five people now confirmed dead in the tragic collapse of the 12-story champlain towers south high-rise in surfside, florida. 156 people remain unaccounted for. and despite the disaster, residents of the adjacent building champlain towers north are not under evacuation orders. officials are holding two briefings this morning at 10:00 a.m. and 11:00 a.m. but before that the surfside mayor, charles burkett, joins the show later this hour with the scene from where the investigation is underway. the trump organization could be criminally charged in a case the trump attorneys say is tied to tax-related conduct. as for the former president himself, he was back on the trail last night in ohio for a rally for a primary opponent of republican congressman anthony gonzalez who voted to impeach trump on the january 6th insurrection. as is his status quo, the disgraced former president's

rambling remarks were littered with lies, with hatred, with racism and fear mongering. it comes as the first member of the oathkeepers has pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges relating to the january 6th attack on the capitol. one other member of the extremist group has pleaded guilty to nonconspiracy charges. and so far 16 members of the oath keepers have been charged. following republican opposition and a blockage of a bipartisan independent january 6th commission, house speaker nancy pelosi has agreed that she is creating a select committee to investigate the attack. it is unknown at this time who will be on that committee. it's not a permanent committee. it's therefore a specific time. meanwhile, president biden is heading to wisconsin on tuesday to promote the just announced bipartisan infrastructure package, although the status of that fragile bill was thrown into chaos following a biden blunder. joining me now is the white house correspondent for nbc news

my colleague. it looks like a bipartisan agreement for a very important and big bill. >> it absolutely speaks to the tenuous nature of all of this. and i think that's what we can expect for this entire summer as they continue to negotiate these two bills on two tracks. just as quickly as the president was celebrating the fact they had this agreement outside the west wing here, then he made that comment about an hour later. that really upset some republicans. the white house went into damage control on friday trying to quietly behind the scenes make calls to all of the senators including of course those gop lawmakers who expressed concerns but also to some democrats who said, wait a second, are we definitely linking these two things? that really may put everything in peril. but that was clearly not enough. we know the president himself was even working the phones on friday speaking with senator sinema and reiterating that he did want to see both of these things happen in tandem, as he said. so that's why yesterday the white house felt they really

needed to clean this up releasing that eight-paragraph statement in the president's own words saying, i want to be very clear here, i didn't mean to issue a veto threat, but i do still want to see the democrats pursue the larger more encompassing bill while working on the bipartisan framework and in order to try to really calm these tensions, he did tell these republicans in this statement, i'm also going to go sell this directly to the public so that they are assured he is fully behind it and that will start tuesday with a speech in wisconsin, as you mentioned. >> monica, thank you for joining us this morning. she'll follow this story very closely for us. i'm joined by democratic senator alex padilla of california. he's a member of several senate committees including judiciary, homeland security and environment and public works. and before becoming a senator in january of this year he served as california secretary of state which is uniquely important as we deal with these voting issues in this country. senator, good to see you. thank you for joining us this

morning. >> good morning, ali. good to be back with you. >> let's talk about this deal, this infrastructure deal. i've spoken to a couple of democrats this morning who say too much of a compromise, why are we even compromising on these things, given that they get watered down and then republicans take credit for doing it, and two years from now no one's going to remember that it was a bipartisan deal. where do you stand on this? >> look, all the more reason why it needs to be followed up with this reconciliation package. the second of the two parts that does go much bigger, does go much bolder and is more comprehensive in its approach to investing in our nation's infrastructure. president biden's been clear about that, so has leader schumer, speaker pelosi, and the vast majority of the american people understand about needing to invest more in infrastructure, not less. this should come as no surprise to anybody. >> so your view is that we could do both of these things. you can get this infrastructure bill that republicans want,

which is more of what we traditionally think of as infrastructure building roads, things like that, and that the other matters that are of concern to democrats and progressive democrats and americans according to polling can be done separately. >> absolutely. and even the senate parliamentarian gave the green light for using the reconciliation process. for all the people who say why can't congress work on a bipartisan basis, we're happy to. it's frankly republicans that haven't really reciprocated very much particularly this year. but if they're willing to say some elements of the infrastructure package, that's fine. but we're not just going to settle to what mitch mcconnell and senate republicans agree to. needs are much bigger not just in transportation, water systems, the electrical grid, broadband groimt.

if there's another element that i would love to see and work to include in the reconciliation package, immigration reform. we've seen during the course of the pandemic how essential workers are critical to the economy with more than 5 million undocumented immigrants working as government-recognized essential workers that were essential long before the pandemic, they've been essential during the pandemic, and it's time that we treat them as such. >> but this is the thing i've always been confused about in the united states not coming from the united states. i got to america and realized that immigration is this overwhelming preoccupation with the southwestern border. it's not actually immigration policy. it's southwestern border security policy, which is not unimportant at all. but what you've lost is the idea to be able to say, hey, this is america, we have a low

replacement rate for workers, we constantly need to be on the lookout for more workers across this country at every skill level. but we've lost sight of that. >> yeah. i think there's two different things. number one, a recognition that millions and millions of undocumented immigrants that have been living in the united states for some time now, adults on average have been here 18 years working, paying taxes, contributing to the economy, a very different group of people than young family or an unaccompanied minors that might've reached the southern border last month seeking asylum. that too needs to be addressed. well, let's not conflate the two. to my republican colleagues who are part of this discussion about immigration reform. so many of them willing to share privately how necessary immigrants are, whether it's agriculture, meat processing, the hospitality industry or others can't bring themselves to

say yes to a responsible, thoughtful comprehensive package on immigration reform. so if this reconciliation package creates an opportunity, you better believe we're going to jump at it. >> senator, i'm going to have to call you back to have a conversation on a bill that you and another senator put forward about lead-free drinking water to replace every lead service line in this country. i'm in south florida dealing with this building collapse, and i think we have to quite seriously take note of the fact that there's stuff that needs to be fixed in order for us to live in the future. senator alex padilla is the senator from california. joining me now is republican congressman of new york. representative, good to have you back here on the show. i appreciate it. you are supportive of this bipartisan infrastructure deal. you're seeing it as some

progress that we were actually able to take something that, in my opinion, isn't all that partisan and make it bipartisan. >> well, great to be back, ali. and, yes, the problem solvers actually is supportive of the framework, the definition of what's being done here, the 29 republicans, 29 democrats came out in support of pushing the plan forward. we had not had a formal briefing on the agreed-upon deal. we're getting that some time next week. where i imagine then we will be voting it on a problem solvers caucus to see whether or not we are going to push ahead. we have to go over the pay force. we have to go over the changes in the numbers that we pushed. but we are very happy. i'm a member of the working group on the infrastructure deal. we worked very hard on coming together on a good definition, on numbers. so now we want to look at what came out of the white house, and we're going to have that discussion this week and

hopefully we can move forward in a bipartisan way. infrastructure should be bipartisan. >> i agree with you wholly. so should this matter of how we look into january 6th. now that nancy pelosi has announced that there will be a bipartisan select committee in congress, what she seems to be looking for and officer michael finone seems to be looking for is a commitment to have people sit on that committee, republicans, so that it's actually bipartisan, but not go down this road of conspiracy theorists who are not trying to get to the bottom of what really happened on january 6th. what would your recommendation be to the republican leader as to how to populate the republican side of that committee? >> well, i think the first thing that we need to know is what the breakdown of the committee is going to be. is it going to be 50/50? i think the commission bill that was voted on a couple weeks ago, the bipartisan commission bill, i think that would be great framework for the select committee if it couldn't be passed by law, then speaker pelosi should move ahead that

way. but before, i wouldn't know what to recommend to leader mccarthy until we can see the breadth of the commission, how many members are on it, how many republicans, how many democrats, is it evenly split? what are the powers, how long does it last for? i would really like to see the details before i can recommend what to do. but i would like it that we should be able to look into this and make sure that what happened that day doesn't happen again. there was a lot of screw ups i think the day before. i don't think there was enough police presence. the capitol police did everything they could that day to protect us. why was every entrance in the capitol complex open on january 6th? we knew that there was going to be a large presence of protesters in the capitol. we knew that. our staff was told to work from home the day before. so why was -- we need to look into all these issues and find

out, okay, this is what happened on january 6th, this is how we can prepare so this doesn't happen again. i think that should be really what the commission looks into. >> do you want to know the truth if you have colleagues in congress who had ties to extremist groups or may have been involved in that planning? >> i want to know the truth about what happened that day and whether or not -- make sure it doesn't happen again. the vice president, the speaker of the house and the senate pro tem, the second, third, and fourth in line to the presidency were in that building that day and it was easily breached. i want to know how that doesn't happen again. that's the number one issue, how do we stop that from happening again? >> would you serve on this committee if you were asked? >> i would serve on the committee. i highly doubt that i would be asked being there for only five months. but i would serve in the capacity that leader mccarthy asked me, yes. >> good to see you again

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as the search and rescue mission in surfside, florida, enters its fourth day, hope of finding survivors is dimming by the hour at 10:00 and 11:00 eastern this morning local officials will hold news conferences to update the situation. late yesterday officials confirmed they have found a fifth dead body in the wreckage of the collapsed condo and that 156 people still remain unaccounted for. the past few days have been especially tough for friends and family of potential victims. this video was tweeted out surfside mayor charles burkett can be found comforting the family of one woman who is still

missing. they are trying to keep the faith that they will be found. charles burkett, the mayor of surfside joins us now. mayor burkett, thank you for joining us. of course our condolences continue to go out to the community. you do point out, you are making the point that people have been found in disasters like this after a week. so as far as you're concerned, hope still has to triumph anything else. >> there's no giving up of hope at all. last night i sent mayor cava an outline on the time line where people have survived in collapses like this. it's just over 17 days so we're just getting started. >> i'm sorry to interrupt you. there's a building attached to this building. you've drawn a lot of attention to this. there's a fully standing building next to the building that came down. there's damage to that building.

it is not under evacuation orders. i would assume that the residents of the fully standing building have left out of fear, but there's not an official evacuation order. and you've asked mayor cava and the governor to consider that. >> you're conflating two different buildings. the building with the collapse is completely evacuated and completely empty. as a matter of fact, we were told it was in imminent danger of collapsing. we were told to back up. and, at the same time, search and rescue charged and pulled additional people out. so, that's number one we've got heroes on our hands, but there will be another day to recognize heroes. we've got a sister building that's a block north. it's built by the same contractor at the same time with the same plans probably with the same materials. buildings in america do not fall down like this. we need to understand why this

building fell down. something was very, very wrong. and yesterday we had our surfside official go through the other building to do a cursory walkthrough to ensure that there wasn't anything glaring jumping out. residents have said to me they're afraid to stay in that building because we don't know why this first one fell down. they're concerned there could be a problem with the other. so in abundance of caution i reached out to senator scott and dade county mayor cava and voiced my concerns about this. they concurred we have advised the condominium that they should probably allow people -- well, at least notice people that they can leave if they want to because, if you ask me, to stay in that building overnight until we do, the deep dive into the structural components, i don't think i'd be comfortable staying in that. >> i appreciate you clearing this up because i was wondering why there would be people the adjacent building.

you're talking about a building one block north of there, same contractor, same vintage. because we don't know what the problems are in this building you're suggesting the evacuation of that building. that's good information to have. >> it's an identical building, and the building that you're showing on your screen right now is the champlain towers south. the building that we're discussing is champlain towers north. and it just got cut off before we saw that champlain towers north. >> got it. let me ask you about the fact that mayor cava, the miami-dade mayor said within 30 days buildings 40 years or older in the county are going to be audited. what do you believe that to mean? >> i believe they are prudent steps. given what we've seen here, this is a black swan event, it's something that we didn't ever expect to happen. and obviously it's our duty to

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cuba is facing its worst covid-19 outbreak since the pandemic began. the average number of daily new infections has surpassed 1,700 in recent days. the soaring infections are likely due to the low vaccination rate on the island. only about 8% of its population

has been fully vaccinated. the country has declined to import foreign vaccines, but it does have a seemingly successful drug of its own in the works. the cuban government says its three-dose abdallah vaccine is 92% effective against coronavirus. after regulatory authorization, a quick rollout is expected to vaccinate 70% of cubans by august. however, cuba says its ability to properly tackle covid has been significantly diminished by the decades-old trade embargo by the united states, saying it has cost the country $9 billion in just the last year. this comes as the united nations voted on wednesday on a resolution to end the nearly 60-year-old embargo for the 29th consecutive year. 184 countries voted in favor of it. two voted against it. the united states and israel. i'm joined by the cuban ambassador to the united nations. mr. ambassador, thank you for

being with the resolution in the united nations. you had 50 plus speeches in favor of lifting the embargo. this vote has happened for 29 years. typically an overwhelming majority of members of the united nations vote in favor of it. but the united nations, the united states even in the warmest moments in the last few years between the u.s. and cuba has not ever voted in favor of that resolution. at best the u.s. has abstained. >> thank you very much for having me. as you said, last june the joint general assembly for the 29th consecutive time calling the u.s. members about the financial embargo on cuba. and i should say that this is the most comprehensive set of economic that any country has suffered in the world.

and it has more implications and impact in the whole of the cuban economy and particularly for the cuban people. >> well, we had some years ago an attempt under the obama administration to lighten the load of some of those restrictions. that of course disappeared with the trump administration. now that you've got the biden administration involved and a vice president who was -- a president who was the vice president at the time, what do you know about american intentions around relieving cuba of some of these sanction? >> i'd just say that former president trump, intending to restrict travel by u.s. citizens to cuba, to damage tourist market in certain countries. he persecuted the health services that cuba provided to a number of countries abroad.

and persecuted cuba commercial and financial sectors in the world. also he provided a huge to funding to cuba producing a very large blow to private workers in the island. so all this has tremendous impact on the economy in the country. coming back to what you say, all those adopted by the trump administration are in place. somehow shapen their behavior of the u.s. administration. they have said that they are reviewing the policy towards cuba. we don't know what would be the pace of -- what would be the scope of that review, the important thing is that all those policies introduced by the former president trump, all those are in place, producing

huge damage on our people. >> let me ask you about the abdallah vaccination. it's 92.28% effective against coronavirus. only 8% of cubans have been vaccinated. why have you not agreed to accept other vaccines for dissemination to the cuban population? >> the very deep limitations that cuba has particularly because of the embargo for acquiring medicine and other stuff related to healthcare on the island. and also it's important to highlight that there is an important background for the development of these vaccines in cuba. it's not out of -- cuba has

important vaccines. there has been a huge investment in the country in the area of bio technology and genetic engineering. cuba has a pharmaceutical industry of class level. and all of that has to do with investment. -- that the future of cuba would have to be a future of men and women of sciences. the outcome of all that very important investment in the scientific sector of the country. we are developing our own vaccines.

we are developing five vaccine candidates. two of them are quite advanced, as you mentioned. for example, abdala with 92%. -- has been given at least one dose of those vaccines. and after the cuban agency -- the one that is ready. maybe in a few weeks it's there. but everything is set for the agency to provide emergency use of abdala.

and then we are expecting that by august we can have a much wider percent of the population vaccinated. and we can have the entire population vaccinated. >> well, then let's talk in august and see how that's going. we hope that you succeed into getting 70% or plus of the population vaccinated. thank you for taking time to join us. msnbc is marking the culmination of pride month with a special report focused on lgbtq officials who work in the biden administration. one of those people none other than pete buttigieg. he offered a touching message as he reflected on life as a young teen who was not ready to come out. that's ahead.

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weekend of pride month. the party already got started in new york yesterday with several events taking place. thousands more people are expected to hit the streets this afternoon. remember, this is extra pride because last year everybody had to stay home. yesterday more than 4,000 runners participated in the 6k pride run in manhattan's central park. it was the largest new york roadrunners race held since the pandemic began. the first active nfl player carl nassib came out as a gay man creating a milestone in men's professional sports and increasing visibility of gay athletes. despite the openness that we are seeing these days, our country still has a long way to go in terms of tolerance and acceptance. to that end, my friend jonathan capehart sat down with a handful of biden administration officials, all of whom identify as lgbtq, to discuss the challenges of being lgbtq at the highest levels of government and how they would advise their own younger selves. here's a portion of jonathan's interview with the u.s. transportation secretary and former presidential candidate

pete buttigieg. >> what would you tell your 13-year-old self? if you could turn back time -- [ laughter ] what would you tell yourself? >> i guess, hang in there. i mean, at 13, i was beginning to understand that i was different -- no, not understand. i was beginning to perceive that i was different and not understand. and the understanding that i had to gather was the task of years and years. and, i guess, it would've been nice to hear there's nothing wrong with you, just hang in there. but, you know, things worked out great for me.

i know not every teen who's realizing that they're different can say that. and so what i really want is 13-year-old pete came out all right. i want to make sure 13-year-old whoever you are out there knows to hang in there. not saying it will be easy, but there's a lot of people rooting for you, including the president and people like me. >> it's a great interview. in fact, the full-length interview and several more are part of an msnbc special hosted by jonathan. "pride of the white house" which airs tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern. also jonathan capehart joins me now because in addition to hosting tonight's special, he is, as always, the host of "the sunday show" on msnbc which starts in about 20 minutes. what do you got, jonathan? >> thanks so much, ali. i'm really excited about this special, not only do we talk to secretary buttigieg, but you'll also hear really personal reflections from assistant secretary of health dr. rachel

levine, the out transgender person confirmed in the senate. and ned price, spokesperson for the state department. and reggie greer. i hope everyone will tune in for "pride of the white house" at 10:00 p.m. but, ali, first thing this morning on "the sunday show." i'm talking to congresswoman karen bass about that long-sought deal on police reform. also here will be simone sanders, senior adviser and communications director to vice president kamala harris about her trip, about the vice president's trip to the southern border. so, as always, ali, a full morning and evening ahead for me. >> yeah, it's a long day for you but really looking forward to it. it airs tonight 10:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. what a thing, the names that jonathan was just talking about celebrating as lgbtq people, the

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everything. it was seen by 250 snapchat friends including some fellow cheer leaders. what she thought would only be an expressive photo ended up eliminating her from the junior varsity team as well. the supreme court took levy's side in an 8-1 ruling that the school district infringed on her first amendment rights and that she shouldn't have been punished for the post. joining me now, a columnist on the "the boston globe," and the editor-at-large at the 19th. both are msnbc contributors and great friends of the show. kimberly, let's start with you. we're all first amendment folks here. but you're a lawyer as well. this was not a terribly surprising opinion by the supreme court. it was thought to go her way. what was surprising is that it was 8-1. >> yes. in this case -- on the one hand the supreme court has been very

protective of the first amendment, whether it involves free expression or free religious exercises. it's a very pro first amendment protection court. this was also a case where the facts were really strongly on the side of the cheer leaders. so much so that the conclusion, as you said, was foregone. but what stephen bryer, the author of this opinion, really did was took a common sense approach that really alayed the fears by some that a ruling for a cheeder would hamstring schools in their efforts to punish students who are disruptive, punish episodes like cyberbullying. but it's clear in this case. the school sent a snap from a convenience store outside the school expressing the kind of expressions that teenagers express. that school should be teaching and really underscored the importance of the first amendment in democracy and

saying that this should be a lesson to students in what the constitution is all about. >> erin, places have rules. workplaces have rules, schools have rules. i don't swear all that much, my parents watch this show so i don't really swear at all. but we do have -- we do worry about the fact that does a school control what people do in social media? do workplaces control what people do in social media? it's an interesting question because many of our workplaces have rules about the fact that what you do on social media is an extension of you and perhaps your workplace's brand, except we do so much on social media that at some point do those necessary rules start to infringe upon our rights? the supreme court says they shouldn't. >> the first amendment doesn't stop once you get to the internet, once you get to snapchat. it still applies even online. now, look, think what you want about a 14-year-old dropping

f-bombs. who among us has not been frustrated about not making the cheer squad and maybe wanted to express that, whether it was at the coco hut or on snapchat. but the bottom line is the supreme court decided was that, you know, that is protected free speech. while her own life was disrupted, there were consequences for her. she was off the squad for a year. she wasn't allowed to cheer for a year. and so the school did take action against her. but cannot take the action of really censoring her because that was not disruptive to the entire school. it was certainly disruptive to that young woman for that year of her life that she could not do something that she loved. but at the end of the day, this was a really important decision especially for young people. you know, think what you will about a 14-year-old using profanity. certainly i was not dropping

f-bombs, at least not in public anywhere at 14, but that doesn't mean that she should be censored. and even that is protected under the first amendment. >> right. the thing about the first amendment, doesn't matter whether you like what she said. whether she had the right to say it. i want to come back and have a conversation with you that i did not think we were going to have in 2021, whether people know the difference between birth control and abortion. stick around nor that conversation after the break. erk ♪ ♪ breeze drifting on by you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ it's a new dawn... ♪ if you've been taking copd sitting down, it's time to make a stand. start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy helps people breathe easier and improves lung function. it also helps prevent future flare-ups. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler

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all right. back with me now to continue the discussion, kimberly atkins, columnist for the boston globe, erin haines, editor at large. there is a conversation going on in missouri about birth control. it is -- it does seem to be an extension of a conversation about abortion rights, except that we seem to have crossed the line and a bunch of dudes in the

missouri legislature do not seem to understand the distinction between abortion and i.u.d.s and birth control. it seems to me a logical extension. people who don't want there to be abortion rights don't even seem to want people to have access to birth control. little contrary in my mind, but seems to be confusing for legislators in missouri. >> ali, i don't think they're confused at all. i think that you have republicans at the state level, once again, trying to find -- trying to create a solution in search of a problem. listen, a couple of things just to reiterate for people. medicaid does not currently pay for abortions, so them saying that it is necessary to cut funding -- you know, make sure that medicaid isn't funding abortions is really a false narrative that we need to continue to strike down and call out and remind people that is not actually what is happening.

taxpayers are not funding abortions in this country through medicaid. and the other thing to keep in mind is that planned parenthood is performing services beyond abortion. this was a bill that would have targeted planned parenthood, but planned parenthood provides a lot of reproductive services for women who are in need of them and do not have access to those services through other means. and so, you know, at least at this point the legislature has decided against proceeding with that legislation. it looks like that may be something that doesn't happen by the end of this legislative session. but please know that this is absolutely a reproductive justice issue that happens in statehouses across the country, not just in missouri. pretty much annually this is something that legislatures look to take up to really restrict access to reproductive services

for women under the guise of abortion rights. >> that's a big piece of clarification here, kimberly, that for people who think this is about abortion and only abortion and protection of a life and when life starts, what erin is pointing out is what's happening in the missouri statehouse and in other places is a discussion about something else. it's about reproductive rights, it's about women, reproductive justice. claire mccaskill, former senator tweeted, update, missouri jefferson men spent the day figuring out how iuds work and labeling all women that have them. >> you have men discussing reproductive rights, although i agree with erin, they know what they're doing politically. they have no idea what they're talking about regarding reproductive health.

there are a lot of things that are contraceptives. contra exception devices including iuds that are health care. they are given to women for hormonal disorders, things like pcos, really debilitating illnesses these are treatments for. to ban that, particularly for poorer women who would be under medicaid would really be devastating for their health. meanwhile, not only are abortions not able to be paid for by medicaid funds or any federal funds. right now in missouri as they debate this in the capital, every woman would have to go hundreds of miles away because there's only one abortion provider in the entire state and that is in st. louis, so they have done pretty much all they possibly can to make abortion out of reach for many women in that state, yet they are going further now, attacking things that can be called birth control, attacking health care. i think you are only going to see more of this as we move forward. >> what surprised me is separate

references to iuds in the news this week. britney spears made a statement this week which, you know, people sort of know she's got issues controlling her own stuff. she's under conservatorship. she said, she is quoted as saying, i was told right now in the conservatorship i'm told i'm not able to get married or have a baby. i have an iud so i don't get pregnant. i wanted to take the iud out so i could start trying to have another baby. but this so-called team won't let me go to the doctor to take it out. so basically this conservatorship is doing me way more harm than good. i am fascinated by that, kimberly, that somebody can dictate whether a woman has an iud. >> if that is true that is absolutely horrifying and shows why there has been a poor conservatorship laws. these are done state by state. once somebody is under

conservatorship it is difficult to get out of it. i think the britney spears case is an example of that, that she is allowed to perform, do residencies in vegas and perform hundreds of shows and cut albums. she's responsible enough to do that, but not responsible enough to make her own reproductive choices. i think this is really bringing this issue to light on the issue of conservatorship abuse which is essentially she is alleging that happens not just to pop stars, but people with disability, people who are elderly. so hopefully this leads to some reforms of those laws. >> erin, again, i'm just dumfounded by this. i didn't think, and i've got to assume at some point some court will strike this down and say, you can have issues about whether you believe you are deemed to have authority over britney spears's assets, i'm not sure that's valid. but over her body? >> ali, i'm so glad you're highlighting this. this should be alarming to every woman in this country and everybody who knows a woman in this country. >> every human, exactly.

>> this is a disability rights issue, a reproductive rights issue, this is a mental health issue. britney spears is somebody who is famous, who is wealthy and who is white. and so obviously her privilege and who she is, this country knows about her situation at this point. but think about the women who are marginalized, black and brown women who are certainly also much more vulnerable than she and whose cases we don't know about that this issue raises. i hope this is a conversation that continues regardless of the outcome for britney spears. but this is a very important conversation and we need to keep having. >> regardless of outcome, regardless of who you are, this is a basic rights issue. thanks to the both of you for being with us for this conversation. kimberly atkins and erin haines, editor at large. thank you for joining me, velshi

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