and now the surfside mayor, charles burkett. >> i just have a handful of things i want to share with you. first, this morning i was at the site and i observed hundreds of search and rescue people actively using their hands, digging out and doing what they're here to do. i also observed the heavy equipment that the governor and the federal government have sent down to us in action, lifting off huge slabs and moving them away from the pile. secondly, i visited with the families again this morning, as did everybody probably standing here, and we heard from the israeli team that is here and one of the things i wanted to note was that the israeli commander told us that the teams

that are out there working are working fabulously together. there's a joint effort. there's a camaraderie, and everybody has the same goal, and that's to pull people out of there. he also added that the intensity and the numbers will continue to increase, which i was very interested to hear. thirdly, i want to make everybody aware that there has been some discussion about why this happened and that is, as the mayor said, mayor cava said and the governor, that's an issue for another day. right now we have two issues. number one is to pull our family and friends out of that rubble and unite them. number two is to support the families. but to the end, with respect to the information, we have directed our staff to go ahead and scan every shred of documentation that the town of surfside has, which includes

going to our archive storage sites. we're sending those boxes to a printing/scanning company and those documents will be available for your review. i know you've seen some documents already, and, again, i haven't had a chance to watch the news because we're sort of in the midst of this disaster, all of us. i don't know that anybody else has a chance to watch the news either. but i learn of stuff from you guys and i'm able to follow up on it. but most recent are a couple of disturbing comments that i saw regarding minutes, board minutes at the champlain south towers with respect to some of our officials in town. but be that as it may, we will get to the bottom of it. last comment i want to make is late last night i had tour -- and this is on the personal side. i had toured the site as i normally do, usually i'm there

three times a day, in the morning, afternoon and evening. and i came across a little girl. she was about 11 or 12 years old. and i had seen this little girl before, and i know because she was with her mom and we had talked. and she may have been with her dad. i'm not quite sure. but one of her parents was in that building at the time of the collapse, and the other parent lives a couple buildings away. and she told me she goes back and forth. when i came across her, she was sitting in a chair by herself with nobody around her looking at her phone. and i knelt down and asked her, what are you doing? are you okay? and she said yes, and what she was telling me, it was a jewish prayer. but she was reading a jewish prayer to herself, sitting at the site by where one of her parents presumably is.

and that really brought it home to me. and she was just -- she wasn't crying, she was just lost. she just didn't know what to do, what to say, who to talk to. i was looking for her this morning at the family meeting and i didn't see her. but i am going to find her and i am going to tell her that we're all here for her and we're going to do the best we can to bring out that parent. so, anyway, it's horrific. it's disturbing. but that is just a tiny, tiny example of the impact that this collapse has had on our community. thank you. >> now miami-dade commission chairman. >> mayor, that story is the story of so many that are in this situation right now.

the families we met with, the mayor and i this morning, the pain in their face, their expressions, it's not like anything i've seen before. it is very difficult to know that your loved one could still be alive and have the hope to believe that, and at the same time just sit there and wait for that information to get to you. that's got to be one of the most difficult things that anybody could endure. these people are doing it now, but the hope is there because the very best team in the world started early, because they are part of this community. and many have come to help, many more still could come as needed.

so this community is blessed, these people are blessed that we have the kind of people that know what they're doing, they're the very best at what they do, and they're doing it nonstop. rain, whatever comes in the way. they don't stop, they continue. so it is about them. that is who this is about. and we pray for them, we're constantly having hope, and we're begging god for that hope for them. and that, ladies and gentlemen, is what my colleagues and i have been doing here, making sure that whatever is needed on their behalf is done. our mission right here right now, is helping, but it will come later when we have to deal with the problems of how this happened and how we can make sure that this never happens

again. and that is where we're at at this point. [ speaking spanish ] [ speaking spanish ]

[ speaking spanish ] [ speaking spanish ] >> good day.

this is "andrew mitchell reports" in washington. we're starting with the building collapse in surfside, florida. this morning officials are more tragic news, the death toll from the condo collapse rises to ten people with 151 still missing. the mayor and first responders are providing an update on the search and recovery. the army corps of engineers joining the effort with a mission to get below the debris to find survivors. in 2018 the chief official told residents the building was in very good shape, according to notes obtained by the "miami herald." the fire chief is speaking. >> a very challenging and difficult situation, but we keep going. we're searching for any opportunity. >> thank you, chief.

just to recap from yesterday versus today and what we're looking for later on today. so as the operations continue, we have personnel utilizing bucket brigades, including heavy machinery to start moving some of the debris. this afternoon we'll be switching positions as a result that most of the individuals have come upon larger concrete areas that now require heavy machinery. during that process of the de-layering, we did find the tenth victim as the honorable mayor had mentioned. that person was processed and removed from the pile and operations continued. again, the operations continue in the search and rescue mode. there's a misunderstanding regarding that everyone believes that the search and rescue operation should cease after a specific time, and that's far from the truth. in the end, there's numerous variables and facts. it's not based on opinions, it's not based on time, it's not based on a specific area you

just happened to see on tv that went down. it's based upon variables and facts. in conjunction with that, we have to consider all options. then, and only then, you take all that information and we make a collective decision. but it's not going to be from an office, it's not going to be from a television, it's not going to be from an individual that's down the street. it's going to be me, collectively with the incident commander and from there on. thank you. >> thank you, assistant chief. miami-dade fire and rescue. [ speaking spanish ] nbc news correspondent

antonio hilton is in surfside and has been watching this along with us. antonio, you've been looking at some of the records and the fact that there were warnings in 2018, certainly, but still a dismissal of this to the residents, according to records, minutes they took from that meeting? >> reporter: absolutely. and there have been growing fears here over the last couple of days, and not only for folks who are connected to loved ones who lived in that south tower that came down, but for people who live in this general area. a couple blocks around where i am right now. just yesterday, i interviewed a woman who lives in a building right in front of the sister tower, constructed by the same architect, the same builders, who built the south tower that came down. and after this 2018 report, there are grave concerns that there may be structural damages at the other sites that these same builders worked on. take a listen to the conversation i had with this

resident, monica frankie. >> three identical towers, one next, they can collapse any minute because they don't even know what happened on this building, they don't know if it was a structural problem, if there was a mistake. you see the families of the victims crying in front of the building, it's never going to be the same. >> clearly there are concerns there. we're going to go back to listen to the fire chief. >> now, we have family members at the site to basically see exactly what we've done. this is unconventional, especially so early in the stages. however, as the individuals continue to work feverishly, with urgency, they witnessed a

rescuer tumble 25 feet down the mound. that is an example of the situation we're dealing with. it was witnessed by the family members themselves at the site. so, again, it's not an issue of if we could just attach a couple of cords to a concrete boulder and lift it and call it a day. we're digging through, again, rubble of concrete the size of basketballs, the size of baseballs, and then and only then, in combination with the safety of the personnel, and of course considering the victims themselves, it's going to take time. it's not going to happen overnight. it's a 12-story building. it's going to take some time. >> follow up with a part of the question having to do with what is discussed at the family briefs, that's what's discussed. the assistant chief has gone through in extreme detail the

map of the mound. it's marked out, the grids, explains exactly what's being done in each part of the grid. after all of the technical questions are answered, we talk about dna, we talk about how the dna match is going to be made. we talk about communicating with family members who will be the next of kin, how will they be contacted, who will be next to learn about it, how will it be opened up for public knowledge. and we talk about their questions about is enough being done, and they have seen firsthand what is being done and they see that everything has been done that can be done, and that they recognize the full danger that these first responders are exposing themselves to and what it has taken for them to get to this point. families, because of the process

we've gone through, are coming to their own conclusions. some are feeling more hopeful, some less hopeful, because we do not have definitive answers. we give them the facts. we take them to the site, we show them the operation, we show them where the pancake is, we show them where the tunnel is, we show them where the dogs are running up and identifying something that is then going to be explored. they have seen the operation, they understand now how it works, and they are preparing themselves for news one way or the other. >> is this an issue of dna or communicating with the families? >> so we tell you the difference. we tell you when a person is identified and we tell you when we can identify it to you, which is after the next of kin have been notified.

[ inaudible question ] >> this is for the police. they're handling the homicide investigation, so they can answer. >> in terms of the two unidentified -- what was your question? >> the question was on the unidentified victims, is it an issue of dna, which you don't have, or is it an issue that you haven't been able to communicate with the family? >> there's multiple variables when you're dealing with this. it depends on the condition of the family member that's recovered. we have crime scene and medical examiner personnel on scene with firefighters. when a family member is recovered, if it's possible we do a rapid dna test and it immediately goes to the lab and we expedite the component. once we have a positive match,

in a sensitive and personal manner, we make contact with the next of kin. if there's a component where we cannot get rapid dna, the medical examiner will collect the family member and that process will happen at the medical examiner's office. once the family member is identified, then that process will happen, we'll notify next of kin same way. we do it all with respect and integrity. it's very emotional. this whole process has been emotional. i think we're all family now. >> can you please talk about some of the facts and variables you're gathering and providing? >> one moment. let me just answer. what was that, ma'am? [ inaudible question ] >> that's why when we say we have lost ten and there's nine identified, that's because that process is going on.

when it comes to the part that it is a family member that we're unable to identify at that moment, the medical examiner will assist with that process. obviously, that will affect the members as we move along. that's why all these numbers we're giving are right now subject to change. we're dealing with a very terrible situation here. that's why we have to be very -- always keep mindful of our family members that are listening and watching right now. sir? fire chief, all right. >> can you please talk about some of the facts and variables you're gathering to maybe provide some hope? >> so in regards to some of the facts and variables that the operations, and every operational period that we hit upon, as we continue to delayer, just as we mentioned to the families at the assistance center, we have what we utilize called sonar, listening devices.

in addition to that, some of the facts -- or some of the variables are the sizes of the void spaces. there's certain areas that we have not gotten to, but we've been able to place cameras that seem to have large enough spaces, voids, that occupants may still be in there. again, it's in regards to the actual spaces. not to say that we've seen anybody down there, but we haven't gotten to the very bottom. in regards to the sound so there's no misunderstanding. it's not sounds of people talking or yelling out. as i've mentioned to the families, it could be a tap, it could be a scratch, it may be nothing more than some of the metal that's contorting. at the en, as i've said before, all variables and facts need to be made before we move to the next phase. it's not based on one section because it was completely destroyed. i have to look at the entire pile, 100% confirm in regards

that we need to go to the next phase. and, again, we mentioned the fact that we're not there yet. we're just not there yet. >> and so we've been listening to a briefing from all of the officials, all of the officials from the governor on down, the federal emergency officials, the fire and police and, of course, congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz and the sad news that there are now ten victims recovered and 151 still unaccounted for. joining us now amidst all of this terrible sadness, rachel sigel, whose mother is among the dozens still not accounted for and she's joined by her brother josh as well. thank you for being with us. tell us about your state of mind right now. obviously, terrible sadness. do you still have hope as they begin to get higher in the pile and begin to look through other

parts of this debris? >> first of all, i just want to tell you my mom really enjoys watching you and i know that's such a weird thing to say. >> i feel a connection to you. >> we feel a connection to you. and i wrote about it in my instagram and my facebook post, specifically about how my mom watches the "today" show every morning. she's just a religious nbc watcher in general. she watches the news every day. so, like, she refers to the team on the first name basis. but in terms of the search, i think that my family is just really scared because, like obviously it's day five. there's been no one that's rescued that's alive at this point. i mean, we're hoping and praying for a miracle and we are holding onto hope, because we really want to be reunited with my mom. and we were listening to the family conference earlier this

morning, and i'm very happy that the idf is here and the israeli team. i think they have a lot of expertise and they're saying everything in a logical way. they've mapped out all of the units, all of the lines of the apartment in the community center and the hotel that families are invited to be at. they plastered it on the wall so you can see it to scale and understand where the units are. but i think the fear here is they mentioned to us not that it was, but that it looked like an explosion. it didn't necessarily look like a building collapsed. it looks like an explosion. and that's scary. that's scary, because we're worried for our mom. >> of course, of course it is. tell me about -- josh, tell me about your mom and when you last

talked to her. >> that was the picture, the last picture was from -- my niece took that picture accidently on wednesday, that picture. >> i mean, what is there not to say about my mom? i've been going on all these interviews and posting things on social media, trying to express the type of person my mom is. and i don't think any of it even -- she is literally the best person in the world. she defines selflessness and everything was about other people and not about her. and she just showed us and taught us about kindness and giving to others. >> she didn't judge anyone. she only thought positively. she was the one that keeps everybody together.

my friend's mom told me the other day, my mom always wrote her on every single anniversary. she's like my own brother didn't write me on my anniversary. that's the person my mom is. she keeps track of everything. she's always reaching out. we have a shared love of broadway. we have a lot of special plans together. it's hard. >> and she's the type of person that will handwrite you a letter for everything. >> she writes us mother's day cards and says i'm so lucky that you're my kids and i'm a mom and i'm also lucky to have you. but, really, we're the ones that are so lucky and we're the ones that have won the lottery. she sends us a handwritten note every mother's day. >> and that, i think, really shows who she is and how amazing she is. >> and have you or your dad visited the site of the collapse? >> we've been every day. i mean, we spent a lot of time

in the press tent, we spent a lot of time walking around. we walked the boardwalk, so we saw it from behind. it's really horrifying. >> it's the worst thing you could ever see in your life. >> i know. i mean, i can just imagine. we're so sorry for the agony of what you're going through. >> hello? >> i'm sorry, i think we lost you for a moment. do we have you, rachel and josh? we just want to say thank you for visiting with us. >> are we with you again? >> yes, we are. >> can you hear us? >> we can and i just was thanking you both, if you can hear us, if you can hear me conveying our heartfelt thanks to you all for visiting with us today. we'll be back in touch with rachel and josh as well. i'm sorry about the way that

conversation abruptly ended. today back here in washington, the pentagon officials saying a series of air strikes hit storage facilities in syria and iraq. response to a recent wave of drone attacks from the malitia groups against american personnel. the second air strikes approved by president biden, and as the biden administration continues to make overtures to iran to resume nuclear negotiations. democrat senator jeanne shaheen serves on the services committees and is on top of all of this. based on the briefings you've received do you believe the strikes were justified? >> well, i haven't actually been briefed, congress -- or the senate is not in washington right now, and so all i have seen is what i've seen on the news, which suggests that the

president took defensive action in response to drone attacks against american personnel and equipment. and i think that's appropriate. we need to make very clear where our red lines are and we can't allow iranian-backed malitias and iran to continue to attack our personnel. >> the iraqi government has issued a strong denunsization saying it violates their sovereignty. they seem to be carefully balancing -- of course iran is right next door and iran is such a powerful force in much of iraq, the malitias as well. so we are now criticizing the u.s. >> well, two of the strikes, as you know, were in syria, one was in iraq. i am not surprised at that iraqi response, but the fact is if the iraqis are not able to control

those iranian-backed malitias and they have free reign to attack americans and other people in the region, then it needs to be clear that those kinds of attacks just are not acceptable. >> and how does the president balance the deterrence factor, what he needs to do, he feels he needs to do, you have said, in the ongoing situation with the iranian threat, the malitia threat, their proxy groups, plus his desire, clear desire to try to reestablish a connection with iran, especially with the new regime, and get the nuclear agreement back on track, given the very short timeframe, we've been told. their nuclear fuel development over the last year or two since they've broken out, following our getting out of the agreement under president trump. only months away from having

enough nuclear fuel for a weapon. >> it's not just the technical situation with building a nuclear weapon, it's also the political situation in iran where they have elected an even more extreme president with raisi, who is going to take office in august. so i think it's important for the president to continue to move forward to see if we can't make progress, because an iran with a nuclear weapon is much more dangerous to iraq, to the region, to the united states, to the world, than an iran without a nuclear weapon. so we need to continue to do everything possible to make progress. >> and, senator, let me ask you a quick question on infrastructure, because you've been part of the bipartisan group that has seen the president go back and forth the last few days. do you expect that this compromise will hold together, given his clarifying statement on saturday, an unusual statement, to say the least,

following his comments thursday, which the republicans certainly interpreted as a veto threat? >> well, i appreciated the president's clarification that he issued over the weekend. i think those of us who worked on this package very much appreciated his taking the time to try and make clear that he supports both packages and he hopes both will go forward, but that they are not linked. i think we have a long effort to get both the infrastructure package, which is the biggest infrastructure investment in this country's history, $579 billion over five years, to get that done in a way that provides much-needed investments in states like mine of new hampshire where we have roads and bridges that need to be done, water systems, broadband to every household. this is an important package and we need to do everything we can to encourage support for it and to try and keep it moving.

i think we will have obstacles. this was one of them over the weekend. but i think it's important for us to continue to move forward and point out why it's important to get this done. >> and you think it's important to get this done even if you don't get the second package, which is so important to many people in your party? >> well, i certainly support the second package, but we don't know what's in that yet. and that's one of the challenges. we know that the budget committee and the senate is working on a package, we've seen what senator sanders has issued. that hasn't gone through the budget committee yet. so we don't have a second package which includes what president biden has called the families plan that would invest in childcare and family medical leave and education and so many home and community-based services, so many of the things that we know we also need in this country. but i'm going to continue to work on that. i hope we can get that done. but i don't think that should stop an infrastructure package

that already has a framework that i hope can move forward. >> senator shaheen, thank you so much for the clarification on all of that. appreciate it. and let's turn to the supreme court. we have breaking news today on transgender rights. nbc justice correspondent pete williams joining me. this is concerning a hot button issue, gender identity and bathrooms in schools across the country. >> reporter: the supreme court today declined to take an appeal from the school board in gloucester county, virginia that said that students cannot use the bathrooms that match their gender identity. this has been going on for six years by a student after the school board adopted the policy and today the supreme court left lower court rulings intact. the lower court said that refusing to do this violates title 9, the federal law that says schools can't discriminate on the basis of sex in school programs. now, the obama administration had said that's what title 9

said, the trump administration said, oh, no, it isn't, and the biden administration said, oh, yes, it is. so the federal government's policy has changed here, but the lower courts have said it does discriminate. this is, i think, andrea, the third appeals court ruling to say this. the supreme court's action today of course doesn't say whether the court agreed or not with these lower court decisions. but it does leave them in place. it's not a nationwide policy. but now there are at least several areas in the u.s. where this is the law. and i think this transgender issue is going to be coming back to the court. we have cases in the lower courts now challenging school decisions on whether to allow transgender students to play on school sports teams. >> pete williams, thanks very much, as the supreme court gets closer to returning for the term. we'll have a lot more on the bipartisan negotiations for funding infrastructure. another leading senator who crafted the compromise, virginia's mike warner, will be

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$1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill appears to be back on track. we just heard senator shaheen, after the misstep by the president almost derailing the compromise bill. on thursday, president biden walked out of the white house pro claiming victory. >> we have a deal and i think it's really important, we've all agreed that none of us got all that we wanted. >> less than two hours later, an unforced error surprising lawmakers. the president saying he would not sign the deal without a much larger infrastructure bill, including a long list of social programs favored by progressive democrats. >> if this is the only thing that comes, i'm not signing it. it's in tandem. >> after that there was a flurry of calls to stop republicans

from defecting. the president issued a highly unusual statement saturday, walking it all back, saying that statement understandably upset some republicans who do not see the two plans as linked. my comments also created the impression that i was issuing a veto threat on the very plan i had just agreed to, which was certainly not my intent. for now, moderate republicans say they are reassured by the president's commitment to the plan. joining us, democratic senator mark warner, who serves on the budget committee. he was part of the bipartisan negotiating team on the infrastructure deal. senator, thank you very much. does that capture what happened from your understanding? you must have been part of some of those calls on friday putting it all back together. >> there were a lot of calls on friday. i can assure you. but i've been through this a few times, i think about many of us in this same group where we kind of built trust, were involved in the last covid package in the

november/december timeframe. none of these things ever seem to go in a straight line. there are always bumps. and i think that got worked through and echoing what my good friend jeanne shaheen said earlier, and i say this to my democratic friends, there is so much in this infrastructure bill to like. not just roads and bridges and water and suer and broadband, but there's over 1 $100 billion in clean energy related items, things like capping abandoned wells that leak methane, things like electric vehicle infrastructure, things like trying to make sure there's going to be electric school buses across the world over the next five years, will they be built in china or will they be built in the united states. resiliency, coastal areas across america, in my state, hampton roads, huge, huge challenges with sea level rise. enormous dollars put to use.

and even when the numbers are all added up, what are not included, and this was one of the areas that kind of threw us off track for a couple of days, we have what's in effect an infrastructure bank that will generate about $200 billion of additional infrastructure spending because it's leveraged spending. we didn't know how to categorize it so we didn't include it in terms of the top line number, but that will add to more infrastructure as well around the country. >> were you surprised by the president saying that he was not going to sign the compromise bill unless he had the reconciliation bill of the larger family program as well? >> we've all known that there was going to be a two-track process. i've been spending virtually every waking hour working with my republican friends on this infrastructure package, but i also happen to be the only of the so-called moderates that sits on the budget committee. so now i've got to roll up my

sleeves and work with friends like bernie sanders and say, okay, what are the areas that didn't get covered, especially around human infrastructure, or around even moving further on taking a once in a generation opportunity to address climate change, how do we actually go at a tax code that will be fair? remember, on the infrastructure bill it was made more difficult because the republicans said no tax increases, president biden said no user fees, things like gas taxes or some minimum fee on electric vehicles. so that made the paperwork a little more challenging. on this next bill, the reconciliation bill, and i say this as somebody who has spent longer in business than i have in government, it is just not fair, our current tax code, that allows american corporations to be 35 out of 35 industrial nations in terms of the percent of revenues they pay in to funding the federal government, compared to all of our

industrial competitors. there's a way we can make that tax code fairer, not make american taxes, american business taxes the highest by any means, but put us back kind of more in the middle of the pack that will allow us to generate revenues to pay for some of these items that didn't get included in the infrastructure bill. >> how are you reading what senator mcconnell said today? he seemed to be signaling support and certainly senator cassidy was saying the bottom line would be that senator mcconnell will go for this. are you reading him as supporting it or simply not saying this is an issue, party line issue, new republicans who might be wavering, come on back and let's a pose the agenda? >> this isn't our first rodeo for either one of us. we've never seen any of these go from point a to point b to point c without hiccups, bumps. there will be more twists and turns.

but this infrastructure bill, which is going to be so broadly popular, this is the one area where americans of all political persuasions agree. i think we've come together, and as senator shaheen said, this is the largest infrastructure funding bill in our country's history and it will be spent out over the next five plus years. i don't think it will have the kind of inflationary pressures because we didn't get into this problem overnight, we're not going to get out of this problem overnight. but this will give us the sustainable at least five to eight-year funding stream that we need to make sure that, quite honestly, when we fly into america's airports, when we drive on our highways, when we think about the connectivity of broadband, that we once again become the world leader. because in many of these areas it feels like we've almost become a third-world nation in terms of the quality of some of the disrepair in our infrastructure. >> do you have any worries that the speaker is going to have

trouble on the house side? she has very thin margins and there's a lot of pressure for doing the bigger bill, literally, in tandem. >> well, the speaker does have thin margins. i would never underestimate nancy pelosi's ability to get things done. she has proven that time and again. and there's a balancing act. she has the challenge of the progressive wing, but there's also the problem solvers in the house, i believe 66 members, half of them democrats, who are very much more in the moderate camp. i think at the end of the day we get this infrastructure bill through the process and remember the reconciliation. the first step on that is getting a budget resolution passed. that doesn't mean we're there, but it does give some of the top lines. i'm committed to working with senator sanders and others on the committee to try to work through that process, hopefully

in the month of july, at least at the committee level, so that we can give that kind of assurance to colleagues that, hey, we're going to get a couple packages done. they may not be as -- they may not have everything that senator sanders wanted. on the other hand, we didn't get everything we wanted as democrats in the infrastructure bill. that's the nature of compromise. but we've already seen president biden deal with the american rescue plan back in march, historic legislation, we've got a historic infrastructure bill. we've got a very, very aggressive plan around both taxes and some of this human infrastructure that's not been dealt with. i give joe biden pretty darn good marks for the first six months of his administration. >> okay, senator warner, and i know you felt inspired, really, after attending the funeral service of your colleague and friend, republican john warner, no relative, but a good friend. and that got you over the finish

line late wednesday. >> it really did, andrea. this was -- john was a great statesman and virginiaen. the fact that so many of us were at the funeral and there were moments where i thought i was going to pull my hair out and say we're not going to get there. but i remembered the mantra that has served me well in my political career, what would john warner have done? he would have hung in. i hung in and a couple hours later we had a deal. >> thank you so much. thank you for that memory. senator mark warner. and joining us now from nbc's capitol hill correspondent, garrett haake. is this thing hanging together today? it seems to be from the two senators we talked to. >> reporter: today it is. andrea, there is a long, long way to go until either one of these bills can get to the president's desk and become law. and i think that's the challenge here, trying to keep the democratic caucus together is

only, frankly, the easiest piece of this puzzle, trying to make sure the republicans necessary on the bipartisan bill hang together and trying to avoid anything that can derail a presidential agenda item that depends on every single congressional democrat voting together, and every single congressional democrat staying focused on this through september is incredibly challenging task. but today, one monday into the discussions since they've reached this deal, it's still on track. >> exactly. and, dan, you wrote about the long road ahead. they have to start having votes in september. at the same time as they do have to start the process for reconciliation, which is a different process for that other bill that a lot of republicans are going to oppose. >> yes, the procedural issues are significant, as garrett indicated. but the substantive issues are also very, very difficult at this point. the gap between where senator

sanders is and senator warner or joe manchin is on the second package that will ultimately vote through to reconciliation is probably several trillion dollars. so all of the negotiations that took place to get the infrastructure package put together between republicans and democrats, democrats are now going to have to go through that same process among themselves to try to get the second piece of it. and as garrett indicated, they don't have votes to spare. obviously they have no votes to spare in the senate and they have a handful of votes, at most, that they could give up, a couple of votes in the house. and speaker pelosi becomes very, very pivotal, ultimately, in this, and how she manages that in her caucus, which she's demonstrated that she has the capacity to do from her past experience, but this will be yet one more huge challenge for her. >> and, dan, in the way this

whole thing was put together and then the fix with getting the president to issue an extraordinary statement, steve ricchetti and others on the hill, i haven't seen anything like that in a long time. >> i agree with you. i was quite struck by how significantly he walked that back. sometimes they try to fudge those kinds of things. in this case there was no fudging. but he was under tremendous pressure from the republicans in the negotiating team to do that. on friday, as senator warner indicated, there were a series of phone calls back and forth and the white house was reaching out in an attempt to suggest it wasn't as bad as it was. and i think some democrats thought, well, maybe it isn't as bad as it seems. but republicans were dug in and on saturday they were demanding much more than they had gotten, just in terms of the reassurance

policy. they wanted a real walk-back, and ultimately the president did that, but out of necessity. what he did on thursday caused a huge disruption and republicans were caught completely unaware of this. this was something that had never been discussed in the meetings, in this was never discussed in any meeting with the president according to people that i talked to. so this went off of the rails very quickly. i talked to senator warner on friday morning, and he said that, you know, the investigation was good throughout. >> wow. dan, your reporting has been so great, and garrett haake, every step of the way. time is running out for the trump organization to respond to prosecutors in new york. former president trump's company facing a deadline today to make their cay why the company should not face criminal charges nap deadline is a strong signal that charges against the company could be imminent.

in the case of trump attorneys is tied to tax related conduct. one attorney telling nbc news it looks like they will come down with charges against the company and that is completely outrageous. joining us now the washington post phil rutger, author of "i alone can fix it." can't wait for that. and dan goldman, former house impeachment inquiry majority council. let me go over the legal aspects, first. explain to us, is this all about the cfo of the trump organization and is he the one being targeted? he and the company? and secondary i'm wondering who else could be indicted.

>> it is preferable to indict individuals rather than a company. first it is clear that allen weisselberg will not cooperate with the manhattan das office. they likely had multiple conversations with attorneys and said to them "he should cooperate because we're going to charge him otherwise with x, y, z. we don't know yet what that is. there has been reporting about it, but my guess is that the reporting is not fullsome and complete. because he is not cooperating i don't personally believe there is not a case to be made against donald trump. so you need a witness to testify that donald trump knew about all of the misrepresentations likely

to be charged. as a back up measure, the d.a.'s office is targeting the organization that donald trump runs. it's a fall back measure, but it could have devastating consequences including potential bankruptcy. most banks have policies and regulations that prevent them from doing business with criminally convicted businesses. many banks are going to be inclined to shy away. if they call their loans out to the trump organization there is no way the trump organization can pay all of the loans and that will send them into bankruptcy. so if they can't get to trump himself, what they're trying to do as effectively hinder, hamper, and potentially eliminate or eradicate the trump

organization, the company that he runs. >> and phil, how close is this likely to get to the president himself and the family. >> it is a family run business. the truthful answer to your question is we simply don't know at this point. there is no indication in the reporting nor what the various attorneys involved have said publicly that the former president is about to be charged or members of his family rather, it looks like, potentially weisselberg and the company itself. there is a great deal of concern in the trump family and his political orbit about what his next steps may be. charges against the trump organization as daniel just explained could be devastating to the company that is being run by the former president and his two adult sons. don junior, and eric. a lot of the family income, the

money can w which they run their live comes from the golf courses and the apartment buildings and more. this is all in jeopardy if the company was to go bankrupt, not to mention the political damage it could cause for trump that has been held up among his supporters as a beacon of making money and successful businessman all of a sudden again. it could potential i will be bankrupt. >> and daniel, just finally how important is weisselberg's testimony to any case? >> i think is testimony, because it is a small company and he is the one who really handles all of the accounting, the detailed financing, he is really the only that one is positioned to be able to receive against his superiors. including the former president,

eric trump, and ivanka trumpwho was there for a long time. it's very small to weisselberg is the guy that they need as a cooperating witness that can testify in order to charge additional people above him. it may be the case that there are others underneath allen weisselberg that were involved in this and charged. there was rumors his son may be charged, but we don't know all of the details. i caution all of the viewers not to take everything that you're reading in the reporting to be the full story. i think there is more that will be revealed, this week, if there is an indictment. >> thanks so much, invaluable insights from daniel goldman and phil rutger. follow us online on facebook and twitter. kaci hunt is up next with "mtp

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