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if it is monday, desperate search and rescue efforts continue in the beach community in florida where the condo collapsed. and booid season working to keep a infrastructure deal in tact as they ramp up pressure on democrats in congress to do more. later, growing concerns over
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rising cases of the delta variant including among the vaccinated. countries like austral are posing new restrictions. welcome to monday, it is "meet the press daily." we have quite a few developments here in washington, but we begin with the latest out of surfside, florida, the death toll from that tragic condo collapse is now up to ten. they have recovered another body and that 151 people remain unaccountanted for. not a single survivor has been pulled from the rubble since thursday morning when the tower first collapsed. still in the last hour the mayor
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said the search for survivors will not stop. >> we're exploring all possible avenues that they identify. and we're going to continue and work ceaselessly to use every possible option in our search. i repeat the search and rescue operation continues. there will be a thorough and full investigation of what lead to this tragic event. we are going to get to the bottom of what happened here. >>investigators are beginning a full investigation of the collapse. neighbors near by are offering a voluntary evacuation. we're told that initial inspection found nothing of immediate concern. back in washington the white house continues to offer support. president biden says he spoke with the chief of fema and he said what he heard from her was
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excrucia excruciating. . what caused this tragedy repains a mystery. newly released documents shows a inspection of the property warned of major structural damage to the building. there is now reports that another inspection turned up nothing with cause for major alarm. officials are trying to gram of cocainele -- trying to grapple with the scope of the tragedy. we have more on the rescue. we have dave downey joining us, the former miami-dade fire chief and now he is the head of the disaster respond plans in
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miami-dade. what is the l antonia? >> i'm struck by the level of complication and the dangerousness that the first responders and rescue teams have been facing here. the heaviness of the concrete, the sheet rock that is shifting. fires that have blinded some of the workers. they had to construct a 125 foot long trench to make more efficient access through the rubble. bringing more closure to the families. i'm also struck by the fact that we have recovered one more body. still 151 people are unaccounted for. this is has just been agonizing and fear in this neighborhood has been spreading, fueled by that 2018 report as people that
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live in the sister tower, the north tower, a short way down the block they worry is my home unsafe too? seeing that report, news of structural damage and areas like the parking garage and the pool deck has them worried in the very similar building the same could be the case for them. i spoke with a woman that lives in a building in front of that north tower. she says she will move out for several weeks. she is traumatized by what occurred here and she told me she doesn't feel safe living here. kaci? >> what are officials saying about the efforts to find people in the rubble. are they giving people a reason for home that that is still a possibility? >> they said the families and the rescue teams are holding out hope. they keep repeating that the
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search and rescue is their top priority. people are working for something like 100 hours straight on this. and these teams have dedicated constant time and extreme energy and again been in these dangerous conditions trying to get answers for these families. so while they understand for people this may seem like it is a slow moving process, they're trying to do this as safely as possible and people need to understand that the debris here, just the level of danger and the constantly shifting conditions have complicated all of this. they're working around the clock to try to get the families answers and to try to identify bodies and bring families close sure. >> so david downy, they mentioned the unbelievably difficult circumstances that these teams are working. this is the kind of operation that you work to plan for. can you tell us about what
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they're worried about right now, what options are still on the table as they dig through the rubble? >> thank you for having me, kaci. the teams are still working in rescue mode and they're hoping to find survivors. we're trying to delayer the building with surgical precision to remove a slab to try to uncover the personal for a void space where a survivor could be. it is very shroud and deliberate and methodical. we can't come in there with just big cranes and tear it all apart. we're still hoping that there are still survivors in there. the rescuers are maintaining home, you see them come off of the shift at 12 noon, they have been working for 12 hour and they're exhausted. i talked to my guys last night,
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they had time to relax and get food in them and they said we're yeahy to go back in, chief. >> so many families are just so incredibly grateful for you, and for those men. we talked about a trench that was dug to try to assist in locating people. we had dogs and sonar devices, can you help us understand better how those devices are used and weather -- how they have helped you so far? >> sure, so in our process we grid off the building. we will run our search k-9s that are trained to find live
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victims, even buried under floors and floors of rubble. if they show any interest or alert we can bring in specialists with fiberoptic cameras that can go into small voids, or listening devices that can listen to something as faint as a breath 12 floors down. so they contained the fire, and it is out. so now we utilized the trench area to work laterally into the pile. all you see on the tv is everybody on top. but we have rescuers trying to work from the side and in some cases underneath to try and get into any void spaces. >> sir, i know you have been involved in some difficult decisions in terms of these types of tragedies before especially shifting from rescue to recovery operation.
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what are you using to make a decision in this case? >> ultimately the leader of miami-dade county. i provide the information. we look at the type of collapse, the internal environment, the heat, humidity, the tire, and the presence or absence of void spaces. so we try to look at all of that to try to put together a package to make an educated decision and based on the probability. >> let me go to you to talk more about how this happened in the first place. fears of residents of another related tower complex that there might be problems that caused
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this. we know some things from this report, what do you think is the chief cause of this problem and what would you be looking for in the other building to see if there was similar risks in that one? >> sure, well, the first time i addressed that, miami is truly considered best in the world. they're the best equipped and the best trained unit out there. they go all over the world. i know they do their best to rescue people. now, a question about the 2018
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report. so 2018 report is done by a structural engineer. it was a very credible and detailed report. going through the whole building, investigating what they saw up there. so essentially they are discovering what is the determination. these things, actually, it seems kind of harmless maybe, but it is actually really important. this building is a 12 story high-rise, a very heavy concrete structure sitting on top of pillars, or columns we call them. and if those things are deteriorated, if those reinforcements have rust through, it is very dangerous. even a deck, the pool deck, attached to those columns, they
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will cause instability in the column itself, too. it is definitely a big concern. now, i remind you that this type of collapse is extremely rare, you know? i have seen thousands of buildings collapsed and damaged, but that is caused by earthquakes. if there is a tremor they still most likely don't collapse. so there is simultaneously reasons for the recent collapse. such as, i don't know exactly what happened with construction in 1981, but the components, how was the maintenance. things like that. but i think people should not panic about that. i think if you don't sigh any rust or cracks in your walls or
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anywhere, then usually the building is considered to be well maintaied and safe. but if you start seeing cracks -- >> would you -- would you feel safe in the sister building complex. there is suggestions from officials that they would not feel safe, how do you feel about that question? >> my understanding is that the structural engineers went through the building and they did not see any damage to the concrete or the rebar. and usually, that does not pose any life or safety issues. this building collapsed for many issues probably. usually if this happens, it is multiple layers of the so-called
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events that caused a collapse like that. i think if you see anything, any cracks or anything like that, any rust, have the engineers look at that. i think that is one of the most important things. if they say there is no cracks or rust, and it looks fines, that means they're fine. that's a really important part. >> thank you to our guests, we appreciate all of your time and david, in particular, give our thanks to all of the first responders risking their lives who are trying to find these missing loved ones. coming up, we're going to turn to the big political story in washington as republicans threat ton derail a structure deal and mitch mcconnell urged
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welcome back the bipartisan infrastructure deal appears to be back on track today. here we are in another infrastructure week. they are clarifying the infrastructure did is not linked to the other bill they're working to pass along party lines. biden stated my cents created the impression they was issuing a veto threat on the very plan that i just agreed to which was not my intent. senate republicans that negotiated the deal said they're satisfied. >> i was glad to see him clarify
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his remarks. >> i think the waters have been calmed by what he said on saturday. >> i hope it is enough. >> sahil kapur is at capital. let me start here as we were talking about earlier in the day today, this was a bit of an unforced error from the white house. everything was on track, everybody knew what was going on, this was not a big secret, but there is a big difference between knowing something in the background and throwing it out there right into the middle of all of the headlines. walk us through how this happened, and what the plan is for them to try to keep this on track going forward. >> kaci i think the lesson that the white house learned is to try to keep the former senator from delaware from speaking
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senate speak as much at possible. keep the focus on big speech ideas. the president's comments created a misconception about how far he is willing to go. but if you want to understand the bind that the white house is in and what leads to unforced errors like we just heard you can probably hear it behind me there there is a significant rally going on by the sunrise movement. they're focused on climate, they're here to make it clear to the white house they don't want the smaller bipartisan infrastructure deal to come at the expense of climate things he
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put forward during the campaign. so every time they make sure the moderates or the progressives end up feeling like they're getting burned here. so this is a white house that first and fore most has to ask for patience more than anything. i keep thinking of one line the president uttered in the east room. he said he knows the party has their differences but he also believes they're rational. and the president is also saying trust the process here. we're going to get a lot of what we want and we have to just stick to the process here. >> we have been talking about the august recess. part of me wonders that perhaps the recess we wanted to talk about is that they want to take over for christmas. you pointed out earlier today there was a statement from mitch
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mcconnell essentially trying to exploit this division here, but you pointed to some comments that mcconnell made where he acknowledged that these two things were going to move on two tracks. that didn't mean that there was not good tron do a bipartisan negotiation. so walk us through what he is doing here and if this is going to actually pass through the senate. >> that's right. senator mcconnell knew the separate reconciliation bill was coming. they expected democrats to send that bill to pass that. what mcconnell is trying to do is capitalize on president biden's miss step. trying to get him to extend that
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remark that he made to demand that they do that as well. that appears highly unlikely. democrats don't seem to have the votes unless they give ironclad assureses that it won't get in the way here. it is not necessarily the case that they need his vote to pass this. there is a road to republicans, if he tells his members i'm not going to vote for this, but you vote how you please, then there is a path to ten but you and i know a few things about congressmen. he doesn't like to give victories to democratic presidents. that is really where they need to get mcconnell here to a place where he doesn't staunchly oppose this view. and he has some interparty
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politics of his own to think about. they want to do things and not just block things and that's the negotiabling group. grur is ground zero. it is a low salience issue, and it's not likely to generate blow back from the right like gun control or voting rights would do. but mcconnell trying to do what which he about this misstep. >> it's a good point, and let's be real, too, he is beginning or keeping the majority on the situation. i think that is part of the calculus, too. do they need a little political help by signing on to something like this. talk about what things like lig for progressives going forward. i know he has been the person working behind the scenes to keep progressives happy. they are about to enter this
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season. he wants five or six trillion in this bill and it will be back down to manchin and sinema. how do they thread that needle? >> what the white house needs to do is go back to when nominee joe biden built a coalition with forces like bernie sanders. they need some unity talks consistently. bernie showed he is good at building political infrastructure. but at the end of the day bernie showed himself to be fairly pragmatic on getting enough of what he wants over the finish
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line. so the white house needs to keep the focus on what is on the outside noise and not shape too much inside of the hill. it is ultimately only as big as what joe manchin is willing to be the 50th vote for, so they're making sure that sanders and manchin can agree on in the next few months. >> and in the middle is chuck schumer. thank you both very much for your reporting today, we appreciate it. coming up, progressives are rallying calling for president biden to combat climb change. i'm going to talk to one of the
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president should be limited by republicans particularly when we have a house majority, we have 50 democratic senators, and we have the white house. >>. >> welcome back that was alexandria ocasio-cortez. underlining the importance of a sweeping infrastructure package. they are working on a package and hoping it doesn't come to fruition. joining me now, congressman jammal bowman of new york. he just spoke at the rally outside of the white house. congressman you were pretty fired up at this rally and we could hear those people chanting behind mike memoli on the scene. you used the f-word a few times so i can't play what you had to say but they were pretty strong fighting words saying things
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like the new package didn't help communities like yours. do you think right now with this deal that president biden sold out your communities and others on the streets right now? there was a bipartisan bill that would be coupled with a reconciliation aspect. so the negotiations are fine but we cannot forget our racial equities, and districts like min that i represent them, like the bronx. disinvestment has been going on for deckaids where children are
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living with led paint, and districts like mine were hit so hard by covid because of the pre-existing conditions and the core morbidities that were invested. so this is the moment to go big care. it was the time to go big on housing infrastructure. african-american communities were redlined and did not benefit from much of the housing investment that took place during the new deal and this is the time to go big on climate. we're going to see famine and mass migration. >> we saw the comments on
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thursday, he said i don't have to agree to this, and then he had to turn around and take that back on saturday to try to salvage that deal saying no, you know if i get this on it's own i intend to be supportive of it. now we have this crowd outside of the white house, and we can show you one of the signs, saying joe biden is a kou argue. all of that and how that played out, do you agree with what these signs say in. >> no, i don't agree with that. the president has been working with the congressional progressive caucus even during his campaign and he came forth with the most prokbreszive democratic platform in our country's history arguably. since he has been in office he
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as met consistently with the caucus and myself and other members of the kwauz to have these discussions. he wants to balance his relationship with republicans and progressives which is what a president is supposed to do. however i also want to say that progressives organize across the country and they're trying to make georgia blue which gave us control of the white house, the senate, and the house of representatives. so now that we have that control we have to support the american people.
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they support infrastructure, the $15 minimum wage, and it continues to show they're more invested in their corporate backers and interests as opposed to the working class people. >> so how, what is the right size for the reconciliation badge? we were juk tausing and i have a colleague that says it's only as big as what joe manchin will vote for. nancy pelosi, will need every person a substantial amount of power here bhap is the right top line price tag for the reconciliation packages, is $6 trillion too many trillions? >> no, but let my say this, i believe that we need a federal jobs guarantee to get us out of this climate crisis. i believe we need a civilian
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climate crisis and we have to get to net zero emissions. so whatever number that is to get us to a federal jobs guarantee an to meet the demands of climate change, and also dealing with climate change, the gi bill, and a homestead act, communities of color and poor communities have been historically left out of the conversations. this is snufl. if we bring everyone in and make it a true casual and economic justice focus. we will continue to be one of the most powerful in the world. and we have seen wealth
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concentrated in the majority of the few and the rest of us continue to struggle economically. >> if it is not big enough, will you consider voting for it? >> yeah, i will not be voting for it. >> all right, jammal bowman, thank you for joining us, we appreciate the conversation. thank you for having me. >> coming up, record shattering hit. causing olympic trials to be postponed. and it is only june. s only june. removes 99.9% of the virus that causes covid-19 from treated air. so you can breathe easier, knowing that you and your family have added protection. ♪ ♪
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welcome back, millions of americans on both coasts are under heath advisories right
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now. the temperatures are extremely high triple digits. the temperature in portland, oregon got 112 degrees breaking the record that the city hit just one day earlier. seattle's airport shattered the previous temperature by a whopping 12 agrees. it got so hot in eugene, oregon that the track and field olympic trials were delayed until the track could cool down bhap is the latest there? we're marveling at the fact that you're wearing long sleeves. >> kaci, i am wearing long sleeves, this shirt works, and we're in the shade. they are trying to escape the heat however they can.
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some people went to the beaches. some to the lake. others going to businesses that have air-conditioning. malls and theaters are no longer under the covid capacity regulations because they waned people to be able to escape with very good air-conditioning. others have checked into hotels. last night you could not find a room because of the number of people that decided to check into the hotels. we're located right in front of one of the may museums and we have seen noum rouse families get out of their cars with lots of gids going into the museum. anywhere with good air-conditions is attracting the people, like those on the streets, they have been taking to cooling centers. this is being treated like a know day but quite the opposite. everyone is focusing on the bad
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weather before they go back to normal. also the train that we know goes through the city shutting down as well because of the heat. >> just unbelievable. stay safe out there, thank you very much for your reporting. coming up next, delta variant coronavirus cases are spreading here and around the world as fully vaccinated adults are getting infected. how worried should we be? that is next. s next [swords clashing] - had enough? - no... arthritis. here. new aspercreme arthritis. full prescription-strength? reduces inflammation? thank the gods. don't thank them too soon. kick pain in the aspercreme.
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welcome back, there is growing concern here at home and around the world on places that made significant progress fighting the coronavirus that they could be going in the wrong direction at the delta variant spreads. the u.k. deemed the delta virus very high risk. and doctors are dealing with what they call the most dangerous period since the start of the pandemic. israel just reimposed an indoor mask mandate because of a surge in cases. i'm joined now in tel aviv. an nbc news contributor. i think this concerned a lot of people here in the u.s. new mandates and rules based on
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a spread in a population with a very high vaccinate rate. >> yeah, you're seeing about 200 new cases every day. these are people fully fully vaccinated and go on to get infected with the virus. that sounds alarming with someone who has had two doses of pfizer which is what they are using here in israel to go on the test positive, but remember that the pfizer vaccine is 90% effective at stopping the infection, and that is a great number, but it is not 100%, so we have always known that it was going to happen, that there would be some people fully vaccinated who would still go on to get infected, and the reason that authorities here in israel are calm and cautious and not panicking about it is the number of people who are getting very, very sick is very low. across all of israel, there are 23 people right now in hospital
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with severe covid, and that is an indication that the vaccines are working. i spoke earlier to dr. yale reichenberg, and this is what she had to say about this. >> the patients who are vaccinated and get ill again, the illness is either asymptomatic or very, very mild, and so that is very optimistic for us, and we see that the delta variant is covered for the immunization, and about 80 or 85% are covered, and we are going to be monitoring the situation on the daily basis. >> kasie, you heard it there, the doctor is calm, but not complacent, and the israeli authorities are monitoring the rising numbers and as you said friday, they imposed a nationwide indoor mask mandate and postponed the plans to let fully vaccinated tourists back into israel for the first time in over a year, but the so-called corona cabinet of the
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new israeli cabinet met sunday and that is as far as they feel they need to go right now in terms of the restrictions and no talk right now of imposing the new lockdowns or anything like that. kasie. >> all right. raf sanchez in tel aviv, thank you for that. and dr. bedelia, let's talk about the lessons is learning from israelis that could apply here in the united states where of course we have inequality in terms of the vaccination rates in terms of region, and where people live, and what is standing out to you in terms of the reporting that raf had and what is happening with the breakthrough cases. >> well, kasie, what raf says is exactly right. no vaccine is 100%, and where you are seeing the delta variant taking hold and the vaccination rates are low, and in continent africa it is low, and the
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vaccination rates are high, and so in may, 99% of the people who died of covid in this country were unvaccinated. only one percent of the deaths were those who were unvaccinated, and they could not mount the same immune response, and the other number striking is that there was a report of the new york times that said in communities of the u.s. that there is a difference that you are talking about the inequity in vaccinations that where the numbers are right there, and what that is telling me is that communities that are less than 30% vaccinated and 2 1/2 times rater a high rates of the covid infections of communities 60% vaccinated and so when you vaccinated, you are protected from death and hospitalizations, but your communities are less likely to see the surges, and that is why it is so emergent for us to make sure that we are in the u.s., and we won't let that delta variant take a foothold particularly before the fall when the schools are opening up again, and the
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weather is getting colder. >> yeah, but i think that is the big question that a lot of us, and especially people who have kids or others who cannot get vaccinated in their lives or people who are immunocompromised or get the shot, and what stood out to me is that israel is reimposing the indoor mask mandate, because of so many people who are vaccinated and what should that say about the precautions in our own lives and do we need to take different precautions where the rates are lower where they are higher? >> i think that there is an ongoing debate where we are at the ongoing majority that are vaccinated in most of the country, and in some counties you are seeing the low vaccination rates, and the decision of being more careful depends on two thing, and one is the medical conditions, and where people have medical
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conditions that are not working as effective as others and as a people who have a high immune system, and children are exposed and you make a decision based on what your life is going to be potentially getting sick as the virus is going to be exposed after vaccination or if you are a child, and on the other hand, it is a risk, and i want to stress that israel is taking a cautious approach, and it is going to matter less when everybody else around you is vaccinated and it is a little bit more worrisome when people are not vaccinate and the pockets of people who are still vulnerable, and it is higher risk for them to take an activity, and yes, in an area, you will see more of the delta variants, and particularly if you are somebody who has the potential to not have the same response of the vaccine, and the conditions that affect your immunity, and you should be more careful and consider wearing a mask, but for everybody else, if you have a healthy immune system, you are likely to be
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protected, and even as you heard the doctor say from israel, it is mild or asymptomatic disease. >> and very briefly, does it matter which vaccine you receive and substantial difference between them? >> so, to here is where there is a concern and a conversation about this, and what we have seen is that even the data that has been from astrazeneca which is the similar technology to johnson & johnson and moderna and pfizer. and the data seems very good for the severe disease and hospitalizations, but we know that with the johnson & johnson, the moderate to mild to moderate infections, and the overall effectiveness was 66% in the trial, and so if you have the johnson & johnson, don't worry, because you are still protected from the severe disease and hospitalizations is, but there is ongoing conversation of the the people had johnson & johnson, and to get a booster sooner than later to make sure that the protection is higher. that is what we are waiting for
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the science to come through in, and johnson & johnson is conducting a trial on that as well. >> something to keep an eye on there. thank you, dr. bedelia, for being on with us. and chuck will be back on tomorrow with more "meet the press daily" and don't go anywhere, because we will have more coverage with geoff bennett right after the break. right after the break. could affect your portfolio, you can act quickly. that's decision tech, only from fidelity. ♪ ♪ we made usaa insurance for veterans like martin. when a hailstorm hit,
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it is good to be with you. i'm geoff bennett and as we come on the air, it is 4 1/2 days since the south florida condo tower collapsed on people sleeping soundly in their beds. it is one of the most shocking building disasters that this country has ever seen short of a earthquake or terrorist attack. at the scene, they are holding out hope for a miracle, and it is almost as if the zen stages of grief are colliding all at once as the hours tick by, and the death toll rises and

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