat. >> yeah. yasmin, this is a pretty extraordinary development, really. it's an eight-paragraph clarification, cleanup on aisle nine apology. it's pretty remarkable. and the white house had hoped that by what jen psaki said on -- on friday during -- during the white house press briefing. that they had blunted the criticism from republicans, and were -- and could hold the deal together. a lot of white house aides did a lot of work on the telephone, on friday, trying to -- to, you know, make sure that they explain this to republicans. they also, at the same time, were having to explain it to a lot of democrats, as well. and, you know, i think that it

was clear to the white house, by this morning, that those efforts and jen psaki's efforts to -- to kind of soften what the president had said, without contradicting him. that those things weren't going to be enough. and that was what was going to be needed was for the president to speak, himself. i would say that it's pretty -- even so, it's pretty remarkable that that came in -- in the form of a very long, and pretty detailed, and as you suggest, quite generous statement. that really kind of, you know, puts the republicans. and so, i get it. i understand you guys are mad and i am going to try to fix it. >> yeah, monica alba, any -- any reporting? any indication, as to whether or not the president actually made some -- some phone calls to some of these folks to clarify what he meant, when he was in the middle of that press conference? >> well, we know yesterday he did speak with kyrsten sinema of arizona. that is a call the white house read out and remember we were struck by how many times in it, it said the word reiterate.

the president reiterated to the senator that this was his plan, all along. to pursue the bipartisan framework and the reconciliation package, in tandem. and that the senator agreed. she was pleased with that. so they were trying to kind of send some of these signals that it wasn't just the top-white house aides making a lot of these calls. we know they spent much of yesterday working the phones. exactly, as anne just mentioned. but the president was also a part of it. today, we've asked how much he spent really working on this. we know he's been continually briefed on the miami-condo collapse. while he has been at camp david. he always traveling with a small complement of at least a national-security person who can brief him. but in terms of what he is doing behind the scenes on infrastructure. i think it's very fair to assume he's been working the phones today. but we don't have any quite calls to announce, yet, at this time, yasmin, though. >> susan del percio, last question to you, here. and it's this. what does this do for any efforts the president has in getting, for instance, h.r. 4 bipartisan deal passed or

legislation passed with republicans or police reform considering, kind of, the back and forth with this bipartisan infrastructure legislation that has, obviously, gone way beyond the deadline the president had, initially, placed. which, i believe, was memorial day weekend. >> yeah. there is going to be some space for more reforms, if they get just the hard-infrastructure package passed. there is no doubt because i think that will start moving, as you said, in the accountability area. you know, moving the needle to where some people will want to be more bipartisan. but, you know, i just want to go back to something, real quick, about what juanita said. it's not just the progressives in the senate. it's nancy pelosi made that statement because she's having a heck of a time in the house getting the progressives to sign onto having this all happen, together. and i think that may have been, really, the bigger problem is in the house right now on -- on where this stands. >> and interestingly enough, even in the statement, the president addressing some of the -- the progressives in the

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at the reunification center. this is a hotel in which families of these 159 individuals who are unaccounted for have been moved to. one time in the morning, one time in the evening is the routine officials have set up for providing briefings. the hoping is that there is potentially more bodies that have been recovered because it has been 35 hours since the last body was recovered from the scene. i want to set up where you are because right across the street is where that reunification center is. this is collins avenue, which is the main food and dining, hotel strip here in the miami-beach area. just .7 miles down the way, less than a mile from here, is where that building collapse, where that condominium collapse took place. so the folks here, the families that are here at this unification center, all they have to do is walk out onto the street here and they can see the remnants, from afar, of where that building collapse took place. and the rubble where they hope their family members are still surviving here, at this hour. yasmin. >> all right. vaughn hillyard, thanks for that update. appreciate it, my friend.

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welcome back, everybody. derek chauvin is now serving his 22 1/2-year sentence for murdering george floyd. he could be facing a civil rights case. in an emotional moment in the courtroom, george floyd's

brother, terrence, addressed chauvin directly. >> i wanted to know from the man himself why. what were you thinking? what was going through your head when you had your knee on my brother's neck? >> in a video played in court also, george floyd's 7-year-old daughter, gianna, said he misses her dad and asks about him all the time. >> i want to play with him, have fun, go on a plane ride. >> yeah. >> we used to have dinner meals every single time before we went to bed. my daddy always used to help me brush my teeth. >> if you could say anything to your daddy right now, what would

it be? >> it would be i miss you and i love you. >> he would never be able to walk gianna down the aisle at her wedding, attend those magical moments of her life like a daddy-daughter dancer sweet 16 party, seeing her out for prom, graduations. >> so emotional to see that little girl. i miss you and i love you. prosecutors asked for 30 years in prison. once the 22 1/2-year sentence was announced, here's how his younger brother, rodney, reacted. >> this right here, this 22-year sentence they gave this man, it's a slap on the wrist. we suffered a life sentence of not having him in our life and that hurts me to death. >> i want to bring in a professor at st. thomas university of law and tara brown, also george floyd's cousin and director. george floyd foundation. tara, we don't have a ton of time. i wish we had more time. i want to know how your family is doing today.

>> we're -- we're doing okay in spite of everything we've gone through throughout this journey. we're hanging in there. >> have they had an opportunity to digest the sentencing of chauvin at this point? >> for the most part we have. you know, obviously we were disappointed that we wanted the maximum for him because we feel we've received the maximum punishment from, you know, losing george in our lives. but yeah, we've digested it pretty much and we understand although we want the maximum, this is still -- we understand that this is a win because this is the very first time that any police officer has been convicted and charged and

actually received a 22 1/2-year sentence in the state of minnesota. >> the maximum of his sentence for his daughter who is now going to grow up without a father who misses and loves him very much. rachel, i want to play for you some sound from dray blackwell, the lead prosecutor who was on my colleague, lawrence o'donnell's, show. >> my reaction was a sense of peace, lawrence. i suppose a sense that had a measure of justice obtained. as you know, it's difficult to convict a police officer in the first place. >> it was a feeling that we had achieved a measure of justice. no number is going to quite capture the enormity of the loss that's felt by the floyd family or, frankly, the enormity of this case. >> rachel, they sought 30 and got 22 1/2. what do you make of it?

>> let me express my condolences to the brown family and thank you for your courage, and thank you, yasmin, for making sure survivors are heard. i understand why many are disappointed with this sentence given that the judge himself in his written order emphasized the cruelty that derek chauvin manifested towards mr. floyd, and the fact that he refused chance after chance to show mr. floyd just basic human decency led a lot of us to believe that the state's recommendation, closer to 30 years, would be accepted. i do think it's worth emphasizing that we're still in the process of becoming a culture that recognizes the value of african-american life, and the sentence that the judge imposed in this case was significantly higher than the presumptive range and it was double the sentence of any other police officer in this state convicted for the murder of a civilian. >> we hope your right, rachel. that change is, in fact, on the

horizon. we sure hope you're right. thank you to you both. "politicsnation," by the way, is going to continue this conversation in just a couple minutes when reverend al sharpton is joined by george floyd's brother, philonise floyd, and the floyd attorney, ben crump. i'm yasmin vossoughian. i'll be back in the chair tomorrow 3:00 p.m. eastern. the rev and "politicsnation" starts right now. good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lede, crimes and punishments. right now we're not questioning if justice was done, but how much of it, as former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin begins his nearly 23-year prison sentence handed down friday for the murder of george floyd. it's been met